Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Golden]

i'll take it as you actually didnt make it obvious as opposed to flopping around telling everyone that you totally did, just in hopes they wouldnt actually look or become too frustrated to look so that you get through the day, then on top of that having some sucker actually try and fail letting it fade away

I didn't make it obvious at the time, but I did intentionally make the post a crumb. But in the context of me making a big deal out of there being a crumb I thought it would be quite easy to find but then as you pointed out I happened to make all those I'm Batman posts which kind of makes it less obvious.

I think Golden will figure it out. He's a clever boy. He probably already has.

Well, I haven't isoed you yet. I'll probably try when I get time.

Only do it if you think I am mafia dude. If you are civ reading me your time is better spent elsewhere. Finding it has already been proven rather difficult. I know that's going to come across pingy to some but when I was first pointing at my role I thought it would be easier than it turned out to be to find and if you are already civ reading me you have no reason to look for it. You seem time poor here and I'd rather you spend your time finding mafia.

Yeah, I don't think I'll do it again unless I feel I have need to. My first look was pretty brief.

[MacDougall]

I'm still feeling that El Presidente is mafia and the final member of that team. He and Zebra were two of the only players who didn't vote for Nero, and both voted early so the fact they didn't bus him could simply be because they were trying to dictate the lynch. This kind of gambit is totally up MPs alley as well. The amount of bullshit he spins as mafia is incredible.

He wants to be lynched, claims it'll be pretty good for the town and there is still doubt there that he might be mafia anyway. Either he's telling the truth and his lynch is good or he's lying and his lynch is great. Win fucking win. Can we agree to lynch him then move on with analysis?

Linki: TH were Bullzeye and myself speculating about Riddler's role even close to accurate?

[Golden]

I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.

I like your case, Scotty.

[Turnip Head]

It's pusseeble-a Mec. I feel leeke-a I'fe-a oonly seee Phese-a 1

[MacDougall]

I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.

I like your case, Scotty.

I don't really get it. Maybe my comprehension skills are lacking. Not saying it's bad, but I legit didn't understand what he was getting at?

I'm seeing a lot of people just replying to wallpost cases in this game with things like "I like it"... or "this makes a lot of sense"... It's annoying me.

Though I have to say, this has been a very high quality game so far. Very impressive levels of analysis going on here. Lurkers notwithstanding.

[MacDougall]

It's pusseeble-a Mec. I feel leeke-a I'fe-a oonly seee Phese-a 1

So you got asked a riddle at night and successfully answered it! Ahhhhhhh!

[Golden]

So as it turns out Golden is actually Batman.

Well there is no way I'd ever be finding a genuine breadcrumb from that, and Mac knows it so wouldn't have encouraged me to... that can't be it.

[MacDougall]

So as it turns out Golden is actually Batman.

Well there is no way I'd ever be finding a genuine breadcrumb from that, and Mac knows it so wouldn't have encouraged me to... that can't be it.

Absolutely.

[Golden]

Matt - explain this.

You think it was zebra, but you got Shakespeare the next day. So you think someone can be cursed after the death of the riddler.

Isn't is possible it was sig, and the same has happened to TH? Couldn't you both be right, in your own way?

Golden, Zebra was NK'd and typically (as far as I can recall), night actions of NK'd players the same night still go through.

But that's besides the point, as I believe Zebra only targeted me once, on Night 1.

I think it's probable that it was sig, and TH is not cured because he was only targetted last night and has to live with a day of it.

Either that, or you're wrong.

[Turnip Head]

I dun't knoo yet iff I gut it reeght oor nut

[MacDougall]

I dun't knoo yet iff I gut it reeght oor nut

When did you get asked?

[Golden]

My most likely votes coming out of catching up are glorfindel, DFaraday, SVS in that order.

I'm not opposed to an MP lynch, though. When I tell people to lynch me it is usually for good reason. But that doesn't necessarily mean the good reason is entirely town-aligned (eg, in Star Wars, I wanted to out ninja and russti as my indy teamies so that we could win).

