[DAY 9] Mafia of Montreal: A Variety of Whimsical Murder

[DFaraday]

Also, why wouldn't it be a fast vote? You and Indi both all but confirmed you're not GP baddies, so I have no reason to vote for either of you. That literally only leaves Zebra.

[Long Con]

Do dead posts break it up for the non-consecutive rule?

[Enrique]

nahh

[Marmot]

Do dead posts break it up for the non-consecutive rule?

But you posting helps me get posts.

Can I win if I reach the quota before the living players do? :P

[Long Con]

Do dead posts break it up for the non-consecutive rule?

But you posting helps me get posts.

Can I win if I reach the quota before the living players do? :P

Only one way to find out!

[Marmot]

Do dead posts break it up for the non-consecutive rule?

But you posting helps me get posts.

Can I win if I reach the quota before the living players do? :P

Only one way to find out!

Ooh! Tell me what it is.

[Long Con]

Do dead posts break it up for the non-consecutive rule?

But you posting helps me get posts.

Can I win if I reach the quota before the living players do? :P

Only one way to find out!

Ooh! Tell me what it is.

Mega-multiquote powerrrrr!!!!!!!!!

[a2thezebra]

I think Dana most likely was one of their team, or else their third was already dead.

If their third wasn't already dead then Dana had to be one of their team because otherwise that would mean that at the time they had 50% of the vote and therefore no possible reason to bus LC. Because Dana didn't ping me once in the entire game I'm inclined to think that their third was already dead, and now LC is dead too. That means we just need one more GP dead and I can win this with the other two living civs. Problem is I don't trust anyone who's alive one bit, but I also don't have much reason to vote for anyone in particular either.

halp

[a2thezebra]

Zebra you accused ekeknat of being on a team with LC, what do you make of him being killed?

Obviously I was wrong, and he probably was in fact a GP civ. I don't know why a Coque civ would claim GP civ unless he was really confident in a Coque civ win and wanted to help the GP civs win as well, and the only other possibility is that the GP mafia nk'd one of their own teammates since the other mafia is kapoot.

[a2thezebra]

I think Ekeknat was right that Zebra is also bad. His going after both of them is probably what got him killed.

Post 1 of 10 in 24 hours (ugh)

This makes zero sense and you're full of shit. Unless I see a post that tops this in obvious bullshit before the end of the day, then you're getting my vote for this alone. I don't care if you call it an OMGUS.

[a2thezebra]

Zebra must be a GP baddie since they haven't been eliminated. In which case, I really want Zebra gone.

What about indiglo? Spacedaisy? Yourself? If you think I'm bad then okay, but why are you trying to argue that I somehow MUST be the GP baddie since they haven't been eliminated yet. If this was undeniable fact then why is this not an easy lynch? Why is there even discussion? I don't think you want discussion and that's all that your irrational quick-let's-lynch-Zebra-she-MUST-be-GP mentality is promoting. Sorry, I don't fucking buy it.

[a2thezebra]

At this point, I have no reason to consider whom to vote for, so I'll go ahead and vote Zebra right away.

Post 3 of 10

So. Full. Of shit. How could you possibly have no reason to even consider who to vote for? Why is the lynch that obvious to you? You've barely even mentioned me in the entire fucking game before today and now I'm so obviously bad to you that you're outright saying that you don't have reason to fucking CONSIDER anyone else?

[a2thezebra]

Non-consecutive, playerino.

I guess I'll just have to spend my whole weekend at my laptop.

Daisy, I don't have any way to prove I'm not teamed with LC. All I can tell you is I'm civ. My sloppy, hardly-paying-attention gameplay throughout this whole game is the best evidence I have that I'm not invested in any team.

"I'm not playing well, therefore I must be civ"

Give me a break.

[a2thezebra]

Also, why wouldn't it be a fast vote? You and Indi both all but confirmed you're not GP baddies, so I have no reason to vote for either of you. That literally only leaves Zebra.

In what universe? Where is the evidence indicating that they are all but confirmed civilian? Why are you trying to make a difficult lynch appear a simple one?

[a2thezebra]

I will be surprised if either SD or indiglo are going to post something bad enough to make me vote for them instead of DFaraday at this point but I'm still going to wait until near the deadline just in case.

[a2thezebra]

I mean seriously. Why would a Coque civilian - regardless of whether or not they care about a GP civ win - vote that early and with that much confidence that they are right when there's fuck-all to warrant that confidence? Why would a GP civilian - the last GP civilian - vote that early and that recklessly when voting for the wrong person and leading to their lynch will result in them and their team losing the entire game after getting this far? Now a GP baddie - the last GP baddie - that makes sense. A desperate attempt to mislynch the actual last GP civilian by making things look bizarrely obvious and hoping enough of the few remaining fall for it to secure the win.

