Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Marmot]

[Marmot]

Also, say it ten times fast.

[bea]

Marmot, then can you please admit that even if you are neutral, you have no interest in seeing the civs win? You literally do not care, do you?

I care very much Matt. This is a loaded question.

fwiw - this is the post that makes me believe you are not a baddie hiding as a neutral.

No offense, but I think you're wrong.

MM and Drac have been hiding behind DH's votes for days. It's time to lynch the Marmot, IMO.

Also, let's remember the LC lynch. Last second, Drac takes his vote off of himself and Marmot votes LC.

C'mon people, puhleeze, do not let him slip away again!

Linki - Bea, Drac had been obviously not even trying. At least you look perplexed when making a decision, Drac has just been blindly following DH.

Lynch Marmot next day phase.

On the off chance this is a real lynch, motel is great, but next day phase, let's make it the Marmot

Maybe I am? I was wrong about wigly. For sure. So it's not like I don't have a history of being wrong.

That said, I'd personally rather vote either marshnewt or sorsha tonight.

I'm going with marshnewt in case it's a lynch and not a position. And also in case it's a position.

linki - well done marshnewt. I'm half drunk and listening to carol king. So yea...Imma lovin' that dresser right about now.

[Matt]

Please don't kill me tonight baddies. I promise I'll behave.

Nope, just kidding. I'm pro-civ. Come at me.

Bullshit. You're Drac's teammate.

I didn't intend to lie, but after this result, I'm soooo voting for you again tomorrow.

Why? I don't see what you are seeing. Explain plzktks! Also - if you could keep it to why *this* result is the one that makes you back down on your word, that would rock.

Keep reading. Marmot and Drac have had each other's backs for days. The LC lynch. Drac takes his vote off of himself, and Marmot votes LC...all last second.

Like I said, keep reading.

Anyway, the post I had the other day about my suspects, I called them out as teamies and have been feeling it ever since. Did you see the way they teamed up on me before the lynch result, too??

Matt, even if I lose or get lynched tomorrow or whatever, I'm still proud of the fact that I have now made it 10 day phases with pursuit from you and many other players, getting votes from you every single day, and managed to still be alive.

Yeah, I'm actually embarrassed that nobody is willing to follow me. But yeah, I'd be proud if I were you, too. Even the rolechecker hinted at you several times and town still doesn't want to lynch you. Pure magic, really.

[Marmot]

Matt, you hailed Draconus as runner-up for LVP. That seemed uncalled for, and a shot at his play this game, which I found to be ridiculous. I would have defended any person you called out as such (except motel room, but I think he would admit you were right). This isn't really game-related material you're talking about.

[bea]

still pissy that people want to give the LVP award to anyone but me.

[MacDougall]

Note to Matt. If you want people to lynch your suspects civ read them.

[bea]

omg - as a million times I've listened to this album. omg omg omg I am now listening to the theme song to Gilmore Girls. God I love that show. Even more now that it's theme song is a b side song on Carol King's Tapestry album. Yes. I am MANY years late to that particular party.

[Matt]

Matt, you hailed Draconus as runner-up for LVP. That seemed uncalled for, and a shot at his play this game, which I found to be ridiculous. I would have defended any person you called out as such (except motel room, but I think he would admit you were right). This isn't really game-related material you're talking about.

No, I thought he was bad, and made a sarcastic remark on the off chance he wasn't bad. In fact, I will go out on a limb and say that I was the LVP in Talking Heads, so he would've shared good company had he been civ.

Don't try and twist this and say that you and Drac aren't teamies because of some words I had for Drac. Not to mention Drac told me to fuck off the other day, so why would you defend him but not me when he told me to fuck off?

You're bad. You're his teamie. Explain the LC lynch. Explain your connections to Zebra. Explain Dom's breadcrumbs. Explain explain explain, I'm sure town will let you off the hook again

Linki Mac - Hahaha. I said as much way earlier in the game when I asked Marmot if people would lynch him if I called him civ. Derp.

