Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Long Con]

FZ has my eye today.

WTF, why did you end up lynching Tranq?

Especially JJJ, why did you vote Tranq? I'm not fully caught up. I noticed you were hesitating voting MM because he claimed to be an indie, yet I remember you clearly thinking Tranq was a civ. How did you end up preferring to lynch someone you considered a civ over someone who at best is an indie?

By the way, I saw Bea comparing this to Death Note, where TH was an indie who had to survive and tried to help the civvies. This is not similar because TH actually did try to help the civvies, while MM is doing nothing of the sort. Unless he changed his behaviour and started looking for suspects in the posts I haven't read yet.


JJJ, why did you vote Lorab on day 3.0 and then changed it to DH on day 3.5? What ever happened to your suspicion of DH? You haven't even talked about it last day.

LC, I'm starting to think there's a chance I've been fooled all along.

In light of JJJ's Civ flip, this post looks sketchy to me. Add that to buddying Golden and JJJ, and you have yourself a baddie.

She deserves a thorough ISO from this perspective.

[DharmaHelper]

I've had several exchanges with FZ that have left me ponderous. I'll give her a look see.

[MacDougall]

I'm voting Matt in honour of Jimmy.

[FZ.]

RIP JJJ. This is a depressing death. You'll be missed

FZ has my eye today.

WTF, why did you end up lynching Tranq?

Especially JJJ, why did you vote Tranq? I'm not fully caught up. I noticed you were hesitating voting MM because he claimed to be an indie, yet I remember you clearly thinking Tranq was a civ. How did you end up preferring to lynch someone you considered a civ over someone who at best is an indie?

By the way, I saw Bea comparing this to Death Note, where TH was an indie who had to survive and tried to help the civvies. This is not similar because TH actually did try to help the civvies, while MM is doing nothing of the sort. Unless he changed his behaviour and started looking for suspects in the posts I haven't read yet.


JJJ, why did you vote Lorab on day 3.0 and then changed it to DH on day 3.5? What ever happened to your suspicion of DH? You haven't even talked about it last day.

LC, I'm starting to think there's a chance I've been fooled all along.

In light of JJJ's Civ flip, this post looks sketchy to me. Add that to buddying Golden and JJJ, and you have yourself a baddie.

She deserves a thorough ISO from this perspective.

This is the most absurd post I have ever read. It can't be that I was just right, and you were wrong about those people (assuming you're not bad). I was right about Sig, abdou Golden and about JJJ. I think I'm playing a championship game. I'm pretty pleased with myself. I also didn't lynch Tranq, and even if MM isn't bad, lynching him would have been a much better result than lynching Tranq. So instead of thinking maybe you should start listening to me, you go and accuse me? Nice job.

Now, tell me why you shouldn't be considered bad after all this time voting for JJJ? And don't tell me that you would have just gotten him lynched. Apparently, that wasn't working, and besides, everyone thinks that you wouldn't kill him if you were pushing for his lynch. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced about anything, because last night, I was starting to doubt myself looking at JJJ's voting as well as Sorsha in days I knew something about their vote. Turns out I was wrong about that, so it doesn't really matter.

I'm pissed. I think it's time civvies started thinking straight this game, because we'll lose it if we don't.

[FZ.]

Dom, asking people for their reasons to suspect you is such a baddie thing to do. Belittling all the votes and saying all those people don't really have a case doesn't make you look better.

Fine, you don't trust MM. Who else?
What do you think about Juliets?

[FZ.]

LC... we were both wrong about JJJ. What do you make of that?

The wording here doesn't feel genuine. Why do you ask him instead of saying what you make of that? It's like you're trying to bind the two of you together.

[Ricochet]

Interesting spat to start D6 off. On the surface level (meaning no re-reads accomplished ), I must say that, the more FZ. plays and reacts, the more genuine she comes off as being a civ fighter - with just, like, 10% odds this could be some great pretense on her behalf, as a baddie, meant to numb others' senses and keep her off the lynch table. At the moment, she's definitely giving me the "close-to-telling-someone-to-f-off" Death Note vibes (though I sure hope she's not genuinely that frustrated in this game right now) than any other past game read of her that I can recall.

