[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Golden]

For what it's worth, when Matt returned to the thread, he vouched for Golden right off the bat. I assumed they were in one of the BTSC groups together.

But with Golden proposing DrWilgy for a CFD on Day 2, and Matt voting for Long Con on Day 3, I think we can safely assume they are not civilian BTSC partners.

This is a good point, why then do you think Matt said this?

Matt is lying through his teeth is what I think.

Do you think the reason Matt knows I'm good is because I'm not one of his cop teammates and he doesn't want me on his back?

No. I don't think such a thing could be accomplished if you're a civilian and he's not.

What do you think about Matt 2.0?

I think he's A-OK. I don't think his turn around on me is organic. I think it must be info based in some way, and in that sense I wish Matt had been more subtle about it but what can I do. I think there are plenty of explanations for why he might have good reason to think I'm good, without me actually knowing what the reason is for sure. I went looking for some myself, and I've come up with a couple. I'm keeping in mind the possibility that it is the 'he's a cop' thing, though.

But I don't know what the reason is for sure. I don't have btsc with Matt and didn't think about the fact some people might think we did.

[Golden]

Oh, and by that I mean I think Matt is ok because he was willing to make such an inorganic turn around. Like, if he had info I'm good and he is bad, he might as well just continue to tunnel on me.

[Tangrowth]

To make up for the lost hour (no thanks to DST), we'll be cutting the 24th hour off of Night 3. So just a few minutes now and you should have a Night post.

[Tangrowth]

Night 3

Daisy stared out the window of the office she used. It was in the top floor of the tallest building in The Syndicate. Of course, it's only a four story building, but it's something. MP was sitting in a chair across the desk, "it's completely locked down."

"I know."

"I told you we should pay the moderators more money."

"I know."

"Now they are striking."

"I know."

Down in the street she could see Blooper and Dom circling as they waved their signs around, demanding better treatment.

"How are we supposed to do anything tonight?"

"We can't," she finally turned from the window and dropped into her desk chair with a deep sigh, "but at least we know the police can't either. The whole Syndicate is at a standstill."

"So what now?"

"Now we wait."


????? has escaped arrest by the Police.

????? has escaped arrest by the Police.

It is now Day 4.

You have 48 hours to find a policeman. Good luck, goons!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Nice.

Btw guys, one of the prisoner accounts seems to be online rignt now.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Lol at mods being on strike.

[Marmot]

Matt 2.0

Can you dig it?

[Epignosis]

Hey ika. Who survived the arrests?

[Marmot]

Hey ika. Who survived the arrests?

Clearly it was Sloonei and Sloonei.

[Epignosis]

Nerolunar. My opinion hasn't changed yet.

[Golden]

I'm sticking with sig for now.

I'm guessing that the baddies may have figured out who both dons are now, unless there is a doctor or other way of protecting people out there somewhere.

[agleaminranks]

I'm sticking with sig for now.

I'm guessing that the baddies may have figured out who both dons are now, unless there is a doctor or other way of protecting people out there somewhere.

These are my thoughts as well. I'm guessing that right now the only way for the dons to go is to get lynch, which doesn't bode well for the civs here.

I think we need to pay close attention to patterns in lynch votes to find our cops.

[Quin]

Can someone remind me why Tranq's role is unknown?

Also, we should consider all of the 'new' suspicions that came up on Day 3 as an attempt for mafia to lynch a don. By that I mean anyone who's name wasn't brought up on Night 2, but only on Day 3. I'm going to have a look through those phases and see what I can find. I think it unlikely that scum wouldn't act on the knowledge that they'd outted a don straight away.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok, I have a question for all the people thinking or intending to vote for Sig:

What are the chances he is just being his scummy self and that we are mislynching town Sig again?

Because I got the impression some of his posts were so cringe-worthy there's no way he has a team working with him.

If this was a closed setup game on NF I'd call jester (a role who wins the game if it gets lynched).

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Can someone remind me why Tranq's role is unknown?

Also, we should consider all of the 'new' suspicions that came up on Day 3 as an attempt for mafia to lynch a don. By that I mean anyone who's name wasn't brought up on Night 2, but only on Day 3. I'm going to have a look through those phases and see what I can find. I think it unlikely that scum wouldn't act on the knowledge that they'd outted a don straight away.

