Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Dom]

Dom- what do you think of TH's case on BR?

I'm lukewarm about it if only that I'd like her to explain her thoughts more before making a judgment on it. Ya feel?

Yes. I'd like her to explain also.

Where else are you looking?

[MacDougall]

So I'll vote for sig then?

MP is cursed or something why else say it every post this phase when he didn't suspect me before (last night) and disputed his previous vote of me in other posts.

So why would you vote for me?

Shhh

[Enrique]

So I'll vote for sig then?

MP is cursed or something why else say it every post this phase when he didn't suspect me before (last night) and disputed his previous vote of me in other posts.

So why would you vote for me?

Not saying he's not cursed, but I'm not exactly seeing that in his ISO.

[MacDougall]

Maybe MP is being blackmailed to do this to sig by Pingu.

[sprityo]

thats what im thinking Mac

[sprityo]

perhaps someone who is suspecting of sig (that isnt MP of course)

but that could be almost anyone, right?

[sprityo]

or maybe, he's being pseudo blackmailed into lynching sig for the antidote?

[Turnip Head]

perhaps someone who is suspecting of sig (that isnt MP of course)

but that could be almost anyone, right?

If this is the Penguin's doing then it's one of these three amigos

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DharmaHelper (13), Dom (15), Typhoony (22) 9%

[DharmaHelper]

Strong money is on Typhoony.

[sprityo]

good point!

which, hypothetically, if this is a penguin doing, then we could assume MP isnt a plain ole cop. or if he is, then idk.

im still speculating on if he actually is poisoned or if that was just weirdness.

maybe he is just both poisoned and blackmailed, man that would suck

[Turnip Head]

yo sprit who do yo want to lynch

[DharmaHelper]

I voted for SVS Day 1, Dom voted for Scotty. IIRC, neither of them seem to have exhibited Penguinifications.

Typhoony voted for Wilgy, who died before any such blackmailery could take place.

[sig]

I've narrowed it down to most likely one of them based on day 1 lynch option.

@Enrique false I addressed it within one of my first posts at the beginning of this phase.

linki: yeah that is my thoughts about Typhoony as well.

[sig]

He also has a few posts Night 1 about Wilgy, here is one of them.

Why the fuck do people still think Wilgy was Robin when he was not around to send in the lynch stop? Please explain, thanks.

Also, I don't have a lot of time until Night 2 to follow the game so don't expect a lot from me

In hindsight this hints to me that he knows Wilgy's role. So here is the question if this is true is he worth lynching? I'm inclined to say yes for a few reasons.
1. The Survivor can swing either way and in lylo they are more likely to swing mafia imo.
2. He is trying to get me lynched
3. He is an Inmate and he isn't pro civ ,

[sabie12]

No I wasn't blocked. I've just been reading and trying to catch up here and there. This game is hard to follow. I'm doing my best.

[MacDougall]

He also has a few posts Night 1 about Wilgy, here is one of them.

Why the fuck do people still think Wilgy was Robin when he was not around to send in the lynch stop? Please explain, thanks.

Also, I don't have a lot of time until Night 2 to follow the game so don't expect a lot from me

In hindsight this hints to me that he knows Wilgy's role. So here is the question if this is true is he worth lynching? I'm inclined to say yes for a few reasons.
1. The Survivor can swing either way and in lylo they are more likely to swing mafia imo.
2. He is trying to get me lynched
3. He is an Inmate and he isn't pro civ ,

The Penguin is the sort of role that the longer he survives the more powerful and annoying he becomes. I'd be happy to take a shot at Typhoony.

[MacDougall]

MP said he got the message at the start of night 2, which is indicative of it being the result of day behaviour. Penguin action seems very likely.

[Turnip Head]

He also has a few posts Night 1 about Wilgy, here is one of them.

Why the fuck do people still think Wilgy was Robin when he was not around to send in the lynch stop? Please explain, thanks.

