Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Ricochet]

Dude what's this papryco bidness about I want to be in on your joke

WHAAT

[MacDougall]

U just started talking about papryco and I don't know the history of papryco... can you present it to me in interpretive dance plz?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mafia is such a goofy game sometimes. Last time I was the one pooh-poohing a Tranq lynch and now I'm ready to take the plunge -- but the clamoring for his demise seems to have stalled.

JJJ, what is the purpose of stating this? do the cheers for Tranq's death affect you?

There is no purpose. It's just me making an observation with an incredulous look on my face.

[DrWilgy]

@Mac

[Dom]

So Dom asks JJJ to vote MM and votes himself MM, to "ensure" he is now 4 votes or more away from "dying". Because that's what happens when you're behind less than 4 votes to a player. You are in danger of dying.

Nah, this whole mess must be Tranq's ass being saved once again.

Then why was I the first to vote Tranquil until I took votes?

I'm gonna do my best to keep checking in.


Also I'm gonna switch back to Tranq

[MacDougall]

@Mac

Ah I thought it was familiar. I saw a random Undertale Wrestling video a few weeks ago. Thanks.

[Ricochet]

So Dom asks JJJ to vote MM and votes himself MM, to "ensure" he is now 4 votes or more away from "dying". Because that's what happens when you're behind less than 4 votes to a player. You are in danger of dying.

Nah, this whole mess must be Tranq's ass being saved once again.

Then why was I the first to vote Tranquil until I took votes?

I'm gonna do my best to keep checking in.

Also I'm gonna switch back to Tranq

If not you, others.

[Ricochet]

@Mac

Ahuhuhuhuhuhuhu~

[juliets]

I think MM would be a bad lynch and I recommend people move to Tranq. I think a few of them are locked in though due to time constraints, at least Dom and FZ.

I think your forced question was a good one and I guess I have to say I don't think MM is lying about being an indy. That puts me looking for somewhere to vote. I'm unsure about Tranq because I have seen him not talk very much and be a civ. LC I think it was has seen just the opposite - when he's quiet he's bad. I'm basing my thoughts on one game AWR and I'm assuming LC is basing what he said on behavior over several games. So, I'm not super confident about this vote but I lean bad on Tranq and can't leave my vote on Metalmarsh at this point.

lots of linkies

[DrWilgy]

Mafia is such a goofy game sometimes. Last time I was the one pooh-poohing a Tranq lynch and now I'm ready to take the plunge -- but the clamoring for his demise seems to have stalled.

JJJ, what is the purpose of stating this? do the cheers for Tranq's death affect you?

There is no purpose. It's just me making an observation with an incredulous look on my face.

What, it looks to me like you are predicting a case against you. "I know I'm flip floping, and now I'm suddenly unsure about a lynch because of others."

observation? no, you're just unsure because you don't want to be held accountable for this lynch.

JJJ, I've flip flop'd on you alot, but I think you are bad.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.

[Ricochet]

I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.

Dunno. Looks like it's picking up steam to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mafia is such a goofy game sometimes. Last time I was the one pooh-poohing a Tranq lynch and now I'm ready to take the plunge -- but the clamoring for his demise seems to have stalled.

JJJ, what is the purpose of stating this? do the cheers for Tranq's death affect you?

There is no purpose. It's just me making an observation with an incredulous look on my face.

What, it looks to me like you are predicting a case against you. "I know I'm flip floping, and now I'm suddenly unsure about a lynch because of others."

observation? no, you're just unsure because you don't want to be held accountable for this lynch.

JJJ, I've flip flop'd on you alot, but I think you are bad.

No, I don't think you really believe any of what you just said to me. That post I made was meaningless and that you've forced meaning into it like this is pretty much bunk. There's absolutely nothing there to indicate that I am predicting a case or shying away from responsibility. I literally said I'm ready to take the plunge. That's clear-cut.

Townies flip-flop a lot more than baddies do, so I don't care about that accusation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.

Dunno. Looks like it's picking up steam to me.

A counterwagon has arrived and it's a familiar face.

[DrWilgy]

I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.

