Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Enrique]

Could you explain why I am in the color I am in?

Probably paranoia, but the case on you being Master Nero Teammate is somehow compelling.

I'm glad you enjoy my humor.

sig is the only suspect I need... because he's number one!

I agree.

[DharmaHelper]

Could you explain why I am in the color I am in?

Probably paranoia, but the case on you being Master Nero Teammate is somehow compelling.

See now I know you're bullshitting because there's no way you'd ignore that I literally told the thread to lynch Nero.

I mean, so did Enrique, and I still suspect Enrique. I don't suspect you, but I don't think that 'literally telling the thread to lynch x' means 'x is not your teammate'. I mean, I literally told the thread to lynch Roxy in Economics, followed by Bass. I bussed my whole team. Sometimes this is what people do to cut their losses.

Are you for real?

I recognize you don't suspect me but Juliets and to some extent you both admitted that my advocating for lynching Nero informed your votes. In what way does it make sense for me to have bussed Nero when MP and Sig And Matt were all (as far as I remember) in the line of fire. Why didn't I say "Let's lynch MP" or "Lets lynch sig".

Cannot even fathom how anyone can with a straight face make the argument that Nero and I were teammates lmao

[Golden]

@DH - I am for real that I do not think advocating for someone's lynch precludes you from being their teammate yes. As I pointed out, I've done it to my entire team before and won as a result.

I wouldn't expect people to do it just for funsies. My team already had heat. I don't suspect you because I feel like you put heat on Nero early and (for a teammate) unnecessarily. Enrique, on the other hand, flipped out of nowhere. It makes much more sense to me that he was bussing.

I'm just saying, I don't like the argument that advocating for someone's lynch means it is unreasonable to consider that you could be bad.

[Tangrowth]

Could you explain why I am in the color I am in?

Probably paranoia, but the case on you being Master Nero Teammate is somehow compelling.

See now I know you're bullshitting because there's no way you'd ignore that I literally told the thread to lynch Nero.

I mean, so did Enrique, and I still suspect Enrique. I don't suspect you, but I don't think that 'literally telling the thread to lynch x' means 'x is not your teammate'. I mean, I literally told the thread to lynch Roxy in Economics, followed by Bass. I bussed my whole team. Sometimes this is what people do to cut their losses.

Are you for real?

I recognize you don't suspect me but Juliets and to some extent you both admitted that my advocating for lynching Nero informed your votes. In what way does it make sense for me to have bussed Nero when MP and Sig And Matt were all (as far as I remember) in the line of fire. Why didn't I say "Let's lynch MP" or "Lets lynch sig".

Cannot even fathom how anyone can with a straight face make the argument that Nero and I were teammates lmao

This is a good point.

"Let's lynch sig". Because he's my number one suspect!

[DharmaHelper]

What do you mean it's a good point MP ten seconds ago you were arguing the opposite.

[Enrique]

Do you think I should've kept pushing for Matt, Golden?

[Tangrowth]

What do you mean it's a good point MP ten seconds ago you were arguing the opposite.

Just lynch sig. He is my number one suspect, you know.

[Dom]

Wow I can already tell this day is gonna be a trip.

[Golden]

Do you think I should've kept pushing for Matt, Golden?

Look, if you are Nero's teammate, I'm not complaining about your bussing.

If you aren't Nero's teammate, I don't think Matt is necessarily in the clear either.

[DharmaHelper]

@DH - I am for real that I do not think advocating for someone's lynch precludes you from being their teammate yes. As I pointed out, I've done it to my entire team before and won as a result.

I wouldn't expect people to do it just for funsies. My team already had heat. I don't suspect you because I feel like you put heat on Nero early and (for a teammate) unnecessarily. Enrique, on the other hand, flipped out of nowhere. It makes much more sense to me that he was bussing.

I'm just saying, I don't like the argument that advocating for someone's lynch means it is unreasonable to consider that you could be bad.

Aight but peep this.