[a2thezebra]

The reason that DFaraday used to justify his LC vote was that LC started "suspecting" DFaraday out of nowhere...and now that's exactly what DFaraday is doing to me. I mean, he didn't even say it was a gut read or anything. He just said that I, somehow, MUST be the last GP baddie. Despite having ten posts to fill up he never bothered to use one of them to elaborate on how that's even possible, or how Spacedaisy and indiglo are basically confirmed civs in his eyes. I think that he's hoping his confidence in me being bad will be enough to sway everyone to lynch me instead of him.

[Spacedaisy]

Also, why wouldn't it be a fast vote? You and Indi both all but confirmed you're not GP baddies, so I have no reason to vote for either of you. That literally only leaves Zebra.

Only if what we are claiming is true. I take it you believe us. I am not even sure about indi so it would surprise me if you are.

[DFaraday]

Also, why wouldn't it be a fast vote? You and Indi both all but confirmed you're not GP baddies, so I have no reason to vote for either of you. That literally only leaves Zebra.

Only if what we are claiming is true. I take it you believe us. I am not even sure about indi so it would surprise me if you are.

I do believe you. I think it's more likely that you're both civ than that one of you is false role hinting, and furthermore, I haven't seen anything which links either of you to LC. Indi's reaching out to Daisy as Coque civ seems like a weird strategy if she herself isn't Coque, especially since the GP baddies don't have a role checker, and hence, no way of knowing Daisy's alignment for sure.

Also, Daisy voted for LC Day 1, when he had a fair chance of being lynched, and continued to post suspicions of him. I know teammates sometimes bus each other, but that would be ridiculous. I think it's pretty much a lock that Daisy is civ.

[DFaraday]

Zebra must be a GP baddie since they haven't been eliminated. In which case, I really want Zebra gone.

What about indiglo? Spacedaisy? Yourself? If you think I'm bad then okay, but why are you trying to argue that I somehow MUST be the GP baddie since they haven't been eliminated yet. If this was undeniable fact then why is this not an easy lynch? Why is there even discussion? I don't think you want discussion and that's all that your irrational quick-let's-lynch-Zebra-she-MUST-be-GP mentality is promoting. Sorry, I don't fucking buy it.

I think it's a bit rich that you're reacting so strongly to this when you are similarly assured of yourself at least a few times in every game.

My most recent post explains my thought process, which more or less addresses everything in your last 5 posts.

[Spacedaisy]

How do you feel about the fact that Indi voted with Long Con for you yesterday? I personally found it a convenient excuse about the up button. It just so happened to cause her to vote for the same person as LC...

[Spacedaisy]

Speaking of, did we not get a screen cap of the poll?

[DFaraday]

How do you feel about the fact that Indi voted with Long Con for you yesterday? I personally found it a convenient excuse about the up button. It just so happened to cause her to vote for the same person as LC...

I wasn't around to see the poll when it was up, so I didn't know she did that. I've accidentally voted for myself before, so I can't really be too harsh on anyone there. :P

I do admit that it's possible Indi is playing you, but I still think her gambit is a weird strategy if so, especially starting it yesterday in the middle of LC's lynch.

[Spacedaisy]

I just don't know what to make of any of you. None of your reactions are what I would expect. Dr and zebra going after each other instead of the person that came out of that lynch looking most suspicious is really really weird to me. I can't even.

[DFaraday]

I just don't know what to make of any of you. None of your reactions are what I would expect. Dr and zebra going after each other instead of the person that came out of that lynch looking most suspicious is really really weird to me. I can't even.

Wait, so you really think Indi is most suspicious?

[indiglo]

You can think that my mistake was not honest, that is your right. And there is no way I can prove it to you until I'm either lynched or the game is over and my role is revealed. (And I can't wait for that to happen to prove that I am civ.) You can think that I have a convenient excuse, but I have not used this website in probably close to 2 years, and it is formatted differently from other sites I currently use more frequently. There have been multiple aspects I have had to relearn about using this site.

By trying using the arrows to scroll up and down (which I always do because using the touch pad on my laptop is a complete PITA), my vote marker moved without me realizing it. It's not a convenient excuse, it's the truth. I was rushing because it was nearly the end of the poll, my laptop battery was about to die, and I didn't want to miss the vote and die. It's that simple. I have explained myself clearly and honestly, and that is all I can do. Well that, and try to figure out who is the best person to vote for today.

[Spacedaisy]

I find her vote really suspicious yes. But her actions currently are less suspicious than both you and zebra.

[a2thezebra]

It's really looking like my vote is going to DFaraday today. SD, I'm curious why you find me suspicious at all. Is it for not suspecting indiglo after that vote? Because I try not to go after people for things they can't defend against. S~V~S and Scotty were different because I was able to get reactions out of both of them in response to my slip accusation. I'm a little unnerved that no one has even considered that you could be the last baddie as well, did I miss some post where you were confirmed civ or what?