[Golden]

And that took nearly three hours, so I'm done for a while.

[Turnip Head]

I dun't knoo yet iff I gut it reeght oor nut

When did you get asked?

Zee begeenning ooff zee dey. Bork bork bork!

[MacDougall]

I dun't knoo yet iff I gut it reeght oor nut

When did you get asked?

Zee begeenning ooff zee dey. Bork bork bork!

Were you given a timeframe in which to supply an answer?

[juliets]

I'm still feeling that El Presidente is mafia and the final member of that team. He and Zebra were two of the only players who didn't vote for Nero, and both voted early so the fact they didn't bus him could simply be because they were trying to dictate the lynch. This kind of gambit is totally up MPs alley as well. The amount of bullshit he spins as mafia is incredible.

He wants to be lynched, claims it'll be pretty good for the town and there is still doubt there that he might be mafia anyway. Either he's telling the truth and his lynch is good or he's lying and his lynch is great. Win fucking win. Can we agree to lynch him then move on with analysis?

Linki: TH were Bullzeye and myself speculating about Riddler's role even close to accurate?

He is my top pick for a lynch for exactly this reason. I won't vote so early in the day though because who knows what might happen tomorrow.

[Turnip Head]

I dun't knoo yet iff I gut it reeght oor nut

When did you get asked?

Zee begeenning ooff zee dey. Bork bork bork!

Were you given a timeframe in which to supply an answer?

Nu.

[MacDougall]

It could explain the coincidence of why all the lurkers last posts fell during the day phases and not night phases. But targeting you is a big change up of targets from lurkers.

Can you post the riddle or is it against the rules?

[Turnip Head]

It dues nut speceeffy boot I theenk I'fe-a telked ebuoot it inuoogh elreedy. Bork bork bork!

[Dom]

Mac, you never answered me, so I'll take that as "No Matt, you would be too much of a pussy to fake curse if you were bad".

Matt, you never answered Zebra.

Scotty and Dom, what's your stance on one another?

I lean bad on Scotty, but think we have better leads atm.

Dom are you still cool with an MP lynch?

I'll read that case now Scotty... Faraday is the sort of blendy dude that does need to be frisked.

YEah, I am.


And I liked Scotty's post about DFaraday. I look forward to his response.

I do apologize for being low on the baddie hunting and case building this game. I just haven't felt like it, and haven't had proper time to digest anything enough to do so.

So I appreciate the efforts made by others to do so. Nice case there, Scotty.

Anyone else think MP is being way overzealous with smilies?

Day 4 MP rainbow list:

Scotty

Turnip Head
Golden

Sorsha

S~V~S
bea
Dom
Lorab
Bullzeye
sprityo

juliets
Glorfindel
Metalmarsh89

DharmaHelper
Bass_the_Clever
DFaraday
Equivocate
Bubbles
TheFloyd73

Matt
ekeknat
Typhoony

sabie12
MacDougall
Enrique

You
1) have time to throw this together but not supply a single reason for your scum reads
and
2) have a rainbow list, but "don't really care" and "want to be lynched"

Mac, I am not lynching anyone based on bullshit "clues" you won't reveal. I think the chance of him being any specific role is the same as anyone elses.

I have not seen Bwa ha ha MP yet, I don't think he is bad.

And it looks like TH is Swedish Cheffed, maybe? I got Swedish Cheffed in Muppets, and that looks like this.

@Matt, doh, lol. I forgot Typh had said that.

@Golden, what stuff,exactly?

Fortunately we don't need your vote because there's more than enough people who'd happily lynch him. So feel free to throw your vote away.

The irony.

You self voted.

Like I said, I have my reasons.

It's also apparent to me that many people would never stop suspecting me, and I thought my death was inevitable due to poison, so I've come to terms with my lynching quite a while ago.

Thought you said you were cured?