Juliets took a leap of faith based entirely on my calling out Nero. You made a similar move. This completely shifted the lynch in favor of Nero getting axed. As far as I remember, several of the later Nero votes were "Because Nero has votes, hope [you're] Right!" such as Sorsha' vote in particular.

I'm not saying Nero's lynch was my sole doing, but I am saying that if I were teammates with Nero, I had it within my power (obviously) to ensure someone else took the fall. So when I see sig and MP and Mac arguing that I was his teammate, I have to call bullshit on that because it's bullshit.

Also I doubt Enrique bussed Nero because he called the fucker out even earlier than I did.

[Tangrowth]

Hey DH, what do you think of juliets or Golden being a possible teammate then?

Also, vote for sig! He's number one!

[Dom]

MP, let's say you can't vote for sig-- who do you vote for?

[DharmaHelper]

Hey DH, what do you think of juliets or Golden being a possible teammate then?

Also, vote for sig! He's number one!

While I find JC's faith in me endearing, I'd feel better if she'd voted based on her own thoughts. I do not think either of them were Nero's teammates because even though they voted Nero virtually at my behest, their votes were pretty key in tilting that scale.

[sprityo]

@MP I did a quick check on the votes from day 2 and if you really wanted to look at people I would say from Nero's lynch everyone between SVS and Sorsha, and from Blackrock to sprityo.

And then basically the middle three votes on Matt, which I'm too lazy to check now. I split the votes up like that since between those two player lists on Nero, is when Sabie voted.

If you wanted to test out a theory or something, like the uh, "people started bussing lunar after a clear winner was decided" then I would look more critically at the second group, that is not to say you may have one baddie in the first one, but I digress

Secondly, when you said you didn't really know why Sabie voted for Matt still so late into it. I mean I guess it was more following what they already had, and (hypothetically here) hoping for people to fall onto Matt,but I guess at that time the actual I n game talk had moved past it and it just all piled on after that.

Just assumptions and thoughts to consider here. Now I've gotta get ready for the senior panorama

dont know if anyone acknowledged this earlier today, but i know i dont feel like reading through 18 pages right now

any thoughts or opinions on this?

[Enrique]

Golden I'm saying this sincerely and in the least confrontational way possible. I think the idea that I bussed Nero is complete nonsense. On Day 2 of the game, as part of a three man team, I'm leading the lynch on a different player, and I just decide to turn back, put my ass on the line and lynch my teammate instead? That would leave two of my team for Day 3. Oh, and I also came up with a plan to block my team's kill that night and potentially get myself or my teammate caught that way. I'd need to be pretty fucking confident that the two of us left wouldn't die for the rest of the game (it's still Day 3) to win. Not killed by the town, by the ninja role, by the potential serial killer, by the poisoner, by a secret role. In a 31 player game, I would be destroying my team before practically anybody else even died. All of that easily avoided if I simply lynched the maybe civvie maybe not civvie on Day 2 like I could have, given he had just received three consecutive votes by the time I changed my mind.

You're free to suspect me, but I think linking me to Nero is going a little overboard with the open-mindedness. That scenario simply didn't happen.

[Tangrowth]

MP, let's say you can't vote for sig-- who do you vote for?

Good question, Dom. I think Enrique... but I need to look into some of the lesser/mid-range posters. Not sure about most of them at all.

But I could vote for sig, and I did, since he's my number one suspect.

[sig]

He's number one!

Awww thanks MP I am pretty great aren't I

[DharmaHelper]

Sorsha's vote jumps out as suspect to me but I don't think she's on Nero's team because she hedged her bet on a clear bandwagon with the phrase "hope you're right"

[sig]

Was there no silence again day 2? I'm trying to figure this out. Do we just have a good amount of no shows or what? Bass and Equivocate didn't post at all yesterday.

Floyd had one post, Glorfindel no posts today but I recall one last night phase. Thoughts on these players?

[sig]

Scratch that about Equivoacte just did something super smart and checked last visit time. He hasn't been on since the 17th.