Also, I don't have a lot of time until Night 2 to follow the game so don't expect a lot from me

In hindsight this hints to me that he knows Wilgy's role. So here is the question if this is true is he worth lynching? I'm inclined to say yes for a few reasons.
1. The Survivor can swing either way and in lylo they are more likely to swing mafia imo.
2. He is trying to get me lynched
3. He is an Inmate and he isn't pro civ ,

Dis you look to see if Typh had suspected you himself? Not saying that would necessarily make him pro town or not, just curious.

[MacDougall]

The Hosts pretty much implied that it's unlikely I'll be replaced at this point and that I should stick it out. So what am I to do, now, that I've made actions that are seemingly suspicious, don't have adequate time to keep playing even at the level I played this past weekend, and people are being closed-minded?

Probably take a break from the game for now, because I can see you are clearly frustrated.
Focus on real-life for a bit, try not to worry about the amount of posting that is being done, and drop in whenever you have free time to comment on something you deem worthy.

Lol if he's the Penguin and made this post.

[Turnip Head]

Penguin can just as easily blackmail the mafia and if he votes for one of them then he becomes their problem.

[MacDougall]

Penguin can just as easily blackmail the mafia and if he votes for one of them then he becomes their problem.

I suppose we do have an unusually large number of independents/mafia in this game so the odds of him not hitting civilians are higher than normal.

[MacDougall]

Is Typhoony really going to blackmail MP into doing something that obvious in the thread though?

Surely he'd blackmail him into something less ... blatant.

"You have to say sig is your number 1 suspect in every post for the rest of the game or I will send your role to someone else..."

The second question being ... Why would MP agree to that if his role was not malevolent?

[Enrique]

... sig you're completely reinterpreting MP's night 2 positions. i'mma get this straigjt just gimme a sec

[Turnip Head]

Is Typhoony really going to blackmail MP into doing something that obvious in the thread though?

Surely he'd blackmail him into something less ... blatant.

"You have to say sig is your number 1 suspect in every post for the rest of the game or I will send your role to someone else..."

The second question being ... Why would MP agree to that if his role was not malevolent?

Well it's not really forcing MP to do anything awful. And we don't know if it's all game or just this phase. I don't have a problem with MP agreeing to it as a civ. Your first question is relevant though.

[sig]

Is Typhoony really going to blackmail MP into doing something that obvious in the thread though?

Surely he'd blackmail him into something less ... blatant.

"You have to say sig is your number 1 suspect in every post for the rest of the game or I will send your role to someone else..."

The second question being ... Why would MP agree to that if his role was not malevolent?

Any role being revealed to a rival is bad, say he is a cop 7 that information would go to whoever cop 7 needs to hunt or vice verse. That is my understanding of the role. It could just be he has to lynch me/push for my lynch and MP is doing that since it is within the guidelines yet so obvious he doesn't mean it.

He could hit a mafia, but there is a larger chance of his role hurting town, plus he could blackmail the mafia into say not targeting him and then use it to win with them. Either way I agree with Mac here and would lynch the Penguin.

[MacDougall]

Is Typhoony really going to blackmail MP into doing something that obvious in the thread though?

Surely he'd blackmail him into something less ... blatant.

"You have to say sig is your number 1 suspect in every post for the rest of the game or I will send your role to someone else..."

The second question being ... Why would MP agree to that if his role was not malevolent?

Well it's not really forcing MP to do anything awful. And we don't know if it's all game or just this phase. I don't have a problem with MP agreeing to it as a civ. Your first question is relevant though.

What possible benefit would MP have of agreeing to absolutely anything if he is a regular cop though? It would be at best annoying to have to do this.

If I was a cop and the penguin was like "do this dumb thing or I'll tell someone you're a cop" ... I'd be like knock yourself out mate.

I'd probably take the odds to it if I was anything except Mafia.

[Turnip Head]

He could hit a mafia, but there is a larger chance of his role hurting town, plus he could blackmail the mafia into say not targeting him and then use it to win with them. Either way I agree with Mac here and would lynch the Penguin.

I hadn't thought of that. Good point.

[MacDougall]

Is Typhoony really going to blackmail MP into doing something that obvious in the thread though?