In this regard, LC probably didn't pick the best person to try an open up a new angle, after his continuous JJJ casing was proven wrong. Keeping in mind the Kubrick factor wasn't an unreasonable thing per se, but it relates a lot already to his habit of keeping either disclosed or potential undisclosed roles in mind when searching for leads or case-making. Much of it is not something to mind in itself, but... I'd give this one a 20% offchance to be an attempt to coat himself in "I'd-never-openly-talk-about-baddie-methods-or-nefarious-roles" WIFOM.

Gut somehow tells me this lil' exchange right now wasn't exactly civ-on-vic, but idk.

[Dom]

Dom, asking people for their reasons to suspect you is such a baddie thing to do. Belittling all the votes and saying all those people don't really have a case doesn't make you look better.

Fine, you don't trust MM. Who else?
What do you think about Juliets?

I think Juliets is civ. I've answered this before.

Belititng votes because every single person who has voted for me other than MM (who gave a half assed rationale) has not given a single reason to do so. It's not that they "don't really have a case"; it's that they haven't even presented one and simply are voting me because I'm an easy lynch target after the LoRab flip.

Asking people for their reasons to suspect me is a baddie thing to do??!?!?! YOU ARE SO DESPERATE TO PAINT ME AS BAD. This is embarrassing. No it's not. How can I be expected to argue against them if I don't know why they want me dead? This doesn't even begin to make sense.

I don't trust MM. I don't trust Matt. I don't trust Mac. M for malevolent.

[Dom]

LC... we were both wrong about JJJ. What do you make of that?

The wording here doesn't feel genuine. Why do you ask him instead of saying what you make of that? It's like you're trying to bind the two of you together.

....name one time you have thought I was genuine.

[Dom]

Oh and I've clearly never trusted you.

[Marmot]

LC... we were both wrong about JJJ. What do you make of that?

Well, it's pretty crappy. I hijacked a chunk of the game chasing him and he was telling the truth. Kubrick's so-called role card was surely placed there to implicate JJJ, and I fell for it. At least we didn't waste a lynch on him.

LC, what do you think of Dom?

[Long Con]

RIP JJJ. This is a depressing death. You'll be missed

FZ has my eye today.

WTF, why did you end up lynching Tranq?

Especially JJJ, why did you vote Tranq? I'm not fully caught up. I noticed you were hesitating voting MM because he claimed to be an indie, yet I remember you clearly thinking Tranq was a civ. How did you end up preferring to lynch someone you considered a civ over someone who at best is an indie?

By the way, I saw Bea comparing this to Death Note, where TH was an indie who had to survive and tried to help the civvies. This is not similar because TH actually did try to help the civvies, while MM is doing nothing of the sort. Unless he changed his behaviour and started looking for suspects in the posts I haven't read yet.


JJJ, why did you vote Lorab on day 3.0 and then changed it to DH on day 3.5? What ever happened to your suspicion of DH? You haven't even talked about it last day.

LC, I'm starting to think there's a chance I've been fooled all along.

In light of JJJ's Civ flip, this post looks sketchy to me. Add that to buddying Golden and JJJ, and you have yourself a baddie.

She deserves a thorough ISO from this perspective.

This is the most absurd post I have ever read. It can't be that I was just right, and you were wrong about those people (assuming you're not bad). I was right about Sig, abdou Golden and about JJJ. I think I'm playing a championship game. I'm pretty pleased with myself. I also didn't lynch Tranq, and even if MM isn't bad, lynching him would have been a much better result than lynching Tranq. So instead of thinking maybe you should start listening to me, you go and accuse me? Nice job.

Now, tell me why you shouldn't be considered bad after all this time voting for JJJ? And don't tell me that you would have just gotten him lynched. Apparently, that wasn't working, and besides, everyone thinks that you wouldn't kill him if you were pushing for his lynch. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced about anything, because last night, I was starting to doubt myself looking at JJJ's voting as well as Sorsha in days I knew something about their vote. Turns out I was wrong about that, so it doesn't really matter.

