Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[a2thezebra]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

Cheers Golden

Don't buddy me, baddie

But yeah, I mean, I'm not jumping to conclusions. The points Enrique and zebra make are good imo, but they are not the one exclusive possible answer.

Whatever you decide about me, I respect this way of playing. Jumping to conclusions like "Nero talked about the Riddler he's the Riddler" or "Matt is posting knock knock jokes he must have targeted the Joker" or "TH is asking Why do people fall he must be trying to claim Alfred" are the kinds of things people think about once and then never think about any other way. And sometimes I feel like I'm the only player considering every angle (that's an exaggeration, a few others do it too). But it's nice to know I'm not the only sane man in the asylum

"Thank you for at least considering buying into my bullshit, Golden."

linki - I explained that right after the sentence that states it, MP.

[Turnip Head]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

Cheers Golden

Don't buddy me, baddie

But yeah, I mean, I'm not jumping to conclusions. The points Enrique and zebra make are good imo, but they are not the one exclusive possible answer.

Whatever you decide about me, I respect this way of playing. Jumping to conclusions like "Nero talked about the Riddler he's the Riddler" or "Matt is posting knock knock jokes he must have targeted the Joker" or "TH is asking Why do people fall he must be trying to claim Alfred" are the kinds of things people think about once and then never think about any other way. And sometimes I feel like I'm the only player considering every angle (that's an exaggeration, a few others do it too). But it's nice to know I'm not the only sane man in the asylum

"Thank you for at least considering buying into my bullshit, Golden."

See what I'm saying, Golden?

[Enrique]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

How is it pretty clear TH isn't Alfred? That's just not true.

If Matt isn't Batman there is no reason to assume TH is Alfred at all. That's where the whole thing came from. Repeating "why do we fall" a lot is not a reason lol.

[Marmot]

zebra and Enrique, if Turnip really is Alfred you think he's just going to admit it? Lol. You both seeing this as black or white, and it's not.

Bad.

I await your admittance of your misread upon my lynch.

A little hasty...

It's immensely amusing to me that in these large games people literally suspect me for playing every possible way. I'm playing as far off as possible from my mafia meta and still I get suspected.

I don't understand how you can make the claim that "I am playing my town meta". What is your town meta, and how have you employed that meta this game?

You were town in Arrested Developmet, and you were hollering at me for half of the game for poor performance. Yet here you are engaging in similar behaviour you accused me for in a different game.

It's not that I care that you are playing this way. I know that you are quite busy and can't post 200 times a day like you'd like. But your claim that you are playing "your town meta" doesn't look accurate. Plus this "look at me, I'm playing like a civ, guys" looks like a false presentation to me. I might be exaggerating, but this is the impression I got.

I'm sorry if you're upset about that game. I got into it intensely and really was just disappointed that you didn't contribute anything.

Maybe you're right and I just want the attention. Or maybe I know I'm going to be lynched anyway so I'm just having fun with it. Look, I can't employ supertown MP this game. It's just way too posty and I don't have TH time; in fact, I've totally blown productivity today but whatever.

I just am genuinely perplexed as to how anyone thinks I'm mafia this game.

I'm not upset about that game. I totally deserved it. :P

But I'll ask again. What is your town meta, and how are you employing it this game?

[Tangrowth]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

How is it pretty clear TH isn't Alfred? That's just not true.

If Matt isn't Batman there is no reason to assume TH is Alfred at all. That's where the whole thing came from. Repeating "why do we fall" a lot is not a reason lol.

Well, I agree, I'm just saying Turnip could be Alfred as much as anyone else. I don't see why he can't be.

[Tangrowth]

MM I did answer you earlier today, take a look at that and let me know if you still have questions. I can't bring I up because I'm on phone and about to leave actually.

[Enrique]

Matt never had a clue why anyone would know his role, which is why I was so frustrated with him. After being so backwards for so long I just figured there was no way he was Batman. And I did give him a chance out in the end. It's not that he has to say he is indeed that role but if he was Batman and TH was Alfred this move would have broken them almost irreparably.

[a2thezebra]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

How is it pretty clear TH isn't Alfred? That's just not true.

If Matt isn't Batman there is no reason to assume TH is Alfred at all. That's where the whole thing came from. Repeating "why do we fall" a lot is not a reason lol.

But you see it's more than that. Not only is there no reason to assume that TH is Alfred if Matt isn't Batman, it becomes questionable why TH would try to lead people into thinking otherwise when that isn't the case. Therefore, because the implication has been proven false regarding Matt, it makes it even less likely that TH is Alfred than if he hadn't have implied anything.

[a2thezebra]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

How is it pretty clear TH isn't Alfred? That's just not true.

Did you miss my linki response to this? You keep saying you don't understand this, but it has been explained. It's visible in the post that you're responding to here. It's underlined now.

