Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

#2901

a2thezebra wrote:I have always said and always will say that indys are not anti-town by default. I don't give a flying fuck if people suspect me for that because it's the truth.

This is. Came out of nowhere.

#2902

Also I think we discussed inmates enough and it is crystal clear that they are equally bad and anyone who disagrees is mafia and should be voted for.

#2903

So Enrique you really think that Epi designed a game where HALF of the players are anti-town. You really think that.

linki - It's hard to tell with you, sig. I could easily see you actually trying to convince people that you were pinged by that. People have suspected me just for saying that I don't think indys are inherently anti-town in other games as well so it wouldn't be the first time for such horse shit. If it was sarcasm then put it in orange font next time please.

linki - See now you ARE serious. Which is it?

#2904

sig wrote:Also I think we discussed inmates enough and it is crystal clear that they are equally bad and anyone who disagrees is mafia and should be voted for.

What about the inmates like Bane or Two Face or Catwoman that have the potential to share Civ/Wayne win conditions?

#2905

sig wrote:Also I think we discussed inmates enough and it is crystal clear that they are equally bad and anyone who disagrees is mafia and should be voted for.

You said the opposite at the start of the game...

#2906

Why is sig melting down so quick am I missing something?

linki- yes... because that's how it is. Civvies are still the biggest team, the thread is our territory. It is possible to win with some of them but in the end we benefit at each other's expense.

linki- guys i think sig is broken dont mind him

#2907

a2thezebra wrote:So Enrique you really think that Epi designed a game where HALF of the players are anti-town. You really think that.

linki - It's hard to tell with you, sig. I could easily see you actually trying to convince people that you were pinged by that. People have suspected me just for saying that I don't think indys are inherently anti-town in other games as well so it wouldn't be the first time for such horse shit. If it was sarcasm then put it in orange font next time please.

linki - See now you ARE serious. Which is it?

Well I don't now know if I'm serious or not,

@DH I'm neutral on most of the independents right know (Get it neutral on indy's?

) If we lynch some fine, I'm not really hunting them all right know, I think some are more dangerous then others. I was just jerking Zebras chain seeing how her argument against me is mechanic (might be wrong word usage) only.

linki: Sig isn't melting down he is bored, though he might be a little broken. I lost my receipt and can't return him.

#2908

DharmaHelper wrote:
sig wrote:Also I think we discussed inmates enough and it is crystal clear that they are equally bad and anyone who disagrees is mafia and should be voted for.
What about the inmates like Bane or Two Face or Catwoman that have the potential to share Civ/Wayne win conditions?

3/8 civvie cops won't. The potential is also super important. Two Face has a dangerous as shit power and he wins with Mafia half the time. Catwoman could be attached to any of the other 16 vs 14
civvies. Who knows the deal with Bane.

This is the exact same conversation I had with Golden Day 1 and in the end it doesn't matter because we just lynch whoever we think is bad, but be wary or players who insist that Arkham are our allies. Lynching one of them is a great result.

#2909

Actually "3/8" civvie cops is an incorrect figure because who knows which ones got recruited. The point stands.

#2910

Just a little devil's advocate. I've already made my stance on the Inmates clear I think.

Also, @HOSTS: WHAT HAPPENS IF CATWOMAN STEALS THE WIN CONDITION OF THE GCPD OFFICER ASSIGNED TO KILL HER

#2911

DharmaHelper wrote:
sig wrote:Also I think we discussed inmates enough and it is crystal clear that they are equally bad and anyone who disagrees is mafia and should be voted for.
What about the inmates like Bane or Two Face or Catwoman that have the potential to share Civ/Wayne win conditions?

Exactly, and even more could share victories with the civilians. People act like they know the ins and outs of the entire setup and I don't like it.

#2912

a2thezebra wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
sig wrote:Also I think we discussed inmates enough and it is crystal clear that they are equally bad and anyone who disagrees is mafia and should be voted for.
What about the inmates like Bane or Two Face or Catwoman that have the potential to share Civ/Wayne win conditions?
Exactly, and even more could share victories with the civilians. People act like they know the ins and outs of the entire setup and I don't like it.

Okay in all seriousness, I don't think most of them do and even if they do they are still a threat. Poison Ivy can poison people, Mr Freeze could become the SK, Joker need Gordon/Bruce killed. They aren't pro town. Arguing that does seem anti-town. Not focusing on them is one thing but saying they could be pro town is a stretch. And Two Face is half the time not pro town.

#2913

I disagree with you sig that all inmates are bad. But you wanting to lynch every single one of them will be impossible, and likely turn any potential civilian sympathizers against the civilians.

#2914

I'm not arguing that they are pro-town, I'm arguing that they are not all automatically anti-town just for being indys. Why is this concept always impossible for people to wrap their heads around?

#2915

Saying that they couldn't be pro-town is a stretch, not saying that at least some of them could.

#2916

FACT.

