[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[a2thezebra]

Prison did not agree with me.

Why hello. Who should we lynch?

I couldn't possibly comment. It is my understanding however that the goal is to lynch those with whom your morals conflict.

And if you have no morals?

[S~V~S]

I wish you luck escapees

[a2thezebra]

Ok, I'm here a little late. First has someone already explained the ika "slip"? If so I'll go back and find it. If not could someone explain it?

ika didn't slip.

[Rachel Green]

YEEEEEEEHAWWWWW!!!!!!

[Prisoner 509378]

This is a point that has likely already been discussed to some degree, but I'll raise it again anyway: Fuzz was lynched despite trailing in his tally by one vote. That likely means there were extra votes in play somewhere, probably via the loan shark(s). The late votes that secured the lynch, like Turnip Head and Sloonei -- how have those been received?

I'm reminded of a particular bus vote by Russ in the Talking Heads game that earned him town credibility for nearly the whole game before the town finally figured it out.

[Saito]

Ok, I'm here a little late. First has someone already explained the ika "slip"? If so I'll go back and find it. If not could someone explain it?

ika didn't slip.

See now things are interesting. I read just a few pages back some yuckity yuck said that ika showed knowledge she shouldn't have had. Is that not a slip?

[Prisoner 509378]

What lynches are you sold on, 509?

I just got out of jail. I'm never going back. That means I'm not planting my flag into any camps until I know I've made the best principled choice.

You've voted for ika, I see. Why?

I think him and the warden are in cahoots.

I'm not here for jokes. Why did you vote for ika?

[indiglo]

My recollection is that there was a core of us uncomfortable with the 3 main candidates: ika, gleam and LC. So we discussed just pooling our votes and going elsewhere. A few names were tossed around, 1 them eventually being Fuzz. SVS jumped on, did a quick ISO and found something off. The thread was moving SUPER fast, and there was MUCH discussion about whether or not the "off thing" was really a thing, or just some hare brained tangent.

I felt better about the "off thing" from Fuzz than I did about the 3 candidates, so popped my vote on there and hoped for the best. Interesting thing was, after we had gotten Fuzz up to being the leader (many Gleam voters hopped off Gleam and onto Fuzz) LC came in and tied ika with Fuzz. Then lastly, sig jumped on and put ika in the lead. Fuzz still got lynched though.

Does that help at all? It was a crazy day, to say the least.

It helps a great deal, thank you. The context of the lynch progression is crucial to my being able to fully grasp each important variable. When you say "the off thing" in reference to Fuzz, what do you mean?

Here is a link to the original SVS post finding The Off Thing

Here are the quotes:

Breaking the tie, voting for ika.

ika

This is a very opportunistic vote and probably scum.

I kind of agree. This is his last postmentioning ika:

Matt is either playing from a high tightrope or is town. The risk/reward for his actions feels like high/medium if he's scum.
Sloonei is my strongest townread, as his posts have consistently made logical sense and he's avoided tunnelling on one player or interaction. It feels like he's trying to solve the game, and that's good.
You look town-y to me, for similar reasons to Sloonei. The difference is your tone reads as a little early to reach a conclusion, like you're content with finding enough facts to reach a conclusion at all, not necessarily the correct one.

Spirityo still has said next to nothing and we're a few hours out from Day 2 ending. His four posts consist of the following. A "linki - that's a good idea", one "I agree with Sloonei about the cultural differences between RYM & Syndicate", a greeting to everyone, and an apology for missing the vote. Absolutely zero content whatsoever.
Enrique I don't like because of his refusal to explain his vote on Day 1. That entire situation read as if he was nervous, if that makes sense, like he didn't have a reason at the time of his vote but decided he needed one.

I refuse to touch the Silverwolf/ika thing with a 39 & 1/2 foot pole. There's some logic to be found in interactions regarding them, but so much emotion that I'd probably end up stepping on someone's toes and they'd get mad at me for their decision to wear sandals.

My vote's going to be used to prevent a tie today. I'm indifferent as to where specifically it goes.