Night killed roles are usually hidden by default in this site.

Matt and Wilgy are actually the exception, probably due to the mafia vs mafia mechanic unique to this game

[Quin]

I'm sticking with sig for now.

I'm guessing that the baddies may have figured out who both dons are now, unless there is a doctor or other way of protecting people out there somewhere.

These are my thoughts as well. I'm guessing that right now the only way for the dons to go is to get lynch, which doesn't bode well for the civs here.

I think we need to pay close attention to patterns in lynch votes to find our cops.

Going by the family win conditions there is a way that either the dons or the police can actually be arrested. MP confirmed that there wasn't an error in how it was written, but I'm stuck as to what it is.

The story post and the player roster use both 'arrested' and 'lynched' for the same player, which is confusing, so I think it'd help if MP/SD could confirm or deny that during the day, players are lynched, and at night players are arrested.

[S~V~S]

Ok, I have a question for all the people thinking or intending to vote for Sig:

What are the chances he is just being his scummy self and that we are mislynching town Sig again?

Because I got the impression some of his posts were so cringe-worthy there's no way he has a team working with him.

If this was a closed setup game on NF I'd call jester (a role who wins the game if it gets lynched).

But it isn't a closed set up on NF.

Voting sig

He was clearly saved, he was a Fuzz-saver.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

The fourth sentence in my post was meant to be ironic.

[Golden]

He was clearly saved, he was a Fuzz-saver.

At this point this exactly how I feel.

I mean, really, how can we NOT lynch sig.

[S~V~S]

The fourth sentence in my post was meant to be ironic.

My hair ruffles in the breeze as irony flies over my head.

[sig]

Ok, I have a question for all the people thinking or intending to vote for Sig:

What are the chances he is just being his scummy self and that we are mislynching town Sig again?

Because I got the impression some of his posts were so cringe-worthy there's no way he has a team working with him.

If this was a closed setup game on NF I'd call jester (a role who wins the game if it gets lynched).

But it isn't a closed set up on NF.

Voting sig

He was clearly saved, he was a Fuzz-saver.

noooooo SVS.

Also yes I was clearly saved Quin said he saved me. However, this doesn't mean my mafia buddy saved me. Since I'm not a member of the mafia.

[Golden]

Trying to take Quin down behind you?

There are plenty of people who voted in anti-sig wagons.

[sig]

He was clearly saved, he was a Fuzz-saver.

At this point this exactly how I feel.

I mean, really, how can we NOT lynch sig.

Well you can look at those little bubbles near the top of the page and push one that doesn't say sig then go down just a little bit and hit the submit button. Then you can not lynch me. It is really quite simply.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

So you are a cop?

[sig]

Trying to take Quin down behind you?

There are plenty of people who voted in anti-sig wagons.

Nope? But SVS is making it seem like maybe someone tried to save me when it is quite obvious someone did. Oh and you sound crazy in this post Golden.

linki: me? no

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Really guys.

Picture yourself as a cop.

You see this guy posting.

What is your first impulse?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I mean, assuming he is a cop too.

[S~V~S]

Freud: Sometimes a Banana is Just a Banana

[Epignosis]

Ok, I have a question for all the people thinking or intending to vote for Sig:

What are the chances he is just being his scummy self and that we are mislynching town Sig again?

Because I got the impression some of his posts were so cringe-worthy there's no way he has a team working with him.

If this was a closed setup game on NF I'd call jester (a role who wins the game if it gets lynched).

I don't see any jesters.

[Golden]

I mean, assuming he is a cop too.

Are you getting at bussing rather than saving?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sorry if I'm offending you Sig. But godanmmit you are so scummy.

@SVS

The Syndicate has taught be to look ar bananas and assume they are anything other than that.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I mean, assuming he is a cop too.

Are you getting at bussing rather than saving?

No, I'm getting at 4 cops screaming at him on Chatzy and telling him to shut up.

Or, if they are not assholes, at least giving him some tips, like "don't OMGUS all the time".

[S~V~S]

But regardless, Occams razor still applies and bananas can be bananas.

