Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

#6651

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm not at all upset.

I think I have found a baddie, and want to discuss this idea.

I recommend you diversify your baddie search.

#6652

juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm not at all upset.

I think I have found a baddie, and want to discuss this idea.
If you think it's me you are wrong. The role checker for god's sake said I was civ. I don't understand why you would think a gut feel that calls for NOT VOTING FOR YOU is some kind of baddie move.

Dom bothered to add you to his list of players with unsubstantiated claims against him.

Linki:

#6653

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
juliets wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm not at all upset.

I think I have found a baddie, and want to discuss this idea.
If you think it's me you are wrong. The role checker for god's sake said I was civ. I don't understand why you would think a gut feel that calls for NOT VOTING FOR YOU is some kind of baddie move.
Dom bothered to add you to his list of players with unsubstantiated claims against him.

Linki:

He was talking to me not about me. He was talking about ninju because of the question I had just asked. Scroll up and you will see it. You can tell he's talking to me also because he says "Juliets, xyz". That's Juliets comma then the content.

#6654

#6655

So let me get this straight. Your entire case is juliets thinks you are a bad indy... is there anything other than that at all?

#6656

MacDougall wrote:So let me get this straight. Your entire case is juliets thinks you are a bad indy... is there anything other than that at all?

I actually do not currently have a case.

#6657

MM, if you're not a baddie, you are spoonfeeding the mafia reasons to push for your wagon toDay. Reconfigure your strategy.

#6658

Sorsha wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Anybody curious why Sorsha seems to think being off the poll means she can not contribute anything to the discussion?
You're convinced I'm bad so why would anything I have to say mean anything to you?

I could be convinced to vote for almost anyone at this point. Draco and motel being higher on the list... I'm almost inclined to follow matts vote for mm but I'm not sure I trust Matt either. Matt could be right about the Dom/mm thing and just be on the opposite team though. I still think Mac is civ, despite his defense of wilgy, although I think it's kinda weird how easy Mac has been on Matt this game.

Avoiding offering legitimate thoughts/suspicions so as not to tip your hat as to who your (additional) teammates are. Confirmed.

#6659

Ricochet wrote:MM, if you're not a baddie, you are spoonfeeding the mafia reasons to push for your wagon toDay. Reconfigure your strategy.

GTFO. Juliets' reasoning is flawed no matter how you look at it.

There's also this thing where juliets is still alive while being a "confirmed civ" for 5 days while players like nijuukyugou are dead.

#6660

MacDougall wrote:I find it strange that only now is Metalmarsh drawing an OMGUS line in the sand. I think juliets is totally onto something.

How is it that juliets is "on to something" when Matt has been on to this something for days now? Matt made at least one lengthy post about mm being bad.... But now juliets has a point?

#6661

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:MM, if you're not a baddie, you are spoonfeeding the mafia reasons to push for your wagon toDay. Reconfigure your strategy.
GTFO. Juliets' reasoning is flawed no matter how you look at it.

There's also this thing where juliets is still alive while being a "confirmed civ" for 5 days while players like nijuukyugou are dead.

You wanna put the nail in JC's coffin then the burden of proof is on you buddy.

#6662

DharmaHelper wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:MM, if you're not a baddie, you are spoonfeeding the mafia reasons to push for your wagon toDay. Reconfigure your strategy.
GTFO. Juliets' reasoning is flawed no matter how you look at it.

There's also this thing where juliets is still alive while being a "confirmed civ" for 5 days while players like nijuukyugou are dead.
You wanna put the nail in JC's coffin then the burden of proof is on you buddy.

Every time I think I'm onto something, I get kicked in the face by 50 horses at the same time.

#6663

DharmaHelper wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Anybody curious why Sorsha seems to think being off the poll means she can not contribute anything to the discussion?
You're convinced I'm bad so why would anything I have to say mean anything to you?

I could be convinced to vote for almost anyone at this point. Draco and motel being higher on the list... I'm almost inclined to follow matts vote for mm but I'm not sure I trust Matt either. Matt could be right about the Dom/mm thing and just be on the opposite team though. I still think Mac is civ, despite his defense of wilgy, although I think it's kinda weird how easy Mac has been on Matt this game.
Avoiding offering legitimate thoughts/suspicions so as not to tip your hat as to who your (additional) teammates are. Confirmed.

