Day 12 ~ 2015 Game of Champions

#8301

Also Wilgy and I had the never forget banner in our signatures the entire time like come on guys.

#8302

MacDougall wrote:Also Wilgy and I had the never forget banner in our signatures the entire time like come on guys.

It's true though, MM, I didn't like lying to you.

#8303

Turnip, loved the derp a derp in the night post.

Loved being able tunnel on MM for days on end suspish free

#8304

Also, SVS/Turnip told me about how Sorsha shouldn't have been silenced. I felt super bad and towards the end there I tried to get MM to switch back to FZ. I see he did switch for a second.

Hosts - If MM had switched to FZ, would he and Sorsha have won?

Btw FZ - Great game. I enjoy playing you btw, and you were right, I shouldn't have come out of the gate like that on you. But consider, I had just talked MM into believing me so I had to "believe him", and I claimed Sorsha to be good all game so I had no other choice haha. You're an awesome hunter, though. For realz yo.

Also bea, I did not enjoy killing you. You know you're one of my faves but I literally had no other option that night.

#8305

Oh yeah... My lynch swap into tie was on purpose

I was mashing F5 at the speed of sound and snuck in a vote as soon as I saw Golden swap.

#8306

MacDougall wrote:Can vouch that Matt was a nervous wreck when he was in btsc with Metalmarsh. Can also vouch that he was a nervous wreck pretty much the entire game. Can also vouch that he was super upset that he had to lie to Metalmarsh.

I've had baddie bts with our matt. I can see all of that.

Also matt. I know. You wouldn't kill me unless you had to. The fault was mine. I picked the wrong redirect target. Good job MOM.

#8307

DrWilgy wrote:Oh yeah... My lynch swap into tie was on purpose

I was mashing F5 at the speed of sound and snuck in a vote as soon as I saw Golden swap.

You and Mac were hilarious with that tie business. Even in btsc, trying to plan more ties after that one lol.

Thanks Wilgy for staying on.

Other team was awesome too haha. Btw, I think we just got lucky with Zeebs right? If I remember, we destroyed you Zeebs because we were afraid of you. Lulz.

Linki - DEX EST MOM.

#8308

MacDougall wrote:The Llama Team Modus Operandi:

Vociferously defend teammates even in extremely precarious situations
Kill anyone who suspects us, even if they seem likely to be lynched
Make insane plays in the thread that people will invariably say "they couldn't possibly be mafia doing that"
Gambit, gambit, gambit
Buddy the fuck out of everybody who ever civ reads you even remotely
No bussing

tl;dr Do all the things that everyone is convinced the mafia don't do that are obviously beneficial tactics to do as mafia. Win via wifom.

Genius. Fucking. Genius.

#8309

Matt wrote:If I remember, we destroyed you Zeebs because we were afraid of you. Lulz.

#8310

That was some fun times. It's neat to see how much you've changed since then matt, but how still somethings remain the same. You can pull off the most amazing baddie shit ever by being as ballz to the walls as you were that first game.

And also daisy would have spotted it far sooner than I did if she hadn't had to replace out.

#8311

Matt wrote:Btw FZ - Great game. I enjoy playing you btw,

*ahem* I enjoy playing with* you

The other way looks like I'm insulting you, not intended haha.

Yeah bea, I had a blast. Your role looks like a lot of fun, though. Who did you target each night? Or are we waiting for stories from hosts? And no kidding, that SD...

Also, I started this and Lost on the same day and was a baddie in both. It was really strange for me to be teamed up with Wilgy in this and against him in Lost haha. At one point in Lost, I even hinted at our being teamies here by saying "For some reason, I don't think Wilgy is bad this game".

#8312

Yeah we killed Zebra because I just wanted her out of my life.

Also day 1 Mac lives on. Called Lorab out in my first post hahaha. Called Draco out. Zebra talked her way out of my scum read but DH had me fooled for a few days at least.

#8313

Matt wrote:Hosts - If MM had switched to FZ, would he and Sorsha have won?

Yep. That's the ending I originally wrote, you three skipped off into the sunset with each other. Even with MM's vote on Sorsha, FZ would have been lynched because Sorsha decided ties. But then MM sent in his extra vote one minute before the deadline

#8314

Turnip Head wrote:
Matt wrote:Hosts - If MM had switched to FZ, would he and Sorsha have won?
Yep. That's the ending I originally wrote, you three skipped off into the sunset with each other. Even with MM's vote on Sorsha, FZ would have been lynched because Sorsha decided ties. But then MM sent in his extra vote one minute before the deadline

Literally seconds.