Linki

[bea]

Note to Matt. If you want people to lynch your suspects civ read them.

*waves*

sup supafly?

[DharmaHelper]

I genuinely believe for the most part we've seen champion-level play from everybody.

[bea]

Matt, you hailed Draconus as runner-up for LVP. That seemed uncalled for, and a shot at his play this game, which I found to be ridiculous. I would have defended any person you called out as such (except motel room, but I think he would admit you were right). This isn't really game-related material you're talking about.

No, I thought he was bad, and made a sarcastic remark on the off chance he wasn't bad. In fact, I will go out on a limb and say that I was the LVP in Talking Heads, so he would've shared good company had he been civ.

Don't try and twist this and say that you and Drac aren't teamies because of some words I had for Drac. Not to mention Drac told me to fuck off the other day, so why would you defend him but not me when he told me to fuck off?

You're bad. You're his teamie. Explain the LC lynch. Explain your connections to Zebra. Explain Dom's breadcrumbs. Explain explain explain, I'm sure town will let you off the hook again

Linki Mac - Hahaha. I said as much way earlier in the game when I asked Marmot if people would lynch him if I called him civ. Derp.

Linki

matt - you raise good points. Points that allowed me to vote him when it happened. I've always been willing to vote marshynewt. Look back at my vote history - I had serval times, including I *think* the day that dom made the quote you keep quoting. I had to give up because it wasn't happening.

Who else do you think you'd need to convince to see it?

linki - I agree with DH. From here on out you guys- I've had so much fun! Thank you so much for an amazing game!!!

Now which one of you jerks are lying lying bastards?

[MacDougall]

Hey bea I wasn't saying you aren't playing up to a standard mate. I don't care if you play the way you play that's cool. Don't sweat it homie.

DharmaHelper I'm sorry but I think my theory about you and juliets was wrong. Please forgive me.

[MacDougall]

Hello again! I am here But not quite I promise! Just entered super busy season for work, but I'm going to try and keep up. Sooooo.... FWIW, Here are the people I won't be voting for on day 1 so far:

Radical Fuzz: He's a strange one. But I see what he's trying to do with his initial post.

Lorab: I went after her in A World Reborn for the exact reason people are looking at her now. I regretted it. Nuf said.

I did not realize how short this list would be when I started it. I'm also surprised to see how many people have little to know content in this game (myself included )

So you immediately refute two major candidates, offer none of your own, and then recant under pressure from Wilgy pressing his smallpeen up against you in a crowded room and apparently now you will vote for Fuzz.

U bad. So bad.

23rd post of the game on day zero ladies and gents.

[MacDougall]

I need to wrap my brain around this game. I don't think I've played a champions game before--although I did co-host one. Cupcakes FTW!! Just got back from vacation...way too tired to think through what roles are included and how that decision may have been made. Will ponder after sleep. To do so earlier would be scandalous.

Waffly day 1 post = u bad.

First post of the game on day zero ladies and gents.

First impression Mac has GOAT gut.

[DharmaHelper]

Hey bea I wasn't saying you aren't playing up to a standard mate. I don't care if you play the way you play that's cool. Don't sweat it homie.

DharmaHelper I'm sorry but I think my theory about you and juliets was wrong. Please forgive me.

Don't worry I was pretty confident your theory was wrong too.

[MacDougall]

The amount of Draco defending the Marmot engaged in despite saying that Draco was top of his lynch list = he is literally without question his scum teammate.

There can be no doubt now. The Marmot must die.

[MacDougall]

Hey bea I wasn't saying you aren't playing up to a standard mate. I don't care if you play the way you play that's cool. Don't sweat it homie.

DharmaHelper I'm sorry but I think my theory about you and juliets was wrong. Please forgive me.

Don't worry I was pretty confident your theory was wrong too.

You know what I wasn't wrong about thought?

Draconus and Lorab.

You know what I'm not wrong about now?

Metalmarsh being scum.

[bea]

Hey bea I wasn't saying you aren't playing up to a standard mate. I don't care if you play the way you play that's cool. Don't sweat it homie.