No actually I wasn't around because I was working third shift last night and sleeping today. I don't have all the time in the world to be responding to each post in this thread 24 hours a day like some people do.

All you did in this post was read my first line and skip the rest.

#6664

Sorsha wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I find it strange that only now is Metalmarsh drawing an OMGUS line in the sand. I think juliets is totally onto something.
How is it that juliets is "on to something" when Matt has been on to this something for days now? Matt made at least one lengthy post about mm being bad.... But now juliets has a point?

juliets has raised his hackles with her bad indy theory which is totally different to Matt's.

#6665

Sorsha wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Anybody curious why Sorsha seems to think being off the poll means she can not contribute anything to the discussion?
You're convinced I'm bad so why would anything I have to say mean anything to you?

I could be convinced to vote for almost anyone at this point. Draco and motel being higher on the list... I'm almost inclined to follow matts vote for mm but I'm not sure I trust Matt either. Matt could be right about the Dom/mm thing and just be on the opposite team though. I still think Mac is civ, despite his defense of wilgy, although I think it's kinda weird how easy Mac has been on Matt this game.
Avoiding offering legitimate thoughts/suspicions so as not to tip your hat as to who your (additional) teammates are. Confirmed.
No actually I wasn't around because I was working third shift last night and sleeping today. I don't have all the time in the world to be responding to each post in this thread 24 hours a day like some people do.

All you did in this post was read my first line and skip the rest.

Nope, I read the whole post.

To recap:

- You could be convinced to vote for anyone. Anyone.
- Draco and Motel (two of the most popular opinions) are high on your list. Cool.
- You wanna follow Matt's lead, but you also think Matt Might be bad
- You think Mac is civ, but you also think its weird he's gone easy on Matt.

Literally everyone you bring up, you cover both bases.

#6666

DharmaHelper wrote:What I'm seeing is a Wilgy/Sorsha/bea Trio makes more sense than Mac/Wlgy/Sorsha but that's just me.

Except I'm not bad. That's the problem. You can look at me. And you should. I know I've done questionable things. I'm a crap player but I'm a crap civ player.

I trusted lc when I did because I did. I defended him as much as I could given my time retraints. I honestly thought wigly was civ. I'm sorry I didn't have the faith in dh that I should have. It is what it is.

I have a hard time seeing Mac as bad for similar reasons I had a hard time seeing wigly as bad. I could be wrong again, but I don't really want to be.

#6667

If you'll recall, on Night 0, Rico made an absurd case that Zeebs and B24 were partners because they posted closely together in the thread (or some such nonsense)...

Observe Marmot's posts on this night...which is far more then a simple joke post that says "confirmed town" as he claims...

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Later...responding to another of Rico's susses that Zebra is bad...

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More arguing with Rico over Zebra...

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Later, we see MM taking another approach, kind of mocking Rico's idea...

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Next we have zebra and MM mocking Rico together...

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More aid to zebra...

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Oh. But you know what's really funny? When Rico switches his attention to 3J for absolutely no reason, here's MM's response...

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The following is the post MM defends on when questioned about this where he says "I was just being jokey with Rico cuz he called zebra confirmed scum"...yet it's so much more then just this post which we can all plainly see above...

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And again...

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And...again...

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Lulz. Here's one where he defends Zebra from Mac attack...(not even, just a sussy face as far as I can tell)...

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#6668

I was trying to get lynched Day 1. Using my behavior from that day phase (Day 0 as well) is not a fair accusation.

#6669

Those Zebra defence posts are particularly fucked. I bet Marsh's neutral claim was to cover his tracks for his outward claim of Zebra. One gambit to cloud another gambit.

I do declare that Marsh now has my vote. Kek.

#6670

Anyway, question...

Why does a neutral go out of his way to defend anyone on Night 0?

MM claims he was also trying to get lynched that day, but how??? He was out there defending people, how is that supposed to get him lynched?

Check out the following interaction...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Zebra and Metalmarsh89

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a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:To be fair, I think I have only ever voted for you once, and that was in a game where I was bad, and it was still a joke vote on Day 1.

