Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

[Dom]

DH, your team killed me, right?



Good game, all! I had lots of fun-- even if I did a rather bad job at being a role checker.

[DharmaHelper]

DH, your team killed me, right?



Good game, all! I had lots of fun-- even if I did a rather bad job at being a role checker.

Pretty sure we did. We were fishing for the other team, RIP.

[Dom]

I had targeted Mac that night.

[LoRab]

Go baddies!!!

[LoRab]

And, for the record, I asked my team to throw me under the bus. They wouldn't. But whoever said that I would never let my team throw me under the bus was completely wrong. I am a big believer in bus throwing, when a teammate is obviously going to be lynched. But none of them got tied to me in the long run, so it was all good.

I did enjoy our team.

[DrWilgy]

I had targeted Mac that night.

What was your action order Dom?

[Dom]

I had targeted Mac that night.

What was your action order Dom?

I didn't accept until late.

I checked JJJ and the he died.
I checked LC, but got Juliets
I checked Mac, but died.

[DrWilgy]

I crushed Wilgy this game. So proud of that.

Yeah good job lynching me ignore me casually calling you and Drac out while I was showering.

[DharmaHelper]

I crushed Wilgy this game. So proud of that.

Yeah good job lynching me ignore me casually calling you and Drac out while I was showering.

A case which I blew up with half as much effort and that ultimately resulted in your NK

[DharmaHelper]

Does this technically count as a 2016 win?

I do love me them delicious technicalities.

[DharmaHelper]

Anyway on a serious note thanks for my favorite moment of the game in busting that case up Wilgy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well played and congrats winners.

Good try townies, don't sweat it. Shit happens.

Also I need a replacement for Arrested Development Mafia. It's a simple, relaxing little game and I'd love to have any of you join us.

[a2thezebra]

Go baddies!!!

[FZ.]

I take responsibility for this loss. I knew no civvie would be so sure of themselves at LYLO and should have followed that vote through. Instead, the minute Matt said he wasn't sure about Sorsha, I just fell for it in a sec. After Matt switched back to me, I went to sleep thinking Matt is bad again, because it's like he didn't let the facts confuse him. But I didn't say anything because I thought it would just get me lynched for switching my suspicions like this. So either way, it doesn't end well. I'm an idiot. I will say in my defense, that MM trusting him like that made me doubt myself more than I care to admit, and I was so busy defending myself to figure out what was going on. And Matt played really really well. Nice job Matt! You really didn't let go.

I have to admit that I kind of hated my role. I had no control over. I had to target someone and their vote could be worth either -1, 0 or 2, and it was random. I only found out the value after I chose the target. So I never knew who to target. The one time I got to choose how much the vote was worth, I targeted Golden giving him two votes, but he died.

Sorsha, I apologize . Your night polls were amazing. That silence thing just came out of the blue and after I let Matt trick me into believing he's not as sure as he first was, I convinced myself of you being bad. So sorry.

I'm really disappointed in myself because I started the game so well. I think I called out a lot of the baddies and strongly defended the civvies. But as the game progressed I lost my footing and look at how it ended- with me trusting so many of those I was suspicious of (DH and Matt come to mind)


Congrats to the winners and my apologies to my fellow civvies for losing us the game.

And thank you hosts . It was a great game despite my never ending frustration. Sorry about that.


I need a long long long mafia break

[FZ.]

And apparently, I'm no threat for the baddies for a good reason.

[S~V~S]

Great night posts Sorsha! And the whole time we thought we were voting for positions. Silly us.

You were that's why she had only 5 options.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks for the fun game, S~V~nip Head. I think it lived up to its champs game billing.

[S~V~S]

We tried, we both put our all into it. So thank you, and it's nice to know people enjoyed it.

It was also nice not waking up to 20 PMs this AM

From a host standpoint, this was a zero drama game, and I think you all for being outstanding players and good sports

[Tangrowth]

Congrats to the winners!!! The mafia totally owned this game, but man did the civilians give them a run for their money at the end!