DharmaHelper I'm sorry but I think my theory about you and juliets was wrong. Please forgive me.

what changed your mind about them?

And also - I am completely ok with you calling me to task. I'm not completely stupid - there's a case to be made there. I've done really dumb things this game and all I have to defend with is I did the best I could at the time.

I'm not sweating it at all homie. In fact, dispite all the wigly stuff, I still think LC was ok in trusting you. So if you conned him and then by proxie me, then kudos to you sir! But in the end, I think LC was right in trusting you for the reasons he trusted you. And I keep hoping I'm still right in believing that.

linki- like I said - all I've been waiting for is an actual chance to legit lynch him.

[Marmot]

Have I set a record yet for number of times being accused of being mafia in a single game yet?

[MacDougall]

Have I set a record yet for number of times being accused of being mafia in a single game yet?

Yeah but like you're bad so it makes sense.

Also note to self. Indy claiming helps you avoid lynches.

Metalmarsh you literally shuffled votes in collab with Draconus to save him. That occurred lol. There is no way in the world you are not his teammate.

I doubt either of you are Wilgy teammates.

I haven't really analysed in great details where Zebra and Lorab fit. Let's discuss this. We are in a position where we should by almost mathematics eliminate possibilities.

[bea]

IDK - marshy does Death Note count?

prolly not cuz I wasn't hip to you being bad there till I was dead.

And this. It's hard - really hard. To defend against the way the LC lynch went down. Esepcially in light of how drac flipped.

and THE MATHS are what I suck at mac. So yea....

[MacDougall]

This civ comeback is going to make the Tree Mafia comeback look like the Star Wars civ team.

[Long Con]

You're the fucking king of the Internet, sir! Wow!

[bea]

inorite? Miss you.

[Marmot]

IDK - marshy does Death Note count?

prolly not cuz I wasn't hip to you being bad there till I was dead.

And this. It's hard - really hard. To defend against the way the LC lynch went down. Esepcially in light of how drac flipped.

and THE MATHS are what I suck at mac. So yea....

I don't think I even came close in that game. Everybody knew I was bad so we had no reason to talk about.

You're the fucking king of the Internet, sir! Wow!

Everybody needs a set of coral floral drawers.

[Marmot]

Have I set a record yet for number of times being accused of being mafia in a single game yet?

Yeah but like you're bad so it makes sense.

Also note to self. Indy claiming helps you avoid lynches.

Metalmarsh you literally shuffled votes in collab with Draconus to save him. That occurred lol. There is no way in the world you are not his teammate.

I doubt either of you are Wilgy teammates.

I haven't really analysed in great details where Zebra and Lorab fit. Let's discuss this. We are in a position where we should by almost mathematics eliminate possibilities.

I shuffled votes? My vote never moved last day phase. It did move once the day phase before that.



A question to anyone, do you think that Draconus was lynched by civ means or baddie means?

[Long Con]

IDK - marshy does Death Note count?

prolly not cuz I wasn't hip to you being bad there till I was dead.

And this. It's hard - really hard. To defend against the way the LC lynch went down. Esepcially in light of how drac flipped.

and THE MATHS are what I suck at mac. So yea....

I don't think I even came close in that game. Everybody knew I was bad so we had no reason to talk about.

You're the fucking king of the Internet, sir! Wow!

Everybody needs a set of coral floral drawers.

Reminds me of this, in a way that only a true Simpsons fan will understand:

[Marmot]

I haven't really analysed in great details where Zebra and Lorab fit. Let's discuss this. We are in a position where we should by almost mathematics eliminate possibilities.

I don't understand. Don't we need to know how many baddies are left to do such a thing?

[bea]

IDK - marshy does Death Note count?

prolly not cuz I wasn't hip to you being bad there till I was dead.

And this. It's hard - really hard. To defend against the way the LC lynch went down. Esepcially in light of how drac flipped.

and THE MATHS are what I suck at mac. So yea....