So I can wash my hands of this.
This is true. I'm not trying to implicate anyone besides myself as the cause for my frequent early lynchings, apologies if I gave off a different impression.

linki - Haha, I didn't even bother to check that. All I knew was that even if it were true, it's not alignment-indicative regardless.

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
You know what's interesting about this whole thing?

1) The post Ricochet was talking about wasn't even your first post of the game. This one was.
2) Matt posted far closer to you in terms of time frame, but Ricochet never mentions Matt.
After clicking these links to verify, I think you got the first two switched. But you are correct, the one near bcorn's is not the first. I even "buddied" Rico before the post that he claims to be my first.

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I posted "this is madness" because I had yet to catch up with the thread at that time but I still wanted to make my presence known.

Yes, you posted that because you had yet to catch up and wanted to make your presence known.

b24 also posted because he had yet to catch up and wanted to make your presence known.

It's called teamie coordination.
zeebz: Hey brian, let's go catch up on the mafia game.

brians: OK zeebz, I'm not caught up either (but posting in BTSC anyway).

zeebz: I have a great idea, let's state our intent to catch up before we do it.

brians: Good plan, you go first, I'll follow up in exactly 22 minutes and 17 seconds later.

zeebz: Fist bump broh!
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT THAT'S LINE-FOR-LINE WHAT HAPPENED

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Turnip Head
Echoed.

Turnip Head
Epi's next on the chopping block, he posted RIGHT AFTER TURNIP HEAD DID!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!1!!!

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Turnip Head
Echoed.

Turnip Head
Epi's next on the chopping block, he posted RIGHT AFTER TURNIP HEAD DID!!!!!!!!!11!!1!!1!!!
Omg, you posted after Epignosis did!

You're going down Day 3.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah booooo hooooooo booo hooo hoooooooooooooooo

linki - Oh? Why not? U BAD BRUH??? U HIS TEAMMATE BURH

a2thezebra wrote:I think MM is just being WIFOMy. I don't suspect him for it thought because for one, he's MM, and two, he's not trying to hog all the attention in the thread unlike my current vote.

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If Rico REALLY wanted to be lynched then they wouldn't go about it the way they are. They would be more subtle. Getting lynched on Day 1 does not require a performance like the one Rico has given. Just say this or that and/or come off as disingenuous with a few actions and rest assured you will get lynched on Day 1. This is WAY more than that, it's unnecessary.
But if that is his goal, it has been effective.
True, but it has also brought up suspicion from you, Mac, and others that perhaps he is deliberately trying to get lynched - and there's a possibility that if enough people listen to you, someone else will get lynched before the day ends. He could have (and would have) easily gotten lynched today without arousing that particular suspicion had he been more subtle.

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If Rico REALLY wanted to be lynched then they wouldn't go about it the way they are. They would be more subtle. Getting lynched on Day 1 does not require a performance like the one Rico has given. Just say this or that and/or come off as disingenuous with a few actions and rest assured you will get lynched on Day 1. This is WAY more than that, it's unnecessary.
But if that is his goal, it has been effective.
True, but it has also brought up suspicion from you, Mac, and others that perhaps he is deliberately trying to get lynched - and there's a possibility that if enough people listen to you, someone else will get lynched before the day ends. He could have (and would have) easily gotten lynched today without arousing that particular suspicion had he been more subtle.
I don't know if that would work in an epic game like this with so many players and unknown alignments. I think one has to be bold and stand out.

Do you think Ricochet is trying to accomplish something else?

Linki: Thanks Matt.
You have a point DAMMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

I got nothing. You're right. He's trying to get lynched. Fuck me sideways, I'm convinced.

Boomslang

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:CFD JaggedCrypticJay
lol

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Told you he wanted to be lynched zebra.
Don't forget that you did convince me before the day was over that this was true, and I even changed my vote for less than half a minute.

I do still stand by that lynching Rico was the right way to go. Golden makes a good point that if a civ wants to be lynched, they should get what they want nine times out of ten.

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Ricochet has been lynched. He was Jacob Donner, a civilian.