And FZ., I just want to say it was a pleasure watching you replace in, and I don't think at all that you should shoulder the blame for the loss or that you should quit (unless you want to just in general, not because of this game). You replaced into a game of gargantuan proportions, settled in, and it was good seeing you question everything and everyone. I enjoyed seeing Golden and JJJ play too, while they were alive; as usual, it's just nice to see that I'm not a crazy person with regards to certain interpretations of people's behavior and playstyle. :P

It was really a pleasure just watching everyone though; it was a crazy game from the word go, and the player lineup here was spectacular. Well played all around, folks, despite the fact that it seems people couldn't stop misreading each other!

[Tangrowth]

Also, I officially can't read Long Con or Dom, let it be known.

[Dom]

Also, I officially can't read Long Con or Dom, let it be known.

We knew that.

[Long Con]

Also, I officially can't read Long Con or Dom, let it be known.

We knew that.

[Dom]

[Long Con]

I was slapping my forehead every time (and it was often) that FZ brought up how I defended Mac, Wilgy, and bea, and how could they ALL have been baddies tricking me?? The fact is, I never defended any of them, I didn't mention them at all, really. The idea that I defended them all as Civs was fabricated, probably by those players, and nurtured through the trust that they showed each other because of it.

[DrWilgy]

I was slapping my forehead every time (and it was often) that FZ brought up how I defended Mac, Wilgy, and bea, and how could they ALL have been baddies tricking me?? The fact is, I never defended any of them, I didn't mention them at all, really. The idea that I defended them all as Civs was fabricated, probably by those players, and nurtured through the trust that they showed each other because of it.

Lol, I enjoyed twisting your words to achieve that affect with Bea and FZ.

FZ. It's not your fault and I think you played exceptionally! I'm sorry I aggrivated you with my play though. I really was busy during the game, I just was able to take some time off work towards my demise.

[Long Con]

I was slapping my forehead every time (and it was often) that FZ brought up how I defended Mac, Wilgy, and bea, and how could they ALL have been baddies tricking me?? The fact is, I never defended any of them, I didn't mention them at all, really. The idea that I defended them all as Civs was fabricated, probably by those players, and nurtured through the trust that they showed each other because of it.

Lol, I enjoyed twisting your words to achieve that affect with Bea and FZ.

FZ. It's not your fault and I think you played exceptionally! I'm sorry I aggrivated you with my play though. I really was busy during the game, I just was able to take some time off work towards my demise.

How much of Matt's endgame would you say was influenced by you?

[bea]

The worst part was I actually kept trying to find a way to see if Mac was who he said he was, but when wigly didn't die it pointed right to him. So, then it was oh. He was the protector, he made a mistake. Then Sorsha lived. Also I kept trdirecting his night powers and stuff to try to protect people. on the night everyone got hella cursed I'd redirected newt to bullz so when he flipped the cursor I redirected newt to Mac thinking that everyone would get hella protected.

Congratulations mac. You are now in an elite club. You are on my lc list. :srrsnod:

[bea]

Also I loved how daisy got the same role in this game that she had in recruitment! She had to have been super sad to have had to step down. I know how much she loved it.

[juliets]

I think someone asked but i didn't see an answer: Who targeted motel room for a kill? It wasn't the normal baddie nk.

[Draconus]

I think someone asked but i didn't see an answer: Who targeted motel room for a kill? It wasn't the normal baddie nk.

That was my banishing ability. I had a 1 in 6 chance of killing the person I banished. Hamburger Boy I believe was my only successful kill.
Funny thing about Motel Room being targeted: DH sent that in because I was super busy at work. I can back just a few minutes too late and submitted Matt for the banishing. If that had gone through, it would have been a totally different ending

[S~V~S]

The Beast rolled a 6; Draco killed him.

linki, you killed motel & Hammy, although Hammy was complicated by other things, too.

[DrWilgy]

I was slapping my forehead every time (and it was often) that FZ brought up how I defended Mac, Wilgy, and bea, and how could they ALL have been baddies tricking me?? The fact is, I never defended any of them, I didn't mention them at all, really. The idea that I defended them all as Civs was fabricated, probably by those players, and nurtured through the trust that they showed each other because of it.