[a2thezebra]

Well that, and try to figure out who is the best person to vote for today.

Who are you leaning towards? DFaraday says I'm the obvious choice, I think he's the obvious choice but I haven't voted yet just in case, and Spacedaisy says your actions look the worst but your posts look the best? Or something?

[indiglo]

Well, I'm just working on finishing up a re-read of DF. I have noticed a pattern of a subtle defense of LC by DF from the very beginning. So, to start, we have this:

Night 1

I'm so sorry I missed the vote, Enrique! I saw the end time when I wasn't logged in and thought I had two more hours. It won't happen again!

It seemes like the most obvious solution is that Scotty is a Repudiated Immortal. And even though I have nothing to support this idea, I suspect that Nutella is the other member and Scotty kept saying he suspected her so that people wouldn't draw a connection between them.

At the moment, I'm most suspicious of the people who voted LC for no particular reason (i.e., all of them).

Eh, I think suspecting him for not recognizing your meta (which, as he pointed out, you can deliberately change) wasn't very convincing, although you did cite more reason than the other LC voters. And Boulders straight up saying he wanted to join the LC bandwagon made it look even weirder to me.

If Nutella is the other Immortal, she would know that Scotty wouldn't die on Day 1, so it makes sense to me that she'd throw him under the bus. Distancing when your teammate secretly isn't in any real danger seems like a clever move to me.

I wasn't playing at that point, but I gather there was a vote for LC. (I is so smart.) And that DF was then suspicious of those who voted LC "for no reason"...

[Spacedaisy]

Because ekeknat was killed. It would seem he had an info role based on things he said. And he believed you were gay parade. And you have gone after DF today instead of Indi. can't wrap my brain around why.

[indiglo]

Then, Day 2 posts:


Day 2

I have the LC voters at the top of my list right now, except for SVS, who had a reason. I'll go over their posts and see what stands out.

I am *voting Daisy* for her weak reason for voting LC. It was also the last vote on him, making it feel extra bandwagony.

I have no idea what's going on with Boulder/Skyloverguycat, but I feel like it's probably unrelated to their alignment.

We can't really assume that since there are two baddie teams. But either way, I read the LC voters (besides SVS) and finding a convenient place to stick their votes without having to make a case on their own. It's what I'd have done as a baddie.

More subtle defense of LC, and continued "looking at" those who voted him. He said he was going to go over posts, but I don't know if he did, he never posted anything more on that topic, just his vote for SD.

[indiglo]

Sorry I should be underlining or italicizing too, I just realized the stuff I've bolded doesn't show up that well.

[Spacedaisy]

Don't get me wrong I think her vote looks really bad, but the behavior of you two is even more so. Which leads me to conclude her claim is true and one of you is desperate to get rid of the other in order to win and the other is just trying to stay alive. One of you knows you don't need either her or me dead, that's any I'm the only one even talking about Indi's vote. You don't want to date your time lynching someone who won't net you a win.

[a2thezebra]

Because ekeknat was killed. It would seem he had an info role based on things he said. And he believed you were gay parade. And you have gone after DF today instead of Indi. can't wrap my brain around why.

I mean it's better than nothing, but it boils down to ekeknat being confident and me not sharing your uneasiness about indiglo's DFaraday vote. Compare that to how shady DF's been acting throughout the entire day with each of his posts and I don't see how there's even a contest.

[indiglo]

Day 4

Since I pretty much talked myself out of suspecting the LC voters I previously had on my list, I'll just go ahead and vote Made since there is a chance that insanity business could make him bad.

I have no strong feelings about LC or BR, but I lean civ slightly more on LC. I don't want to vote DP since he hasn't done anything to warrant suspicion.

I wonder if LC told DF in BTSC chat to let go of that suspicion of LC voters because it was looking strange. He did still manage to fit in a subtle defense of LC though.



Day 6

Because the end times are awkwardly right in the middle of my day, I won't be around for the rest of it. I'll go ahead and vote BR, since I find her more suspicious. I haven't really seen much of a case on LC.

Granted, the BR vote was a good one, but the GP team would be ok with that lynch too, because it didn't hurt them. Also notice more subtle defense of LC.



Linki...

[a2thezebra]

Don't get me wrong I think her vote looks really bad, but the behavior of you two is even more so. Which leads me to conclude her claim is true and one of you is desperate to get rid of the other in order to win and the other is just trying to stay alive. One of you knows you don't need either her or me dead, that's any I'm the only one even talking about Indi's vote. You don't want to date your time lynching someone who won't net you a win.

Unless you or indiglo are the last baddie, which is starting to look less and less likely, then you're right.