I'm pissed. I think it's time civvies started thinking straight this game, because we'll lose it if we don't.

Well, you're accusing me after I accused you. Would you have said this stuff if I hadn't suspected you first? I guess we'll never know.

What do you mean, "those people"?


Oh, I see: Sig, Golden, JJJ, and Tranq. So I was wrong about sig when I thought he sounded Civ and said so during his lynch. I was wrong about Golden when I didn't suspect him. I was wrong about Tranq when I didn't vote for him during his lynch.

[Long Con]

LC... we were both wrong about JJJ. What do you make of that?

Well, it's pretty crappy. I hijacked a chunk of the game chasing him and he was telling the truth. Kubrick's so-called role card was surely placed there to implicate JJJ, and I fell for it. At least we didn't waste a lynch on him.

LC, what do you think of Dom?

I have felt pretty good about Dom all game, but he could be a baddie. I don't really have a solid read on him yet. I know that's a bit wishy-washy, but it's how I feel.

[Marmot]

LC... we were both wrong about JJJ. What do you make of that?

Well, it's pretty crappy. I hijacked a chunk of the game chasing him and he was telling the truth. Kubrick's so-called role card was surely placed there to implicate JJJ, and I fell for it. At least we didn't waste a lynch on him.

LC, what do you think of Dom?

I have felt pretty good about Dom all game, but he could be a baddie. I don't really have a solid read on him yet. I know that's a bit wishy-washy, but it's how I feel.

Sure is. Why do you think he could be a baddie, despite you having a good feeling about him all game?

I also came across this post from you.

HamburgerBoy, who did he hide behind on the night he died?

In reverse order chronologically:

His last post certifies that his biggest suspicion is of Dom.

In this post, he puts MM toward the yellower section of the suspicion list.

In the same post, he says he trusts Long Con.

Suspicion of Dom.

Civ read of DharmaHelper.

Suspicious of Draconus, and also Dom, Draco, Wilgy, and maybe nijuu.

A couple of Dom suspicion posts.

Wishy-washy about bea and juliets.

Believes JJJ looks less likely to be on a bad team, due to reasons.

Done for now. This is a link to HBoy's posts oif anyone wants to continue on with this.

With regards to Hamburgboy and his suspicion of Dom before his death. I think you've got a good argument against Dom here.

[Dom]

Marsh, if you're really neutral, why do you care about lynching me so much?

So you think HBoy hid behind someone he thought was bad so he could die from it?

Okay.....?????? That's nonsensical. If anything, it excludes me from being someone HB would hide behind.

[Dom]

Also, I love math so don't lynch me.

[Ricochet]

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

[Dom]

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

Why is Marshy so attached to the idea of lynching me? Why has he voted me early in the last two phases and only moved his vote to save himself? Why am I a "suspect"? Marsh claims to not be playing for anyone really, but that can't be the case if he is attached to "suspicions" like this. It makes no sense. He also cannot cite evidence of my baddiness. People are literally saying it's suspicious because I want to know why I'm suspicious and you don't find that strange?

[Marmot]

Marsh, if you're really neutral, why do you care about lynching me so much?

So you think HBoy hid behind someone he thought was bad so he could die from it?

Okay.....?????? That's nonsensical. If anything, it excludes me from being someone HB would hide behind.

I don't want to be lynched either. But I also don't want to be nightkilled. Life is harsh.

That's actually part of the use of the Hider role. He can protect himself if he hides behind a civ, but he can also discover a baddie if he hides behind them. It's like a one time baddie-alignment checker. And it's clear he hid behind a baddie since he otherwise would not have died. Knowing HBoy, he would have let people know who he was hiding behind each night (since he comes from a site where info-dumping is common). So yes, I believe his last post being about a suspicion of you does incriminate you.

[Dom]

Marsh, if you're really neutral, why do you care about lynching me so much?