Lol, I enjoyed twisting your words to achieve that affect with Bea and FZ.

FZ. It's not your fault and I think you played exceptionally! I'm sorry I aggrivated you with my play though. I really was busy during the game, I just was able to take some time off work towards my demise.

How much of Matt's endgame would you say was influenced by you?

I gave him the primary idea for his roleclaim, but he really rocked it and went all out. Matt is most definitely a doctor!

[Marmot]

For those who care to hear why I was bamboozled by Matt, here's the story:


Matt voted Long Con in the Night 10 poll, and so was able to get BTSC with any player he wanted for a day. He picked me. I was a little surprised by this, but at this point in the game, I knew that if Matt was civ, there's no way he could still have any sort of suspicion of me, so that maybe he wanted to let me know he changed his mind. At the time, I still thought he was bad though, so I was wary entering BTSC.

He immediately asked for my role. I didn't reveal it initially, asked him to reveal his first. Matt claimed he was the Grim Shaman from World Reborn, and a civvie. It sounded reasonable. He then explained that his role power, which matched somewhat that of the Grim Shaman. Each day that a player is lynched, Matt can use that player's power at night. Once in the game, he can use a nightkilled player's power.

Then here's where I fell hook, line, and sinker. Matt proceeded to fabricate a story for the ages, giving a pretty accurate description of what he had done up until this point in the game. I'll make it a list.

• Night 1: Says he gained no power because Ricochet didn't really have a power. Makes sense.
• Night 2: Says he was able to create a shield, and did so, giving it to himself and using it Night 3. Sounded reasonable.
• Night 3: Says he targeted Dr. Wilgy to see if he went anywhere. I was surprised Matt didn't check me, but Matt gave me this story about how he's always wrong about Wilgy, so felt the need to check him.
• Night 4: Says he was vanilla because llama hadn't activated his ability yet. I questioned him on this one, because I figured llama had killed Night 3. But Matt hinted I woulda been dead if he had gotten one, so I lol'd and let it go.
• Night 5: Says his vote got +1'd from the Tranq lynch, but Matt missed the vote the next day, so it made it worthless.
• Night 6: Says he got BTSC with juliets. I should have asked for a transcript, but ah well. I also should have wondered, since Matt said he got BTSC with a player who later died. Matt said the BTSC did not go well, but he explained everything anyway (though he was under the mask of the Chatterbox).
• Day 7: Here's where it gets good. After Dom was nightkilled, Matt said he used Dom's power to learn Sorsha's role, which he informed me was Gustav Shrik, from Harry Stephen Keeler, a llama game. Matt then pointed to two instances in the thread (here and here) where he hinted to Sorsha that he knew her role. He also told me that he learned Sorsha was a civ, and for that reason, he knew that Dom could learn alignments when checking players. It was a good story. Matt didn't actually hint to her until Day 9, but it still came before Matt would have had any idea he'd get BTSC with another player, so it looked real.
• Night 7: Matt says he targeted nijuukygou with the question curse. After falling for the Sorsha bit, I was ready to believe anything Matt said, so I bought it.
• Night 8: No lynch, so no power.
• Night 9: Matt said he tried to target me, but I was not vote-blocked or anything. Juliets had a roleblocking role, so I just reasoned it was that.
• Night 10: Says he targeted himself Night 10 to remove a lynch vote from himself.

Anyway, the above was a really good story. Not perfect in retrospect, but certainly very believable. It was the reason I couldn't bring myself to actually vote Matt on the final day.

Matt said he got a protect on Night 11. We discussed who to protect. At that point, I thought bea was the final baddie, as did Matt. We knew Sorsha could not be nightkill because she was targeted the previous night. I explained to Matt that I had a Pikmin power on me, so I could not die. We knew that FZ had voted for the Mechaspark role, so we presumed that she got a shield out of it, and probably used it on herself. That left Matt no choices for the protect, except for the suspect in bea. I thought about telling Matt to protect her anyway, but I never said it. Anyway, bea was eventually nightkilled, which did make me second-guess Matt for a bit. I knew that he knew that bea was the only player who would be successfully nightkilled, and thus his only option. Had I told him to protect bea, either I would have found out he was full of shit, or he woulda targeted myself or FZ instead, resulting in no death.