[sig]

Sorry if I'm offending you Sig. But godanmmit you are so scummy.

@SVS

The Syndicate has taught be to look ar bananas and assume they are anything other than that.

Not to worry I'm not offended If you actually look at my meta I usually look less scummy as well scum, and more scummy as civ. While this isn't always the case it usually is.

[Golden]

I mean, assuming he is a cop too.

Are you getting at bussing rather than saving?

No, I'm getting at 4 cops screaming at him on Chatzy and telling him to shut up.

Or, if they are not assholes, at least giving him some tips, like "don't OMGUS all the time".

Why? Sig sticking to his game plan is working for him. Look at all the people like you defending him for NOT changing his game plan.

What you suggest is 'hey sig, why don't you change your approach and therefore make it obvious you have teammates'. It doesn't scan to me.

[Golden]

Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

[Epignosis]

I mean, assuming he is a cop too.

Are you getting at bussing rather than saving?

No, I'm getting at 4 cops screaming at him on Chatzy and telling him to shut up.

Or, if they are not assholes, at least giving him some tips, like "don't OMGUS all the time".

I've been hosting nonstop for six months. And I've hosted a little bit before that. It 's very rare that I see a coordinated team that uses their chat for you know...communication and shit. Most of the time, they pop in and maybe come up with Night actions or something, but most of the time, those chat rooms are dead. Not always, but most of the time.

Yes, if I were bad with sig, I be spanking sig and sending him to the corner, but not until after I nailed Fuzz to the cross for somehow getting himself lynched in the last 30 minutes of the day when he'd had like zero or no votes.

But Mafia don't use their chat as much as you would think they would.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@Golden

So you're suggesting we minimize the posting style and just look at vote history?

@Epi

Fair point.

I'll think for a little while. Maybe read Sig's posts again.

[Quin]

Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

Note that before EoD3 sig had nothing of value to say about me, and after I saved him was when the scum-reads came out.

[ika]

i got home form work give me 15-30 mins and i should be here

[sig]

I mean, assuming he is a cop too.

Are you getting at bussing rather than saving?

No, I'm getting at 4 cops screaming at him on Chatzy and telling him to shut up.

Or, if they are not assholes, at least giving him some tips, like "don't OMGUS all the time".

Yes, if I were bad with sig, I be spanking sig and sending him to the corner, but not until after I nailed Fuzz to the cross for somehow getting himself lynched in the last 30 minutes of the day when he'd had like zero or no votes.

But Mafia don't use their chat as much as you would think they would.

Well okay Epi remind me to never be on a mafia team with you, I don't like to get spanked not kinky at all. :P
If I was mafia which I'm not and even if my team was inactive I'd never have tried to save Fuzz that close to the deadline. I'd have been on board for the CFD and maybe tried to redirect it a bit. However, I wouldn't have been so outspoken agaisnt it.

Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

or C we are both civ and Quin saved me since he is reading me as civ
D Quin did nothing and something else happened to save me.

linki: It wasn't scum reads though, I was providing potential scenarios and still have mainly defended you saving me.

[Quin]

I mean, assuming he is a cop too.

Are you getting at bussing rather than saving?

No, I'm getting at 4 cops screaming at him on Chatzy and telling him to shut up.

Or, if they are not assholes, at least giving him some tips, like "don't OMGUS all the time".

Yes, if I were bad with sig, I be spanking sig and sending him to the corner, but not until after I nailed Fuzz to the cross for somehow getting himself lynched in the last 30 minutes of the day when he'd had like zero or no votes.

But Mafia don't use their chat as much as you would think they would.

Well okay Epi remind me to never be on a mafia team with you, I don't like to get spanked not kinky at all. :P
If I was mafia which I'm not and even if my team was inactive I'd never have tried to save Fuzz that close to the deadline. I'd have been on board for the CFD and maybe tried to redirect it a bit. However, I wouldn't have been so outspoken agaisnt it.

Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

or C we are both civ and Quin saved me since he is reading me as civ
D Quin did nothing and something else happened to save me.

linki: It wasn't scum reads though, I was providing potential scenarios and still have mainly defended you saving me.

I'm talking mainly in response to Golden's assumption that you're scum. But even so, you are defending me for the most part but you're still throwing that subtle comment or two which, in that scenario, would probably have me lynched after you. You did it in this very comment.