Turnip the reason you should vote for me is so you stop twiddling your thumbs about who to vote for.

Llama can you elaborate on your conclusion that Luffy's posts scream "cop?"

ebwop, what changed? Why did he grab his 39 1/2 foot pole & start touching?

[Saito]

I will probably vote for whomever a majority of my cohorts vote for. Time on the inside bonds us and I'd trust these no good dirty sacks of crime with my life.

[a2thezebra]

Ok, I'm here a little late. First has someone already explained the ika "slip"? If so I'll go back and find it. If not could someone explain it?

ika didn't slip.

See now things are interesting. I read just a few pages back some yuckity yuck said that ika showed knowledge she shouldn't have had. Is that not a slip?

It's not true. ika knows what ika knows, but no conclusions of that nature can be deduced from the thread.

[Saito]

Ok, I'm here a little late. First has someone already explained the ika "slip"? If so I'll go back and find it. If not could someone explain it?

ika didn't slip.

See now things are interesting. I read just a few pages back some yuckity yuck said that ika showed knowledge she shouldn't have had. Is that not a slip?

It's not true. ika knows what ika knows, but no conclusions of that nature can be deduced from the thread.

So you're calling that person a liar?

[a2thezebra]

What lynches are you sold on, 509?

I just got out of jail. I'm never going back. That means I'm not planting my flag into any camps until I know I've made the best principled choice.

You've voted for ika, I see. Why?

I think him and the warden are in cahoots.

I'm not here for jokes. Why did you vote for ika?

No. You don't understand.

Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

[a2thezebra]

Ok, I'm here a little late. First has someone already explained the ika "slip"? If so I'll go back and find it. If not could someone explain it?

ika didn't slip.

See now things are interesting. I read just a few pages back some yuckity yuck said that ika showed knowledge she shouldn't have had. Is that not a slip?

It's not true. ika knows what ika knows, but no conclusions of that nature can be deduced from the thread.

So you're calling that person a liar?

That or mistaken.

[Saito]

Ok, I'm here a little late. First has someone already explained the ika "slip"? If so I'll go back and find it. If not could someone explain it?

ika didn't slip.

See now things are interesting. I read just a few pages back some yuckity yuck said that ika showed knowledge she shouldn't have had. Is that not a slip?

It's not true. ika knows what ika knows, but no conclusions of that nature can be deduced from the thread.

So you're calling that person a liar?

That or mistaken.

If you don't think ika slipped do you think ika is bad?

[a2thezebra]

Ok, I'm here a little late. First has someone already explained the ika "slip"? If so I'll go back and find it. If not could someone explain it?

ika didn't slip.

See now things are interesting. I read just a few pages back some yuckity yuck said that ika showed knowledge she shouldn't have had. Is that not a slip?

It's not true. ika knows what ika knows, but no conclusions of that nature can be deduced from the thread.

So you're calling that person a liar?

That or mistaken.

If you don't think ika slipped do you think ika is bad?

I have for some time now.

[Prisoner 509378]

What lynches are you sold on, 509?

I just got out of jail. I'm never going back. That means I'm not planting my flag into any camps until I know I've made the best principled choice.

You've voted for ika, I see. Why?

I think him and the warden are in cahoots.

I'm not here for jokes. Why did you vote for ika?

No. You don't understand.

Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

I'm not here to bargain either. I've just come here from jail, I have immediately set to my task, and that is all anyone can possibly ask of me. Your request is unreasonable. Mine is not. If you will not answer it, then I will assume you have no answer and color you a suspect accordingly.

[S~V~S]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

[Quin]

Should I be under the impression that Matt 1.0 is a prisoner? hyuckhyuckhyuck

[Rachel Green]

OMG, I've been in prison a lonnnnnnng ass time. I have no idea about anything. Anyone want to provide a brief synopsis of life on the outside? No? Okay, I'll start reading, then!

[indiglo]

This is a point that has likely already been discussed to some degree, but I'll raise it again anyway: Fuzz was lynched despite trailing in his tally by one vote. That likely means there were extra votes in play somewhere, probably via the loan shark(s). The late votes that secured the lynch, like Turnip Head and Sloonei -- how have those been received?