BS, LoRab was a 4 way tie.

Tranq has a 3 vote lead right now.

Linki - You've been on a uphill climb all game, why just now are you ready to "take a plunge?"

[Tranq]

I guess i'll switch my vote to JJJ.

Who wants to join me?

[Ricochet]

I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.

Dunno. Looks like it's picking up steam to me.

A counterwagon has arrived and it's a familiar face.

Oooh.

[Ricochet]

I guess i'll switch my vote to JJJ.

Who wants to join me?

Don't you feel like voting whomever I tell you anymore?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.

BS, LoRab was a 4 way tie.

What? A 4-way tie is close. It's impossible to be closer than a tie.

Tranq has a 3 vote lead right now.

Nope.

Linki - You've been on a uphill climb all game, why just now are you ready to "take a plunge?"

Why does my uphill climb have any bearing on anything? I'm ready to lynch Tranq because I don't have a better option to offer right now. I've changed my tune on Dom and other suspects I've entertained aren't lynchable at the moment.

[DrWilgy]

I note that this Tranq lynch is not developing as easily as the Rico, sig, or llama lynches did. The close lynches (3.0. and 3.5) had a baddie in the big wagons.

BS, LoRab was a 4 way tie.

What? A 4-way tie is close. It's impossible to be closer than a tie.

Tranq has a 3 vote lead right now.

Nope.

Yes, now compare what happened then to now

Linki - You've been on a uphill climb all game, why just now are you ready to "take a plunge?"

Why does my uphill climb have any bearing on anything? I'm ready to lynch Tranq because I don't have a better option to offer right now. I've changed my tune on Dom and other suspects I've entertained aren't lynchable at the moment.

Because there's no plunge to take, you're placing your vote. What is the "Plunge" JJJ? I mentioned you're uphill climb because this doesn't make sense as a plunge since you've dealt with suspicion all game. If this is a plunge, there's clearly some risk you are taking here.

[Tranq]

I guess i'll switch my vote to JJJ.

Who wants to join me?

Don't you feel like voting whomever I tell you anymore?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Because there's no plunge to take, you're placing your vote. What is the "Plunge" JJJ? I mentioned you're uphill climb because this doesn't make sense as a plunge since you've dealt with suspicion all game. If this is a plunge, there's clearly some risk you are taking here.

You see Doc, what you're doing here is saying what I'm doing but not why it's suspicious. I called it "taking the plunge" because I haven't done the thorough analysis of Tranq's content that I often do for those I help to lynch. It can't be done with him, there's not enough there. I hope it works out. It is a risk I am taking, not just for me but for every civilian. Lynching a player like Tranq is inherently risky, that's why I grumbled about it yesterday (and it should be stated that I even said last day phase that I was underwhelmed by a Tranq lynch but not disgusted by it).

[motel room]

i've had no time whatsoever. Getting ridiculous, I probably am. if im too shit lets talk about it later. Jumping on tranq

[Ricochet]

Tranq, legacy post. Please and thank you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jumping on tranq

Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?

People who are pressed for time: I understand. It happens. So am I actually. But if you're going to drop a vote at the end of the phase, please at least offer a single dang sentence to explain it. Something. Anything. motel room if you're town then you've made yourself look bad needlessly regardless of Tranq's alignment. Why?

[DrWilgy]

Because there's no plunge to take, you're placing your vote. What is the "Plunge" JJJ? I mentioned you're uphill climb because this doesn't make sense as a plunge since you've dealt with suspicion all game. If this is a plunge, there's clearly some risk you are taking here.

You see Doc, what you're doing here is saying what I'm doing but not why it's suspicious. I called it "taking the plunge" because I haven't done the thorough analysis of Tranq's content that I often do for those I help to lynch. It can't be done with him, there's not enough there. I hope it works out. It is a risk I am taking, not just for me but for every civilian. Lynching a player like Tranq is inherently risky, that's why I grumbled about it yesterday (and it should be stated that I even said last day phase that I was underwhelmed by a Tranq lynch but not disgusted by it).