[Golden]

@Golden

So you're suggesting we minimize the posting style and just look at vote history?

Not necessarily... minimise. Just... not assume that you will see clear influence of teammates.

I think vote history can also go both ways, as I just pointed out with the quin thing. Tell you what, if I was bad, in my perfect world I manage to get a civilian to cast really key votes to save me. It might make them go down behind me.

But overall I think vote analysis tells the most truth.

In my second game, many years ago now, I got to play a sock game. It was really good, because no-one really knew me and so my voice was equal to veterans. I did vote analysis, I took my confident tone, people listened and I did significant damage in that game by catching a lot of baddies based on the objective evidence. Of course, noone was tone reading in that game either. You wouldn't have known if a particular sock was sig.

I do think we let 'posting style' get in the way sometimes. I much prefer to look at motivations behind the posts. Take sig. Do I agree his posting style is the same as normal? Sure, I guess. I mean, it would be interesting to see if he looks slightly more clueless/lost after EoD2, but I haven't checked that.

But when I think about why sig makes the posts he makes, so many of them appear to have specific motives to me. Like, I went through isoing sig and Quin. Quin's posts felt motive-less, neutral, like someone genuinely objecting to the Fuzz lynch because he didn't understand it. Sig's posts feel manipulative, intentionally designed around saving Fuzz or painting other people as targets, and not about understanding what was going on.

This is what I mean when I say I get my reads out of how people reacted to the lynch or whatever... it's about can I see and understand the motive behind the post.

And then I add in vote analysis as well. I think often baddies vote at times which have the possibility of impacting the direction of the thread. Vote analysis is harder with changeable votes, but ultimately something like EoD2 is about as close as you can get to unchangeable votes in a changeable vote game, in that last half an hour.

[Quin]

I just noticed my title has been changed to 'The Quin'. I had a superhero persona named as such. But you're still wrong. That's not my name either.

[Golden]

I just noticed my title has been changed to 'The Quin'. I had a superhero persona named as such. But you're still wrong. That's not my name either.

How did it change?

[Golden]

Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

Note that before EoD3 sig had nothing of value to say about me, and after I saved him was when the scum-reads came out.

Gun to head, has your view on sig changed or would you still civ read him?

[S~V~S]

I just noticed my title has been changed to 'The Quin'. I had a superhero persona named as such. But you're still wrong. That's not my name either.

It wasn't me.But HAD it been me, I would have made it "The Mighty Quin"

[Tangrowth]

I just noticed my title has been changed to 'The Quin'. I had a superhero persona named as such. But you're still wrong. That's not my name either.

[Quin]

Here is an example of why I can't use stuff like that to evaluate sig's affiliation.

In wake of EoD2, if the cop team was as exposed as it could have seemed at face value, isn't wifom a valuable way to fix it?

To me, right now, I would say if sig was lynched and came back cop, the natural thing to do would be to say 'lets lynch quin, he saved sig', right?

So then, you have a couple of possibilities.

A) Quin is bad, and went for wifom so we'd say 'that is too obvious'. Something that is already working given how hesitant people are to lynch sig for the Fuzz lynch.
B) Quin is not bad, and sig hopes to take Quin down behind him.

But which is more likely? At this point, both could be used and the other argued to decent effect.

Note that before EoD3 sig had nothing of value to say about me, and after I saved him was when the scum-reads came out.

Gun to head, has your view on sig changed or would you still civ read him?

You could say he's gone from a civ-read to a slightly-less-civ-read in light of his most recent comments. I'm not seeing the same sig as I did in zodiac mafia, which may just be because he's not masking himself with a roleplay element here. I would still oppose his lynch, but as I've said before I feel I'm too much of a biased party here to make any concrete decisions.

[ika]

Ok well now this throws me off.............

the only thing i can think of offhand about ideas is stool pidgion/don hits. ill need to look into it more to narrow it down.

@matt, i dont. FMPOV it looks like that would be the most likely outcome. i explained it sevral times already what i think abotu it, if you haev a better idea on who it is then tell me

if someone is here to talk i should be around but im gonna be busy workign on a set at the same time