I'm reminded of a particular bus vote by Russ in the Talking Heads game that earned him town credibility for nearly the whole game before the town finally figured it out.

Both of these players' names have been mentioned a couple of times as suspicious. So far, I don't believe any major cases have been made on either of them, but I may be forgetting something again. (But I don't think I am.)

[Prisoner 509378]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I've never understood this mindset, at least not the most general concept of it: that a baddie cannot be the counterwagon of another baddie. That would only indicate that the townies are on point, and I don't think that's outrageous. However, the development of the counterwagon and other contextual details could change my mind. Is there a reason specific to that context that makes you feel this way, or is it purely that ika was the counterwagon?

[a2thezebra]

What lynches are you sold on, 509?

I just got out of jail. I'm never going back. That means I'm not planting my flag into any camps until I know I've made the best principled choice.

You've voted for ika, I see. Why?

I think him and the warden are in cahoots.

I'm not here for jokes. Why did you vote for ika?

No. You don't understand.

Answer my question and I'll answer yours.

I'm not here to bargain either. I've just come here from jail, I have immediately set to my task, and that is all anyone can possibly ask of me. Your request is unreasonable. Mine is not. If you will not answer it, then I will assume you have no answer and color you a suspect accordingly.

Be my guest.

[Prisoner 509378]

This is a point that has likely already been discussed to some degree, but I'll raise it again anyway: Fuzz was lynched despite trailing in his tally by one vote. That likely means there were extra votes in play somewhere, probably via the loan shark(s). The late votes that secured the lynch, like Turnip Head and Sloonei -- how have those been received?

I'm reminded of a particular bus vote by Russ in the Talking Heads game that earned him town credibility for nearly the whole game before the town finally figured it out.

Both of these players' names have been mentioned a couple of times as suspicious. So far, I don't believe any major cases have been made on either of them, but I may be forgetting something again. (But I don't think I am.)

What's your take?

Thanks by the way for the details via the S~V~S quote.

[Quin]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

[a2thezebra]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

You don't think more than one major wagon at one time can be bad?

[Prisoner 509378]

Should I be under the impression that Matt 1.0 is a prisoner? hyuckhyuckhyuck

I've just posted an ISO of sorts about you. Please check my post history and share your thoughts on it at your earliest convenience.

[a2thezebra]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

What do you mean by this?

[Quin]

Voted for Scotty, btw.

[Golf]

Should I be under the impression that Matt 1.0 is a prisoner? hyuckhyuckhyuck

Is this a joke?

[Golf]

Are votes changeable?

[Quin]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

What do you mean by this?

I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.

[Matt]

Should I be under the impression that Matt 1.0 is a prisoner? hyuckhyuckhyuck

Is this a joke?

Lol. Like, MP and Daisy let me post in this thread and your prisoner thread too? That would be the shiz, I'd have so much knowledge. Muhahahaha. And then probably ignore it all and tunnel ika.

[a2thezebra]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

What do you mean by this?

I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.

But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.

[S~V~S]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I've never understood this mindset, at least not the most general concept of it: that a baddie cannot be the counterwagon of another baddie. That would only indicate that the townies are on point, and I don't think that's outrageous. However, the development of the counterwagon and other contextual details could change my mind. Is there a reason specific to that context that makes you feel this way, or is it purely that ika was the counterwagon?

It was a CFD, and Fuzz had ZERO votes when it started. There was some panic and some people pushing hard against the Fuzz wagon. Like Quin, and Fuzz himself had voted for ika, and kept his vote there. I guess it is possioble, but two others had 4 or 5 votes at that time, and I doubt they were all baddies. and ika would up with the most visible votes, even though Fuzz was lynched:

DAY 2

Who arrested Tranq?