If Jacob Donner is lynched on Day 1, he will die, revealing his full role. If this occurs, Donner may continue to post on-topic as if he were alive, but he cannot vote and cannot be targeted by any abilities or items.

I don't see why this is so hard for everyone. He's not an unkillable role, he's dead. Yeah, it's great that Rico can still help out with analysis, but we lost a civ vote, and our numbers are one fewer versus the mafia. Forgive me for not celebrating.
Would you prefer to have his vote and no knowledge of his alignment?

I wouldn't.
Nor would I.

a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If there's more than one, which you insinuated yourself, why wouldn't they have names to distinguish them?
How many are there?

Juliets said that I suggested the mafia teams have names and I know what they are. I did not; that was a new idea that juliets put in my mouth.

I would agree that if there are two mafia teams, that they would have distinctive names.
I don't know how many there are.

It may or may not have been the idea that you suggested, but she did not put the idea in your mouth. She understood, as Matt (and I, though not vocally) did as well, that you suggested there are multiple mafia teams. Since you agree that having multiple mafia teams would mean there are distinctive names for each team, then it would go without saying that by suggesting there are multiple teams you are suggesting there are names for them as well. I interpret that this is purely miscommunication; but I find it a bit odd that you actually find it suspicious that juliets would reach that conclusion.
Juliets suggested I know what the mafia team names are. To have this knowledge, I would probably have to be mafia. But she didn't seem very convinced considering the suggestion she made.
Convinced that you were mafia? I think she was trying to gauge that without outright accusing you of anything (which, as always, leads to different and often less reliable results) so I still don't see how the suggestion of the teams having names is suspicious in any way.

a2thezebra wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Dharma. I have a question for you. What do you think MM is trying to achieve with his crock of total shit?
It could be that his question wasn't bait, but he's using the "bait" defense as an excuse after taking some flak.
Good point, that's possible.
You'll note that at one point Zebra suggests MM is just being WIFOMy as is sometimes his pleasure. I'd assert they were playing into WIFOM quite a bit, particularly when they were joking around about how STUPID and SILLY Rico's accusations were. We now know that in the case of Zebra, Rico's accusation was well-placed even if the reasoning was lacking. I don't struggle to see this as team mates being brazen in their WIFOM and dismissals of Rico's weak attacks. It's not as though MM left the door open to be linked to Zebra inadvertently -- the participation was always mutual.

Later Zebra does question MM a little, but it doesn't develop much and he also half-defends MM in the face of DH's "crock of shit" suspicion.

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:If Rico REALLY wanted to be lynched then they wouldn't go about it the way they are. They would be more subtle. Getting lynched on Day 1 does not require a performance like the one Rico has given. Just say this or that and/or come off as disingenuous with a few actions and rest assured you will get lynched on Day 1. This is WAY more than that, it's unnecessary.
But if that is his goal, it has been effective.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You know what, I think Rico wants to be lynched.

I don't think we should give that to him. Discuss.
You voted zebra and I followed. That was the only vote ever placed on a confirmed baddie during this phase. I'm sorry if that's the best I could do.

Put yourself in my shoes (wash your feet first, tho) and tell me what I should do right now. Vote properly and achieve a 1 vote on a confirmed baddie. Much achievement. You're a notorious self-voter. And known to like apples. Discuss.
Zebra is confirmed town though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:You know what, I think Rico wants to be lynched.

I don't think we should give that to him. Discuss.
You voted zebra and I followed. That was the only vote ever placed on a confirmed baddie during this phase. I'm sorry if that's the best I could do.

Put yourself in my shoes (wash your feet first, tho) and tell me what I should do right now. Vote properly and achieve a 1 vote on a confirmed baddie. Much achievement. You're a notorious self-voter. And known to like apples. Discuss.
Zebra is confirmed town though.
The fark he is.
I can confirm that in my proffesional mafia opinion, a2thezebra is civilian, I do declare.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:That idea's worth noting, Mac. HamburgerBoy has replaced juliets on my list of the six to potentially be killed by me. Killed. KILLED.

linki - I'm not claiming to know how you play in general, only how you have played recently. Which is not this. Or at least, it wasn't.

linki - stop stop stop lemme post ugh
Confirmed town.
This is all more WIFOM. Joking around is fine. Being incorrect in a town read is fine. But this doesn't look like that to me, it looks like a concerted effort to call Zebra a town read for no reason. This obviously came before Zebra's flip, and I could easily see this being MM's deliberate "way too wrong to be fake" WIFOM. I think he's suspicious and a potential team mate of Zebra.
You are correct. I recognized Ricochet's attempt to get lynched on Day 1, and was trying to counter anything he said and put a stop to it.

