Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Ricochet]

2. While I don't think you are on Drac's team, I also don't think Sorsha is bad still, similar to FZ, and even Papryco, I see a frustrated civ that's concerned with the current gamestate.

I did? I don't remember doing. I remember endorsing Sorsha's lynch, instead - at least until she would clarify her actions and offered proof of her Wilgy-is-good thesis. She still hasn't (well, still two pages to ketchu, but...). She's on "I'm not bad" automode instead. At least she voted earlier this time...

Wilgy, why did you near-confirmed LC being civ, but missed the vote on the Day of his close lynch?

I'm not 100% sure wilgy is good. If I had picked between mm and wilgy yesterday it would have been wilgy but I feel like they are both civ so I went with boom. I had no idea wilgy was going to switch (and whoever else did).

Sorsha... Wilgy literally... literally asked for votes to be transfered to Boomslang.

I don't think I'm on a team. I wasn't last time I checked

Linki: Did he stay determined or do you want him to stay determined?

He's about to ISO me. He needs all the support he can get.

Maybe if I keep posting, he'll never be able to finish his ISO of me.

(Mac, I've found the answer to mafia).

Yes, because plowing through eight previous cycles of banter, fluff and Duff and chocolate aren't bad enough.

Maybe if I keep posting, he'll never be able to finish his ISO of me.

(Mac, I've found the answer to mafia).

I tried that. He got there in the end lol.

Chowchow a Tranq.

...posting this for now and moving on...

[Marmot]

Don't do that marshy. I'm cute and people love me. Also imma civ.

I'm also cute because I'm a newt marmot.

[Marmot]

I am back....

Wilgy I think we are probably a day or two at best from lylo. Depends on additional kills. I do think we have two teams so perhaps not as pressing as some may think? Still need to lynch right.

Matt, I gotta say these latest interactions between you and Marsh have me dismissing my idea you are on a team together. Marsh I would definitely vote for if we don't vote for Draco.

I think my case on Draco has him dead to rights so fuck it. I've put it out there. Everyone has laid their shit bare. If you ain't made your mind up you have a lot to pick from. Choose wisely. #drunkonrumsofuckit

Matt's been trying to lynch me since Day 1 though. Literally.

[DrWilgy]

Oh no... I think I typed that wrong and gave it a wrong meaning. I think that you Sorsha and FZ. are all just frustrated civs.

I was asleep. I got home from work alittle early because I was feeling sick and went to bed

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I'm ashamed I didn't consider the Kubrick thing until now. I'm surprised nobody made the connection now that I think about it...

Whoa, me too. I mean, yesterday morning I missread the Host Post thinking it was a fake modkill one. But the post definitely hints at motel surviving one.

Thoughts about Motel,
1. We shouldn't have let him lurk this long.
2. If he is Kubrick, who shot at him?
3. If he is Kubrick and it was a civvie role that shot at him, I would think that someone would've pointed out a possible Kubrick connection much earlier in the phase.

Thoughts about Kubrick,
It's kinda odd that Kubrick was revealed right as JJJ was upto the lynching block, and we haven't since received any other random baddie roles. I've began to have my doubts that Kubrick existed in the first place because of this.

1. o rly
2. Someone with a vigi kill. Someone (bea?) pointed out that N6 was a position 2 winner and we've never been on that one before. Of course, mostly only baddies have had positions, so it would hint at one of them being enabled another kill -- this could enhance the two teams theory. Then again, the kill could equally be a night poll prize, on a Night in which many people got dunked on with curses and shit. In which case, anyone could have shot at him.
3. True, but it's not the only explanation. If a civvie shot at him, but couldn't make the Kubrick connection, why would he start leaving crumbs? Maybe a mafia shot at him (position 2 enabled) and motel would be Kubrick, wouldn't the mafia vigi, if on a different team, equally want him gone? If a mafia shot at him (position 2 enabled), what if someone simply protected motel? What if motel protected himself? He only cares about himself, after all..

Yes, the theory that the baddies self-revealed Kubrick to smear JJJ has been said before, and it's not a bad theory, except I don't get how they'd be allowed to reveal a role without any actual role-revealing powers. I'm not tempted to give credit to stuff that would happen outside the game's design (roles, abilities, powers). As a Host, I would definitely not allow design bypasses, just for the convenience of a faction.

Let not get carried away with Kubrick not existing, though. The only corrupter / fabricator we've seen so far is zebra. I require evidence or basic plausibility of a baddie role that says "make shit up" existing in this game.

As for motel being Kubrick, it's quite likely. The role would essentially allow him to skate through Nights with ease and, so far, he didn't earn shit of a heat for the way he played during Days. Virtually Tranq #2 and, for us, it's both too late and too risky to go that route again. I'd like to remind everyone that motel replaced Bass, which is a notorious lurker - motel could have easily picked up bass' meta and run with it. Bass usually flips civ more times than bad when playing his give-zero-farks game, so idk...

I'd stick to cut off a baddie head via intense lynch process right now rather than policy drive-by the phase on motel for Kubrick likelihood...

I suppose the best question for dealing with Motel is,

How close are we to LYLO?

I think DH pointed out that, if there's one team (and neutral Marsh), we'd be near farked.

If two teams, not that close, I guess?

linki: FZ. comes off frustrated, yes. Draco, at times, comes off frustrated, yes. juliets just came out frustrated. I don't sense Sorsha having been frustrated, at least not in the same way.

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Wow, you can hardly tell if I really had a 7-hour sleep, by the typos and shit grammar I allowed into that previous post...

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Ok, so what else...

Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM
Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM
Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM
Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM
Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM
Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM
Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM
Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM
Matt pushing further Dom's neutral diss on MM

(lol, says he's tired after all this)

Yeah, I can watch some tennis now. BBL

[a2thezebra]

You're coming up on 1000 for the thread Papryco.

[a2thezebra]

I mean, you're coming up on 1000 pages for the thread Papryco.

[Ricochet]

Pages?!! b(’０’)d

Yeah, my official THM record is 1,002

[a2thezebra]

1000 pages.

[Ricochet]

You are drunk and should just go back in your BTSC and tell your teamies to concede.

[a2thezebra]

You are drunk and should just go back in your BTSC and tell your teamies to concede.

People say I'm drunk all the time yet I haven't had a drink in my life what is this.

[a2thezebra]

Don't be a hater cuz you don't get the joke.

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I really don't.

[bea]

Yup rico. I totes pointed that out. And we don't know for sure the ratio of civs to baddies with positions yet. That said I've also maintained the whole way though that thinking only baddies having positions is super unlikely cuz, you know, ballance and junk.

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Yup rico. I totes pointed that out. And we don't know for sure the ratio of civs to baddies with positions yet. That said I've also maintained the whole way though that thinking only baddies having positions is super unlikely cuz, you know, ballance and junk.

Only the Monopoly bros have been revealed to counter the baddies position power, in some way, so far.

[a2thezebra]

I really don't.

Take a look at your Mac analysis, for example. Is that a post's worth of content, or a page's worth of content?