Poll ended at Wed Mar 09, 2016 5:45:05 pm


a2thezebra
1
Epignosis (27) 3%

agleaminranks
1
Scotty (4) 3%

Black Rock
0
No votes

Bullzeye
0
No votes

chaindeath
0
No votes

Dragon D. Luffy
2
thellama73 (2), chaindeath (26) 7%

DrWilgy
0
No votes

Enrique
0
No votes

Epignosis
3
Metalmarsh89 (8), a2thezebra (9), DrWilgy (10) 10%

Golden
1
Matt (13) 3%

ika
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%

Long Con
0
No votes

Matt
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

Mongoose
0
No votes

Nerolunar
0
No votes

Quin
0
No votes

RadicalFuzz
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%

S~V~S
0
No votes

Scotty
0
No votes

Serge
0
No votes

sig
0
No votes

Silverwolf
0
No votes

Sloonei
0
No votes

Soneji
0
No votes

sprityo
0
No votes

thellama73
0
No votes

Turnip Head
1
Black Rock (15) 3%

Barney Fife (hosts, mod, non-players)
3
MovingPictures07 (1), Spacedaisy (3), nijuukyugou (7) 10%

Total votes : 29

Missing votes: Mongoose, sprityo

ika does not look that bad tome in this, especially since Fuzz was one of the more inportant roles

[S~V~S]

Christ I need to type better.

[Golden]

Christ I need to type better.

Your confession has been heard and you are absolved.

[Quin]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

What do you mean by this?

I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.

But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.

I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.

[a2thezebra]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

What do you mean by this?

I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.

But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.

I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.

Everything matters.

[S~V~S]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

What do you mean by this?

I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.

But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.

I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.

Why would it look bad or good if you do or do not respond to a post where I did not mention you?

Why are you so worried about how it looks?

[indiglo]

This is a point that has likely already been discussed to some degree, but I'll raise it again anyway: Fuzz was lynched despite trailing in his tally by one vote. That likely means there were extra votes in play somewhere, probably via the loan shark(s). The late votes that secured the lynch, like Turnip Head and Sloonei -- how have those been received?

I'm reminded of a particular bus vote by Russ in the Talking Heads game that earned him town credibility for nearly the whole game before the town finally figured it out.

Both of these players' names have been mentioned a couple of times as suspicious. So far, I don't believe any major cases have been made on either of them, but I may be forgetting something again. (But I don't think I am.)

What's your take?

Thanks by the way for the details via the S~V~S quote.

No problem!

My take - I need to ISO them both. I haven't felt real substantial input from either of them (at least not lately for Sloon, due to work), and that vote doesn't look great. I have typed out like 2 or 3 different things here trying to get my thoughts in order on both of them. That tells me I need to ISO them.

They haven't done anything that sticks out like a sore thumb that screams SCUM yet, at least to me, which is why I haven't focused on them yet. The fact that I can't form a concrete read on either tells me that's a good area to work on. So far, my main reads are a small core of folks I'm pretty certain are civs... which isn't necessarily helpful in the lynching scum department. Ya know?

Whoa, linkapalooza!!!!~

[Prisoner 509378]

Checking sig's interactions with Fuzz:

Spoiler: show

Serge and Fuzz votes both opportunistic, I'd be open to either of them too.

Serge another new player?

linki: Good point from Sloonie, however I can also see what he means CFD usually are lead by mafia imo. It has saved me more then once getting worked up then someone else suggesting it

Golden makes an assertive statement against Serge and Fuzz, sig only responds about Serge.

Spoiler: show

Wow why Fuzz this makes no sense I think this is a baddie driven CFD to save a teammate, notice almost the same people are up for lynches today as yesterday? I stand by my theory that one was mafia and that we had some minor save last phase, I think we are seeing a much bigger save attempt this phase. With a mafia team thhis big a CFD is easy to pull off I think this is scum driven to save one of the three leading people. Most likely Ike or Epi.

Can someone give me any reason for the Fuzz lynch?

I also really dislike DDL switch and his reasons. I actually am agreeing with Llama about him what about a Dragon lycnh?

linki: DDL and Golden are my top two scum reads, either Ike or Epi are there partners. Possibly Wilgy as well.