[Enrique]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

How is it pretty clear TH isn't Alfred? That's just not true.

If Matt isn't Batman there is no reason to assume TH is Alfred at all. That's where the whole thing came from. Repeating "why do we fall" a lot is not a reason lol.

But you see it's more than that. Not only is there no reason to assume that TH is Alfred if Matt isn't Batman, it becomes questionable why TH would try to lead people into thinking otherwise when that isn't the case. Therefore, because the implication has been proven false regarding Matt, it makes it even less likely that TH is Alfred than if he hadn't have implied anything.

No, I know. I'm just trying to say his being Alfred or not hinged on Matt being Batman.

[a2thezebra]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

How is it pretty clear TH isn't Alfred? That's just not true.

If Matt isn't Batman there is no reason to assume TH is Alfred at all. That's where the whole thing came from. Repeating "why do we fall" a lot is not a reason lol.

Well, I agree, I'm just saying Turnip could be Alfred as much as anyone else. I don't see why he can't be.

[Marmot]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

Maybe you're reading too far into the things.

How so? Do you really think that TH wasn't implying anything, and that "why do we fall" really was a strictly humorous motif?

Remember Enrique's game where Scotty made a joke on Day 1 and got lynched for it? Well he survived the lynch, but was NK'd anyway, but the idea is there. Long Con and I read too far into a post from Scotty that was intended to be a joke. We lynched him for it. We were wrong.

If TH claims it is a joke, why can't he be telling the truth? Also he's not the only person using this line. I've seen you, sig, DrWilgy, and even myself use this line multiple times.

[MacDougall]

So Zebra, you've conceded being lynched then?

[Enrique]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

[Marmot]

Ok MP, I will look for it.

[Turnip Head]

No, I know. I'm just trying to say his being Alfred or not hinged on Matt being Batman.

Well that's an incredibly simplistic way to look at things. In the event I am Alfred there's no reason to assume that Matt was my Batman just because I defended him. I defended him because I thought he was civ. Thinking that it was because I know his role was YOUR mistake, not mine.

[Dom]

Mid-catch up post happening.

I would have liked to vote for Dom, as he sounds like baddie Dom to me, but I guess I'll vote for Nero. If you're right Enrique, then I will help keep him alive. I do not think he's bad.

BR, I am having a really hard time wrapping my head around this post. You will help keep who alive? Who don't you think is bad?

Matt. Sorry I went to bed before this post

It's okay.. I thought you were saying Nero and got really confused.

I agree Epig would rather save his team then throw them to the wolves. As a teammate he actively tries to give you advice to survive. He's more loyal team first kinda guy. I enjoy being on his team.

I agree with this 100%, but I'm not sure why Epig's actions are relevant in a game where he is hosting.

Additionally, MP, I don't like your claim that you're playing your town meta. That pinged me. I'm not reading either town or your baddie persona that I associate you with (at least internally-- however wrong I may be). I am seeing something in between. Maybe you're not Nero's teammate (there is some evidence to point to that), but I'm not thinking you are civ.

Dom, I'm glad that you've clarified this, because this is something I hadn't seen in any of your prior posts expressing suspicion of me. I have a few follow-up questions for you if you don't mind answering them, in order to engage you in your suspicion of me.

1) Have you felt that way (that I'm not reading town or baddie) the whole time you've been suspecting me, or only recently?
2) If I'm not reading town or baddie, then what do you propose I most likely am, an inmate? If so, why would you want me dead specifically? Can you explain this train of thought a bit more?
3) Why did my claim ping you?

1. It's evolved with your recent string of posts especially.
2. Yes. I could see you potentially as Mafia based on evidence, but tone paints a different picture.
3. Because I think that kind of self assessment is suspect.

MP, what parts of your town meta do you think you've represented?

I think I somewhat misrepresented what I was trying to say in my post regarding "town meta", given both you and MM have asked for specifics. Refer to my answer to MM for my answer, but to elaborate, it's really just that I feel like I'm very evidently not playing my mafia game that I find it odd that people are suspecting me as being mafia. I suppose that's the nature of the game though.

You're not playing any game I've seen you play before so that's kind of irrelevant, isn't it?

I second Enrique's Mr Freeze idea. Please block 2 of the following... Enrique, Turnip, DH, MP, sig, sabie, or dat Zeebs.

Don't block me.

This is sus AF

[MacDougall]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

[a2thezebra]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

Maybe you're reading too far into the things.

How so? Do you really think that TH wasn't implying anything, and that "why do we fall" really was a strictly humorous motif?

Remember Enrique's game where Scotty made a joke on Day 1 and got lynched for it? Well he survived the lynch, but was NK'd anyway, but the idea is there. Long Con and I read too far into a post from Scotty that was intended to be a joke. We lynched him for it. We were wrong.