Surely he'd blackmail him into something less ... blatant.

"You have to say sig is your number 1 suspect in every post for the rest of the game or I will send your role to someone else..."

The second question being ... Why would MP agree to that if his role was not malevolent?

Any role being revealed to a rival is bad, say he is a cop 7 that information would go to whoever cop 7 needs to hunt or vice verse. That is my understanding of the role. It could just be he has to lynch me/push for my lynch and MP is doing that since it is within the guidelines yet so obvious he doesn't mean it.

He could hit a mafia, but there is a larger chance of his role hurting town, plus he could blackmail the mafia into say not targeting him and then use it to win with them. Either way I agree with Mac here and would lynch the Penguin.

Hmmm I suppose that makes sense. Rival person does indicate that.

[MacDougall]

So he was told that not only does he have to vote for you, but that he also has to mention that you are his number 1 suspect in every single post?

That seems like two actions.

[sig]

So he was told that not only does he have to vote for you, but that he also has to mention that you are his number 1 suspect in every single post?

That seems like two actions.

True, though maybe it is something along the lines of try to get sig lynched, so he is "trying" yet not really?

[Golden]

So he was told that not only does he have to vote for you, but that he also has to mention that you are his number 1 suspect in every single post?

That seems like two actions.

True, though maybe it is something along the lines of try to get sig lynched, so he is "trying" yet not really?

That's how I read it.

[Turnip Head]

"Blackmail someone" doesn't imply that it has to be a single action. I had a mind control power once and forced Marsh to replace everyone's name with "timmer" and vote for timmer.

[MacDougall]

So he was told that not only does he have to vote for you, but that he also has to mention that you are his number 1 suspect in every single post?

That seems like two actions.

True, though maybe it is something along the lines of try to get sig lynched, so he is "trying" yet not really?

That's how I read it.

Lol if I was Penguin and this was MPs attempt at getting sig lynched I'd want my money back.

[MacDougall]

"Blackmail someone" doesn't imply that it has to be a single action. I had a mind control power once and forced Marsh to replace everyone's name with "timmer" and vote for timmer.

I'm just playing Devil's Advocate. It does look likely to be the case, hell I think I was the one who brought it up.

[Enrique]

Just popping in to vote and all that good stuff I'll be going to Arkham Asylum.

I like Macs case on Zebra and I'd also like to point out how much more Zebra tried to stop people from lynching nero over me, and pushed my lynch over Nero. I didn't think much of this when I thought Nero would flip third party, however seeing that he flipped mafia I think this looks bad for Zebra.

People where asking about two new players on a team, keep in mind if one of the new players got recruited as a cop that could happen. So if there is a second newbie on the team I'd say they are a flipped cop. This wouldn't be the case right know since tonight the other cop will get recruited, which is something to be on the lookout for.

linki: Don't worry MP since you aren't planning to lynch me I don't think your mafia

Though on a serious note right know I'd rather lynch Zebra then MP I see a bigger connection there and I trust Golden who still thinks MP is townie so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Who said I wasn't planning to lynch you? Lol.

Anyway, I really ought to go, so idk when I'll be back, maybe tomorrow evening if not sooner. I'll try to contribute whatever I can, but I just feel so out of my element I feel like I really have practically nothing of value to contribute.

At least I finally understand now how other people feel when I've spammed the thread game after game with useless content.

I've been pro-town as well but me not wanting to go after a newcomer (which Mac understandably thinks is unusual for me, though it isn't) does look purdy bad after their flip.

We can be pro-town buddies with terrible-looking d2 votes together then.

I think our votes look fine actually, and I'm still going to be voting for sig tomorrow if no one better comes up. Mac's teammate connection of me and Nero had little to do with my vote and more to do with how waffly we were with each other.

That's a good point.

In fact, if sig was Nero's teammate, that would make a lot of his comments yesterday sensible.

I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.

What about sig?

He'll somehow get away until d6, then he'll die.

All of these Night 2, the last one just before the Day began. This is what you said.