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MetalMarsh

Sparing or fighting attitude vs. the great Papryco
N0 comments on the great Papryco's rainbow lists being crock-o-shit
tells everyone to disregard the great Papryco's posts
cheers on the idea JJJ is baddie slacker
claims the great Papryco is begging for a lynch

MM - zebra
N0 some comments on zebra being adversarial or buddying
banter on zebra and b24 BTSC chatter
banter, likely: confirms zebra as town
confirms zebra as town again
rebuttal to JJJ about "confirming zebra town" (banter counter to Rico's confirmations)

MM - LoRab
N2 indirectly comments on players escaping multiple lynches turning out civilians (in reply to Llama finding LoRab's near wagon baddie-indicative)
N3 redirects Epig's comment that LoRab would prefer to be saved into comment on remembering LC mostly as bad [...??]

votes
D1 himself; then LoRab; then himself; then Rico; then sig
D2 JJJ; then himself; then JJJ again
D3 JJJ
D3.5 JJJ
D4 JJJ; then DH; then Llama
D5 JJJ; then himself; then LC; then JJJ
D6 Dom; then LC, sending him to his death
D7 MM; then Wilgy; then Boom
D8 Sorsha; then Wilgy

other notes
N0 fluff (vs. Epig, vs. Fuzz's gamechange claim, claiming himself a gamechange, etc.)
says he's Ryuk
indiscernible input
fluff (offers Wilgy tea)
takes down Rico's case on zebra and b24
sets D1 lynch priorities: Golden, MM, Turnip and Boomslang (concomittantly)
his "which team" comment - somehow pinged by JJJ's response
doesn't think he'll be lynched
banter on him and Matt being lynched together
D1 votes LoRab "for no reason"
switches to himself, when Draco asks
votes Rico for badness
suss's Mac and Fuzz as teammates
comments on mafia teams and numbers - finds two each of 4 players probable
votes sig, forget's why
banters with Daisy to vote for one of her teamies
N1 banters about brown bears
curious that Mac is telling zebra to chill, while seeming agressive himself
questions Matt on cursers being good or bad
late rebuttal to juliets: made the "which team" comment as intentional slip for fishing; suss's her for implying the mafia teams would have names; finds Jay apathetic and different, hence mafia; calls Matt too for his "team" theory suss on him
implies juliets having secret knowledge and putting the "mafia team names" info in his mouth
D2 votes JJJ; votes himself; votes JJJ again
D3 defends his D2 vote on JJJ by virtue of lazy
votes JJJ again
D3.5 asks Golden the r u bad question
banter with Wilgy on him revealing his NK intentions, in return for MM offering him ketch-up notes
inquires on FZ.
certain JJJ is mafia
cheers on Rico's suspish theory on Dom
reads FZ. civ
savours the tie chaos
suss's Golden for his tiebreaking moves
N3 blergh
D4 banters on being off the poll; reiterates gut feeling about JJJ being mafia
reads FZ's take on Ninja's D3.5 vote as indicative of Wilgy being bad
votes DH to tease Rico; votes Llama because of another tie chaos emerging
N4 rebuttal to JJJ suss
D5 claims zero thoughts on Sorsha
cheers on people lynching him
claims being neutral with no winning chances left
GTH: Wilgy, JJJ, LC, Ninja bad
semanticky rebuttal with Matt on neutral vs. indy
against states no suss on Sorsha
banter votes LC when he disses his claim
claims being a better baddie than this (not letting his team down)
feedback on his baddie games
feedback on Indy
N5 oh thank God it's only haikus
inquires FZ. on finding Tranq civ for his game, but not MM for the same
intends to vote Dom
D6 does so
claps LC's scan of HB suspicions, singling out Dom
claims interests in game and not wanting to die
posts oddball theory on HB kamikaze hiding, finds Dom bad for it
inquires LC on suspects
agrees with Rico (disagrees with DH) on FZ reminding of Death Note FZ
cheers on Boom's claim that LC should be lynched
calls Dom activity "undermining" and not hunting
in reply to juliets, says he ignored motel
mellows on suspecting LC after argument that HB trusted him
further suss and rebuttals to Dom; further talk
restates finding LC bad, but acknowledges room for doubt, given HB's civread on him
votes LC, LMAO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
N6 banter with Dom about sounding upset
reasons his vote decision: LC > Draco
claims never having had BTSC with LC
defends Draco's self-vote (referencing Death Note indy-ism)
finds Matt's Boomchecker theories reasonable
D7 votes himself
claims Mafia is killing his top suspects
votes Wilgy for DH's ideology, with no real research
breaks out neutral claim again, in frustration
rebuttals on his claim and his lynch worthiness
rebuttal on Dom's claim he's not neutral: was checked as Indy
commens on indy vs neutral difference
agrees to which Wilgy again; never does
more rebuttals with Matt over him being bad
questions DH switcherooing his votes
disappointed in motel voting him "because neutral"
N7 switches to Boom, then says he got suckered
dismisses the idea of being lynchproof
claims contributing
dismisses not offering rebuttals on distancing from Matt
exchanges again with Matt
exchanges again with Matt
claims liking chocolate
exchanges again with Matt
exchanges again with juliets over neutral vs. indy check
D8 votes Sorsha
exchanges again with juliets on not lying about his claim
switches to Wilgy
switches from finding 2-team mafia likely, to unlikely, to offering a GTH two-team read; explains connections
exchanges again with Matt
exchanges again with Matt
exchanges again with Matt
exchanges again with Matt



== Stray observations ==

== as much as MM is MM, his N1 idea of juliets' infering knowledge on the mafia teams, having names without any remote evidence of that, is a bit intriguing
== his Dom hunt and Boom cheer for LC to be lynched, D6, gives me the most heebie-jeebies. MM can be a perceptive roleclaim/rolehint reader. He could easily have deducted that Dom is getting anxious about receiving votes and he could easily want to dig LC's grave via proxy (such as Boom). This is also in sync with Dom making statements on him. If there's one Day that makes me think MM is nefarious, this is it. Add to that claiming to have ignored a motel room that savoured being ignored/ignorable throughout the game and it could sound teamie-like cold approach. Finally, MM's vote on D6 is literally "shit in your mouth" tier - he had LC as baddie, but he lend an ear to LC being confirmed civ by others, then he just blew the whole Day off. Thanks for that.
== MM gets serious over the last few Days, but his EoDs are the absolute suck. Already commented on D6. On D7, he has Wilgy as bad, then just "gets suckered in" by him. Right now, on D8, he's playing awfully safe, following others with his vote.

Ok, so MM is either bad or neutral-as-he-claims, I don't even know why an ISO was necessary for this. This being a Champions game, I wouldn't put it besides him to craft a neutral bullsuit armor, as a baddie, and try to win as many Days in his (and the team's) advantage as possible (which, if true, is so far shaping up terrifically). If people feel MM is bullsuit baddie, they should probably check for players who don't care much about the whole affair. I'm too tired to do so, right now. Conversely, you could even study the Matt-MM interactions for potential balls to the walls grand scheming. Again, it's the Championships, no devious mastertrick should be excluded as a possibility. The two of them have policy suss'd each other from the beginning of times and never stopped being obsessed about one another.