I dunno guys, I don't think DFaraday is looking good from my standpoint.

I like your case, Scotty.

I don't really get it. Maybe my comprehension skills are lacking. Not saying it's bad, but I legit didn't understand what he was getting at?

I'm seeing a lot of people just replying to wallpost cases in this game with things like "I like it"... or "this makes a lot of sense"... It's annoying me.

Though I have to say, this has been a very high quality game so far. Very impressive levels of analysis going on here. Lurkers notwithstanding.

I have to say it. Your opinion changed on this subject MIGHTY fast.

When you were the subject of analysis, you complained and said that people were pretending to pay attention and throwing votes you on you to feign any sort of participation.
Analysis is elsewhere, and now it's a high quality game.

[Matt]

What happens if you don't answer the riddle correctly, Turnip?

[Turnip Head]

What happens if you don't answer the riddle correctly, Turnip?

Hell iff I knoo.

[Enrique]

Why sabie, MP? I wanna hear it in you words.

[Matt]

What happens if you don't answer the riddle correctly, Turnip?

Hell iff I knoo.

Lulz I just realized I didn't even know until I didn't get the riddle correct, my bad.

However, earlier today, you said that the Riddler did not target you, and now you are saying he did? That's quite a flip. Why would you say the Riddler didn't target you then?

I can see a slight chance of sig being Riddler, but that still wouldn't explain why you're talking funny and I'm not. Again, I quite expected to come into this thread today quoting song lyrics or some such but nah, I decided normal was the way to go, so what gives?

[Turnip Head]

Yuoo hefe-a nut currectly cumprehendeded my pusts. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

[Turnip Head]

What happens if you don't answer the riddle correctly, Turnip?

Hell iff I knoo.

Lulz I just realized I didn't even know until I didn't get the riddle correct, my bad.

However, earlier today, you said that the Riddler did not target you, and now you are saying he did? That's quite a flip. Why would you say the Riddler didn't target you then?

I can see a slight chance of sig being Riddler, but that still wouldn't explain why you're talking funny and I'm not. Again, I quite expected to come into this thread today quoting song lyrics or some such but nah, I decided normal was the way to go, so what gives?

Veeet Mett vhet zee foock? Yuoo'fe-a beee esked a reeddle-a by Zee Reeddler yet yuoo theenk he's deed becoose-a yuoo're-a nut pusteeng coorsed? ... zee foock?

[Matt]

Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me

How am I supposed to comprehend this?

[Turnip Head]

smh

[S~V~S]

Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me

How am I supposed to comprehend this?

Say it out loud. He is Swedish Cheffed. You ever watch the Muppets? It is not that hard.

[Matt]

What happens if you don't answer the riddle correctly, Turnip?

Hell iff I knoo.

Lulz I just realized I didn't even know until I didn't get the riddle correct, my bad.

However, earlier today, you said that the Riddler did not target you, and now you are saying he did? That's quite a flip. Why would you say the Riddler didn't target you then?

I can see a slight chance of sig being Riddler, but that still wouldn't explain why you're talking funny and I'm not. Again, I quite expected to come into this thread today quoting song lyrics or some such but nah, I decided normal was the way to go, so what gives?

Veeet Mett vhet zee foock? Yuoo'fe-a beee esked a reeddle-a by Zee Reeddler yet yuoo theenk he's deed becoose-a yuoo're-a nut pusteeng coorsed? ... zee foock?

Considering I was posting funny two days in a row, and was still expected to answer the Riddle, and now suddenly I'm good to go today, then yeah, the logical conclusion is that he's dead and I've been released. Which is why it doesn't make sense you're posting funny if you are riddled as you claim.

[Marmot]

Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me

How am I supposed to comprehend this?

Say it out loud. He is Swedish Cheffed. You ever watch the Muppets? It is not that hard.

I bet you would Swedish Cheferdize the ol' Tulip Head.