I don't think I even came close in that game. Everybody knew I was bad so we had no reason to talk about.

You're the fucking king of the Internet, sir! Wow!

your play this game most reminds me of that game. You can - at least - see why I am distrustful given that? right?

I ask FZ and DH - as they played that game too - am I wrong in thinking this?

Am I completely off my rocker in thinking that marshy might not be the indy he claims to be?

doesn't his play feel a lot like death note? Or am I bat shit cray cray. I'm ok with being told i'm wrong by either of you btw - if you can tell me why I'm wrong in thinking it.



Everybody needs a set of coral floral drawers.

[bea]

ebwop cus i am tag fail.

IDK - marshy does Death Note count?

prolly not cuz I wasn't hip to you being bad there till I was dead.

And this. It's hard - really hard. To defend against the way the LC lynch went down. Esepcially in light of how drac flipped.

and THE MATHS are what I suck at mac. So yea....

I don't think I even came close in that game. Everybody knew I was bad so we had no reason to talk about.

You're the fucking king of the Internet, sir! Wow!

Everybody needs a set of coral floral drawers.

your play this game most reminds me of that game. You can - at least - see why I am distrustful given that? right?

I ask FZ and DH - as they played that game too - am I wrong in thinking this?

Am I completely off my rocker in thinking that marshy might not be the indy he claims to be?

doesn't his play feel a lot like death note? Or am I bat shit cray cray. I'm ok with being told i'm wrong by either of you btw - if you can tell me why I'm wrong in thinking it.

[Marmot]

Do I sound like the same MM from Death Note? Perhaps.

You and Ricochet should have a discussion about that. And maybe DharmaHelper too.

[bea]

i thought that was what I just asked for? i'm totes willi'ng to be told I'm wrong in thinking it - if they can tell me so and why.

[MacDougall]

Kill the marmot. Kill the marmot.

[bea]

Kill the marmot. Kill the marmot.

So this then?


I like the idea of being a Valkyrie for sure. But I'd rather have some other informed info before I go full on. Ya know?

[MacDougall]

Metalmarsh why did you so blatantly save Draco on the day you blatantly saved Draco if it wasn't because you're scum buddies? And don't give me shrug.smiley either or I will slap you with a trout.

[Ricochet]

That's not my beautiful motel! Good job whoever dun it. Though you should let us lynch motel eventually. He can't die any other way.

Hooray!! He wasn't Kubrick but was a baddie and thats all that counts! Goodbye motel room!

[Ricochet]

Oops, submitted too early.

That's not my beautiful motel! Good job whoever dun it. Though you should let us lynch motel eventually. He can't die any other way.

Hooray!! He wasn't Kubrick but was a baddie and thats all that counts! Goodbye motel room!

Hello heebie my old friend....

[Marmot]

Metalmarsh why did you so blatantly save Draco on the day you blatantly saved Draco if it wasn't because you're scum buddies? And don't give me shrug.smiley either or I will slap you with a trout.

[Ricochet]

So, that was a swell result and all, but what...

Lynch switch?

Wasn't that. Dharma lad, amirite?

[bea]

Marshy says you and I should talk about his play re:it feels like death note. What say you oh great zombie brother?

[Matt]

Going through Draco's ISO...wow I'm pretty sure MM is his teamie.

But what I found really fun was this...

Jan 31st, 3:03 PM

Matt probably didn't bother checking, but Draco actually has more posts than Matt does.

February 3rd, 5:27 PM

I realize this doesn't say anything about post quality, but there's some evidence that Draco has been an active contributor in this game, even if he's parroting DH. :P He even has more posts than you Matt.

I didn't even know that.

Lulz. Drac "didn't even know that". So what, did you guys forget you already pulled this shtick 3 days previous?

[Ricochet]

Marshy says you and I should talk about his play re:it feels like death note. What say you oh great zombie brother?

Work first.

Going through Draco's ISO...wow I'm pretty sure MM is his teamie.

But what I found really fun was this...