#2917

@Hosts: What happens if Two Face takes his own would-be-killer hostage?

linki: the town literally needs them dead. Did you forget that somehow? With Arkham all around practically no civvies win.

#2918

Wait I'm not saying we should lynch them all? I'm saying if they get lynched fine, but they aren't pro town.

#2919

Is ekeknat still playing?

#2920

#2921

Enrique wrote:the town literally needs them dead. Did you forget that somehow? With Arkham all around practically no civvies win.

Wrong. The town only needs some of them dead. You're talking about something else.

#2922

The point is it's no wonder you're finding so many players suspicious when over half of them aren't town aligned.

Why you felt the need to turn that into an Arkham defense, I don't know.

#2923

Did Sorsha vote without saying anything? That is a little odd.

#2924

Enrique wrote:The point is it's no wonder you're finding so many players suspicious when over half of them aren't town aligned.

Why you felt the need to turn that into an Arkham defense, I don't know.

Because you said something that factually isn't true. Sorry for correcting you.

Seriously, how is this even an argument? How are indys baddies from different factions? How is the sky yellow and chocolate?

linki - She did say explain her vote but the explanation was fishy.

#2925

DharmaHelper wrote:Just a little devil's advocate. I've already made my stance on the Inmates clear I think.

Also, @HOSTS: WHAT HAPPENS IF CATWOMAN STEALS THE WIN CONDITION OF THE GCPD OFFICER ASSIGNED TO KILL HER

That'd be fun.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
I hope there aren't positions in this game.

For what it's worth I am seeing a non-baddie LoRab so far this game.

I didn't know Dom and Mac had a thing going back games. They both seem prickly. I'm reading Mac as Civ and Dom as bad right now. I haven't decided who I'll vote for yet. Some of these votes have turned me off of voting Nero, but I would have only been voting him because of Enriques craziness which I still can't understand, I wish he could explain it in more detail.

sig wrote:Did Sorsha vote without saying anything? That is a little odd.

She explained it. Not a real good explanation.

#2926

Okay must have missed it thanks.

WAIT
The sky isn't yellow? I feel lied to.

#2927

sig wrote:Wait I'm not saying we should lynch them all? I'm saying if they get lynched fine, but they aren't pro town.

As a player who was told 20,000 times in the Game of Champions that I can't possibly be pro-town if I'm not civ when I was playing pro-town, I disagree. I don't think we should cast all inmates into the same bucket of "anti-town" if some may help the civilian cause. But I do agree that it's not a bad thing if one gets lynched instead of a civilian. We will probably need some of them dead at some point.

#2928

They're supervillains it's so not even ambiguous. Weren't you a baddie in oM Zebra? But you won with the civvies didn't you?

#2929

#supervillianlivesmatter?

No offense intended of course.

#2930

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:Wait I'm not saying we should lynch them all? I'm saying if they get lynched fine, but they aren't pro town.
As a player who was told 20,000 times in the Game of Champions that I can't possibly be pro-town if I'm not civ when I was playing pro-town, I disagree. I don't think we should cast all inmates into the same bucket of "anti-town" if some may help the civilian cause. But I do agree that it's not a bad thing if one gets lynched instead of a civilian. We will probably need some of them dead at some point.

Yes. If they want to play civvies, props, but I won't mourn them.

General question: if Matt gave us the Joker without the ambiguity of the Nero lynch, just straight up "this is the person"... would you have lynched him?

#2931

Enrique wrote:They're supervillains it's so not even ambiguous. Weren't you a baddie in oM Zebra? But you won with the civvies didn't you?

A baddie, correct. Also known as not an indy.

#2932

They're listed under "Arkham Asylum" they weren't independents until Golden declared them such on Day 0.

#2933

Enrique wrote:They're supervillains it's so not even ambiguous. Weren't you a baddie in oM Zebra? But you won with the civvies didn't you?

I mean this reasoning is so bad. What if we were playing in a game where all of the characters were villains? Would you be arguing that everyone in the game is anti-town? Why can't you accept facts?

linki - They are independents. Get over it. I mean you were saying that Catwoman is aligned with the Joker so you clearly have no idea what you're talking about with this stuff. I appreciate the effort of trying to analyze the setup but it's not very helpful when you're refusing to accept something that is factually true.

#2934

Enrique wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
sig wrote:Wait I'm not saying we should lynch them all? I'm saying if they get lynched fine, but they aren't pro town.
As a player who was told 20,000 times in the Game of Champions that I can't possibly be pro-town if I'm not civ when I was playing pro-town, I disagree. I don't think we should cast all inmates into the same bucket of "anti-town" if some may help the civilian cause. But I do agree that it's not a bad thing if one gets lynched instead of a civilian. We will probably need some of them dead at some point.
Yes. If they want to play civvies, props, but I won't mourn them.

General question: if Matt gave us the Joker without the ambiguity of the Nero lynch, just straight up "this is the person"... would you have lynched him?