Calling zebra confirmed town had more to do with the fact the Ricochet was calling her confirmed scum, and less to do with the person in question.

Yet when Rico says 3J is to be looked at next, MM agrees!

So much for "countering anything he said".

Derp.

Linki - How were you trying to get lynched on Day 1, MM? It doesn't appear that way to me.

#6671

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I was trying to get lynched Day 1. Using my behavior from that day phase (Day 0 as well) is not a fair accusation.

Gambit 1 - Zebra is confirmed civ y'all. Result: Gambit fail via Zebra night kill. Action: ... gambit harder to save face!

Gambit 2 - I'm neutral y'all ... Result: Survive Gambit 1 failure. Outcome: Success!

Gambit 3 - I can't win the game now y'all. Result: Survive Gambit 1 failure. Outcome: Success!

Gambit 4 - I'm actually not going to tell you whether or not I can win meaning of course I can ergo I was lying about Gambit 3. Result: Get fucked cunt. Outcome: Death.

Gambit 5 - I was trying to get lynched on day 1 too y'all but Rico did a better job! ... Result: Nope. Outcome: Nope.

Tis time to lynch the Marmot children.

#6672

Matt wrote:Yet when Rico says 3J is to be looked at next, MM agrees! So much for "countering anything he said".

Derp.

Linki - How were you trying to get lynched on Day 1, MM? It doesn't appear that way to me.

You're telling me you just made a large case against me for my behavior on Day 1, and you don't think I've done anything lynch-worthy that day?

#6673

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I was trying to get lynched Day 1. Using my behavior from that day phase (Day 0 as well) is not a fair accusation.
Gambit 1 - Zebra is confirmed civ y'all. Result: Gambit fail via Zebra night kill. Action: ... gambit harder to save face!

Gambit 2 - I'm neutral y'all ... Result: Survive Gambit 1 failure. Outcome: Success!

Gambit 3 - I can't win the game now y'all. Result: Survive Gambit 1 failure. Outcome: Success!

Gambit 4 - I'm actually not going to tell you whether or not I can win meaning of course I can ergo I was lying about Gambit 3. Result: Get fucked cunt. Outcome: Death.

Gambit 5 - I was trying to get lynched on day 1 too y'all but Rico did a better job! ... Result: Nope. Outcome: Nope.

Tis time to lynch the Marmot children.

This is not the first time I revealed my intention to get lynched Day 1.

Why do you think I recognized Rico's attempt to do so, and tried to put a stop to it? I had only selfish reasons for doing so, and I understood his plight because mine was the same.

#6674

The answer to "but what if he really is neutral, aren't we still at lylo?" is ...

1. Is not Metalmarsh the most likely player remaining to be scum by virtue of the following:

a) He "tried to get lynched on day 1", which is not true, by saying that Zebra was confirmed town, which was not true, which probably would have had her and he surviving a lot longer had she not been killed off, so that blew up on his face.

b) His neutral claim is most likely an attempt to reduce the impact of his Zebra is confirmed civ claim.

c) He said he can't win, but he clearly can, so he lied again.

Ergo is not Metalmarsh the most likely player remaining to be scum by virtue of lying constantly and having an insane amount of gathered gambits that have now apparently put us in a position where we cannot lynch him because it is lylo?

Question: Are we at lylo?

Answer. No we are not. There are obviously two teams at play and neither are fully deceased meaning one will still need to kill the other to win the game. Ergo there is from what I can see only a minute to zero chance of it being actual lylo.

It is not lylo, Marmot is at best a nefarious independent but far more likely to be Zebra teammate. He must die now or we will probably be at ACTUAL lylo tomorrow.

There is no alternative here. Metalmarsh must die and with his demonstrated lynch escapism it must be with a thorough unanimous verdict.