[indiglo]

Ok, and this one is the clincher for me. After spending the entire game, from night 0 to day 6 defending LC, not seeing a case on LC, and looking at people who voted for LC... ekeknat posts some confusing as shit stuff in the thread (no offense ekeknat, I know you had to be delicate)... and DF suddenly just lets go of all that defending, etc with nary a word, and votes LC. I really think LC told him to vote him, because he was going to likely be lynched due to the info, and if DF kept on defending him it was going to look worse than it already did.


Day 8

Well, since I'm not, maybe they were.

I really haven't been able to get a feel for what everyone's alignment is, but I feel like Ekeknat might have been onto something, so I'll go ahead and *vote LC*

[a2thezebra]

So unless you've got a re-read analysis for me as well indiglo, I'm assuming you're leaning with a DFaraday vote.

[indiglo]

At the moment, I think yes. However, to be fair, I chose to do his re-read first because he has about 1/4 the posts you have.

It's more daunting, but I do think it's time to start re-reading you. Well now, I'm actually going to do a re-read analysis of ekeknat's final posts. I want to see in more detail what he said about you.

And this is all assuming I'm right about SD. But, since nobody else is looking at her... I'm assuming my assumptions are right. (This sentence brought to you by our word of the day - ASSUME)

[a2thezebra]

I mean there's one baddie left and one GP civ left (moi) so I wouldn't write someone off just because no one else is looking at them.

[Spacedaisy]

So you suspect me zebra?

[a2thezebra]

So you suspect me zebra?

You pinged me once early on in the game and I haven't forgotten, but you haven't done anything since that I have found suspicious. Right now you would be the last person I would vote for (besides myself of course) but all the same, I can't say I don't suspect you at all. It's just that at this point it's my gut and how eerily little others have suspected you for some time.

[a2thezebra]

Here's when you pinged me earlier. I said "wishywashyception" because your post was calling out wishy-washyness but at the same time is extremely wishy-washy in itself.

ebwop, to say, I don't act like a pissy whiny bitch when I am bad, lol.

lol, have you been a pissy whiny bitch? I thought this is so funny.

On the fence on this potential slip. SVS is a very defensive person. She often compares her game... when bad. Seriously though, on the fence.

This post is the definition of wishy washy. It would look like someone who is waiting to see if this is going to gain momentum and if you can safely join that wagon. This is the one I saw that made me see why he might find you suspect in this whole scenario. I can't speak to why your first post made him think whatever he thought, but this one that stood out to me.

That said, I don't see anything else that would convince me to vote for you. I don't know that this is a baddie tell really or a cautious civ, so no stress about me voting you anytime soon.

Wishywashyception?

[indiglo]

So you suspect me zebra?

You pinged me once early on in the game and I haven't forgotten, but you haven't done anything since that I have found suspicious. Right now you would be the last person I would vote for (besides myself of course) but all the same, I can't say I don't suspect you at all. It's just that at this point it's my gut and how eerily little others have suspected you for some time.

So you would vote me over SD?

[a2thezebra]

So you suspect me zebra?

You pinged me once early on in the game and I haven't forgotten, but you haven't done anything since that I have found suspicious. Right now you would be the last person I would vote for (besides myself of course) but all the same, I can't say I don't suspect you at all. It's just that at this point it's my gut and how eerily little others have suspected you for some time.

So you would vote me over SD?

I would. But right now here's how it goes:

1. DFaraday







































































2. You
3. Spacedaisy

Can you dig it? And I don't even suspect you content-wise as much as I do Spacedaisy, it's just that because she was lynched and all I just think you're more likely to be bad from process of elimination. I don't know who everyone is obviously but she seems closer to a "all-but-confirmed-civ" (as DF would put it) than you do. I believe you about the vote thing because I feel like if you're bad then it would be easier to just say you didn't want to vote for LC and own it rather then not vote LC and pretend it was a mistake.

[DFaraday]

Indi, 7 posts in which I support LC do not constitute a "subtle defense." They constitute a pretty darn strong defense. I've been more vocal in my lack of suspicion of LC than I have of anyone else, because in the early game I really thought he was getting bandwagoned. By the time Ekeknat indicated that he was sure of LC's baddieness, it was apparent that there was no bandwagon on LC, and I figured he was probably right.

[a2thezebra]

DFaraday if you've got a defense for anything that the person you're voting for has said about you then by all means...

[DFaraday]

DFaraday if you've got a defense for anything that the person you're voting for has said about you then by all means...

You've pretty much only said one thing about me, and that's that I was too certain too early. As I said earlier, I'm almost convinced that Daisy is civ, and I think it's a lot more likely that Indi is civ than running some scheme to win over Daisy, especially since there's not really anything connecting Indi and LC, whereas Ekeknat was very confident about both you and LC being bad, and was killed. You're the obvious choice to me.

[DFaraday]

"Almost convinced" was an awkward way to say that. What I mean is I think it's incredibly unlikely that Daisy would be bad at this point.