If neutral, he has banterclaimed Ryuk on N0, then probably claimed Mello with his chocolate chowchowing hints. I don't know what to say to any of this or what his role might actually incorporate, in this game version. Him voting first on numerous occasions reminds me of Death Note Ryuk. He claimed his win con is toast, then occasionally changed it to unlikely to happen. He seems to hint at getting killed, one way or another, endings his hope, so maybe that's something. I'll admit, sometimes his "I-wouldn't-play-without-a-care-in-the-world-if-I'd-have-teamies" and ocassionally frustrated outbursts ring a big of genuine to it.

As for Dom dissing his claim, my gut tells me nothing conclusive, really. MM's counter-argument(s?) themselves are so-so. He mostly says Dom read the alignment tag as "Independent", which could be true, considering that's what Epig and Llama showed up as third party themselves. But that doesn't exclude Dom also reading what the role (ability) says, in order to assess if MM is benign-neutral or shifty-indy. Furthermore, I remember MM at one point dissing that Dom might actually read alignment tags themselves, so...

Bottom line, MM is not one of us. Do I want him lynch right now? No, because him being flip-confirmed as neutral (which is likely; I'd say 70-30 or 60-40) is not in our best interest and gain at the moment. If anything, it should have happened Days ago. Do I like his "sobered up", "do you want my help", recent Days game mindset? No. Do I like that he can't help himself playing like Banterman time and again, only to afterwards crack under lynch pressure with claims and I'll-play-good stuff? No. Do I want to finish the game with him? Absolutely not. I don't trust the end result of his role being benign for the civilians, whatever he's claiming it to be. So, at one point, we'll have to deal with MM, methinks. Or maybe the mafia could. Indeed, the more Mafia lets him stick around, the more my belief in him being neutral decreases.

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Bass_the_Clever / motel room

Sparing or fighting attitude vs. the great Papryco
nada / never witnessed

motel - zebra
nada / never caught her alive

motel - LoRab
nada / votes her D3

votes
D2 votes sig, no reasoning; late vote
D3 votes LoRab, no reasoning (but opposed to JJJ lynch, at least from his posts); EoD vote
D3.5 misses vote
D4 votes DH; mid-phase vote
D5 votes Tranq, last vote to sink him
D6 misses vote
D7 votes MM (assumingly picqued by his neutral claim)
D8 votes Wilgy

other notes
D2 - ketch-up mode: comments on Rico, two Night1kills, makes his entrance
confused what D0 was about
asks sig of his vote intentions, whilst he's in top wagon
calls his vote a loose cannon
D3 calls Dom gross in attempt to frame JJJ as an appeal-to-emotion player
calls Boom icky on flipping over sig
goes back to an N0 post by Draconus which he doesn't like; also picks up on Draco keeping D1-anticipating information to himself
doesn't get JJJ wagon, finds him and Golden good, doesn't understand Golden suss'ing Sorsha
comments on Boom wagon disappearing; votes LoRab
dislikes juliets' drive-by vote
D3.5 interested in JJJ's reaction to the lynch
N3 apologetic post
posits that HB hid behind Epig; later acknowledges it being a derp post
D4 votes DH out of farking nowhere
comments on Tranq votes and Mac being in chaos mode
rebuttal on voting DH > turns into banter
D5 jumps on Tranq
D6 misses completely
D7 apologetic post
comments on neutral wins
confused by Wilgy votes
banter with DH and MM
D8 suddenly votes Wilgy



Well, this certainly feels like ISOing a blank page. He's most focused Day was probably D3.0, in which I can borderline interpret his sudden LoRab vote (baddie) as opposing the JJJ wagon. Before and afterwards, it's just wet nothing. That "huh, why is Wilgy being voted" on D7, followed by "voting Wilgy" on D8 is just hilarious - I'd actually really like it written on paper as to why you think doing this is in any way a great idea, if you're by any remote chance civ, motey.

So I'll just resort to speculations:

-- First, a reminder that he replaced Bass, a lurker extraordinaire. Most of the times, Bass can flip civ regardless of his lurkgame. That being said, he also had instances of letting his whole Mafia team down. (What a tragic story that was. )

-- motel's apologetic posts on RL are consistent, even reaching a resolution in the post he made today, lol. I don't understand, however, his investment in staying into this game or not replacing, given all this. Leaning bad agenda.

-- To whoever said it (Mac?), it is true that this doesn't resemble motel's civ game even remotely. in THM he was mislynched due to bad votes and inconsistencies, but it was after a sustained effort. I cannot say, due to hardly knowing him, if he would lurk his way into the horizon as a baddie. But I keep thinking to myself that, in case Bass drew a baddie role but replaced, either Bass or his teamies would give motel a "stay chill and fake dumb moves, it could work" memo.

-- as for last Night's event, I am feeling that he could well be confirmed as Kubrick, because:

1) for one thing, our civ surviver is already dead and I don't believe in two civ roles of the same kind. Even if motel earns a death immunity under certain role-based events (such as... idk "you must lurk your ass throughout the game. you earn a DL/NK immunity if you do so for x phases"), I don't see it as a civ role. The only variation is if he earned an immunity via a poll or something, in which case the immunity would have been up for grabs and any kind of role could have earned it.

2) I can see Kubrick or the baddie team (he's in) trying out the lurk tactic. Kubrick can survive every Night, due to us being reluctant to give him a lynch immunity by voting position 1 (and why should we, after all)? So he's got nothing to worry about during the Night phase and he's doing fine not getting the boot so far during the Day phase. Lots of win in this tactic, I should say.

-- rather than wondering who might have shot motel, I'm wondering why motel himself? If a civ vigi, did they want to sweep motel away from the game? If a baddie vigi, did they want to make a benign, no connection night kill? Sounds plausible, either way.

-- finally, if not with Kubrick's role in mind, I would argue that motel could have been protected from dying last Night. Better yet, protected himself, since staying in this, despite not playing shit, seems to be in his interest.

So 70/30 on him being Kubrick, the rest being other factors. Notable how he doesn't even care about this. Anyway, his game is completely "gross" and probably up to no good.

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Hosts: Did Ninja track strictly who targeted who or with extra info as well?

Anyway, here are names Ninja mentioned in her game. Interpret them as you will.

D2

LC (wary of him, but approving of his posts in the game). Could be a simple appreciation, though.
Matt (doesn't get what he's up to). Could be a simple wtf.
Mac (different tone than SW, can't put her finger on it, reads him defensive; nevertheless, just a tenuous suss, agrees with his vote in fact). Maybe something subtle, but here never coming back to him doesn't inspire any genuine suss or detection.
Sig (suss for floundering, flip-flopping, backtracking). Could be simple misguided sussing.

D3

LoRab (can see points made against her). Could have checked LoRab on the Night she forced positions. Her "interesting" vote for LoRab would suddenly make more sense. No more relevant at this time, of course.
JJJ (floundering under pressure, continues to like LC's arguments)

N3

Mentions looking at Dom (defensiveness, flustered tone, cornered baddie like, distrusted by HB). Could have checked him on a Night he started checking himself and make a misguided judgement.

N5

Would have insisted on Dom or Tranq, if she were able to vote.
Mentions MM in positive light (bogus, contrived case on him)
LC (intrigued by Boom's jump on him). Could be correlated with having checked LC and discovered him being active.

D7

Wilgy (agreeing with DH on finding him suss). Even votes for the fella. Could have picked up something.

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Only... one... more... to go...