[Turnip Head]

I dun't knoo hoo tu help yuu. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Es fer es I cun tell zee Reeddler dues nut hefe-a unytheeng tu du veet pusteeng coorses. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

[Matt]

I dun't knoo hoo tu help yuu. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Es fer es I cun tell zee Reeddler dues nut hefe-a unytheeng tu du veet pusteeng coorses. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

I'm at an incredible loss. Also SVS, I didn't watch a lot of Muppets

[Turnip Head]

I'm at an incredible loss.

Thees dues nut soorpreese-a me-a. It's vhet I'fe-a beee seyeeng ell dey. Bork bork bork!

[Marmot]

I dun't knoo hoo tu help yuu. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Es fer es I cun tell zee Reeddler dues nut hefe-a unytheeng tu du veet pusteeng coorses. Um gesh dee bork, bork!

I'm at an incredible loss. Also SVS, I didn't watch a lot of Muppets

You have to read any TH post aloud to yourself today. It is a must!!

[S~V~S]

Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me

How am I supposed to comprehend this?

Say it out loud. He is Swedish Cheffed. You ever watch the Muppets? It is not that hard.

I bet you would Swedish Cheferdize the ol' Tulip Head.

Not me, but maybe Lorab would. When it happened to me, I was playing in her game, Muppets on TP.

This is a little bit mild for me, but it's cute.

Linki~ me neither, but Swedish Chef was an icon, lol.

linki again, YES, MATT!! Just read it out loud. Except the bork bork bork part ha ha

[Marmot]

Modern day Swedish Chef, but you get the idea.

Spoiler: show

[Matt]

[S~V~S]

bork?

[Dom]

Matt where do you get off criticizing someone for not answering you, but you still haven't answered Zebra's post?

[sig]

Also SVS, I didn't watch a lot of Muppets

I'm ashamed of you, even a sarcastic youngin whipper snapper like myself have seen the original Muppet movies/show. This is like saying you've never watched Star Wars or don't know who Mel Brooks is.

[MacDougall]

I have to say it. Your opinion changed on this subject MIGHTY fast.

When you were the subject of analysis, you complained and said that people were pretending to pay attention and throwing votes you on you to feign any sort of participation.
Analysis is elsewhere, and now it's a high quality game.

Would you mind quoting the posts I made while I was being analysed that gave you the impression my opinion of the game was anything but high quality?

[bea]

A few notes...

All I can say is that I've been on both sides of the coin in the two games I've played here at The Syndicate before this one.

Was this a coincidence or was this a Two Face hint/claim? Not a bad one, considering you're sussed of being Mafia and claiming Two-Face would make you half civ.

Hey Matt I see you aren't post cursed today for the first day in the game. You gonna explain what the go was or just pretend like it didn't happen?

Now there you go... very nice theory we've concocted. Teamwork plus. Maybe there's a future for us together after all.

I think you and Bullz have a nice theory on Riddler, but for some reason I can't explain, I think you may be wrong and on top of that, I think Riddler may have been iced by either Harvey Bullock or the Falcone family. Derp a derp.

To be fair, I also just noticed I targeted the civ MVP of that game 3 times, as well.

Anyway, I do think you're bad Mac, but it is hard to pinpoint who your teammate(s) might be. And when Turnip takes nothing but your word over his awesome case, that is curious. If it wasn't you in the situation, I think you would find it curious as well.

Linki -

Turnip Head backed off of him Before the Black Rock lynch, so if he saw the crumb, he saw it before he started pushing Black Rock specifically over Mac. When I asked him to link me to his cases, he only linked me to the one on Black Rock. When I went and found the Mac case, and voted for him, and Dom not long after me, TH came right out and said, let's lynch Black Rock and talk about Mac tomorrow.

TH was trying to save Mac before the lynch even was set.

Do you think that makes the situation look better or worse for Mac/TH? I think you may be right that he was trying to save Mac, but not that he saw any breadcrumb.