Also, I gave Sorsha a similar hint that Matt did that I knew her role. I took her response as confirmation. Because I did, I found myself late believing she was bad, having a role from a llama game. That coupled with a few other things determined my vote.


Anyway, well played Matt. You all can call me foolish, naive Marmot now. I deserve it.

[Marmot]

I think someone asked but i didn't see an answer: Who targeted motel room for a kill? It wasn't the normal baddie nk.

That was my banishing ability. I had a 1 in 6 chance of killing the person I banished. Hamburger Boy I believe was my only successful kill.
Funny thing about Motel Room being targeted: DH sent that in because I was super busy at work. I can back just a few minutes too late and submitted Matt for the banishing. If that had gone through, it would have been a totally different ending

Motel room voted in the Day 7 lynch poll, so we assumed it wasn't you, and someone else.

[Marmot]

Also, I think Rico actually broke everything in his house including his computer.

[S~V~S]

I think someone asked but i didn't see an answer: Who targeted motel room for a kill? It wasn't the normal baddie nk.

That was my banishing ability. I had a 1 in 6 chance of killing the person I banished. Hamburger Boy I believe was my only successful kill.
Funny thing about Motel Room being targeted: DH sent that in because I was super busy at work. I can back just a few minutes too late and submitted Matt for the banishing. If that had gone through, it would have been a totally different ending

Motel room voted in the Day 7 lynch poll, so we assumed it wasn't you, and someone else.

We were just happy to see him vote, lol. I don't recall if I forgot to PM him about not voting, or if he just voted anyhow. We didn't count it.

[Draconus]

I think someone asked but i didn't see an answer: Who targeted motel room for a kill? It wasn't the normal baddie nk.

That was my banishing ability. I had a 1 in 6 chance of killing the person I banished. Hamburger Boy I believe was my only successful kill.
Funny thing about Motel Room being targeted: DH sent that in because I was super busy at work. I can back just a few minutes too late and submitted Matt for the banishing. If that had gone through, it would have been a totally different ending

Motel room voted in the Day 7 lynch poll, so we assumed it wasn't you, and someone else.

We were just happy to see him vote, lol. I don't recall if I forgot to PM him about not voting, or if he just voted anyhow. We didn't count it.

And I assumed that he was allowed to vote because of a protection/me being blocked. That's pretty funny.

[Draconus]

Btw, my team's banners should say We're "Winners"/just "Winners" or something to that effect. Emphasis on the " "

[MacDougall]

All hail King Matt

[bea]

For those who care to hear why I was bamboozled by Matt, here's the story:


Matt voted Long Con in the Night 10 poll, and so was able to get BTSC with any player he wanted for a day. He picked me. I was a little surprised by this, but at this point in the game, I knew that if Matt was civ, there's no way he could still have any sort of suspicion of me, so that maybe he wanted to let me know he changed his mind. At the time, I still thought he was bad though, so I was wary entering BTSC.

He immediately asked for my role. I didn't reveal it initially, asked him to reveal his first. Matt claimed he was the Grim Shaman from World Reborn, and a civvie. It sounded reasonable. He then explained that his role power, which matched somewhat that of the Grim Shaman. Each day that a player is lynched, Matt can use that player's power at night. Once in the game, he can use a nightkilled player's power.

Then here's where I fell hook, line, and sinker. Matt proceeded to fabricate a story for the ages, giving a pretty accurate description of what he had done up until this point in the game. I'll make it a list.