How so? Tranq is an enigma to most players, if he's not giving you a means to understand him why not get rid of him? Same could apply to me, Mac, MM, and all lurker/3rd party claimers. This is why you pluck wall-flowers. How is losing Tranq's civ contribution, any greater than other's? why is it enough to warrant a risk that would require a plunge?

[MacDougall]

Comparing my game to tranq's is ridiculous. I have had ridic work commitments last week but still put up more analysis than him AND you. Why are you including me in your list and not motel room?

[DrWilgy]

I forgot he was playing, and you've been all "TIE! TIE! TIE! TIE!"

[MacDougall]

How am I a lurker or third party claimer? I have nearly 500 posts. He has 27. I am not lurking nor have I third party claimed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Because there's no plunge to take, you're placing your vote. What is the "Plunge" JJJ? I mentioned you're uphill climb because this doesn't make sense as a plunge since you've dealt with suspicion all game. If this is a plunge, there's clearly some risk you are taking here.

You see Doc, what you're doing here is saying what I'm doing but not why it's suspicious. I called it "taking the plunge" because I haven't done the thorough analysis of Tranq's content that I often do for those I help to lynch. It can't be done with him, there's not enough there. I hope it works out. It is a risk I am taking, not just for me but for every civilian. Lynching a player like Tranq is inherently risky, that's why I grumbled about it yesterday (and it should be stated that I even said last day phase that I was underwhelmed by a Tranq lynch but not disgusted by it).

How so? Tranq is an enigma to most players, if he's not giving you a means to understand him why not get rid of him? Same could apply to me, Mac, MM, and all lurker/3rd party claimers. This is why you pluck wall-flowers. How is losing Tranq's civ contribution, any greater than other's? why is it enough to warrant a risk that would require a plunge?

No civilian lynch is ever good for the civilian faction. Ever. I don't care if it's a person who has been wrong on every read, or a person with zero posts, or a person who has bad B.O. permeating the thread -- the numbers game is crucial and any lost civilian brings the game one step closer to LyLo. So yes, lynching a player without the comfy cushion of a well-reasoned case is a risk, and I called it "taking the plunge".

Why is that suspicious?

[MacDougall]

I read the post in question similar to Wilgy tbh. It was jarringly out of step with the rest of your play. A nervy pointing out of something you perceived could be raised against you. And you are mixing him up to distract from a fairly valid point JJJ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I read the post in question similar to Wilgy tbh. It was jarringly out of step with the rest of your play. A nervy pointing out of something you perceived could be raised against you. And you are mixing him up to distract from a fairly valid point JJJ.

Everything could be raised against me. Everything has been raised against me. I'm not concerned with someone telling me I flipped on the Tranq lynch; I absolutely don't care. I just thought it was silly that I found myself in that position: Tranq as my vote on a [at the time] secondary wagon a day after having groaned about lynching him while people who'd called for that lynch before like yourself were on the MM wagon or elsewhere. I frankly could have put that post in green text, it wasn't meant to have any function in this game.

[DrWilgy]

Because there's no plunge to take, you're placing your vote. What is the "Plunge" JJJ? I mentioned you're uphill climb because this doesn't make sense as a plunge since you've dealt with suspicion all game. If this is a plunge, there's clearly some risk you are taking here.

You see Doc, what you're doing here is saying what I'm doing but not why it's suspicious. I called it "taking the plunge" because I haven't done the thorough analysis of Tranq's content that I often do for those I help to lynch. It can't be done with him, there's not enough there. I hope it works out. It is a risk I am taking, not just for me but for every civilian. Lynching a player like Tranq is inherently risky, that's why I grumbled about it yesterday (and it should be stated that I even said last day phase that I was underwhelmed by a Tranq lynch but not disgusted by it).

How so? Tranq is an enigma to most players, if he's not giving you a means to understand him why not get rid of him? Same could apply to me, Mac, MM, and all lurker/3rd party claimers. This is why you pluck wall-flowers. How is losing Tranq's civ contribution, any greater than other's? why is it enough to warrant a risk that would require a plunge?