So you think HBoy hid behind someone he thought was bad so he could die from it?

Okay.....?????? That's nonsensical. If anything, it excludes me from being someone HB would hide behind.

I don't want to be lynched either. But I also don't want to be nightkilled. Life is harsh.

That's actually part of the use of the Hider role. He can protect himself if he hides behind a civ, but he can also discover a baddie if he hides behind them. It's like a one time baddie-alignment checker. And it's clear he hid behind a baddie since he otherwise would not have died. Knowing HBoy, he would have let people know who he was hiding behind each night (since he comes from a site where info-dumping is common). So yes, I believe his last post being about a suspicion of you does incriminate you.

I seriously doubt he would intentionally behind someone he thinks is bad knowing he will die if he's right.

This is new from you. Why didn't you bring it up earlier?

[Long Con]

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

Surviving.

And yeah, MM, it really depends how kamikaze HBoy was. Would you hide behind your biggest suspicion as the Hider?

[Marmot]

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

[Ricochet]

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

Why is Marshy so attached to the idea of lynching me? Why has he voted me early in the last two phases and only moved his vote to save himself? Why am I a "suspect"? Marsh claims to not be playing for anyone really, but that can't be the case if he is attached to "suspicions" like this. It makes no sense. He also cannot cite evidence of my baddiness. People are literally saying it's suspicious because I want to know why I'm suspicious and you don't find that strange?

Did he vote you early in the last two phases? I don't have that in my spreadsheets. Anyway, why MM early votes someone must be up there with what's beyond the event horizon of a black hole, in terms of understandable phenomena.

Also, I don't know if MM claimed he's not playing for anyone, he claimed he's not aligned to anyone. Him not playing actually anything, ergo not helping out any side or especially the civ side, is a different matter, of course.

What's the percentage on you actually fearing to be lynched? You were sort of a wagon the other Day, but otherwise barely received votes, despite being sussed out. Are you just reacting to what you find to be lack of case-making or acting tense in advance of your lynch potentially escalating?

[Ricochet]

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

That's... not a logical answer to my question.

Anyway, I asked you many times already what your favourite fruit is, so don't give me any Shinigami BS. I doubt you're Ryuk (again!) or Sidoh.

[Long Con]

What is this fruit thing??!

[Ricochet]

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

Surviving.

And yeah, MM, it really depends how kamikaze HBoy was. Would you hide behind your biggest suspicion as the Hider?

My point was in regard to voting, which MM would not be exempt from doing, unlike me, the great Papryco. So why would a player ask an alledged neutral what's his stake at voting him (or anyone)? The question struck me as odd.

[Marmot]

Marsh, if you're really neutral, why do you care about lynching me so much?

So you think HBoy hid behind someone he thought was bad so he could die from it?

Okay.....?????? That's nonsensical. If anything, it excludes me from being someone HB would hide behind.

I don't want to be lynched either. But I also don't want to be nightkilled. Life is harsh.

That's actually part of the use of the Hider role. He can protect himself if he hides behind a civ, but he can also discover a baddie if he hides behind them. It's like a one time baddie-alignment checker. And it's clear he hid behind a baddie since he otherwise would not have died. Knowing HBoy, he would have let people know who he was hiding behind each night (since he comes from a site where info-dumping is common). So yes, I believe his last post being about a suspicion of you does incriminate you.

I seriously doubt he would intentionally behind someone he thinks is bad knowing he will die if he's right.

This is new from you. Why didn't you bring it up earlier?

I wasn't paying attention.

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

Surviving.

And yeah, MM, it really depends how kamikaze HBoy was. Would you hide behind your biggest suspicion as the Hider?

That's a good question.

I think I would depending on the circumstances. Day 1: absolutely not. A later day in the game, yes. Especially if I felt like I would have a tough time lynching said player otherwise.

Linki: I've told you my favorite fruit multiple times already Rico, and no it's not an apple.