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Sorsha

Sparing or fighting attitude vs. the great Papryco
N0 pinged by his antics
D1 still pinged, but not concerned much

Sorsha - zebra - Sorsha
N1 simple RIH post-NK

Sorsha - LoRab - Sorsha
N0 not finding LoRab's behaviour suspicious ("so far")
suddenly, a ditto on the suspicions on LoRab, says she's not feeling the civ LoRab, even references Mac's viewpoints, not just Epig's
develops suss on LoRab: dislikes her tone in clearing things up
D1 leans on voting LoRab; votes her
D2 votes LoRab again
D3 critical of LoRab-BR rebuttals (HB criticism, sucking up to BR)

votes
D1 LoRab; end phase vote
D2 LoRab; recurrent; end phase vote again
D3 LoRab; mid-phase, among the first with which LoRab's wagon picked up.
D3.5 guess whoo?; mid-to-end phase
D4 Tranq (temp placeholder, then permanent, punitive vote for lurky-ness)
D5 JJJ, early vote, never leaves; reasons as going back and forth, late into the phase, when asked
D6 LC (because...HB might have hidden behind him); mid-to-end phase, LC counter-wagon nowhere in sight yet

other notes
N0 acknowledges point made on Fuzz as pingworthy; hates the vocaroos; no further development
rebuttal to Epig on being superfluous in suss'ing Rico
D1 inquires Matt on his MM lynch desire
inquires if JJJ is faking his curse (references her doing it in SW)
not convinced MM is guilty of what Matt is suggesting
sticks with gut, votes LoRab
D2 banter with Rico on still not offering much to the game; rebuttals on being active around the time of deaths
D2 further justifies her LoRab suss and vote: claims getting early ping, along with others; also justifies going after Matt for crazy theories
torn between sticking with LoRab vote and going with a sig vote; picks up something about JJJ in JJJ/LC interactions; sticks with LoRab
N2 comments on Tranq's behaviour being normal, reminding of AWR
D3 keeps pressure on LoRab, agreeing with FZ on LoRab's rebuttals not being better
again, states liking LC's case on JJJ
unsure about seeing civvie Golden; later agrees with Llama on him
further rebuttals with LoRab: considers her buttering up to BR
debates and rebuttals to something concerning Fuzz's death
reiterates (to Boom) that Tranq is acting according to meta
in reply to HB, doesn't have opinion on Dom
agrees with Golden on LoRab being lynched, votes her again
rebuttal to FZ. and Golden on staying consistent in LoRab suss
tells bea to search for posts for LoRab suss, when asked
goes back to sussing Golden in talks with HB (calls his replies NO U)
simple "no" to DH calling her out for LoRab wagoning (albeit from the angle that she's saving JJJ)
D3.5 sticks with LoRab, ambivalent towards JJJ (reads him genuine this time)
further rebuttals with HB
D4 considers HB having hidden behind Epig or Draco or, overall, green/yellows
banter with Matt on his D4 "everyone post" theory;
considers players other than JJJ, vote Tranq temporarily
remains on Tranq
D5 votes JJJ right off the bat
in reply to Dom, comments on Matt's subdued game being perhaps tempered by his team
unsure why Matt asks bea about her; pinged by Matt and Dom asking the same thing, from different points, about her
upon JJJ asking, reasons her vote as LC's case being good
D6 input on who HB might have hidden behind: civ that turned out to be bad
reacts to Boom's GTH by asking him if there's only one team
doesn't read juliets civ (background meta and her vote tactics in this game)
votes LC... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
D7 reads Wilgy ok, juliets mostly ok, although second-guesses herself; shrugs to motel and blooper
agrees with Rico to look for clues in Dom's ISO
returns with half-boiled spaghetti reads of Dom's ISO, only name coming up being Ninja
doesn't want to vote Wilgy or MM
votes Boomslang, pushes him into tie
N7 what does she even mean here
spooked by Wilgy turning against here post-mislynch
inputs seemer theory on Boomslang; claims she trusted Wilgy because of
D8 defends herself
even gets testy, signaling the civs have been as crap as her
etc. etc.
Draco suss out of the blue (meta reasons)



Wowie, this is the worst-looking ISOs of them all. Even worse than Wilgys!

-- claims her LoRab ping was early and genuine, but I'm not reading it as original material; it reads more like in tune with two-three others; she even goes from dismissing what, I assume, was Mac's original jumps on LoRab, to acknowledging them
-- D2 considers sig vote why?... and based on what background reasons or suss'ing?
-- LoRab hunt throughout D1-D3 reads like a being on a highway she can't get exit anymore, for consistency's sake
-- suss's Golden a lot D3, then agrees with him on LoRab being lynched; easy, convenient momentum for a LoRab re-vote, much
-- as mentioned in the votes sections, her LoRab D3 vote started a LoRab snowball wagon.
It should be noted that all the voters before her are dead (Epig) and of all the voters that followed her, only FZ. and motel are still alive, the others dead, mostly civ (Golden, Llama, Tranq). Maybe we should combine this data with players who resisted LoRab's wagon going all the way to taking over JJJ's.
-- now, as for D3.5, it could indeed speak the best for Sorsha yet. The LoRab wagon had only the usual voters (Epig, BR) and there wasn't a feeling of a repeated D3.0 snowball, at least until the tie chaos ensued. One could still argue consistency was too important to give away, after effectively an entire game of suss'ing. I wouldn't imagine there being too many hard feelings between teamies LoRab and Sorsha, once on this path for a long time.
-- banter talk with Matt, about theories for which she called him oddball and suss on earlier phases
-- temp D4 vote on Tranq, whom she quasi-vouched for meta until that time; sticking to it can read like comfy permanent vote between players she'd knew are not bad/teamies
-- D5 votes JJJ, ok what the heck is this. The JJJ she progressively felt better about?
-- D6 votes LC, whose case for JJJ was previously "good and impossible to ignore". Augh!
to be noted that her "HB hiding" reasoning for suspecting LC was influenced by MarmotMarsh making such connections. Augh!
-- juliets D5 suss vanishes D7

for the rest, I can pretty much pick off from where I left

-- trusted Wilgy because "LC trusted he was civ". Posts, links, quotes? Still haven't received them from her.
-- D7 "didn't want to vote either Wilgy or MM" > D8 "would have picked Wilgy over MM" ay dios mio
-- claims she didn't realise Wilgy was going to switch. She voted Boom in the midst of Wilgy calling for help. good grief.

[juliets]

Ricochet, you mention on Day 7 that Sorsha gives up her suspicion on me from Day 5 yet on Day 5 you don't say anything about a suspicion of me. What gives? Also, are you saying Sorsha's maintained suspicion of Lorab was a bus?

[Ricochet]

Ricochet, you mention on Day 7 that Sorsha gives up her suspicion on me from Day 5 yet on Day 5 you don't say anything about a suspicion of me. What gives? Also, are you saying Sorsha's maintained suspicion of Lorab was a bus?

Sorry, that was suspicion on Day 6, then flip on Day 7.

Despite this mistake, does it matter, though? It's an flip-flop ... on you.



Also, yes, I see it very likely for Sorsha to have primarily distanced, then bussed LoRab when it was the most consistent thing she could have resorted to.

