[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

#4701

@golden

My sig is like that becuase i mod games myself and pas a player i have had mods sometime question my actions. One game that jsut finished on the homestie a perosn won on a technicality that their wincon didnt neeed them alive.

Basicly i have seen/played/hhosted games where people have made some really "WTF" type posts/actions/ect. And well as a mod you cant stop them form doing that said action. Hell in one large game it could of technically been won by everyone but 2 ppl.

Its a mistake that the mods made but could not fix or repair. So when a mod complains and tries to fix stuff i send them this

#4702

Silverwolf wrote:
I'm glad we found each other.

Sorry to lynch you as scum but you'd do the same to me every time and have before. Although IIRC, you were not successful at lynching me, I did get crosskilled and flipped scum which totally vindicated your read on me which you could do nothing about since I incinerated you before I was iced.

me too, without you i would probally be 6 feet underground. you were here for me when i was the most depressed, where i just wanted to end my life and remove everythign, you saved me form that and words can not begin to express the gratitude i have for it.

YOur trulyamaizng and i cna not say it enough

we dont mention that game........ it irrtated me enought ppl town red you more for it :P

#4703

OK, great, thanks ika.

#4704

ika wrote:@golden

My sig is like that becuase i mod games myself and pas a player i have had mods sometime question my actions. One game that jsut finished on the homestie a perosn won on a technicality that their wincon didnt neeed them alive.

Basicly i have seen/played/hhosted games where people have made some really "WTF" type posts/actions/ect. And well as a mod you cant stop them form doing that said action. Hell in one large game it could of technically been won by everyone but 2 ppl.

Its a mistake that the mods made but could not fix or repair. So when a mod complains and tries to fix stuff i send them this

I really want to make another "sig" joke, but I fear they are getting old. :P

#4705

Epignosis wrote:Can one of the prisoners please escort these two to one of the conjugal visit trailers?

we would be spending a few years in there

#4706

Ok, so I found the post of Luffy's that gave me pause on suspecting him. I would love to get some more input on this.

During the CFD of Fuzz, Luffy put up some resistance. Gleam was his first choice (no judgment there

), but after a bit of time he decided to join us in the Fuzz lynch. I went back to read that whole section to get context. At this point, I believe Fuzz and ika were tied. Sloon offered up the option of switching to Matt 1.0. Then, Luffy responded like this:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
sig wrote:Why would mafia Fuzz pop in at endgame and vote Ike unless he was saving Gleam/Epi if this was the case why ditch both those wagons? This is the scummiest CFD since the one I lead to stop me from getting lynched when I was almost confirmed mafia

@Epi he didn't
because he needed to vote, and maybe all three of them are townies and he just wanted to send any one of them to jail.

also i put my vote on Matt. How do we all feel about that?
No.

Godanmit guys, this isn't turbo mafia.

Which is where I'd like interpretations from others. (Maybe even those who have played with him before.) I liked this. Were he a teammate of Fuzz's... would he be more likely to try to get off the wagon and get folks to go elsewhere? Or would he ride it out and risk losing a teammate?

For further context, remember, Fuzz & ika were tied at this point, and when the poll ended (like 20 or 25 minutes after this comment from Luffy) ika actually had MORE votes than Fuzz.

Linkapalooza~

#4707

Chaindeath is going to reply in line and would like to apologies that he has to post such a huge quote.

Scotty wrote:ISOing chaindeath because he only has 15 posts and I've suspected him on the back burner for a while.
(Just a preface: I like this guy's 3rd person play style. It's funny and charming in a weird way. But I digress). I'm going to microanalyzing him because he has given enough to do so IMO:

Day 1: votes LC because he seems "off" He's responded to this in a previous post

Day 2: suspects Matt because he is "acting oddly" and Silverwolf because she is "acting fishy". No further explanation. Speculates that the arrest was switched to Wilgy (could it be because Wilgy wasn't the person he chose to kill that night?)
Ultimately votes for DDL in the poll for absolutely no stated reason. He has responded to this also but let him do it again. He should have quoted and cited, shame on him for not doing that. He sees the error in his ways and is hence forth a horrible person for not doing so. He could say that he was still warming up to playing mafia again after 2 or 3 years but it has been done and he cannot change the past.
He would also like to note that Wilgy was providing a good amount of comic relief to the forum in an odd way. He would not want to kill someone like that, if he could. If he could kill someone do you think Nero would still be alive since chaindeath had voiced his case on him? Clearly he has no power to do such a thing.