[Dom]

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

Why is Marshy so attached to the idea of lynching me? Why has he voted me early in the last two phases and only moved his vote to save himself? Why am I a "suspect"? Marsh claims to not be playing for anyone really, but that can't be the case if he is attached to "suspicions" like this. It makes no sense. He also cannot cite evidence of my baddiness. People are literally saying it's suspicious because I want to know why I'm suspicious and you don't find that strange?

Did he vote you early in the last two phases? I don't have that in my spreadsheets. Anyway, why MM early votes someone must be up there with what's beyond the event horizon of a black hole, in terms of understandable phenomena.

Also, I don't know if MM claimed he's not playing for anyone, he claimed he's not aligned to anyone. Him not playing actually anything, ergo not helping out any side or especially the civ side, is a different matter, of course.

What's the percentage on you actually fearing to be lynched? You were sort of a wagon the other Day, but otherwise barely received votes, despite being sussed out. Are you just reacting to what you find to be lack of case-making or acting tense in advance of your lynch potentially escalating?

I'm nervous for a variety of factors. Mostly I am nervous because I am heading into tech week and am student teaching and won't be able to defend myself against voters who don't even say WHY they think I'm bad.

Does that not strike you as odd? No one is really explaining why I'm bad? I've been badgering MM about it for DAYS and he is only now starting to pull reasons out of his ass. FZ said that is suspicious of me. WHY?! HOW IS THAT SUSPICIOUS???

The lynch train on me is so desperate and transparent. I don't think everyone who suspects me is bad, but there's gotta be a baddie in there. It's comprised of FZ (someone I've suspected for a while), MM (someone who took two or three days to come up with a reason to suspect me), Tranq (who barely played and was wrong), and Wilgy (who has yet to really acknowledge my questions to him).

[Dom]

Marsh, if you're really neutral, why do you care about lynching me so much?

So you think HBoy hid behind someone he thought was bad so he could die from it?

Okay.....?????? That's nonsensical. If anything, it excludes me from being someone HB would hide behind.

I don't want to be lynched either. But I also don't want to be nightkilled. Life is harsh.

That's actually part of the use of the Hider role. He can protect himself if he hides behind a civ, but he can also discover a baddie if he hides behind them. It's like a one time baddie-alignment checker. And it's clear he hid behind a baddie since he otherwise would not have died. Knowing HBoy, he would have let people know who he was hiding behind each night (since he comes from a site where info-dumping is common). So yes, I believe his last post being about a suspicion of you does incriminate you.

I seriously doubt he would intentionally behind someone he thinks is bad knowing he will die if he's right.

This is new from you. Why didn't you bring it up earlier?

I wasn't paying attention.

What should a neutral role do, if he shouldn't care about voting/lynching anyone?

Surviving.

And yeah, MM, it really depends how kamikaze HBoy was. Would you hide behind your biggest suspicion as the Hider?

That's a good question.

I think I would depending on the circumstances. Day 1: absolutely not. A later day in the game, yes. Especially if I felt like I would have a tough time lynching said player otherwise.

Linki: I've told you my favorite fruit multiple times already Rico, and no it's not an apple.

Day 3?
Okay.
This is so desperate.


Rehearsal's at 11. I'll try and check in.

[Ricochet]

What is this fruit thing??!

Certain roles are supposed to like a certain fruit, if said certain roles exist in this game. I've basically tried to get some role hints by asking about the "fruit thing".

[Marmot]

What is this fruit thing??!

Certain roles are supposed to like a certain fruit, if said certain roles exist in this game. I've basically tried to get some role hints by asking about the "fruit thing".

I am a fan of cider though.

[Long Con]

What is this fruit thing??!

Certain roles are supposed to like a certain fruit, if said certain roles exist in this game. I've basically tried to get some role hints by asking about the "fruit thing".

Which roles are those? Is this from Death Note?

[Marmot]

Day 3?
Okay.
This is so desperate.

Why is this desperate?

[Ricochet]

What is this fruit thing??!

Certain roles are supposed to like a certain fruit, if said certain roles exist in this game. I've basically tried to get some role hints by asking about the "fruit thing".