Glorfindel however was on tonight yet didn't post.

Bass is online right know.

Floyd was online Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:45 am, yet his last post was on the 21.

ekeknat last post was on the 20 yet he has also been on today, in fact he was just on.


I don't know what to think of the last two at all one might have been silenced yet I'm not sure why if neither where silenced why not make a post when they logged on?

Also I'm usually not a fan of time checking people but figured why not for almost no posters. and Glorfindel since I recall seeing him online yet no new posts.

[sig]

eke I see you right know what do you think?

[Enrique]

I think this was a good night!

Lol Gordon's message is great. I'm glad Harvey got Zebra, but know we don't know who she is.

No mafia night kill though?

Hosts can a blocker block the mafias nightkill?

The Riddler?

This was my thought after reading the night post as well.


Also, I still can't believe Alex wants to be replaced despite having more than 200 plus posts in the thread.

Wait

when did Glorfindel say this?

[sig]

I think this was a good night!

Lol Gordon's message is great. I'm glad Harvey got Zebra, but know we don't know who she is.

No mafia night kill though?

Hosts can a blocker block the mafias nightkill?

The Riddler?

This was my thought after reading the night post as well.


Also, I still can't believe Alex wants to be replaced despite having more than 200 plus posts in the thread.

Wait

when did Glorfindel say this?

I don't see it in his ISO unless he said it awhile ago?

[Enrique]

You're talking about last night's events in the post he quotes, the post is there but not the response..

[Enrique]

I think I remember Glorf showing up, though. Are we sure the mods didn't accidentally delete something?

[sig]

Okay, but I'm not seeing that when I look at his in topic posts? Which is what I was doing to figure out last post.


Having said that nah I don't think the Riddler had anything to do with the lack of killing that is to big of a guess, since we have no idea what he does.


linki: I'm not sure? I honestly can't recall him posting, but it is there and he was online. If he was silenced would they have deleted his post?

[sig]

@Hosts Was Glorfindel's post deleted for an in game reason?

[DFaraday]

I checked in at noon and there are 18 pages since then.

It seems Zebra died, which I'm a bit sad about, since we seemed to be on the same page. It seems odd that Bullock would use his kill so early, unless maybe he had tracked Zebra already.

[Epignosis]

@Hosts Was Glorfindel's post deleted for an in game reason?

Yes. Glorfindel is silenced. He posted before he read his PM.

[sig]

@Hosts Was Glorfindel's post deleted for an in game reason?

Yes. Glorfindel is silenced. He posted before he read his PM.

Okay thank you.

[Dom]

Oh I read it as Zebra being the Riddler.

[ekeknat]

i'm just really lost in this game. sorry. i just don't have jack shit to say about shit. if you suspect me and feel like lynching me.. i mean, it's not going to provide you any value, but i don't have much to defend myself with, i'm not super in this game right now

did zebra die? i see posts saying that but not the actual post

the whole enrique backtracking on matt business was kinda fishy in that he seems to be hinting at having some info on matt, though i might be misinterpreting things

[Matt]

Mac what do you think of Bullzeye?

Thanks for reminding me that I still think he's bad.

Have you importuned him by any means?

[ekeknat]

i'm just a real dope in this game.. i mean, if we were roleplaying batman characters right now, i would probably be any of the random cops who gets killed by any given supervillain in any given supervillain escape from prison or a mental asylum or whatever

who's sketchy? i mean i thought zebra was kinda sketch for that whole biz with Matt and now she dead... enrique seems bad but maybe he's just real into it.. if i was voting for someone right now i would be happy to vote for one of matt or enrique. even then, it may just be based on their relevance to the recent conversation

[Matt]

i'm just a real dope in this game.. i mean, if we were roleplaying batman characters right now, i would probably be any of the random cops who gets killed by any given supervillain in any given supervillain escape from prison or a mental asylum or whatever

who's sketchy? i mean i thought zebra was kinda sketch for that whole biz with Matt and now she dead... enrique seems bad but maybe he's just real into it.. if i was voting for someone right now i would be happy to vote for one of matt or enrique. even then, it may just be based on their relevance to the recent conversation

It is an honour that I dream not of.