#6675

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I was trying to get lynched Day 1. Using my behavior from that day phase (Day 0 as well) is not a fair accusation.
Gambit 1 - Zebra is confirmed civ y'all. Result: Gambit fail via Zebra night kill. Action: ... gambit harder to save face!

Gambit 2 - I'm neutral y'all ... Result: Survive Gambit 1 failure. Outcome: Success!

Gambit 3 - I can't win the game now y'all. Result: Survive Gambit 1 failure. Outcome: Success!

Gambit 4 - I'm actually not going to tell you whether or not I can win meaning of course I can ergo I was lying about Gambit 3. Result: Get fucked cunt. Outcome: Death.

Gambit 5 - I was trying to get lynched on day 1 too y'all but Rico did a better job! ... Result: Nope. Outcome: Nope.

Tis time to lynch the Marmot children.
This is not the first time I revealed my intention to get lynched Day 1.

Why do you think I recognized Rico's attempt to do so, and tried to put a stop to it? I had only selfish reasons for doing so, and I understood his plight because mine was the same.

Gambit #6: You knew Rico was trying to get himself lynched and it was the same reason you were trying.

Reason that is bullshit. If you were utterly desperate to outfox him and win the lynch, you would have done a hell of a lot more than you did. That was the most fail attempt at getting lynched on day 1 I have ever seen. I cannot possibly see anything you did on day 1 as that. You are lying, again.

There is no doubt that you must die. If you are a neutral with no win con because you failed to achieve it on day 1, you won't even care. Yet here you are, caring. Your web of lies has been ripped apart.

#6676

MacDougall wrote:Gambit #6: You knew Rico was trying to get himself lynched and it was the same reason you were trying.

Reason that is bullshit. If you were utterly desperate to outfox him and win the lynch, you would have done a hell of a lot more than you did. That was the most fail attempt at getting lynched on day 1 I have ever seen. I cannot possibly see anything you did on day 1 as that. You are lying, again.

There is no doubt that you must die. If you are a neutral with no win con because you failed to achieve it on day 1, you won't even care. Yet here you are, caring. Your web of lies has been ripped apart.

Take your "You have no win con" statement and shove it somewhere dark and quiet.

NOWHERE have I said I have no win con. And why do you guys keep saying that my behavior with zebra is a huge scumtell, but tell me that I was not trying to get lynched on Day 1? These two statements do not agree with each other. You are reaching.

#6677

I see absolutely zero reason for anybody to vote for anybody other than the Marmot right now. This is likely our last chance to actually take the risk that all his gambits are actual truths because if he DOES flip neutral today we CAN still win because the remaining scum teams are going to be trying to kill each other at this point rather than civs, so no civs will actually die until our next lynch day if they shoot right which they have a very good chance of doing by both numbers and the fact that the scum teams no doubt will have a better grip on who is on the other team than we do at this point. If we lynch Metalmarsh and he flips neutral and then the scum team kill a civ, we will still not be at lylo because the scum team will still have kills and they will both be still looking at each other as primary enemy rather than civilians.

There is no other outcome here except for killing Metalmarsh. It is our last chance to remove this chance element from the game and to boot he is the most likely to be scum out of anybody anyway.

#6678

Have you read my Day 1 Mac, or are you just vomiting shit into the thread to continue paint me as bad?

#6679

MacDougall wrote:I see absolutely zero reason for anybody to vote for anybody other than the Marmot right now. This is likely our last chance to actually take the risk that all his gambits are actual truths because if he DOES flip neutral today we CAN still win because the remaining scum teams are going to be trying to kill each other at this point rather than civs, so no civs will actually die until our next lynch day if they shoot right which they have a very good chance of doing by both numbers and the fact that the scum teams no doubt will have a better grip on who is on the other team than we do at this point. If we lynch Metalmarsh and he flips neutral and then the scum team kill a civ, we will still not be at lylo because the scum team will still have kills and they will both be still looking at each other as primary enemy rather than civilians.

There is no other outcome here except for killing Metalmarsh. It is our last chance to remove this chance element from the game and to boot he is the most likely to be scum out of anybody anyway.