#8315

It's okay Marmot, you win in spirit.

#8316

Matt wrote:
Matt wrote:Also, I started this and Lost on the same day and was a baddie in both. It was really strange for me to be teamed up with Wilgy in this and against him in Lost haha. At one point in Lost, I even hinted at our being teamies here by saying "For some reason, I don't think Wilgy is bad this game".

I noticed

that's how I caught Scotty lol!

#8317

I think if there is one piece of advice I'd like to give to everybody really, it's that as the day closes, go through all the cases and put your vote on the one that is the right combination of best case + most likely to be lynched. Far too often people just vote for the candidate that they built their own case on, or worse they just drive by vote someone on a ping that they haven't even elaborated on. When civilians play that way it is just way too easy as a bad guy to just not have to answer for your vote.

#8318

Long Con wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Boomslang was:
Frans - Guess Who?~CIVVIE
Each Night, choose someone who may only ask yes or no questions the next Day
Fuck you, Boomslang.

I couldn't stop laughing.

#8319

Basically just be more responsible with your vote. I intentionally tried to play this one like a cautionary tale. The mafia meta here allowed me to skate through day after day actually being outwardly obviously bad because bad play is written off as bad, not mafia. As a civilian it can be hard to keep up with contributions but ultimately your biggest obvious influence is your vote and if you are thoughtful with it, as the game goes by it builds the pressure on the bad guys and makes them stand out more.

But for real, Boomslang buddy wtf.

I reckon Boomslang did the civs a favour though because LC was right in the hammer of being played by me, bless him. He'd already wasted two separate nights on giving me BTSC and had another one blocked. Had me first night and then I told him to get Wilgy in there... He chose bea of his own accord out of fear that I kept telling him to invite my teammies (I actually had just told him to invite Matt hahaha) which in hindsight was probably not the wisest choice because bea, bless her she's such a trusting lady he probably should have invited someone a bit more discerning to analyse the situation.

You saw how much me and Wilgy simply HAVING btsc with LC convinced bea we were good, btsc is a strange beast because you just can't help but trust who you're talking to. I did the same thing in AWR with Hamburger Boy (who fuck me is an outrageously good player). If he invited a couple more civs before dying Wilgy and myself might have found ourself part of a civvie voting bloc hahaha.

#8320

Actually that reminds me, LC who was the other person you had BTSC with?

#8321

Honestly MM if I had considered it (I didn't think it was a possible scenario tbh), I would have clarified your win condition to be"at least two or ALL living players must have voted for you". I know you told me you don't think you deserve the win but I disagree. You were under fire most of the game and at one point with like 7 or 8 players left you had managed to get all of them to vote for you. And just like the original Sidoh you tried to help the civvies win, even though you had no reason to (and were ultimately unsuccessful). :P

You had a difficult win condition, you were ready to give up but you kept going and you gave it everything you had. The win is yours if you want it.

#8322

Turnip Head wrote:Honestly MM if I had considered it (I didn't think it was a possible scenario tbh), I would have clarified your win condition to be"at least two or ALL living players must have voted for you". I know you told me you don't think you deserve the win but I disagree. You were under fire most of the game and at one point with like 7 or 8 players left you had managed to get all of them to vote for you. And just like the original Sidoh you tried to help the civvies win, even though you had no reason to (and were ultimately unsuccessful). :P

You had a difficult win condition, you were ready to give up but you kept going and you gave it everything you had. The win is yours if you want it.

These are the best hosts ever! Handing out wins for technicalities and for spirit.

If you're offering, I will graciously accept it.

I thought about PM'ing you with this exact question on Day 12, but decided I didn't want to know the answer, and just play for the civ win instead.

#8323

It's not just for spirit :P You achieved your win condition. It wasn't clear what would happen with fewer than two players, and it would have made no sense NOT to clarify it the way I did above.

#8324

Marmot - the true king of winning in obscure ways. The 2015 Game of Champions would not have truly represented 2015 without it. Marmot, you must accept.

#8325

Lol Matt dominates everybody and magically has to share the victory with the other scum team and an indy because fuzzies.

Booooooooooo

#8326

MacDougall wrote:Lol Matt dominates everybody and magically has to share the victory with the other scum team and an indy because fuzzies.

Booooooooooo

I feel so sorry for you. Here have another win.

#8327

Turnip Head wrote:It's not just for spirit :P You achieved your win condition. It wasn't clear what would happen with fewer than two players, and it would have made no sense NOT to clarify it the way I did above.