[Marmot]

i'm just a real dope in this game.. i mean, if we were roleplaying batman characters right now, i would probably be any of the random cops who gets killed by any given supervillain in any given supervillain escape from prison or a mental asylum or whatever

who's sketchy? i mean i thought zebra was kinda sketch for that whole biz with Matt and now she dead... enrique seems bad but maybe he's just real into it.. if i was voting for someone right now i would be happy to vote for one of matt or enrique. even then, it may just be based on their relevance to the recent conversation

Can I buy you a drink?

[Turnip Head]

I want to hear Turnip Head's thoughts on MP today (and also on sig).

I don't want to lynch either of them. I think MacDougall might be Nero's teammate.

[snip]I've liked spirityo's feel too. Also nerolunar has seemed quite natty which is good. Matt looks natty.

Just want to reiterate that I barely read any of the actual content because I found much of what I was reading dramatic over exaggeration of irrelevant points.

So to reiterate here's some of these

For Turnip Head, Lorab, Bass and bea.

This is Mac's first mention of Nero. I don't know what natty means but in context it's a defense of his character in the same post where Mac says he hasn't read much content.

I still believe we should go to AA though. Im wondering if there is a mechanic that makes the Riddler place clues where he has been. He has been at Arkham, so it wouldn´t surprise me if there was one.

What is this based on?

I like the question Typhoony but I also like Nerolunar's theory here. I think the idea that Riddler would leave evidence behind of his crimes is pretty solid, but I don't think that'd be as simple as us being able to select the asylum and get one...

More of Mac finding Nero's contributions valuable.

I think the most suspicious thing to come out of this was Neru throwing shade at me and then backing down when I called him out on it.

Was weird huh.

This won't show up in a search because I was calling him "Neru" for forever and Mac was responding to my post.

For those who have not read this 90 page behemoth, Mac made a big deal over me using the word "we" to refer to civilian behavior, and Nero backed him up with a definitive statement about how it made me bad. When I called Nero out for sounding so sure about it, he backed off with a "No haha lots of time left." After Mac and I hashed it out for 100 posts or so, I made this comment about Nero and Mac gave this half-hearted agreement. I believe Nero simply got too confident in following a teammate's suspicion here, and upon realizing that he backed off.

[snip]

I agree with your feelings towards bea. I am wondering why Nerolunar isn't on your list though.

All this really shows is that Mac is cognizant of my suspicion of Nero.

So basically you are saying yes Matt was likely cursed but here is why it most likely wasn't by the Joker. Yes?

Linki. Yay!! I understood something!!

I'm not actually dismissing the possibility that he was cursed by The Joker. Maybe The Joker can do that as part of his secrets. I am dismissing the possibility that it occured via Matt having targeted him.

Matt's suspicion of Nerolunar is based on Nero talking about the Riddler. Matt is probably The Riddler and thinks Nero is the cop that needs him dead.

In which Mac calls into question Matt's motives for wanting to lynch Nero. This is a bizarre post, mostly because Mac had been defending Matt up until this point. But this not only discredit's Matt's suspicion of Nero, it discredits his motives entirely by speculating that Matt is the Riddler himself. If you look through Mac's posts, this is the only point in the game where Mac questions his civvieness, when it relates to Nero as a suspect. Mac reads Matt as civ in all situations except where it relates to Nero.

Matt eventually seems like a goner, but then Enrique comes in with his 180 on the subject, and people are looking for a new lynch target.

Lets lynch Nero.

Let's not just lynch a guy based on a player saying let's lynch them. Let's decide on who the best candidate is.

I tactically stopped attacking my suspects from Day 1 today and it revealed some interesting stuff. Under the microscope Turnip Head contributed plenty of discussion. As soon as I took the microscope away his contribution to discussion screeched to a grinding halt. Why?