[juliets]

Ricochet, you mention on Day 7 that Sorsha gives up her suspicion on me from Day 5 yet on Day 5 you don't say anything about a suspicion of me. What gives? Also, are you saying Sorsha's maintained suspicion of Lorab was a bus?

Sorry, that was suspicion on Day 6, then flip on Day 7.

Despite this mistake, does it matter, though? It's an flip-flop ... on you.



Also, yes, I see it very likely for Sorsha to have primarily distanced, then bussed LoRab when it was the most consistent thing she could have resorted to.

Ok Day 6. Yes, I understand its a flip flop on me I just noticed the discrepancy when I read through and wanted to make sure what the right sequence was. Just because I question it doesn't mean I see it as bad, though often that is the case, just not here.

[Ricochet]

Forgot the scroller in there and the music volume is too low, but fug it.

[Ricochet]

Ricochet, you mention on Day 7 that Sorsha gives up her suspicion on me from Day 5 yet on Day 5 you don't say anything about a suspicion of me. What gives? Also, are you saying Sorsha's maintained suspicion of Lorab was a bus?

Sorry, that was suspicion on Day 6, then flip on Day 7.

Despite this mistake, does it matter, though? It's an flip-flop ... on you.



Also, yes, I see it very likely for Sorsha to have primarily distanced, then bussed LoRab when it was the most consistent thing she could have resorted to.

Ok Day 6. Yes, I understand its a flip flop on me I just noticed the discrepancy when I read through and wanted to make sure what the right sequence was. Just because I question it doesn't mean I see it as bad, though often that is the case, just not here.

[Matt]

Wilgy, juliets, bea, hell Rico even since he just made jokes about it...

Can you all please tell Dom to fuck off? You forgot to do that when you posted and completely ignored my MM case based on Dom, the rolechecker's, abilities. Thanks!

Wilgy - I think it's possible either you or Drac is bad. At one point, looking over Dom's ISO, he even asks you "So are you and your btsc mates concerned about something with JJJ/Tranq?" after you asked a question about 3J/Tranq. However, he doesn't seem to pursue you at all, not like he does MM. As for Drac, we should probably call him the talking version of motel. He literally does nothing but votes. And his "vote self lulz just kidding, unvote self" along with MM switching his vote last second makes me think they could be bad together.

Oh sorry, forgot, fuck off Dom.

Hey Dom, please never play again. Nobody cares what you have to say. Thanks.

[Marmot]

Did you read Rico's ISO Matt? You should probably be telling him to fuck off.

[Marmot]

@Rico, not a big deal, but my Day 1 vote ended on Jay.

[Matt]

Did you read Rico's ISO Matt? You should probably be telling him to fuck off.

Which reminds me...

Town, Rico's totes right. Me and MM going at each other is totes us grand scheming and bussing/distancing.

So please vote him. Thank you.

[DrWilgy]

I'm ashamed I didn't consider the Kubrick thing until now. I'm surprised nobody made the connection now that I think about it...

Whoa, me too. I mean, yesterday morning I missread the Host Post thinking it was a fake modkill one. But the post definitely hints at motel surviving one.

Thoughts about Motel,
1. We shouldn't have let him lurk this long.
2. If he is Kubrick, who shot at him?
3. If he is Kubrick and it was a civvie role that shot at him, I would think that someone would've pointed out a possible Kubrick connection much earlier in the phase.

Thoughts about Kubrick,
It's kinda odd that Kubrick was revealed right as JJJ was upto the lynching block, and we haven't since received any other random baddie roles. I've began to have my doubts that Kubrick existed in the first place because of this.

1. o rly
Yes plz
2. Someone with a vigi kill. Someone (bea?) pointed out that N6 was a position 2 winner and we've never been on that one before. Of course, mostly only baddies have had positions, so it would hint at one of them being enabled another kill -- this could enhance the two teams theory. Then again, the kill could equally be a night poll prize, on a Night in which many people got dunked on with curses and shit. In which case, anyone could have shot at him.
3. True, but it's not the only explanation. If a civvie shot at him, but couldn't make the Kubrick connection, why would he start leaving crumbs? Maybe a mafia shot at him (position 2 enabled) and motel would be Kubrick, wouldn't the mafia vigi, if on a different team, equally want him gone? If a mafia shot at him (position 2 enabled), what if someone simply protected motel? What if motel protected himself? He only cares about himself, after all..
This makes sense, Motel is the type of player that won't ever be happy. I don't like thinking about the potential of there being two teams.

Yes, the theory that the baddies self-revealed Kubrick to smear JJJ has been said before, and it's not a bad theory, except I don't get how they'd be allowed to reveal a role without any actual role-revealing powers. I'm not tempted to give credit to stuff that would happen outside the game's design (roles, abilities, powers). As a Host, I would definitely not allow design bypasses, just for the convenience of a faction.
What about a broadcaster role serving the baddies? I wouldn't put it out of the realm of existence this game. The main reason for me to think that this is the case is that we haven't received any other random role drops. Seeing that this role drop's best purpose would be to incriminate JJJ, It had to be baddie shenanigans. Why would baddie shenanigans be real? If it was baddie shenanigans, would they reveal a real role? I feel that there's too many open questions that could be answered with "baddie shenanigans"

Let not get carried away with Kubrick not existing, though. The only corrupter / fabricator we've seen so far is zebra. I require evidence or basic plausibility of a baddie role that says "make shit up" existing in this game.

As for motel being Kubrick, it's quite likely. The role would essentially allow him to skate through Nights with ease and, so far, he didn't earn shit of a heat for the way he played during Days. Virtually Tranq #2 and, for us, it's both too late and too risky to go that route again. I'd like to remind everyone that motel replaced Bass, which is a notorious lurker - motel could have easily picked up bass' meta and run with it. Bass usually flips civ more times than bad when playing his give-zero-farks game, so idk...

I'd stick to cut off a baddie head via intense lynch process right now rather than policy drive-by the phase on motel for Kubrick likelihood...

I suppose the best question for dealing with Motel is,

How close are we to LYLO?

I think DH pointed out that, if there's one team (and neutral Marsh), we'd be near farked.

If two teams, not that close, I guess?

linki: FZ. comes off frustrated, yes. Draco, at times, comes off frustrated, yes. juliets just came out frustrated. I don't sense Sorsha having been frustrated, at least not in the same way.

Let me look and compare the tones.

I think I'm about 50/50 on Motel being Kubrick, I agree that we are too deep and should get a baddie before risking taking out the lurker.

[Ricochet]

@Rico, not a big deal, but my Day 1 vote ended on Jay.

That you did. That was a test and you passed.

Must have scrolled over, whilst watching tennis.

[Ricochet]

What about a broadcaster role serving the baddies? I wouldn't put it out of the realm of existence this game. The main reason for me to think that this is the case is that we haven't received any other random role drops. Seeing that this role drop's best purpose would be to incriminate JJJ, It had to be baddie shenanigans. Why would baddie shenanigans be real? If it was baddie shenanigans, would they reveal a real role? I feel that there's too many open questions that could be answered with "baddie shenanigans"

What's a "broadcaster role" and also what's a "role serving the baddies"?

Also, how about Kubrick's reveal being due to one of BR's pikmins?