• Night 1: Says he gained no power because Ricochet didn't really have a power. Makes sense.
• Night 2: Says he was able to create a shield, and did so, giving it to himself and using it Night 3. Sounded reasonable.
• Night 3: Says he targeted Dr. Wilgy to see if he went anywhere. I was surprised Matt didn't check me, but Matt gave me this story about how he's always wrong about Wilgy, so felt the need to check him.
• Night 4: Says he was vanilla because llama hadn't activated his ability yet. I questioned him on this one, because I figured llama had killed Night 3. But Matt hinted I woulda been dead if he had gotten one, so I lol'd and let it go.
• Night 5: Says his vote got +1'd from the Tranq lynch, but Matt missed the vote the next day, so it made it worthless.
• Night 6: Says he got BTSC with juliets. I should have asked for a transcript, but ah well. I also should have wondered, since Matt said he got BTSC with a player who later died. Matt said the BTSC did not go well, but he explained everything anyway (though he was under the mask of the Chatterbox).
• Day 7: Here's where it gets good. After Dom was nightkilled, Matt said he used Dom's power to learn Sorsha's role, which he informed me was Gustav Shrik, from Harry Stephen Keeler, a llama game. Matt then pointed to two instances in the thread (here and here) where he hinted to Sorsha that he knew her role. He also told me that he learned Sorsha was a civ, and for that reason, he knew that Dom could learn alignments when checking players. It was a good story. Matt didn't actually hint to her until Day 9, but it still came before Matt would have had any idea he'd get BTSC with another player, so it looked real.
• Night 7: Matt says he targeted nijuukygou with the question curse. After falling for the Sorsha bit, I was ready to believe anything Matt said, so I bought it.
• Night 8: No lynch, so no power.
• Night 9: Matt said he tried to target me, but I was not vote-blocked or anything. Juliets had a roleblocking role, so I just reasoned it was that.
• Night 10: Says he targeted himself Night 10 to remove a lynch vote from himself.

Anyway, the above was a really good story. Not perfect in retrospect, but certainly very believable. It was the reason I couldn't bring myself to actually vote Matt on the final day.

Matt said he got a protect on Night 11. We discussed who to protect. At that point, I thought bea was the final baddie, as did Matt. We knew Sorsha could not be nightkill because she was targeted the previous night. I explained to Matt that I had a Pikmin power on me, so I could not die. We knew that FZ had voted for the Mechaspark role, so we presumed that she got a shield out of it, and probably used it on herself. That left Matt no choices for the protect, except for the suspect in bea. I thought about telling Matt to protect her anyway, but I never said it. Anyway, bea was eventually nightkilled, which did make me second-guess Matt for a bit. I knew that he knew that bea was the only player who would be successfully nightkilled, and thus his only option. Had I told him to protect bea, either I would have found out he was full of shit, or he woulda targeted myself or FZ instead, resulting in no death.

Also, I gave Sorsha a similar hint that Matt did that I knew her role. I took her response as confirmation. Because I did, I found myself late believing she was bad, having a role from a llama game. That coupled with a few other things determined my vote.


Anyway, well played Matt. You all can call me foolish, naive Marmot now. I deserve it.

No more foolish than I newt.

I should have redirected him instead of me that night. It would have been confirmation to me at least that he was bad even if I had to try to convince you guys. I had already accepted my lynch so I was trying to use the Sorsha gift and my redirect to give you all as much info as I could when I role flipped.

[bea]

Also where did the hunger curses cone from? Was that newt then?

[S~V~S]

No The Llama team had the Hunger as one of their positions.

[MacDougall]

The Llama Team Modus Operandi:

Vociferously defend teammates even in extremely precarious situations
Kill anyone who suspects us, even if they seem likely to be lynched
Make insane plays in the thread that people will invariably say "they couldn't possibly be mafia doing that"
Gambit, gambit, gambit
Buddy the fuck out of everybody who ever civ reads you even remotely
No bussing

tl;dr Do all the things that everyone is convinced the mafia don't do that are obviously beneficial tactics to do as mafia. Win via wifom.

[bea]

They hungered me to vote and casebuild on one of their own? That's some ballz there.

I am impressed. You got me to jump on that grenade soley because I thought you had to be civ if someone was FORCING me to come out against you. Then guilt and number of days before I would die vs number of days the game would likely last kicked in and I took the "high road."

Mac. You will have to fight so hard now. And I'm sorry for that. Most I think of as good until proven otherwise. You are now bad untill proven good.