This post is a direct response to DH saying we should lynch Nero. He doesn't name Nero, instead tries to pivot back to his earlier suspicion of me by mischaracterizing my play as "screeching to a grinding halt".

Mac follows up:

I think sig and nero are both reasonable candidates and wouldn't actually mind seeing either of them flip. But, I would like it to be based on something more than DharmaHelper blatantly inviting lurkers to drive by vote whoever he says to.

Enrique is the one who suggested that we move votes toward sig or Nero. DharmaHelper only said Nero. This post is a defense of Nero and only Nero.

Sig and nero... Sig, the ultimate in mislynch meta and nero who I've never played with before. Both ping me for different reasons.

Sig - Well, I am seeing an unusually thorough sig. He's held together. Usually civ sig is a little more mealy mouthed lol. His responses to being put under threat here are a little alarming.
Nerolunar - There was the thing on day 1 where he tried to jump in on the Turnip Head suspicion and when TH growled at him he backed off all like "lol jks bra" and tbh that is arguably the most surface scummy thing that has occurred. Coupled with Matt wanting him lynched...

I think I'd endorse Nero being lynched over sig.

This is the first indication that Mac thinks the thing I mentioned on Day 1 was "the most surface scummy thing that has occurred". But Mac never votes for Nero on the basis of that and never interrogates Nero the way he had me for the "we" thing.

Nero is a good lynch today imo. Y'all should just go watch some TV or something and wait for the outcome.

Nero had 7 votes at this point and there was about an hour and a half left. Weird post.

Reveal that not civvie plz.

Reveal dat Catwoman or someshit

This bravado rings false. The Catwoman thing seems like an allusion to the fact that Matt thought Nero was the Riddler, and Enrique thought Nero was the Joker. To me it feels like Mac knew Nero would flip mafia against the evidence, and while he wanted to sound confident he also wanted to poke fun at the conspiracy theories.



On the Nero side of things...

Honestly Matt I think you fear for your own life. Trying to raise a mob against me and what not.

Strong Civ reads: Juliets, Mac and Golden. They seem very genuine and has brought on some good points. I find myself to mostly agree with these people. I should include Scotty here too since I too believe that Wilgy was Robin.

Slight Civ reads: Sorsha. This guy seems very reasonable but doesn´t post that much which strikes me as odd. Dom and MP also strike me as civvy.

My scum reads are Dharmahelper, Matt and Metalmarsh. Especially Metal as he has not explained his weird behavior of voting Zebra at the beginning of day 1. I have ased him that question a few times now and keeps ignoring it. If he doesn´t answer I might go ahead and vote him. Dharma because he only usually pops in to comment on something then leaves. Matt because he is being somewhat desperate to get rid of me and his weird conspiracy that is simply not true.

Linki These knock knock jokes are getting so annoying.

Nero didn't make very many posts that were about his thoughts on other players, but I specifically asked him for this one. Of these players, Mac is the only one that Nero had any sort of contact with, and Nero labelled him among his civ reads. This is something I think Mac would tell him it would be okay to do. The whole thread has read Mac as town, why shouldn't Nero?

I've had cause to come on and check this game thread a number of times today and I honestly can't recall an occasion where I have and Magnus (Nerolunar) hasn't been on as well and yet (once again) you post so infrequently my friend. I know this is all pretty heavy going and as you're new you are maybe feeling a little overwhelmed (as am I) but isn't there something you'd like to contribute or some observation you'd care to make

I am overwhelmed. I keep a tab open in my broswer and refreshes it occasionally. I hate having to read more than a few pages in one go, so I take it as it comes, especially that it´s Sunday and I don´t have anything else to do.

I believe both Mac and Bullz are town. They both seem genuine to me.

Nero once again calls Mac a town read. Both of these posts took place before Enrique did his 180 on Matt, so at the time Matt seemed like the sure thing and there was no reason for Nero to feel like he was in danger and no reason to heavily distance from teammates.