Jan 31st, 3:03 PM

Matt probably didn't bother checking, but Draco actually has more posts than Matt does.

February 3rd, 5:27 PM

I realize this doesn't say anything about post quality, but there's some evidence that Draco has been an active contributor in this game, even if he's parroting DH. :P He even has more posts than you Matt.

I didn't even know that.

Lulz. Drac "didn't even know that". So what, did you guys forget you already pulled this shtick 3 days previous?

Is that supposed to link Draco and MM? If so, how?

[Marmot]

Oy hosts. Day 10 is going to be 24 hours long, right?

[FZ.]

Nice job people.

Reading everything now, I think Matt is right. Yeah, all evidence is circumstantial, but it just keeps piling up. The LC lynch is now viewed in a new light.
I also think that since we haven't learnt about a faction being eliminated, there are still two groups which makes motel room still likely to be bad. In that case, we have MM in one group and motel room in the other. I think those are the ones we should lynch first. If Matt is so sure Sorsha is good, we should listen to him. I also get a genuine feeling from her. Sorry, DH. If we don't win after taking out these two, we start thinking again.
At this point, even though some of my reads really sucked this game, I'm reading both Bea and Mac as civ, even after the wilgy flip. I'm reading DH as good, and Matt as well.

[Ricochet]

Why should we listen to Matt about Sorsha? Give me references.

[Ricochet]

Also worth noting that by virtue of Draco's flip, all defensive outbursts and plead should mean nothing. Draco tols his hunters to fuck off.

if you are sussd, but civ, you need to step up and defend against arguments. Point for point.

[MacDougall]

I'm not sure why people are voting Motel Room in this poll. There is zero chance it's an actual lynch and you may be playing into whoever is orchestrating the poll options. I' just had a thought. Quite a few polls have seemingly been referential to something that's occurred in the thread or something with a seemingly intentional popular candidate, aside from the very first one which was not capable of being designed by anyone other than the mods by virtue of it being there at the start. There was Willow Rosenberg, Marmota, Zombie Outbreak, Sexy People, Bowie ... It really seems possible that someone in the game has the power to design the poll to me. I doubt the mods would be using it to exert influence themselves and there has seemingly been an attempt to make one position look more attractive over another on multiple occasions. Here the Motel Room option is likely that.

[FZ.]

Why should we listen to Matt about Sorsha? Give me references.

If you think Matt is bad, we shouldn't, but his actions yesterday led me to believe I was wrong about him being bad, and he claims he has good reasons to believe she's not bad. Why would you choose to believe MM over him for example?
After Wilgy flipping bad (and to some degree, Drac too), I'm done believing people who picked up their game only when they were close to being lynched. Like I said, it's all circumstantial, but there are a lot of them regarding MM:

A. he wasn't playing until we said we should lynch him. Then he came up with the indy role which is as convenient as hell and we all know it. He says he gave up after not being lynched on day 1, but if he failed something, I don't see why that would change when we called him out on it.
b. There's Dom. Matt is right that Dom wouldn't infodump. His Dom quotes support that notion. Dom spoke a lot about MM that day, and maybe he really wasn't able to vote.
c. The LC lynch looks pretty bad for MM with that last minute save.
d. Unlike him, someone is vouching for Sorsha.

I think that between those two, the choice is obvious.

[FZ.]

I'm not sure why people are voting Motel Room in this poll. There is zero chance it's an actual lynch and you may be playing into whoever is orchestrating the poll options. I' just had a thought. Quite a few polls have seemingly been referential to something that's occurred in the thread or something with a seemingly intentional popular candidate, aside from the very first one which was not capable of being designed by anyone other than the mods by virtue of it being there at the start. There was Willow Rosenberg, Marmota, Zombie Outbreak, Sexy People, Bowie ... It really seems possible that someone in the game has the power to design the poll to me. I doubt the mods would be using it to exert influence themselves and there has seemingly been an attempt to make one position look more attractive over another on multiple occasions. Here the Motel Room option is likely that.

I agree. So who should we vote for?