Which roles are those? Is this from Death Note?

Aye.

[Long Con]

Ok, I'll add the fruit thing to my Ignore List.

[Marmot]

Hey Ricochet, when does the show start?

Also, I'm thinking about doing a Undertale Mafia.

[Marmot]

Long Con, who is your prime suspect today?

[Ricochet]

Hey Ricochet, when does the show start?

Also, I'm thinking about doing a Undertale Mafia.

No idea, I blew my weekend up.

Me too.

Ok, I'll add the fruit thing to my Ignore List.

Right, because Shinigami being imported is ignorable, but Tricksters pitting David Bowie next to shitty pop in order to bait votes and mafia revealing their own roles on purpose have to be right.

[Long Con]

FZ is my prime suspect today at this point. I will have to do a reread of her posts before pulling the trigger though... but what I remember looks bad to me, and her posts today didn't help.

[Long Con]

Hey Ricochet, when does the show start?

Also, I'm thinking about doing a Undertale Mafia.

No idea, I blew my weekend up.

Me too.

Ok, I'll add the fruit thing to my Ignore List.

Right, because Shinigami being imported is ignorable, but Tricksters pitting David Bowie next to shitty pop in order to bait votes and mafia revealing their own roles on purpose have to be right.

Ok, I love apples.

[DrWilgy]

So... MM is an independent... Last time I was "indy" I rode to end game and won as mafia... But marmot is my friend. I will not vote for him.

[DharmaHelper]

Interesting spat to start D6 off. On the surface level (meaning no re-reads accomplished ), I must say that, the more FZ. plays and reacts, the more genuine she comes off as being a civ fighter - with just, like, 10% odds this could be some great pretense on her behalf, as a baddie, meant to numb others' senses and keep her off the lynch table. At the moment, she's definitely giving me the "close-to-telling-someone-to-f-off" Death Note vibes (though I sure hope she's not genuinely that frustrated in this game right now) than any other past game read of her that I can recall.

In this regard, LC probably didn't pick the best person to try an open up a new angle, after his continuous JJJ casing was proven wrong. Keeping in mind the Kubrick factor wasn't an unreasonable thing per se, but it relates a lot already to his habit of keeping either disclosed or potential undisclosed roles in mind when searching for leads or case-making. Much of it is not something to mind in itself, but... I'd give this one a 20% offchance to be an attempt to coat himself in "I'd-never-openly-talk-about-baddie-methods-or-nefarious-roles" WIFOM.

Gut somehow tells me this lil' exchange right now wasn't exactly civ-on-vic, but idk.

Having defended her from Epi and crew in Death Note, I have to disagree.. Not getting DN vibes from FZ at all.

[Marmot]

Interesting spat to start D6 off. On the surface level (meaning no re-reads accomplished ), I must say that, the more FZ. plays and reacts, the more genuine she comes off as being a civ fighter - with just, like, 10% odds this could be some great pretense on her behalf, as a baddie, meant to numb others' senses and keep her off the lynch table. At the moment, she's definitely giving me the "close-to-telling-someone-to-f-off" Death Note vibes (though I sure hope she's not genuinely that frustrated in this game right now) than any other past game read of her that I can recall.

In this regard, LC probably didn't pick the best person to try an open up a new angle, after his continuous JJJ casing was proven wrong. Keeping in mind the Kubrick factor wasn't an unreasonable thing per se, but it relates a lot already to his habit of keeping either disclosed or potential undisclosed roles in mind when searching for leads or case-making. Much of it is not something to mind in itself, but... I'd give this one a 20% offchance to be an attempt to coat himself in "I'd-never-openly-talk-about-baddie-methods-or-nefarious-roles" WIFOM.

Gut somehow tells me this lil' exchange right now wasn't exactly civ-on-vic, but idk.

Having defended her from Epi and crew in Death Note, I have to disagree.. Not getting DN vibes from FZ at all.