Haha, true. Regardless, I appreciate it very much. I'll be sure to write a Survival guide to mafia that follows these guidelines.

Night 0 ---> Day 1: Do everything in your power to get yourself lynched (but don't actually get lynched). People ignore obvious scumslips when they actually happen, and only tend to care days later.

Day 2 ---> Day 4 : Act like you have no idea how to play mafia. Not only that, pretend you don't even know you're posting in a mafia thread. People will take a little while to notice this behavior, and the mafia teams won't kill you because you're entertaining. Claim neutral if you're feeling a little too uncomfortable with this stage.

Day 5 ---> Day 7: Around Night 4/Day 5, slowly begin to transition your behavior to actual mafia suspicions and on-topic discussion. Not only this but make sure that every single one of your suspects is a civilian, and also make sure you make a couple of crucial, late-day votes. This is important. Civilians are sometimes wrong, so you must show some mortality, and mafia won't have any interest in nightkilling such a terrible civilian. If you time it just right, people won't get the chance to mention your previous useless behavior.

Day 8 ---> Onward: Now's where you have to work hard. You need to net yourself a nice baddie lynch (preferably a close one), and put your vote on it. At this point in the game, people will be looking at you and your terrible record. Since many folks will want to lynch you, mafia won't bother killing you. All you've gotta do is keep on lynching baddies, and eventually folks will come around. You don't have to do all the work, just make sure those baddies hit the floor.

With this, you will finish the game very much alive. :P

#8328

You forgot an important step: Make sure the role checker says something sketchy about you, so that a baddie will harp on it all game thinking you'll eventually be an easy lynch.

#8329

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Honestly MM if I had considered it (I didn't think it was a possible scenario tbh), I would have clarified your win condition to be"at least two or ALL living players must have voted for you". I know you told me you don't think you deserve the win but I disagree. You were under fire most of the game and at one point with like 7 or 8 players left you had managed to get all of them to vote for you. And just like the original Sidoh you tried to help the civvies win, even though you had no reason to (and were ultimately unsuccessful). :P

You had a difficult win condition, you were ready to give up but you kept going and you gave it everything you had. The win is yours if you want it.
These are the best hosts ever! Handing out wins for technicalities and for spirit. If you're offering, I will graciously accept it.

I thought about PM'ing you with this exact question on Day 12, but decided I didn't want to know the answer, and just play for the civ win instead.

No, you're supposed to have a change of heart brought on by their generosity and say "I know someone who wants this more than me..." and hand it over to Sorsha. You have failed.

MacDougall wrote:Actually that reminds me, LC who was the other person you had BTSC with?

Just bea. I chose JJJ the night he was killed.

MacDougall wrote:Basically just be more responsible with your vote. I intentionally tried to play this one like a cautionary tale. The mafia meta here allowed me to skate through day after day actually being outwardly obviously bad because bad play is written off as bad, not mafia. As a civilian it can be hard to keep up with contributions but ultimately your biggest obvious influence is your vote and if you are thoughtful with it, as the game goes by it builds the pressure on the bad guys and makes them stand out more.

But for real, Boomslang buddy wtf.

I hope his fancy new GutBased Truth NegatorTM doesn't make it past this testing phase and into the open market.

In a Champions Game too!

I reckon Boomslang did the civs a favour though because LC was right in the hammer of being played by me, bless him. He'd already wasted two separate nights on giving me BTSC and had another one blocked. Had me first night and then I told him to get Wilgy in there...

I figured, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. The fact that you tried to save my life during the Boomslang debacle lynch is a testament to that. If I had outlived either you or Wilgy, then it would not have looked good for you, and as you said, you mentioned Matt as well.

He chose bea of his own accord out of fear that I kept telling him to invite my teammies (I actually had just told him to invite Matt hahaha) which in hindsight was probably not the wisest choice because bea, bless her she's such a trusting lady he probably should have invited someone a bit more discerning to analyse the situation.

I was glad to have bea. She was my favourite BTSC.

You saw how much me and Wilgy simply HAVING btsc with LC convinced bea we were good, btsc is a strange beast because you just can't help but trust who you're talking to. I did the same thing in AWR with Hamburger Boy (who fuck me is an outrageously good player). If he invited a couple more civs before dying Wilgy and myself might have found ourself part of a civvie voting bloc hahaha.

I didn't tell bea that you guys were Civvies, you did that by being the in-thread cheerleader for the Save LC BTSC Squad. It was very convincing!