[Marmot]

== Stray observations ==

== as much as MM is MM, his N1 idea of juliets' infering knowledge on the mafia teams, having names without any remote evidence of that, is a bit intriguing
== his Dom hunt and Boom cheer for LC to be lynched, D6, gives me the most heebie-jeebies. MM can be a perceptive roleclaim/rolehint reader. He could easily have deducted that Dom is getting anxious about receiving votes and he could easily want to dig LC's grave via proxy (such as Boom). This is also in sync with Dom making statements on him. If there's one Day that makes me think MM is nefarious, this is it. Add to that claiming to have ignored a motel room that savoured being ignored/ignorable throughout the game and it could sound teamie-like cold approach. Finally, MM's vote on D6 is literally "shit in your mouth" tier - he had LC as baddie, but he lend an ear to LC being confirmed civ by others, then he just blew the whole Day off. Thanks for that.
== MM gets serious over the last few Days, but his EoDs are the absolute suck. Already commented on D6. On D7, he has Wilgy as bad, then just "gets suckered in" by him. Right now, on D8, he's playing awfully safe, following others with his vote.

Ok, so MM is either bad or neutral-as-he-claims, I don't even know why an ISO was necessary for this. This being a Champions game, I wouldn't put it besides him to craft a neutral bullsuit armor, as a baddie, and try to win as many Days in his (and the team's) advantage as possible (which, if true, is so far shaping up terrifically). If people feel MM is bullsuit baddie, they should probably check for players who don't care much about the whole affair. I'm too tired to do so, right now. Conversely, you could even study the Matt-MM interactions for potential balls to the walls grand scheming. Again, it's the Championships, no devious mastertrick should be excluded as a possibility. The two of them have policy suss'd each other from the beginning of times and never stopped being obsessed about one another.

If neutral, he has banterclaimed Ryuk on N0, then probably claimed Mello with his chocolate chowchowing hints. I don't know what to say to any of this or what his role might actually incorporate, in this game version. Him voting first on numerous occasions reminds me of Death Note Ryuk. He claimed his win con is toast, then occasionally changed it to unlikely to happen. He seems to hint at getting killed, one way or another, endings his hope, so maybe that's something. I'll admit, sometimes his "I-wouldn't-play-without-a-care-in-the-world-if-I'd-have-teamies" and ocassionally frustrated outbursts ring a big of genuine to it.

As for Dom dissing his claim, my gut tells me nothing conclusive, really. MM's counter-argument(s?) themselves are so-so. He mostly says Dom read the alignment tag as "Independent", which could be true, considering that's what Epig and Llama showed up as third party themselves. But that doesn't exclude Dom also reading what the role (ability) says, in order to assess if MM is benign-neutral or shifty-indy. Furthermore, I remember MM at one point dissing that Dom might actually read alignment tags themselves, so...

Bottom line, MM is not one of us. Do I want him lynch right now? No, because him being flip-confirmed as neutral (which is likely; I'd say 70-30 or 60-40) is not in our best interest and gain at the moment. If anything, it should have happened Days ago. Do I like his "sobered up", "do you want my help", recent Days game mindset? No. Do I like that he can't help himself playing like Banterman time and again, only to afterwards crack under lynch pressure with claims and I'll-play-good stuff? No. Do I want to finish the game with him? Absolutely not. I don't trust the end result of his role being benign for the civilians, whatever he's claiming it to be. So, at one point, we'll have to deal with MM, methinks. Or maybe the mafia could. Indeed, the more Mafia lets him stick around, the more my belief in him being neutral decreases.

1) The vote was tied between Draco and Long Con. As exciting as Day 3 was, I'm not a fan of ties, so I broke it.

2) Matt thinks I'm on a team with Draco. Mac thinks I'm on a team with Matt. Those are the only offers anyone has presented. But at the same time, Mac has shown little interest in lynching Matt, and Matt to Draco.

3) You're almost there, stay determined. (I'm not Ryuk)

4) This may sound convenient to you and everyone else, but we can't see Richard Rogers' role description either.

[Ricochet]

This may sound convenient to you and everyone else, but we can't see Richard Rogers' role description either.

Uh, we can see some of it. Are you implying you're all [Secrets]? If so, how can you be benign-neutral? [Secrets], especially on an indy, would imply bad voodoo.

[Marmot]

This may sound convenient to you and everyone else, but we can't see Richard Rogers' role description either.

Uh, we can see some of it. Are you implying you're all [Secrets]? If so, how can you be benign-neutral? [Secrets], especially on an indy, would imply bad voodoo.

[Ricochet]

This may sound convenient to you and everyone else, but we can't see Richard Rogers' role description either.

Uh, we can see some of it. Are you implying you're all [Secrets]? If so, how can you be benign-neutral? [Secrets], especially on an indy, would imply bad voodoo.

Well, I still don't trust you, [Secrets]Guy.

[Marmot]

This may sound convenient to you and everyone else, but we can't see Richard Rogers' role description either.

Uh, we can see some of it. Are you implying you're all [Secrets]? If so, how can you be benign-neutral? [Secrets], especially on an indy, would imply bad voodoo.

Well, I still don't trust you, [Secrets]Guy.

I don't blame you for that.

But at least I don't have the ability to kill.

[Ricochet]

This may sound convenient to you and everyone else, but we can't see Richard Rogers' role description either.

Uh, we can see some of it. Are you implying you're all [Secrets]? If so, how can you be benign-neutral? [Secrets], especially on an indy, would imply bad voodoo.

Well, I still don't trust you, [Secrets]Guy.

I don't blame you for that.

But at least I don't have the ability to kill.

But you do seem to have the ability to keep chocolate away from me.

I want it, I need it, to make me feel heated!

[Ricochet]

I didn't pick on Matt being that scumsky, what's your angle, MM?

[DrWilgy]

Just caught up on a few pages.....

Not finding LoRab's behavior this game suspicious... So far anyway.

The point on Fuzz is a little ping worthy atm, something I'll keep in mind for day one.

Stop with the vocaroo. This is not a vocaroo Mafia.

I have no new suspicions to speak of right now, watching a few more recent developments before I weigh in though.

//Shift 1

Ditto in the LoRab suspishion! I'm at work right now and can't make the post I want to atm but it goes back to the post about roles that Mac had issue with up to the points epi made here. Not feeling like the civ LoRab I'm used to.

Ok I snuck a little time in here for my LoRab posts.

So that's 2 (I think, may have missed another) folks who have said they were one of the roles named in the prior game. Perhaps the game roles are the roles that people had in the game in which they won? Not necessarily the same powers/alignments (I'm still not necessarily thinking these are the same) but the same role names? Can anyone else say if they were one of the roles in this poll?

So this is the post that started my suspicion of you LoRab. I did have to read through it more than once to actually understand what you meant here. I think your posts are usually well thought out, easy to follow and I can pretty much see what you mean or how you came to your conclusions. This post isn't so much like that. After reading it a second time I could figure out what I think you meant, but its not really as clear as I'd expect some theory from you to be.

So that's 2 (I think, may have missed another) folks who have said they were one of the roles named in the prior game. Perhaps the game roles are the roles that people had in the game in which they won? Not necessarily the same powers/alignments (I'm still not necessarily thinking these are the same) but the same role names? Can anyone else say if they were one of the roles in this poll?