Having just been a baddie teammate with her in Pikmin, this is different from her game then (though she did play a stellar, MVP-deserving game then). I think this FZ is more comparable to FZ from Death Note.

[DharmaHelper]

Marsh, if you're really neutral, why do you care about lynching me so much?

So you think HBoy hid behind someone he thought was bad so he could die from it?

Okay.....?????? That's nonsensical. If anything, it excludes me from being someone HB would hide behind.

I don't want to be lynched either. But I also don't want to be nightkilled. Life is harsh.

That's actually part of the use of the Hider role. He can protect himself if he hides behind a civ, but he can also discover a baddie if he hides behind them. It's like a one time baddie-alignment checker. And it's clear he hid behind a baddie since he otherwise would not have died. Knowing HBoy, he would have let people know who he was hiding behind each night (since he comes from a site where info-dumping is common). So yes, I believe his last post being about a suspicion of you does incriminate you.

1/10 smells like bullshit.

[Ricochet]

For reference, I wouldn't imagine HB intentionally role-checking a player as potential baddie by kamikaze'ing, except if he'd leave major "X is my friend, I'mma stick around with him tonight" type of breadcrums (which I don't recall in this case). It's obvious we're not getting any closer to figuring out who he might have hidden behind, so his attempt would most likely go to waste, if he would try it out like that.

[Ricochet]

So... MM is an independent... Last time I was "indy" I rode to end game and won as mafia... But marmot is my friend. I will not vote for him.

You seem to be riding along the phases now as well. What does that make you, this time?

[juliets]

FZ. I don't understand why you think Dom is a baddie because he wants people to explain their vote. Usually it's considered the mark of a baddie if you don't explain your vote. Everyone deserves the opportunity to know why someone is voting for them so they can defend themselves. I've never heard anyone say it's the mark of the baddie to ask people to explain votes. Did I misunderstand what you said? If not, why is that a mark of a baddie?

Also I'm going to try to do isos of Wilgy and motel room today - probably there isn't a lot to look at on motel room but that fly by vote yesterday really caught my eye.

[Marmot]

For reference, I wouldn't imagine HB intentionally role-checking a player as potential baddie by kamikaze'ing, except if he'd leave major "X is my friend, I'mma stick around with him tonight" type of breadcrums (which I don't recall in this case). It's obvious we're not getting any closer to figuring out who he might have hidden behind, so his attempt would most likely go to waste, if he would try it out like that.

By all means, if you can find a better alternative to a player he may have hid behind on Night 3.

It is most likely he hid and died behind somebody.

[Ricochet]

For reference, I wouldn't imagine HB intentionally role-checking a player as potential baddie by kamikaze'ing, except if he'd leave major "X is my friend, I'mma stick around with him tonight" type of breadcrums (which I don't recall in this case). It's obvious we're not getting any closer to figuring out who he might have hidden behind, so his attempt would most likely go to waste, if he would try it out like that.

By all means, if you can find a better alternative to a player he may have hid behind on Night 3.

It is most likely he hid and died behind somebody.

I didn't mean that, Captain Obvious! I meant intentionally hiding behind a prime suspect, to test if he really is bad. I'm more of the belief it was a deadly accident.

Who would you say HB might have cleared, based on hiding behind without trouble on previous Nights?

[Long Con]

For reference, I wouldn't imagine HB intentionally role-checking a player as potential baddie by kamikaze'ing, except if he'd leave major "X is my friend, I'mma stick around with him tonight" type of breadcrums (which I don't recall in this case). It's obvious we're not getting any closer to figuring out who he might have hidden behind, so his attempt would most likely go to waste, if he would try it out like that.

By all means, if you can find a better alternative to a player he may have hid behind on Night 3.

It is most likely he hid and died behind somebody.

I didn't mean that, Captain Obvious! I meant intentionally hiding behind a prime suspect, to test if he really is bad. I'm more of the belief it was a deadly accident.

Who would you say HB might have cleared, based on hiding behind without trouble on previous Nights?

Probably the people on his trusted list. Probably me, really.