[MacDougall]

Also where did the hunger curses cone from? Was that newt then?

We hungered you onto me to encourage you to believe that I am not bad.

We would have won on a fair few occasions late game if not for misfortune. If I didn't change from targeting FZ to sorsha we would have won and the two indies would have too. Had sorsha actually died we'd have won the next day anyway because we had feed and double vote in play (the mods actually made a boo boo there). If Metalmarsh had have been lynched instead of Motel Room, we'd have won then too. We'd have won almost certainly the following day had DharmaHelper not killed Wilgy.

I don't think it was mentioned that our four roles were actually interchangeable in way. One of our team abilities was being able to select a role to drop as we lost players. I actually was the protector from the beginning but I had dropped it when Motel Room died and had become the doublevoter. Matt was always the feeder. The mods thought we wanted to drop the feed role, but we hadn't so the night post was wrong. We still had the doublevote and the feed in play when Matt and I were both alive. I actually thought Matt and I were in a coinflip situation but evidently FZ had given Metalmarsh extra votes. I think had I survived we'd have probably not won in hindsight. Anyway yeah so if Sorsha died Matt and I together had too much voter influence to lose the next day. So not only did I fuck up by not killing FZ, sorsha not dying really fucked me over haha.

I almost did choose to keep the protect and actually target and protect myself at the same time to make myself look like a civ so it was amusing when people started suggesting sorsha did it to herself. Should have tried it but alas we won anyway.

[MacDougall]

They hungered me to vote and casebuild on one of their own? That's some ballz there.

I am impressed. You got me to jump on that grenade soley because I thought you had to be civ if someone was FORCING me to come out against you. Then guilt and number of days before I would die vs number of days the game would likely last kicked in and I took the "high road."

Mac. You will have to fight so hard now. And I'm sorry for that. Most I think of as good until proven otherwise. You are now bad untill proven good.

How about everyone is nothing until you get an inclination that they are something?

[MacDougall]

I forgot to mention that Motel Room almost got mod-killed for low participation and actually wanted to be. We had to beg him to interrupt his holidays to just play stupidly because we figured everyone would assume if he was bad that he wouldn't play that stupid. Ricochet called it as it was at one point. Motel Room was actually supposed to switch his vote from Wilgy to Draconus on the day that neither were lynched. Glad he didn't because it would have looked super bad.

[bea]

They hungered me to vote and casebuild on one of their own? That's some ballz there.

I am impressed. You got me to jump on that grenade soley because I thought you had to be civ if someone was FORCING me to come out against you. Then guilt and number of days before I would die vs number of days the game would likely last kicked in and I took the "high road."

Mac. You will have to fight so hard now. And I'm sorry for that. Most I think of as good until proven otherwise. You are now bad untill proven good.

How about everyone is nothing until you get an inclination that they are something?

That's just flat out crazy talk.

[Matt]

Hi!

So yesterday, 40 minutes before the lynch ends, I had the pleasure of losing my internet lulz. I was trippin' out. It was fixed today while I was at work, and I just now found out we won. I was worried the game was going on and me not talking would lead everyone to believe I'm bad haha.

Wow, amazing game. Thanks hosts!

Wilgy and Mac are cray cray partners, peeps. I don't think this has been mentioned, but if I recall correctly, Wilgy knew Golden switched on the day of the 4 way tie and actually PURPOSELY made it a tie again. Bwahahaha. At least I think that's what happened. Never forget.

Marmot - Dude, I'm sorry bro! I thought you would win with us at the end there, that sucks. Great game not getting lynched ever, despite me howling to the moon about Dom haha. That story I fed you was insane. Ask Turnip, I was so nervous lulz.

Drac - No hard feeling dude. Right back at you, anything I said in game was purely for trying to win purposes.

Wilgy, Mac, motel -

#alwayslistentowilgy

[MacDougall]

Can vouch that Matt was a nervous wreck when he was in btsc with Metalmarsh. Can also vouch that he was a nervous wreck pretty much the entire game. Can also vouch that he was super upset that he had to lie to Metalmarsh.