Wouldn't you know the answer to this Lorab? Are you a role that you have been before?

//Holds suspicion based on tone

I read your response LoRab (not quoting because it is so huge) you always have a way of making things seem so rational and I usually can be swayed to see things how you see them. I'm going to stick with my gut for today though and vote for you.

I've not had enough time (and won't before poll closes) to catch up over the past few pages but I'll be able to over the weekend and hopefully have some stronger suspicions then.

votes LoRab

//Votes LoRab while behind

I'll just say that based on A World Reborn, I'm not seeing a different LoRab this game. Her argument with Rico seems reasonable and in line with what I've seen from others, even though I disagree (regarding rainbows and coin flips and other silliness). Epi went hard after her and started that wagon from what I can tell, but it's really based on LoRab having a safer/waffley tone. I'm ambivalent on that case. I also don't like Sorsha's post against LoRab, basically saying LoRab made a confusing post and that LoRab is usually clear. The subject matter (day 0/the poll/old roles) seemed inherently a little confusing and I don't see Sorsha's attack there as reasonable, and that pings me a bit more because during Talking Heads, Sorsha was one of the players I found myself agreeing with more strongly. During A World Reborn, Sorsha also used Matt's predilection towards wild/confusing theories against him; different target, different case, but together I think Sorsha doesn't look good.

I'll read more on LoRab in a bit, but not really liking that as an alternative to Rico.

I have to admit I'm not the greatest at reading LoRab right off the bat in a game nor do I usually get a ping from her this early, but I did, and along with what other players noticed about her I think a vote for her was justified, especially for day one. Normally I wouldn't go after Matt for his crazy theories because that's normal Matt but in a world reborn we needed to lynch civvies so I did what I had to do there. That wasn't something that happened on day one either... That was endgame. The issue I have/had with LoRab wasn't about some crazy theory she's trying to pass off either so i don't really see how these two situations relate. LoRab pinged me because it seemed like an off post from her.

-quote not included states almost the same thing
//LoRab vote was a META thing
//Slight Shift - Shift 1.2

I'm torn between sticking with my LoRab vote and going with a sig vote. I've only had time to read over everything else a little bit.

With regards to jjj/LC- looking over jjj's interactions with zebra I wasn't really seeing all the connections LC was but there were a few things pointed out that that did seem odd. I don't have time to go dig them up before eod to see if those points were addressed already though so I wouldn't feel comfortable voting jjj today.

I think I'll just stick to my LoRab vote for today. I'm fine seeing sig go too but I have nothing to add to the case and haven't read anything in depth so

//Sticks with LoRab, ok with Sig
//Shift 1.6

A question for LoRab before I go back and do what I said I would do... What do you think of HB defending you?

Just finished reading up. Will answer this before I go off to sleep. Will answer other things tomorrow. But this is a direct question and came at the end (I may have cut and copied a bunch of quotes to paste into a window to respond to during my read, and then forgot I did, and cut and pasted something else and lost that entire thing).

Quite honestly, I find it suspicious. I think your suspicion of me is misguided but honest. I believe that you honestly think that I'm bad--it's not like you to make that up. And you wouldn't do that against me. I think those points are BS. I know that you're wrong. But I think that it's coming from the right place. You may be bad, but your suspicion of me isn't evidence of that.

HB's posts, though, they feel like they're sucking up. He's being too nice about it, if that makes sense. And it's not like he knows me well enough to know how to read me. The more he defends me, the less good I feel about it. A civ, I think, wouldn't defend another civ that strongly because it would put targets on both of them. A baddie would defend a civ to gain credit. So, yeah, it makes me increasingly uneasy about him.

Unlike BR, this post actually makes me trust you less than I did before. This is exactly the kind of answer I'd expect a baddie to give when asked such a question. I've strongly defended players I believed were good, so many times, that I don't know why it should make you feel bad about him. I don't even think he's defending you that strongly. He's just asking questions and trying to look elsewhere. But your reaction just feels like you thought what would look best in the eyes of others and that's what you came up with. Does not feel genuine to me.

I agree. I don't like this post by LoRab either.

LoRab- why would HB need to "suck up" to you? Have you guys played together so much that he would see you as an influence that he'd want to get on your good side in this game? I thought the only other game you've been in together was a world reborn.

What this post sounds like to me is you sucking up to BR in hopes that she will change her mind and stop suspecting you.

In other news.. I'm not going to quote it because it was really big, but I like the case that LC made on jjj. I've been shit at keeping up with the game but I remember agreeing with it when LC brought it up after zebra was killed and I'm not sure if I said anything at the time about it.

I'm not really sure I'm seeing civvie golden here either but I need to go back over his posts before I'm solid on that suspicion. His signature has that quote about civvie golden being a hurricane of self assurance and that is not what I'm seeing from him.

//Questions LoRab, shifts to Golden suspicion. Current suspicion of LoRab not stated.
//Shift 2

@Lorab- so he really has no reason to be trying to suck up to you. We agree on that then. So what's his deal? It crossed my mind that maybe he has a role win condition similar to in Dune. In Dune I won if certain players who voted a certain option in the day 0 poll survived to the end (or maybe they just had to win the game I'd have to check) So I'm considering that maybe that's what HB is up to but that doesn't have anything to do with my suspicion of you.

You say that you do try to butter up players that you think are civ which is what I think you were trying to do with black rock.

Golden successfully got fuzz nked by putting a target on his back but it hasn't seemed to work between HB and you. Perhaps you and HB are on opposing baddie teams is why?

//No longer seeing suspicion from Sorsha about LoRab
//Shift 2.5

I'd actually be ok seeing Sorsha or LoRab lynched.

I agree with 50% of this statement. Voting LoRab again.

Suspicion placed back on LoRab, seems forced by Golden's statement.
//Shift 2.7

No i didnt. I've discussed things and I've discussed players up for vote right now. I've been suspicious of LoRab and I've stated why.

//Claims the LoRab suspicion never wavered
//Shift 3.7

Dem switcheroos.

LoRab just received four votes in the last 10 minutes.

Do you think some one is being saved? And who?

//This one seems important, If the LoRab wagon was formed to save someone, that would clearly contradict Sorsha thinking LoRab is scum, rather the person being saved.
//Shift 4.0

I voted for LoRab yesterday and was ambivalent about jjj getting lynched. I voted LoRab today and am leaning more towards not wanting jjj lynched because his posts today seem to be genuine/civ. Still catching up in bits and pieces here.

//Back on S.S. LoRab
//Shift 4.1

Am I the only one who thinks its weird that there were 8 votes on LoRab yesterday and only 2 of those players have voted her way today?

LoRab
8
Epignosis (6), Sorsha (15), Golden (16), thellama73 (18), JaggedJimmyJay (19), Tranq (20), FZ. (21), motel room (26) 30%

//Points out an oddity towards LoRab, is this a soft defense?

And that's it. After looking at Sorsha's interactions with LoRab, I can see Rico's theory as being correct. Sorsha bussing LoRab due to pressure of consistency from both Golden and FZ makes sense. Sorsha seemed to waver even towards the end of LoRab's life.