If TH claims it is a joke, why can't he be telling the truth? Also he's not the only person using this line. I've seen you, sig, DrWilgy, and even myself use this line multiple times.

If he's not the only person using this line - and I'm aware of this - why would I be calling him out specifically for using it, both before and after Enrique's radical change of mind regarding Matt? I was calling him out for this way, way before he started claiming he was a joke after he got some heat on him.

[a2thezebra]

*it was a joke

lol

[a2thezebra]

So Zebra, you've conceded being lynched then?

Multiple times.

[Matt]

I still think Enrique and Turnip are teamies, however, for fun why can't TH be Alfred even if I'm not Batman? Perhaps he was just trying to paint me as such so the mafia/indies didn't target the real Batman.

That being said, I was just playing DA there, and still believe Enrique and Turnip to be teamies.

[Enrique]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

[a2thezebra]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

No, I called all of it and I read Matt as civ both when I called it and now. The suggestion is that Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to make people think that he was a certain civ role (Alfred) and nothing more.

[Turnip Head]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

You've got me all figured out now. Oh well it was a good run.

[Turnip Head]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

I do hope you take the time to ISO me again after you get me lynched, there's some good shit in there

[Enrique]

Matt according to you I'm in a team that has been tearing itself out from the start

Hate to WIFOM but if I was in a team with them I would probably want to lynch at least one civvie before my whole team.

[bea]

I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.

Unless I missed it, this is your first mention of newt. Why should we lynch him tomorrow?

[a2thezebra]

At least Turnip Head is consistent with his dismissive condescending pseudo-defenses.

[Enrique]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

I do hope you take the time to ISO me again after you get me lynched, there's some good shit in there

Do you mean how you hinted at knowing my role from early on?

[Matt]

Matt according to you I'm in a team that has been tearing itself out from the start

Hate to WIFOM but if I was in a team with them I would probably want to lynch at least one civvie before my whole team.

Greatest bussing job in history, I tells ya!

[MacDougall]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

I don't buy it at all. To what end is "fuck with us" a valid thing to do and how is this outcome resulting in him having played it well when he now has more suspicion on him than ever?

[Turnip Head]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

I do hope you take the time to ISO me again after you get me lynched, there's some good shit in there

Do you mean how you hinted at knowing my role from early on?

That's part of it Clearly I was wrong about you though

[Marmot]

I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.

Unless I missed it, this is your first mention of newt. Why should we lynch him tomorrow?

Because it is town-meta MP to want to lynch me at some point during a game. :P

[Turnip Head]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

I don't buy it at all. To what end is "fuck with us" a valid thing to do and how is this outcome resulting in him having played it well when he now has more suspicion on him than ever?

In Enrique's eyes, this was a baddie ploy that completely unraveled by Matt saying he's not Batman. I really backed the wrong horse on this ploy...

[a2thezebra]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

I don't buy it at all. To what end is "fuck with us" a valid thing to do and how is this outcome resulting in him having played it well when he now has more suspicion on him than ever?

It's not "fuck with us" it's "see guys I'm a confirmed civ, look at all my role hints." He has suspicion on him now because it didn't work.

[Marmot]

I'm with MP on the matter of TH. He is hardly going to say 'you got me, I'm Alfred'.

I think it unlikely he is Alfred. But for me, there are a number of possible explanations for his behaviour, not all of which must be 'he is a false-claiming baddie'. Open minds are best.

But MP's position on TH shows that he hasn't been paying attention. No one is saying that TH should out himself if he is in fact Alfred. In fact, it's pretty clear that he isn't Alfred. When someone implies that they are a certain role and simultaneously implies that another player is a certain role, yet that other player denies this upon the revealing of that implication, the aspect of why that someone implied anything at all should come into question.

Maybe you're reading too far into the things.

How so? Do you really think that TH wasn't implying anything, and that "why do we fall" really was a strictly humorous motif?

Remember Enrique's game where Scotty made a joke on Day 1 and got lynched for it? Well he survived the lynch, but was NK'd anyway, but the idea is there. Long Con and I read too far into a post from Scotty that was intended to be a joke. We lynched him for it. We were wrong.

If TH claims it is a joke, why can't he be telling the truth? Also he's not the only person using this line. I've seen you, sig, DrWilgy, and even myself use this line multiple times.

If he's not the only person using this line - and I'm aware of this - why would I be calling him out specifically for using it, both before and after Enrique's radical change of mind regarding Matt? I was calling him out for this way, way before he started claiming he was a joke after he got some heat on him.

Enrique is a radical fellow. I guess I don't understand why these events are related.

[MacDougall]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

I don't buy it at all. To what end is "fuck with us" a valid thing to do and how is this outcome resulting in him having played it well when he now has more suspicion on him than ever?