Let me know what you think y'all. I know it's difficult to look at Mac's posts from this context but if you search his posts for "Nerolunar" and "Nero" and read the bits of the thread surrounding his mentions of Nero, I think there's good evidence for them being on a team together.

[Golden]

Golden I'm saying this sincerely and in the least confrontational way possible. I think the idea that I bussed Nero is complete nonsense. On Day 2 of the game, as part of a three man team, I'm leading the lynch on a different player, and I just decide to turn back, put my ass on the line and lynch my teammate instead? That would leave two of my team for Day 3. Oh, and I also came up with a plan to block my team's kill that night and potentially get myself or my teammate caught that way. I'd need to be pretty fucking confident that the two of us left wouldn't die for the rest of the game (it's still Day 3) to win. Not killed by the town, by the ninja role, by the potential serial killer, by the poisoner, by a secret role. In a 31 player game, I would be destroying my team before practically anybody else even died. All of that easily avoided if I simply lynched the maybe civvie maybe not civvie on Day 2 like I could have, given he had just received three consecutive votes by the time I changed my mind.

You're free to suspect me, but I think linking me to Nero is going a little overboard with the open-mindedness. That scenario simply didn't happen.

Good answer, tbh. You have made me think twice, and this response sounds genuine.

I'll try to iso you, at least, and see if I agree with your assessment, and DH's assessment, of what you came up with and when. This day period will likely be one of my very worst for participation. I have the week from hell.

[Turnip Head]

BONUS POINT:

On Day 1 Mac made a big hooplah about me going "out of my way" to use the word "we" when referring to civilians. He kept attacking me throughout Night 1, and while I responded with as much patience and tact as I could, the dialogue eventually reached this point:

I don't find your play shitty at all. I find it suspicious. I think that you have just been caught embellishing your opinion which makes me feel like you are mafia. I don't think it's a reflection on the quality of your play.

I am just trying to discover whether you are Mafia. I don't want to upset you. I'm trying to be tactful tbh.

I would clarify that Mac was not upsetting me in my very next post, but not before Mac snuck this in:

It's funny, I never upset people when I case them when I am mafia. When I am town I drive people nuts. If you want some insight into my meta here it is hahaha.

Without even waiting to see if I had been upset by his behavior, he characterizes his play in this way. He went out of his way to say he was playing to his "town meta" without waiting to see from me if what he was saying was even true.

Go back and look at the discussion, it starts before this post and continues shortly thereafter. Mac got excited to make a point about his meta and couldn't wait to say it.

[DharmaHelper]

Pretty solid post there TH

[Tangrowth]

Pretty solid post there TH

Agreed.

Sig is still my number one suspect.

[Matt]

Let me know what you think y'all. I know it's difficult to look at Mac's posts from this context but if you search his posts for "Nerolunar" and "Nero" and read the bits of the thread surrounding his mentions of Nero, I think there's good evidence for them being on a team together.

You are too hot

[Golden]

Pretty solid post there TH

Agreed.

Sig is still my number one suspect.

You should just sig that, honestly.

[Matt]

Pretty solid post there TH

Agreed.

Sig is still my number one suspect.

You should just sig that, honestly.

What must be shall be

[Enrique]

TH do you want to be my friend? (again)

[Epignosis]

How are you enjoying the audio files? They are very important. I hope you are paying attention.

[Golden]

Matt, if you are able to, could you please just post in a normal post without looking like a slight maniac.

Ekeknat, hang in there.

[Golden]

How are you enjoying the audio files? They are very important. I hope you are paying attention.

I'm impressed with the female voice artistry.

[Matt]

How are you enjoying the audio files? They are very important. I hope you are paying attention.

No, not till Thursday, there is time enough.

[DharmaHelper]

How are you enjoying the audio files? They are very important. I hope you are paying attention.

I mean its like listening to a comic book.