Another suspect I've been handed here seemingly because he defended the confirmed baddie. I will state again that I don't think it's inherently suspicious for a player to defend a bad guy. Townies have screwed up in every Mafia game ever played. If I have any problem at all with this, it'd be his trepidation about the CFD which recalls baddie DharmaHelper's behavior in the 2015 GOC. I don't think this is very suspicious at face value though honestly.

Spoiler: show

That isn't enough to lynch him though.

Linkie that is a good reason a scum wagon even if it is a CFD never develops this quickly. Also the reasons for the Fuzz lynch makes zero sense.

What are the reasons for the Fuzz lynch?

He voted for ike after saying he wasn't going to discuss ike/Silver correct? I believe Baddie Fuzz wouldn't slip like that. I think this is the mafia finding a weak reason and freaking everyone out.

I don't fault someone for being dubious about slip assertions. Most "slips" aren't slips.

Spoiler: show

oops lol, guess I was wrong. However, I'm not mafia I believed the Wagon on lynch developed to quickly to be real.

Immediate reaction to the flip revealing how wrong his read was. Personally, when I'm town and I get a read catastrophically wrong... "oops lol" is exactly the kind of thing I say. I mean what can you do?

---------------

I don't think sig looks bad. The first bit was a little negative, but it's tiny and insignificant IMO.

[Quin]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

What do you mean by this?

I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.

But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.

I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.

Everything matters.

Okay, then what conclusion have you come to based on that post?

linki: You're interpreting it that way. It was a rhetorical question.

[indiglo]

Are votes changeable?

They have been, yes. I haven't voted in this poll yet to say for certain, but everyday they have been so far.

[indiglo]

Christ I need to type better.

I need to type faster.

[Golden]

So, thinking that some prisoners were not actually original players, in which case...

Hi, JJJ!!!

[Golf]

I have to go, I have to visit my family and my mistress. Looks like homie50's got this, he'll share his results with us homies later and then we can contribute to lynchin' some good ol' scum. Hopefully the Warden.

Golden is le annoying.

[Prisoner 509378]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I've never understood this mindset, at least not the most general concept of it: that a baddie cannot be the counterwagon of another baddie. That would only indicate that the townies are on point, and I don't think that's outrageous. However, the development of the counterwagon and other contextual details could change my mind. Is there a reason specific to that context that makes you feel this way, or is it purely that ika was the counterwagon?

It was a CFD, and Fuzz had ZERO votes when it started. There was some panic and some people pushing hard against the Fuzz wagon. Like Quin, and Fuzz himself had voted for ika, and kept his vote there. I guess it is possioble, but two others had 4 or 5 votes at that time, and I doubt they were all baddies. and ika would up with the most visible votes, even though Fuzz was lynched:

Okay, a massive CFD is definitely important context so I can understand a bit better. I do think that it's fair to assume that a CFD which fell onto a confirmed mafia Fuzz was probably more town-motivated than not (because if ika is town then the mafia obviously are content to keep it there, and if ika is mafia then it'd be a huge risk to kill one member and leave other as a top suspect still). With that in mind, I'm still not sure it says much about ika's alignment. I'm not saying ika is a top suspect though, because my own interactive read wasn't terribly conclusive.

[Quin]

Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.

I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.

What do you mean by this?

I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.

But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.

I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.

Why would it look bad or good if you do or do not respond to a post where I did not mention you?

Why are you so worried about how it looks?

Also, why are you avoiding the question?

[Epignosis]

I have two threads to read tonight and limited time, so:

Dear prisoners:

I am most suspicious of sig because of his frantic defense of Fuzz, his willingness to allege anybody and everybody, and accusing people for doing or saying things he himself has done and said.

I am second most suspicious of DDL, mainly because after gleam got lynched, DDL acted as though sig's lynch was a foregone conclusion.

I would like your criminal expertise in this, because I'm voting one of these bee-yotches.

Sincerely,

Piper Chapman.

[a2thezebra]

But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.

I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.

Everything matters.

Okay, then what conclusion have you come to based on that post?

linki: You're interpreting it that way. It was a rhetorical question.

The conclusion that I have come to is that it seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.