In Enrique's eyes, this was a baddie ploy that completely unraveled by Matt saying he's not Batman. I really backed the wrong horse on this ploy...

So you're an admitted baddie too? Lot of those going around.

[Enrique]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

I don't buy it at all. To what end is "fuck with us" a valid thing to do and how is this outcome resulting in him having played it well when he now has more suspicion on him than ever?

Okay. So it was to save Matt. I don't know why he was doing anything Mac but he is very clearly not Alfred. He's had a huge influence on the game already, he probably expected me or Matt to get killed before I realized there was no way we were on the same page.

[a2thezebra]

Which events?

[Marmot]

Which events?

Enrique's change of opinion on Matt and TH's jokes. I believe you stated a connection between the two.

[Turnip Head]

Okay. So it was to save Matt. I don't know why he was doing anything Mac but he is very clearly not Alfred. He's had a huge influence on the game already, he probably expected me or Matt to get killed before I realized there was no way we were on the same page.

Well, I wouldn't try to think about it too hard. Just lynch me.

[Enrique]

Which events?

Enrique's change of opinion on Matt and TH's jokes. I believe you stated a connection between the two.

My change was very closely related to his role hints.

[sig]

Wait could some please explain to me what is going on. I've reread this whole portion and am still lost?

Enrique thought TH was Alfrd and he isn't I've got that. BUT Matt is saying TH/Enrique are teammates and Enrique is saying Matt/TH are teammates or no?

[Marmot]

Y'all should just lynch me. This thread needs more martyrs.

[Enrique]

I don't know if they're teammates, but Matt considers every instance of me calling someone bad to be "distancing" or "bussing" so there's a clear connection.

[Marmot]

Also, y'all should read my posts after you lynch me. This thread needs more legacy.

[a2thezebra]

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

I don't buy it at all. To what end is "fuck with us" a valid thing to do and how is this outcome resulting in him having played it well when he now has more suspicion on him than ever?

In Enrique's eyes, this was a baddie ploy that completely unraveled by Matt saying he's not Batman. I really backed the wrong horse on this ploy...

So you're an admitted baddie too? Lot of those going around.

I am neither a baddie nor an admitted one. Conceding my lynch is not the same thing. I want to concede my lynch because my lynch is inevitable after your analysis of my behavior with Nerolunar, and it might as well happen now since MP has asked for a replacement and can't get one. However, I am pro-town. If days often negate themselves gloriously in very "ethical" absolutes, forget understanding careless killings if for inside - within all silly alignment negotiations is no man allocated to ending idiotic wastes - a sunken portrait regurgitates open tangents, owning what not favors opiate, reminded may your every nanobot tighten its rectum endlessly. Run until no albatross nannies! Don't dispute, obey! Never tell look every town and not you, one not ever convince Odin not violently, instead nihilism castrates everyone. Yonder often undermines omens, to hell! Exit recklessly without integrity...some eternity.

MM it's not about the line. He's the only reason I went back on Matt at all. Has anyone tried to ISO him? I'm not kidding it's so blatant.

and zebra called all of it

So what's the suggestion here? Than Turnip Head breadcrumbed the thread to try to save Matt because they're teammates?

They're probably not teammates if he set this up from the beginning, that'd be too easy a connection. I think he just wanted people to trust him and fuck with us basically. And it worked because, me being me, I completely took the bait and went the whole way 'round on Matt. He played it really well tbh, just look from the start how much he advocates for Wayne Manor and my kill-arkham logic and stuff like that. He knew he could use it later on.

I don't buy it at all. To what end is "fuck with us" a valid thing to do and how is this outcome resulting in him having played it well when he now has more suspicion on him than ever?

Okay. So it was to save Matt. I don't know why he was doing anything Mac but he is very clearly not Alfred. He's had a huge influence on the game already, he probably expected me or Matt to get killed before I realized there was no way we were on the same page.

I love how if you can't pin the exact motives of a baddie maneuver, that must mean that you're just imagining that there was any maneuver at all.

Which events?

Enrique's change of opinion on Matt and TH's jokes. I believe you stated a connection between the two.

I did not. I said that it was crucial that I called TH out on attempting to appear as a particular civilian role before Enrique's change of opinion because everyone keeps saying that it's irrational for Enrique to have concluded that TH isn't Alfred now that it's out in the open that Matt isn't Batman. That obviously isn't the case because I concluded that TH isn't Alfred before any of this went down, and that's my point.

[Turnip Head]

Also, y'all should read my posts after you lynch me. This thread needs more legacy.

Stop stealing my shtick

[a2thezebra]

And TH is milking the lack of a clear motive for his maneuver as a possible indication that Enrique and I have got it all wrong as best he can.