No civilian lynch is ever good for the civilian faction. Ever. I don't care if it's a person who has been wrong on every read, or a person with zero posts, or a person who has bad B.O. permeating the thread -- the numbers game is crucial and any lost civilian brings the game one step closer to LyLo. So yes, lynching a player without the comfy cushion of a well-reasoned case is a risk, and I called it "taking the plunge".

Why is that suspicious?

We ain't at Lylo yet, nor do I think we are close. That's why.

Also, you are incorrect. A good example of why is actually LOST that just ended. Nutella was a civ player that rode to endgame while remaining an enigma. Alot of me wanted to lynch her over Zebra (who was also civ) because I could at least judge Zebra. Zebra could contribute and we could continue evolving. The thread died after Zebra died, but we got lucky and S~V~S solved the game. Had SVS not solved the game, I would've lynched Nutella and mafia would've won.

So, tell me again JJJ, what is the risk in lynching someone who's death will not impact the thread or the game this far in?

[MacDougall]

I am at my kids swim lesson and my phone is nearly flat. I don't like that tranq isn't defending much. But I would rather lynch him than any of the other possibilities that have come up. Please look at Matt more tomorrow.

[Marmot]

SVS solving a game is never pure luck.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

We ain't at Lylo yet, nor do I think we are close. That's why.

Also, you are incorrect. A good example of why is actually LOST that just ended. Nutella was a civ player that rode to endgame while remaining an enigma. Alot of me wanted to lynch her over Zebra (who was also civ) because I could at least judge Zebra. Zebra could contribute and we could continue evolving. The thread died after Zebra died, but we got lucky and S~V~S solved the game. Had SVS not solved the game, I would've lynched Nutella and mafia would've won.

So, tell me again JJJ, what is the risk in lynching someone who's death will not impact the thread or the game this far in?

All of this is completely wrong. It's just ridiculous, I'm sorry. None of it is valid. It is all invalid. It's baloney. Balogna.

This mindset is terrible. We're probably not close to LyLo, I agree. That doesn't mean we have the freedom to lynch people willy-nilly or play around with bullcrap ties because we feel like it. That kind of behavior can hasten LyLo's arrival.

I agree that it sucks to have enigmatic lurking players in the game at LyLo, but that doesn't mean enigmatic lurking players should just be lynched by default for being enigmatic and lurky. Townies do that shit all the time. There has to be some kind of mindset playing into the move beyond alignment-neutral logic like that. The most suspicious player needs to be lynched in all scenarios.

I already answered this. You're wrong. The thread impact would be minimal, but the game impact would be significant if Tranq is town. That's why it's a risk. That's why I said "taking the plunge". FFS.

[DharmaHelper]

Fucking 10/10 post JJJ

[Marmot]

This 4:23 deadline is inopportune.

[Ricochet]

I highly doubt nutella's enigmatic play and Tranq's can really be called one and the same. Nutella, as far as I remember her, plays nevertheless in the game. Tranq is more in between Bass and Vompatti on the spectrum of despairing non-play.

[Ricochet]

This 4:23 deadline is inopportune.

America pls. I've spent 5am deadlines, throughout games, during the last year.

[MacDougall]

You are making such a big colourful sperg about something so simple. You preempted a case on you. And your reaction to Wilgy is fascinatingly violent. THIS is your stake in the ground? I think Wilgy hit a nerve.

[S~V~S]

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If you have a poll change post it in thread

[S~V~S]

Who's a Big Meanie?

Poll runs till Fri Jan 22, 2016 7:23:22 pm
You may select 1 option

Bea
0
No votes

Boomslang
0
No votes

DharmaHelper
0
No votes

Dom
0
No votes

Dr. Wilgy
0
No votes

Draconus
0
No votes

FZ.
0
No votes

JaggedJimmyJay
4
Sorsha (6), Metalmarsh89 (19), DrWilgy (23), Tranq (24)
16%

Juliets
0
No votes

Long Con
0
No votes

MacDougall
1
Long Con (17)
4%

Matt
0
No votes

Metalmarsh
3
FZ. (13), bea (14), Draconus (16)
12%

motelroom
0
No votes

nijuukyugou
0
No votes

Sorsha
1
Matt (8)
4%

Tranq
7
Boomslang (12), DharmaHelper (15), JaggedJimmyJay (18), MacDougall (20), Dom (21), juliets (22), motel room (25)
28%