Btw Turnip, Glorfindel obviously claimed Two-Face so I guess we should just take him at his word and stop sussing him now, right?

FWIW - and I know it's not worth much to you matt -

I think reading along - that TH saw that he could be wrong about Mac and wanted more time- I started to see the errors as mac posted them during my catch up too. I can't say anything pro/con toward the breadcrumb cuz tbh, I'm here in my catch up and I just haven't gotten that far yet.

IDK if I believe that glorf was claiming two-face. Is it possible that you're just reading too deeply into a coincidence in phrasing?

[Sorsha]

100% serious question, can we lynch the people we think won't be modkilled

I'm down for this or an MP lynch.

I'm also not totally up to speed with the past day or so of the thread, so not sure if something else has come up.

[sprityo]

Reeddler deedn't du thees sheet tu me-a unyveys su yuoo ere-a su ooffff bese-a it's reedicooluoos. Um gesh dee bork, bork! Yuoo shuoold stup tryeeng tu specoolete-a ebuoot sooch theengs in a geme-a fooll ooff secrets. Um gesh dee bork, bork! It is cleer tu me-a thet yuoo hefe-a nu idea vhet's gueeng oon. Bork bork bork!

Riddler didn't do this to you now?

Okay, please speculate on who did this to you then.

Can't be Joker, unless you targeted dead Black Rock last night.

Can't be Penguin, unless he invisibly voted for you yesterday.

What you got?

Someone definitely did do this to TH. The reason I think that is that I haven't seen that particular insanifier in action since the Muppets game on TP like 3 years ago. Also I'm pretty sure I reminded LC (or Epi) of its existence at some point during AWR or Recruitment. We definitely spoke about it, can't quite remember the whole context. So I think if TH were going to make up a curse he wouldn't use one that had become fairly obscure because that'd be crazy. Whoever did this to him, he's legit IMO.

Convenient linki.

okay look im not all the way through yet, but this is where i am. I've been reading the same questions that i literally FREAKIN SAID EARLIER. I personally think riddler is still alive, and that zebra was almost certainly a visiting role, just which one is unknown.

The only other theory i had with the insanity that didnt involve riddler is that the joker's secret is to pass down his flower to someone, but who knows right?

[MacDougall]

Why do you think it's certain that Zebra was a "visiting role" and what do you mean by visiting role?

[bea]

Hypothetically, would it ruin the game if you were to come out with this perceived breadcrumb? Because most of us simply don't have time to comb through Mac's finely-braided mane of posts looking for something we may or may not recognize as a breadcrumb. Like, I went through 5 pages of his posts before I realized that I wouldn't even know I was looking at a rolehint if I tried.

I'm nut cumeeng oooot veet unytheeng, su yuoor oonly oopshuns ere-a tu seerch hees pusts cereffoolly oor soospect heem unyvey. Bork bork bork! Ere-a yuoo luukeeng tu fute-a fur Mec? Iff nut, vhy dues it metter?

In zee ifent yuoo ere-a zee rule-a thet Mec hes breedcroombed, I troost it vuoold be-a iesy inuoogh fur yuoo tu feend. Bork bork bork!

I don't know if I'm voting for Mac or not. I hadn't really suspected him, but also I am open to any vote today.
I just feel like you're hyping it up to oblivion, and if it comes out, it's going to be like the Star Wars prequels.

I'm nut hypeeng sheet. Um de hur de hur de hur. I mede-a oone-a pust ebuoot it und intended tu drup it. Um de hur de hur de hur. Peuple-a keep eskeeng ebuoot it oor ecteeng leeke-a I'm lyeeng ebuoot it. Um de hur de hur de hur.

I
This is a decent point TH. I didn't play Plinkman so, like JC, I appreciate the comparison.

Also - sweedish chef may be the best way to insanity someone. It's just enough to be a PITA, but still fairly easy to understand.

[bea]

Bullz, I actually think Riddler might've been Zebra.