First post addressing the Wilgy thing, and no longer thinking this makes me mafia.

sig, I also wanted to say I apologize if I got too heated when I voted for you yesterday; I was getting increasingly frustrated and knew I'd probably have little time before EoD, and I was very pinged by you in the moment, so I voted for you. I don't regret my vote, but I didn't really have any solid baddie read on anyone else.

Second this one is slightly different here he says he thinks Nero is mafia and not me as an attempt to save nero wouldn't result in lynching me.

Based on the momentum of the thread, I don't think someone who wanted to save Nero was going to vote for sig. I think Matt was a much more likely scapegoat, at least until you changed your mind, Enrique. That might have got Nero's teammates panicking, so I'd say they'd be more likely to bus after you did a 180 and kept harping on it.

It's hard to speculate though; it depends on the person. Looking at interactions between Nero and every player would be more illuminating, I think.

Important part is underlined said he didn't have an open mind about my lynch and just got caught up in the moment. So he basically admitted to being wrong and not having an open mind yet this is his reason for lynching me again. HE HAS ANTI TOWN SENTIMENT IF HE IS REALLY TRYING TO LYNCH ME THIS WILL HURT THE TOWN.


It is so important I'll bold underline and caps it. :P

Yippee! We caught a mafia. Good work Matt. Nero, you are a delightful individual and I hope you will play with us some more. Don't let this discourage you.

Thanks to the hosts for cutting some hours out of the night to get us back to a more reasonable hour for the posts!

linki MP, how are people being closed minded?

People are inevitably being closed-minded this game for multiple reasons: (1) due to the setup, in which roughly half of the players have potentially no reason to conventionally baddie hunt; (2) due to the ridiculously high volume of posting, with the actual content of which mostly comprising strenuous back and forths; and (3) players who do not have adequate time to do anything more than intently read and analyze the thread will inevitably make uninformed decisions, and in a game of this magnitude, thus will never be able to properly consider even half of the living players with proper weight of suspicion.


Regarding (3), one that does not have sufficient time cannot properly examine 29 other players, especially in this game due to (2). That means that certain players will be subjected to the microscope more than other players; it's often an inevitable side effect of games this large, as opposed to Heists where it's very difficult to stay out of the spotlight if the town is actively playing the game. Conversely, it also means that town cannot properly evaluate everyone without pouring ridiculous amounts of effort into trying to spend equal time analyzing every player and it just cannot happen for most people playing this game. Therefore, take Dom for example, he can't stop mentioning my name. Ever since I made one post way back on Day 0 (was it? or was it technically Day 1 by that point?) with my first gut read of the game: him. I added a joke after it saying I can't read him so that it means everyone should lynch him instead. It was a joke. Since then, he pressed me and asked the thread multiple times to talk about how I was "setting him up" or "hedging". He won't even listen to my explanations because he's already made up his mind that I was hedging, even though it's absurd that anyone would later use "I'm never wrong about so and so" clearly stated in joke format as a reason to legitimately change one's mind about that player. Dom is far from the only player who is unwilling to actually listen to the player they are suspecting. Hell, even I did it with sig; I got too caught up in the moment and wasn't giving him the chance. Townies should always stay skeptical, yes, but they need to try to actually connect with and understand where the person they're suspecting is coming from, and should always be open to changing their mind. I consistently get the impression that the majority of players in this game aren't willing to do that. That's fine. It's not easy to do, especially when the game's setup has so many potentially anti-town roles in it.

But that's why I feel this way.

What is this post?

You quote him saying he was too aggressive, but that he doesn't regret voting for you. For some reason you describe it as "saying the Wilgy thing no longer makes you mafia."
You quote him as saying Nero is Mafia (which he was), and you turn it into "he thinks Nero is Mafia and not me."
You quote him saying he tunnelled you more or less, but to you "he basically admitted to being wrong."

I don't think anyone reading the posts that you quoted would come to the conclusions you did. You're twisting his every word to your favor to make him look more irrational than he already is being (like that was necessary).