Comparing the tones of "frustrated civs" from what I stated earlier to Sorsha, and I can still see it. Sorsha's frustration shows here:

I voted boomslang... This is a messed up lynch

and increases from this point onward.

The thing that's odd is that I can read her frustration as both civ and baddie. Her being bad would answer for alot of her recent actions. Actions I don't think a civ would do.

The kicker is that I doubt that Sorsha and Drac are on a team... While I can see them both as being baddies, they are most definitely not on the same team. I'm very skeptical about there being two teams still, but that would explain their interaction.

[DrWilgy]

What about a broadcaster role serving the baddies? I wouldn't put it out of the realm of existence this game. The main reason for me to think that this is the case is that we haven't received any other random role drops. Seeing that this role drop's best purpose would be to incriminate JJJ, It had to be baddie shenanigans. Why would baddie shenanigans be real? If it was baddie shenanigans, would they reveal a real role? I feel that there's too many open questions that could be answered with "baddie shenanigans"

What's a "broadcaster role" and also what's a "role serving the baddies"?

Also, how about Kubrick's reveal being due to one of BR's pikmins?

Broadcaster role is how I've seen roles that send public anonymous messages through the hosts be described.
A role serving the baddies is a baddie's role!

Is there a pikmin theory? I don't know about it.

[Matt]

Well my MM suss is officially going to stop now. Nobody gives a hoot. Congrats MM! Congrats town on letting him slide. In fact, even if players decide to vote for him today, I won't be. Cuz he's totes neutral, and Dom can go have sex with a pigeon. Why did I type this? Pretty sure because nobody is reading my posts. I wonder if I say I'm the reincarnation of Elvis, if people will even notice.

Derp.

Switching to Drac. Yeah yeah, "Matt is totes on a team with Wilgy/Sorsha". Or rather, I will not be voting anywhere MM does for the remainder of the game. Dom, please stop having sex with that pigeon.

[Ricochet]

What about a broadcaster role serving the baddies? I wouldn't put it out of the realm of existence this game. The main reason for me to think that this is the case is that we haven't received any other random role drops. Seeing that this role drop's best purpose would be to incriminate JJJ, It had to be baddie shenanigans. Why would baddie shenanigans be real? If it was baddie shenanigans, would they reveal a real role? I feel that there's too many open questions that could be answered with "baddie shenanigans"

What's a "broadcaster role" and also what's a "role serving the baddies"?

Also, how about Kubrick's reveal being due to one of BR's pikmins?

Broadcaster role is how I've seen roles that send public anonymous messages through the hosts be described.
A role serving the baddies is a baddie's role!

Is there a pikmin theory? I don't know about it.

Oh, a messenger. Well, at least here, he wouldn't be able to send role reveals as a message.

Captain Olimar - Pikmin CIVVIE
Each Night, Olimar receives clues to a pikmin's location on the website. The more pikmin that he gathers, the more powerful Olimar becomes. Pikmin disappear once their ability is used by Olimar. Once Olimar dies, any Pikmin not gathered by Olimar can be found by anyone. Olimar will not be told what each pikmin does until he finds them, and some pikmin will gain power if used in conjunction with each other.

[Ricochet]

Wilgy, when I meant frustration, I meant a frustrated rant or outburst, that would create the impression of a genuine civ at its limits of handling suss on him or trying to fight the windmills. FZ. had such moments, MM had a moment (albeit for him, it's about being acknowledged as neutral), even Draco had some F U moments.

Sorsha being all "this lynch phase is so hard" doesn't fit the description above, at least for me.

[DrWilgy]

What about a broadcaster role serving the baddies? I wouldn't put it out of the realm of existence this game. The main reason for me to think that this is the case is that we haven't received any other random role drops. Seeing that this role drop's best purpose would be to incriminate JJJ, It had to be baddie shenanigans. Why would baddie shenanigans be real? If it was baddie shenanigans, would they reveal a real role? I feel that there's too many open questions that could be answered with "baddie shenanigans"

What's a "broadcaster role" and also what's a "role serving the baddies"?

Also, how about Kubrick's reveal being due to one of BR's pikmins?

Broadcaster role is how I've seen roles that send public anonymous messages through the hosts be described.
A role serving the baddies is a baddie's role!

Is there a pikmin theory? I don't know about it.

Oh, a messenger. Well, at least here, he wouldn't be able to send role reveals as a message.

Captain Olimar - Pikmin CIVVIE
Each Night, Olimar receives clues to a pikmin's location on the website. The more pikmin that he gathers, the more powerful Olimar becomes. Pikmin disappear once their ability is used by Olimar. Once Olimar dies, any Pikmin not gathered by Olimar can be found by anyone. Olimar will not be told what each pikmin does until he finds them, and some pikmin will gain power if used in conjunction with each other.

I don't know how sure of that you should be Rico, in Star Wars mafia I was able to send fake messages of whatever I wanted to anyone with the only restriction of no double targeting. I was able to convince everyone I was a poisoning 3rd party this way.

I looked over BR day 3.5-night 4, and I don't see any crumbs nor indicators from her regarding Olimar being the cause of Kubrick's reveal. If BR was responsible, I would think that she would've at least mentioned Kubrick once.

[DrWilgy]

An example of the PM that could've been sent is this:

Hey SVS can you format this and send this message to the thread:
A role has been revealed!
Stanley Kubrick, A BADDIE: On Position 1, cannot be lynched. On any other position, cannot be night killed

At least that's how I formatted my messages in Star Wars.

[Ricochet]

What about a broadcaster role serving the baddies? I wouldn't put it out of the realm of existence this game. The main reason for me to think that this is the case is that we haven't received any other random role drops. Seeing that this role drop's best purpose would be to incriminate JJJ, It had to be baddie shenanigans. Why would baddie shenanigans be real? If it was baddie shenanigans, would they reveal a real role? I feel that there's too many open questions that could be answered with "baddie shenanigans"

What's a "broadcaster role" and also what's a "role serving the baddies"?

Also, how about Kubrick's reveal being due to one of BR's pikmins?

Broadcaster role is how I've seen roles that send public anonymous messages through the hosts be described.
A role serving the baddies is a baddie's role!

Is there a pikmin theory? I don't know about it.

Oh, a messenger. Well, at least here, he wouldn't be able to send role reveals as a message.

Captain Olimar - Pikmin CIVVIE
Each Night, Olimar receives clues to a pikmin's location on the website. The more pikmin that he gathers, the more powerful Olimar becomes. Pikmin disappear once their ability is used by Olimar. Once Olimar dies, any Pikmin not gathered by Olimar can be found by anyone. Olimar will not be told what each pikmin does until he finds them, and some pikmin will gain power if used in conjunction with each other.

I don't know how sure of that you should be Rico, in Star Wars mafia I was able to send fake messages of whatever I wanted to anyone with the only restriction of no double targeting. I was able to convince everyone I was a poisoning 3rd party this way.

I looked over BR day 3.5-night 4, and I don't see any crumbs nor indicators from her regarding Olimar being the cause of Kubrick's reveal. If BR was responsible, I would think that she would've at least mentioned Kubrick once.

My best role ever was sending fake messages. But no, fake messaging a person =/= role revealing the entire class. Wait, what do you mean, convince "everyone"? At the same time?

Also, . Maybe she just did her part and that was that.