Scare tactics. You, my friend are no civilian.

#6680

#6681

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Have you read my Day 1 Mac, or are you just vomiting shit into the thread to continue paint me as bad?

Yes, I have read your day 1. Yes I have read where you told Jimmy on day 2 that you identified Rico's attempts. You didn't tell him then that you wanted to get lynched on day 1. You are lying.

I am not employing scare tactics Metalmarsh, I'm actually pointing out the opposite. Scare tactics have been employed to paint you as an impossible lynch today because of perceived lylo WHEN IT IS NOT LYLO.

The only arguments against unanimously lynching you have come today from the perspective of it being lylo, which it is not.

You must be lynched. Hold still.

#6682

A civilian has no right or need to appeal to the emotions of other players in the game. Declaring a scenario with only one way out is not only off-the-mark, it is unnecessary and even looks bad. Two days ago, you read me as civ Mac. Now suddenly, the only way for the civilians to win the game is to lynch me today?

This reads as a desperate attempt to steer the lynch away from either you, or someone on your team. There are more than two baddies left in the game. Even if I was a baddie, there would still be other options about. This ultimatum is false.

#6683

Take all of Matt's circumstantial evidence + Dom's breadcrumbs + what I have just said and vote for anybody but Metalmarsh and I will do this at you.

#6684

MacDougall wrote:I am not employing scare tactics Metalmarsh, I'm actually pointing out the opposite. Scare tactics have been employed to paint you as an impossible lynch today because of perceived lylo WHEN IT IS NOT LYLO.

Yes you are. You just told everyone that I must be lynched, or else.

Linki:

#6685

Metalmarsh89 wrote:A civilian has no right or need to appeal to the emotions of other players in the game. Declaring a scenario with only one way out is not only off-the-mark, it is unnecessary and even looks bad. Two days ago, you read me as civ Mac. Now suddenly, the only way for the civilians to win the game is to lynch me today?

This reads as a desperate attempt to steer the lynch away from either you, or someone on your team. There are more than two baddies left in the game. Even if I was a baddie, there would still be other options about. This ultimatum is false.

Suddenly Metalmarsh is passionate. Suddenly he cares. When he realises he's actually fucked. Hold still.

Here's a few synapse connections:

You just said the ultimatum was false, meaning that we don't have to lynch you today. Meaning that you don't think it's lylo and we can afford to lynch you later. Meaning that you literally just said you should be lynched.

For what reason would we lynch anybody but you, today?

#6686

I just told you. Even if I was bad, I cannot possibly be the only baddie left in the game. And then, even if I was, 1 baddie out of 10 does not LYLO make.

There are at least 2 baddies left in this game, possibly more. But I am not one of them. You've got the wrong marmot.

#6687

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I am not employing scare tactics Metalmarsh, I'm actually pointing out the opposite. Scare tactics have been employed to paint you as an impossible lynch today because of perceived lylo WHEN IT IS NOT LYLO.
Yes you are. You just told everyone that I must be lynched, or else.

Linki:

The only person playing to emotions here is you with your attempt to paint my points as so bad they are humorous.

You just OMGUSed me more than anyone I have ever seen.

I am trying to make up for days of defending confirmed scum Wilgy. To what end does a scum me come into this thread like a whirling dervish exposing the shit out of myself?

#6688

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MacDougall wrote:I am not employing scare tactics Metalmarsh, I'm actually pointing out the opposite. Scare tactics have been employed to paint you as an impossible lynch today because of perceived lylo WHEN IT IS NOT LYLO.
Yes you are. You just told everyone that I must be lynched, or else.

Linki:
The only person playing to emotions here is you with your attempt to paint my points as so bad they are humorous.

You just OMGUSed me more than anyone I have ever seen.

This is not the first time I have deemed your behavior suspicious.

MacDougall wrote:I am trying to make up for days of defending confirmed scum Wilgy. To what end does a scum me come into this thread like a whirling dervish exposing the shit out of myself?

I don't know. But it doesn't look good to me.

#6689

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I just told you. Even if I was bad, I cannot possibly be the only baddie left in the game. And then, even if I was, 1 baddie out of 10 does not LYLO make.