I was under the impression sig was Bullock based on Zeebs getting hit like that, some players assumed sig to be Montoya, and the Night post hints at sig being a cop of some sort, so I seriously doubt sig was Riddler.

This brings up the question, though...

If Riddler is dead (and I very much believe him to be), and the Joker was lynched yesterday...

What's up with Turnip's "curse" ?

Wait? wot?

Why do you think zeebs was the Riddler? I missed where you explained that bit...
Same thing with people assuming sig was Montoya. I don't remember that being said by anyone?
Who thinks sig was Riddler?

Also - IDK - what's up with Turnip's curse. Are there any roles left that have *secrets* by them?
Also - are you saying that what happened to TH is different from either the knock knock jokes or the Shakespeare that you had? If so - can you say how? Cuz I kinda assumed whoever hit you with the knock knocks was making TH be all sweedish.

[bea]

Sorry, I must have missed it, Glorf.

Glorfindel.... any thoughts on which player might have wanted to silence you? You don't have to speculate in the thread, I just want you to think about it.

I've actually been thinking about that a lot and not only who but their possible motives... And no clue yet... I'm actually at work right now which will severely hamper my capacity to post for the next few hours... Sorry!

I'm curious as to whether or not you saw anything from the last phase as a result of being silenced. I'm sorry if someone else already asked you and I've not gotten there yet. It's just sometimes silencing can be a good thing. It's a different experience to read along as things happen but not have to talk. I was curious as to whether or not you saw something the rest of us might have missed.

Hey, bea I'm very pleased to make your acquaintance That's a good point, but no. To be honest, I was more relieved than anything when I found out I was silenced. Do we know who is silenced today? Is everyone accounted for so far?

As far as my suspicions right now, I don't have a lot. The whole Sig situation has shaken my confidence to the core. Typhoony seems rather strange to me this game for reasons I can't quite put my finger on but looking back to Pikmin Mafia, he was Captain Charlie and his identity was revealed only to me. The funny thing was, even though he was Town, had I not know he was, I think I could've been forgiven to think he wasn't. MP is kinda interesting - I was Mafia with him in Star Wars and as a consequence, I have the greatest admiration and respect for his ability. From conversations I've had with him, I honestly can't seem him as one of those 'Self-lynching' types - I think he's too proud for that despite what pressure he may feel from his real life circumstances. We've got a long way to go this Day phase but I have to say I can't see myself voting for him at this stage...

So do you suspect Typh? You say you "could've been forgiven" in thinking Typh was bad when he was good in Pikmin. I'm not even sure how that correlates to this game. Are you saying without the handicap, you would have read him wrong, and now you are nervous you are reading him wrong this game? I feel like your intrigue of him is circular and non-committal.
And MP is "interesting". I agree, he's an interesting sock, indeed. But you say you probably won't vote him, because he's too proud to self-lynch.

So you were away for a day and have no suspicions whatsoever?

You are interesting, Glorfindel.

You scotty. I like what you say sir.

[Dom]

Mac:

And you're the guy that gets to decide what is and what isn't huh MacNubby

Linki: That's an old joke

Sarcastic retorts are a traditional scum tell on every Mafia forum I've ever played on. "Backtracking can be" was a comment that revealed Bullzeye was just trying to paint me bad by any means necessary. If he had have said "what's with the overuse of the word thumbtack?" and I said "discussing household fastening objects isn't alignment indicative" he'd have said "oh but repeatedly using the word thumbtack can be *stinkeye*".

I've got plenty of you attacking me already so it's cool of you to pick the player with the most people attacking him for your next attempt to pretend to involve yourself in the game. Your credibility in this game is so shot to bits that you're probably doing me a favour by attacking me tbh.

Unless you're going to bring legitimate alignment indicative cases against me I'm not going to bother replying. What are you trying to do here aside from rile me up? You just trying to get me goat? Give me the collywobbles? Certainly no case making or attempts to solve the game in here.

"Pretend to involve yourself in the game"