Sexy People (host/dead/non)
9
Turnip Head (1), S~V~S (2), HamburgerBoy (3), a2thezebra (4), LoRab (5), Golden (7), Black Rock (9), MovingPictures07 (10), Typhoony (11)

[DharmaHelper]

RIP poll

[DrWilgy]

by "we" I meant Nutella, Epi and I.

We ain't at Lylo yet, nor do I think we are close. That's why.

Also, you are incorrect. A good example of why is actually LOST that just ended. Nutella was a civ player that rode to endgame while remaining an enigma. Alot of me wanted to lynch her over Zebra (who was also civ) because I could at least judge Zebra. Zebra could contribute and we could continue evolving. The thread died after Zebra died, but we got lucky and S~V~S solved the game. Had SVS not solved the game, I would've lynched Nutella and mafia would've won.

So, tell me again JJJ, what is the risk in lynching someone who's death will not impact the thread or the game this far in?

All of this is completely wrong. It's just ridiculous, I'm sorry. None of it is valid. It is all invalid. It's baloney. Balogna.

This mindset is terrible. We're probably not close to LyLo, I agree. That doesn't mean we have the freedom to lynch people willy-nilly or play around with bullcrap ties because we feel like it. That kind of behavior can hasten LyLo's arrival.

I agree that it sucks to have enigmatic lurking players in the game at LyLo, but that doesn't mean enigmatic lurking players should just be lynched by default for being enigmatic and lurky. Townies do that shit all the time. There has to be some kind of mindset playing into the move beyond alignment-neutral logic like that. The most suspicious player needs to be lynched in all scenarios.

I already answered this. You're wrong. The thread impact would be minimal, but the game impact would be significant if Tranq is town. That's why it's a risk. That's why I said "taking the plunge". FFS.

You act like there's a gray area between winning and losing. We can win before lylo, we can win at lylo, we can't win after lylo. Why not prep for the best possible win condition while we can? Lylo's arrival? why is that a bad thing? when the game can still be won? ESPECIALLY in an environment like this where we already have good leads.

It's true townies do that all the time, but what happens if you have no most suspicious JJJ?

Did you take a plunge when you voted for Sig, LoRab, or DH? It's looking to me like... You wanna have a bad time...

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You are making such a big colourful sperg about something so simple. You preempted a case on you. And your reaction to Wilgy is fascinatingly violent. THIS is your stake in the ground? I think Wilgy hit a nerve.

I don't know what you mean by "stake in the ground".

I did not preempt a case on me. If you've interpreted it that way then you've interpreted it incorrectly. If you really believe that I give a flying eff about how people might case me after the way this game has progressed, then you've paid no attention. I've been on the verge of being lynched three of the last four phases; I've already heard it all. Why the hell should I care about some stupid shit like "You flip-flopped on Tranq, JJJ! Wassup wit dat doe?"

I'm exhibiting emotion because it's immensely frustrating and exhausting to be having a conversation like this about "take the plunge". This is Day freaking 5.

[Ricochet]

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If you have a poll change post it in thread

I'm not even sure I have the right stats written down in my sheets, with everything that happened throughout the past three hours.

[Ricochet]

OOPs I hit submit rather than preview for the poll

If you have a poll change post it in thread

I'm not even sure I have the right stats written down in my sheets, with everything that happened throughout the past three hours.

Giving it a go, though:

JJJ: Sorsha, MM, Wilgy, Tranq
Mac: Long Con
MM: FZ, Bea, Draco
Sorsha: Matt
Tranq: Boomslang, DH, JJJ, Mac, Dom, juliets, motelroom

[S~V~S]

Iposted the final poll (up to the point I posted too fast) in the polls thread. So if there are no changes, we are up to speed.

[Ricochet]

Oh hell, the night poll only makes me want to vote position 4.