There are at least 2 baddies left in this game, possibly more. But I am not one of them. You've got the wrong marmot.

I didn't say you were the only baddie left in the game? I said that you need to be lynched today if you are an indie. If you are bad, ironically yes we can afford to lynch a different baddie lol.

But you are literally telling me that we shouldn't lynch you on the off chance that you are bad. Do you realise how retarded that is?

#6690

We shouldn't lynch Metalmarsh in case he's bad. Okay guys pack it up. We've reached peak Mafia.

#6691

Ricochet wrote:MM, if you're not a baddie, you are spoonfeeding the mafia reasons to push for your wagon toDay. Reconfigure your strategy.

[wifom]

If I was bad, this post would have scared me into not doing what I am doing. As I am not, I saw this post as a green light to attack the fuck out of you.

[/wifom]

#6692

What about Draco? He quieted down after coming under suspicion now...

Let's lynch Draco today and mm tomorrow

#6693

MacDougall wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:I just told you. Even if I was bad, I cannot possibly be the only baddie left in the game. And then, even if I was, 1 baddie out of 10 does not LYLO make.

There are at least 2 baddies left in this game, possibly more. But I am not one of them. You've got the wrong marmot.
I didn't say you were the only baddie left in the game? I said that you need to be lynched today if you are an indie. If you are bad, ironically yes we can afford to lynch a different baddie lol.

But you are literally telling me that we shouldn't lynch you on the off chance that you are bad. Do you realise how retarded that is?

I don't think you processed that statement correctly.

Why do I need to be lynched if I am Indy. We actually have proof that we need NOT lynch someone who is an Indy. Ricochet stated that the civ win condition is to eliminate opposing factions. Turnip Head stated that Independents are not a faction.

That, and I am trying to help to lynch baddies.

Linki: In case you didn't notice Mac, I responded to a case from Matt before you latched onto it like a leech. I have mainly (not always, but mainly) been defending here, not attacking the fuck out of everything.

#6694

Mac just violated me, then accused me of rape.

#6695

Today is not lylo but if we lynch scum today it is possible that tomorrow is lylo. The ironic thing is that if we lynch civilian today it is still not lylo. At this point lylo will only happen if one team remains due to the potential of scum killing each other. I find it extremely hard to believe that Wilgy, Zebra and Lorab are all on a team together, so I believe both teams have at least 2 players remaining. A team of 2 and a team of 3 seems like almost the only possible situation. If we lynch a player from the team with 2 scum remaining and the team with 3 has the kill tonight and manages to kill the remaining scum on the other team, tomorrow is lylo with 3 scum vs. 4 non scum.

So if Marsh is alive tomorrow the fact that we can't afford to not lynch scum means his indie gambit does keep him alive. Meaning that we have no way of eliminating the potential that he's an indie with a solo win con. If he is bad and on the team with 3, his claim is going to win his team the game.

It is possible to get through today without lynching him, if future actions don't go a certain way. Lynching civilian would be fucking tragic but not put us in danger of lylo. But today is the last day that we can for certain remove the element of Marmot doubt.

I would like to hear from not Marmot's what justification there is for not lynching Metalmarsh today?

#6696

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Mac just violated me, then accused me of rape.

#6697

MacDougall wrote: I would like to hear from not Marmot's what justification there is for not lynching Metalmarsh today?

Well... If he actually is indy/neutral then civs could really use his help.

I'm more inclined to not believe him but... going to MM lynch just seems like the easy way out... Like "no one wants to buss a teammate today so let's go for MM instead" is the vibe I'm getting from today.

So yeah.. I dunno. Not that anyone cares what I say anyway, after I'm dead they will though.

#6698

Sorsha wrote:What about Draco? He quieted down after coming under suspicion now...

Let's lynch Draco today and mm tomorrow

Stop it you're so bad you're getting lynched as soon as you're on the poll lmao

#6699

DharmaHelper wrote:
Sorsha wrote:What about Draco? He quieted down after coming under suspicion now...

Let's lynch Draco today and mm tomorrow
Stop it you're so bad you're getting lynched as soon as you're on the poll lmao

Are you going to cry for me when you're wrong?

#6700

DH explain your vote or feel my wrath.

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

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