But we talked about watching out for telltale signs of lies, like Wilgy not saving me if I got lynched.

#8330

LC Did you really have tricks in BTSC to clear people or was that horseshit.

#8331

Lol I think Marmot deserves a win anyway.

Btw Marmot, Mac wanted to hold you at gunpoint when I got btsc with you rofl. "Just threaten to kill him and make him join us" bwahahaha. Mac is ruthless.

#8332

The LC+bea chatroom was my favorite. Hilarious stuff. LC was trying new ways to trick his chat targets, and bea wasn't having any of it. Then they became best friends.

#8333

Matt wrote:Lol I think Marmot deserves a win anyway.

Btw Marmot, Mac wanted to hold you at gunpoint when I got btsc with you rofl. "Just threaten to kill him and make him join us" bwahahaha. Mac is ruthless.

I wish you had. I couldn't be nightkilled that night anyway.

#8334

Yeah, the pikmin! Lol.

Btw, a lot of people were givin' motel a hard time, but like mac said, props to him for stickin' it out. Dude is literally on vacation and we're begging him to post every now and then and vote. "Nah dude, don't get mod killed!! What a waste!"

One of my favorite moments of the game was Mac "begging" motel to help save Wilgy in thread.

#8335

DharmaHelper wrote:LC Did you really have tricks in BTSC to clear people or was that horseshit.

Total horseshit. The only trick I had was to try and act like I already knew from my role that my chat friend was bad, and gauge the reaction.

Turnip Head wrote:The LC+bea chatroom was my favorite. Hilarious stuff. LC was trying new ways to trick his chat targets, and bea wasn't having any of it. Then they became best friends.

True story. I lied and lied until I couldn't squeeze any more information out of her (she clammed up in the presence of lies/withheld info), and then I told the truth and she believed me and told me all about her role and positions and we earnestly made plans together... I was very sad when bea redirected the wrong person that lylo night. Happy she survived, but I was REALLY hoping for an epic Civvie win at the hands of Ahriman.

#8336

Yeah, the Pikmin.

Ricochet is like "WTF, why are you voting for Black Rock?" I respond "Mate, I might get something nice".

#8337

Also, I think after Lorab was lynched, Wilgy and Mac concluded that Kubrick was bullshit because it wasn't an Epignosis role. Haha. And that Kubrick bs almost completely screwed us near the end there.

#8338

I also figured out Kubrick was bullshit. Eventually.

Then JJJ died and it didn't matter to me anymore.

#8339

Fyi LC, I really did miss the vote on accident the day you were lynched. I think Mac really did want to save you for the cred, but I can't exactly remember. In fact, Wilgy, didn't you really miss the vote that day too, or not? I don't recall.

I think early in the game, only one of us sent in our night powers on night 2 or 3 because we all forgot to send them in lulz.

#8340

Turnip Head wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Lol Matt dominates everybody and magically has to share the victory with the other scum team and an indy because fuzzies.

Booooooooooo
I feel so sorry for you. Here have another win.

Mate. Yes please.

#8341

Matt wrote:Fyi LC, I really did miss the vote on accident the day you were lynched. I think Mac really did want to save you for the cred, but I can't exactly remember. In fact, Wilgy, didn't you really miss the vote that day too, or not? I don't recall.

I think early in the game, only one of us sent in our night powers on night 2 or 3 because we all forgot to send them in lulz.

Yes both you idiots no showed. LC would have survived and Draconus would have been lynched way earlier and we would have looked like fucking heroes.

#8342

Keeping in mind that it wasn't until about 3 days later that the thread started to realise there was more than one team and Draco would have been THE THIRD Epic Nose to die

#8343

MacDougall wrote:Basically just be more responsible with your vote. I intentionally tried to play this one like a cautionary tale. The mafia meta here allowed me to skate through day after day actually being outwardly obviously bad because bad play is written off as bad, not mafia. As a civilian it can be hard to keep up with contributions but ultimately your biggest obvious influence is your vote and if you are thoughtful with it, as the game goes by it builds the pressure on the bad guys and makes them stand out more.

But for real, Boomslang buddy wtf.

I reckon Boomslang did the civs a favour though because LC was right in the hammer of being played by me, bless him. He'd already wasted two separate nights on giving me BTSC and had another one blocked. Had me first night and then I told him to get Wilgy in there... He chose bea of his own accord out of fear that I kept telling him to invite my teammies (I actually had just told him to invite Matt hahaha) which in hindsight was probably not the wisest choice because bea, bless her she's such a trusting lady he probably should have invited someone a bit more discerning to analyse the situation.