So I'll vote for sig then?

MP is cursed or something why else say it every post this phase when he didn't suspect me before (last night) and disputed his previous vote of me in other posts.

So why would you vote for me?

This is a lie.

[Matt]

So he was told that not only does he have to vote for you, but that he also has to mention that you are his number 1 suspect in every single post?

That seems like two actions.

True, though maybe it is something along the lines of try to get sig lynched, so he is "trying" yet not really?

Most like: it harrows me with fear and wonder.

[sig]

I'm not twisting his every word, that is what I took from it. The first three posts you quoted I took the first and third to be joking, and he never answered me on the second. That post was also not a lie. He said he was close minded at the time and rushed into it to quickly I took that to mean he thought he was wrong since he did rush into it to quickly and wouldn't have voted on me then.

That isn't a lie he didn't suspect me last night imo. More so didn't you say you thought his reasoning for voting me was bad anyway?

To address your last point I'm not trying to make him look more irrational or irrational at all I was proving that he had changed his mind over the course of the day/night and that this latest thing was forced.

[Matt]

I'm not twisting his every word, that is what I took from it. The first three posts you quoted I took the first and third to be joking, and he never answered me on the second. That post was also not a lie. He said he was close minded at the time and rushed into it to quickly I took that to mean he thought he was wrong since he did rush into it to quickly and wouldn't have voted on me then.

That isn't a lie he didn't suspect me last night imo. More so didn't you say you thought his reasoning for voting me was bad anyway?

To address your last point I'm not trying to make him look more irrational or irrational at all I was proving that he had changed his mind over the course of the day/night and that this latest thing was forced.

I do not know, my lord, what I should think.

[Enrique]

I'm not twisting his every word, that is what I took from it. The first three posts you quoted I took the first and third to be joking, and he never answered me on the second. That post was also not a lie. He said he was close minded at the time and rushed into it to quickly I took that to mean he thought he was wrong since he did rush into it to quickly and wouldn't have voted on me then.

The second post doesn't matter because he didn't answer you on it?

I don't see anything to indicate he thought he was "wrong," especially when in that very same post he says he doesn't regret it!

That isn't a lie he didn't suspect me last night imo. More so didn't you say you thought his reasoning for voting me was bad anyway?

Yes, and that's completely besides the point. I'm not trying to validate his points, I'm saying there was no 180 at all here.

To address your last point I'm not trying to make him look more irrational or irrational at all I was proving that he had changed his mind over the course of the day/night and that this latest thing was forced.

You don't need to tell us it's forced. But you also shouldn't try to convince us he saw you positively before that or that he ever changed his mind.

[Matt]

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

[MacDougall]

Sig is coming across pretty sincere to me.

[juliets]

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

So you've been cursed to quote Hamlet? I know, I know you can't answer.

[Enrique]

man our brains work very differently i do not get that impression at all

[Matt]

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

So you've been cursed to quote Hamlet? I know, I know you can't answer.

Thou'rt kind.

[Matt]

man our brains work very differently i do not get that impression at all

Speak, if you can: what are you?

[Enrique]

excuse me

[Matt]

At your kind'st leisure.

[MacDougall]

man our brains work very differently i do not get that impression at all

Lol.

[Scotty]

Ping pong is one hell of a drug.

@HOSTS
Does Salvatore Maroni need to actively perform his action in the night, or could Nero have performed it for him if he was not around to do so?

AND, more importantly,

When you say the bought cop inherits the first kill, does that mean he can choose the target to kill if Tony Zucco is dead?

If the answer is no, then even nights are great for civs, right?


I'm believing this Typh = Penguin theory.
No one has framed me, so that rules out Dom, and I see nothing weird about SVS' posting on her Day 2 besides her getting over a cold, so that doesn't lead me to believe TH is Penguin either. (I know this has been discussed ad infinitum already)

[Marmot]

"Blackmail someone" doesn't imply that it has to be a single action. I had a mind control power once and forced Marsh to replace everyone's name with "timmer" and vote for timmer.

timmer remembers that one.