I won't mourn them either, that's not the point and you know it. There is town and anti-town, and indys can be both or neither. FACT.

#2935

humor is dead.

#2936

What? I said if Catwoman targeted the Joker they essentially became a team (winning by the same conditions). It's not my problem if you're not paying attention.

The town needs them dead. I guess 8 cops and 3 Superheroes should just go fuck themselves.

#2937

sig wrote:humor is dead.

I don't know, you're not leading with votes by a landslide so I would say that humor is very much alive.

#2938

One last joke then I'm done.

Enrique wrote:What? I said if Catwoman targeted the Joker they essentially became a team (winning by the same conditions). It's not my problem if you're not paying attention.

The town needs them dead. I guess 8 cops and 3 Superheroes should just go fuck themselves.

Enrique be liking that Batman/Robin yaoi? Maybe Gordon can join in to.

linki: Well I mean you keep voting for me so some humor must still be around. :P

#2939

Zebra if Matt outed the Joker would you have voted for him?

#2940

Enrique wrote:What? I said if Catwoman targeted the Joker they essentially became a team (winning by the same conditions). It's not my problem if you're not paying attention.

The town needs them dead. I guess 8 cops and 3 Superheroes should just go fuck themselves.

I am paying attention, you're just not accepting facts. I've already told you what's objectively true and you won't accept it, so I'm not going to continue to bother.

linki - No because he wouldn't be able to prove that he actually outed the Joker. If that somehow was provable though then yes.

#2941

Why the fuck are we playing if only three civvies have win conditions that matter?

linki- Why? Why bother with roles that aren't even bad?

#2942

Enrique wrote:Why the fuck are we playing if only three civvies have win conditions that matter?

linki- Why? Why bother with roles that aren't even bad?

The win conditions are a fucking mess lol

#2943

Enrique wrote:Why the fuck are we playing if only three civvies have win conditions that matter?

linki- Why? Why bother with roles that aren't even bad?

Again, you're not listening to facts so I'm done. Please stop bothering me about this. I don't even know what you mean with the linki question.

#2944

Hi, Guys. I'm sorry about this but this morning has not turned out at all as I was expecting it would work-wise. I am now more than 10 pages behind and while I don't wish to disrespect our hosts by not voting, I consider placing an uninformed vote in some ways even worse. As per my last post, I do find TheFloyd73's behaviour concerning so I figure that's as good a place as any...

#2945

Why would you lynch the Joker if he's not a baddie? I'm serious.

#2946

Enrique wrote:Why would you lynch the Joker if he's not a baddie? I'm serious.

The Joker is a baddie. He needs certain civilians dead to win. His win condition is not compatible without civilian death.

"Anyone who targets The Joker will be made insane by the toxic flower on his lapel. He needs Batman, Gordon, Falcone, and Maroni dead. *Secrets*"

If you think all of the indys are baddies because Joker is a baddie then you're either rushing to illogical conclusions or you have a hidden agenda. I will not say this again: It is a FACT that one being an indy does not inherently mean that one is anti-town. If you can't accept facts then I can't help you.

#2947

a2thezebra wrote:
Enrique wrote:Why would you lynch the Joker if he's not a baddie? I'm serious.
The Joker is a baddie. He needs certain civilians dead to win. His win condition is not compatible without civilian death.

"Anyone who targets The Joker will be made insane by the toxic flower on his lapel. He needs Batman, Gordon, Falcone, and Maroni dead. *Secrets*"

If you think all of the indys are baddies because Joker is a baddie then you're either rushing to illogical conclusions or you have a hidden agenda. I will not say this again: It is a FACT that one being an indy does not inherently mean that one is anti-town. If you can't accept facts then I can't help you.

But the civvies don't need him dead to win! The game can just end with the Joker alive, and he still won't win as long as we got Gordon and Batman. So what do you achieve?

It is a fact that being an indy doesn't mean anti-town. It's an invention that the Arkham roles are indies. Please stop refering to your fiction as facts, it gets in the way of nearly everyone who wants to win.

#2948

So I'm voting for Matt. I'm not convinced on Nero but mainly I want a bigger gap between me and Matt, just in case shenanigans happen. Plus I think there is a bigger chance he is bad then Nero at this point. Though I'll wait until it is closer to the deadline to vote.

honestly? I wanna blackmail him tonight :P

My initial suspicion of MP went down a bit, but I still find the way he was acting to be off.
Zebra's most recent posts are very pingy as is her tunneling on me.
Besides that I'd start to look at the low posters or those who didn't post as much today, SVS comes to mind potential cop turned baddie?

I'll be watching Glorf but, won't be pursuing him for the time I don't think he is mafia.

#2949

So correct me if I'm wrong. The Joker is a baddie because he needs two civvies dead (along with two baddies), even though the civvies don't need him dead. But say, Scarecrow. Up to four civvies want him dead. So why isn't he a baddie?

linki- ugh sig you're going asap

#2950

Four civvies aka one fucking third of us for each one.

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