You saw how much me and Wilgy simply HAVING btsc with LC convinced bea we were good, btsc is a strange beast because you just can't help but trust who you're talking to. I did the same thing in AWR with Hamburger Boy (who fuck me is an outrageously good player). If he invited a couple more civs before dying Wilgy and myself might have found ourself part of a civvie voting bloc hahaha.

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He didn't trust you 100 btw. I swapped your powers to him that night to see if he ended up deaded. It was more the role than lc truat. When I couldn't pin you down to any role but that role, it was easy to believe that you were on the up and up. Lc and I did work out a thread code. And don't think for one red second he didn't have to work HARD in our bts to get me to trust that he wasn't bad.

In the end, maybe he would have seen it and things would have been different. But yea. Sweet trusting bea was trying to poke her own holes, she was just the fail.

#8344

bea wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Basically just be more responsible with your vote. I intentionally tried to play this one like a cautionary tale. The mafia meta here allowed me to skate through day after day actually being outwardly obviously bad because bad play is written off as bad, not mafia. As a civilian it can be hard to keep up with contributions but ultimately your biggest obvious influence is your vote and if you are thoughtful with it, as the game goes by it builds the pressure on the bad guys and makes them stand out more.

But for real, Boomslang buddy wtf.

I reckon Boomslang did the civs a favour though because LC was right in the hammer of being played by me, bless him. He'd already wasted two separate nights on giving me BTSC and had another one blocked. Had me first night and then I told him to get Wilgy in there... He chose bea of his own accord out of fear that I kept telling him to invite my teammies (I actually had just told him to invite Matt hahaha) which in hindsight was probably not the wisest choice because bea, bless her she's such a trusting lady he probably should have invited someone a bit more discerning to analyse the situation.

You saw how much me and Wilgy simply HAVING btsc with LC convinced bea we were good, btsc is a strange beast because you just can't help but trust who you're talking to. I did the same thing in AWR with Hamburger Boy (who fuck me is an outrageously good player). If he invited a couple more civs before dying Wilgy and myself might have found ourself part of a civvie voting bloc hahaha.
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He didn't trust you 100 btw. I swapped your powers to him that night to see if he ended up deaded. It was more the role than lc truat. When I couldn't pin you down to any role but that role, it was easy to believe that you were on the up and up. Lc and I did work out a thread code. And don't think for one red second he didn't have to work HARD in our bts to get me to trust that he wasn't bad.

In the end, maybe he would have seen it and things would have been different. But yea. Sweet trusting bea was trying to poke her own holes, she was just the fail.

bea, I am sorry. You're way lovely and awesome and sweet. Next time you are bad fool the shit out of me in retaliation.

#8345

Lol sadly I'm the suck at fooling anyone. Hehe. Good job to you though. For realzies. That was super well played. And based in a half truth I had thread evidence for. It's hard to dispute stuff like that.

#8346

Turnip Head wrote:You forgot an important step: Make sure the role checker says something sketchy about you, so that a baddie will harp on it all game thinking you'll eventually be an easy lynch.

#8347

Also, me dropping hints that I was Sidoh, but nobody picking up on them (I don't think).

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I am Ryuk. Discuss.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm only roleclaiming if you give me chocolate.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I do feel more mellow now that DH doesn't want to lynch me though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Long Con wrote:What is this fruit thing??!
Certain roles are supposed to like a certain fruit, if said certain roles exist in this game. I've basically tried to get some role hints by asking about the "fruit thing".
I am a fan of cider though.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Do I sound like the same MM from Death Note? Perhaps.

You and Ricochet should have a discussion about that. And maybe DharmaHelper too.

#8348

DH wanted to lynch me so bad but he just couldn't do it.

#8349

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DH wanted to lynch me so bad but he just couldn't do it.

Good thing too. That would have fucked my credibility up.

#8350

Boomslang's lurking...will he speak? Muhahaha.

Marmot, I forgot, I was actually worried when you posted...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:I don't know Mac- who would a Matt/FZ team try to kill? Why would they pick me?

Who would you have picked?

I haven't tried working out many players roles as the game went on. The roles are turning out to not be like they were in the original games- powers and alignments have been changed so I gave up trying to figure it out.
I think Mac would pick you. You can take that to the bank. :P

LOL.

I thought "Please don't come in here Sorsha and be like 'whaaaa' " bwahahahaha

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