Night2:
Fuzz is lynched. Then:
chaindeath wrote:That was quite a ride. chaindeath is glad that a member of the Police is dead especially when they are of such a powerful role as Surveillance Specialist. Though thinking on this he recalls that there is also an undercover cop running around who could have been the one who was lynched and chose to be seen in that role to save his specialist some heat. He still feels that DDL is acting funky. He hasn't gone through all of the other pages he needs to read because he is tuckered out from trying to catch up on 10+ pages in two hours and not being a terribly fast reader. Sleep well other people of the town. See you all, hopefully, after night 2!
What? No way that the seemer would appear as another cop. That's, like, the worst thing you could do in such an OP role. That's like a hungry dog abstaining from feasting on a roasted chicken placed in his food dish. It ain't happenin, kitty cat. To be fair he has not played with a seemer before. This is how he would think to play it because one could play that hand as it has appeared in the thread that someone is a seemer and still alive in order to have another civi lynched. If that is in no way something that can happen please excuse my naivety.

He backs up his vote for DDL now with the reasoning that DDL is "acting funky"..

Sloonei picks up on the lackluster vote for DDL:
chaindeath wrote:
Sloonei wrote:A peculiar vote in the poll: chaindeath (26) for Dragon D. Luffy. Chain was here, and clearly formed an opinion on a player who was in the thick of things during the CFD and put a vote on him, but he didn't say anything or get involved himself in the Fire Drill. Does he care to explain, chaindeath?
Chaindeath will gladly explain his position, he was on page 38 when he posted his vote. He feels that a vote should be formed based on what a player, himself included, feels at the moment of voting. He also would like to mention that he stated that he was behind on reading and the "Chinese fire drill" voting started later.
Sloonei wrote:Matt is probably my dark horse lynch option, if we're all gonna start throwing names into the Chinese Fire Drill pool.

Linki: I see we have started doing that! And Matt has other takers.
This was is on page 40. He was speed reading after he finished the post and voted but was unable to justify jumping into this "fire drill". Also as another point, he was totally unsure why others were voting for fuzz for most of the time he was reading up on the forum, though it is now evident.

Hope this clears it up for you.

Sloonei for the longest time chaindeath thought that your picture was a stack of pancakes with raspberries piled high on it.
So this is a pretty revealing post. He admits that he is behind on reading the thread, but is caught up enough to see that he didn't want to jump on the fire drill. He said he couldn't "justify" it, which is ironic because he didn't justify or explain his DDL vote at the time.. This reflects his justification in his head vs justification through posts and text thing again. He signed on and saw that all these votes had piled on Fuzz and he resigned to not touch that unless he knew why he was voting for it. At that time DDL seemed like the baddie that he wanted to lynch.

He goes on to say he has several civ reads, but doesn't name them. His attempt at playing close to the chest. If he were "forced " to vote right then, he would vote DDL or SW. No further explanation. Does not vote yet, even though votes are changeable. He'd say this is a pretty moot point. Plans to look at people more closely if he survives the night.

chaindeath wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.
Nero, chaindeath thinks that the posting of pictures kinda makes Ika seem like a townie. There is still a secret roll and with one of the crew members dead from daisy's crew there are 5 other people who could have some other mission assigned by their don. It seems like a bad thing to base a baddie read on since there seems to still be some mystery around in the role pool.
See now Nero is finding ika scummy for saying things like "lynch this already", but chaindeath finds ika's picture posting "townie behavior". I fail to see the correlation there, but what's hypocritical about this is the post chaindeath made in day 2:
chaindeath wrote:
ika wrote:yawn can we lynch this now?
This statement makes chaindeath uncomfortable.
What happened in those 72 hours where 'Picturebooks by ika' build Cred where before chaindeath had the on ika for the exact same thing?At this point he hadn't thought about the loan shark mechanic and he was focused on trying to identify who the crew members were for each team.

Day 3: he reads ika, and maybe Sloonei and indiglo as town. He finds sig and DDL uncomfortable "in the baddie sort of way"
Then he hand picks black rock, serge, zebra and llama as "outliers" he wants to hear more from. Why those 4? He's never before mentioned them in his posts. He's not sure why he would need to mention them in a post prior to wish to hear from them in the present. Had he made a post that was a list or in some way mentioned everyone playing at that time absolved him of this suspicion from you? Also why can others ask for people to give input and not chaindeath? They hadn't posted much and he wanted to hear them talk.

He votes for Nerolunar:
chaindeath wrote:Nerolunar, chaindeath supposes he should thank you. He has looked back through some of the posts where he was mentioned and involved and has gotten some reads. Quite honestly he finds you quite suspect. You claim that he has only posted defensively however, he's tried to figure things out through postings to no avail. He finds it quite interesting that you restated things that he, although perhaps not as explicitly as he should have, days after the fact.

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:49 pm
chaindeath wrote:
ika wrote:yawn can we lynch this now?
This statement makes chaindeath uncomfortable.
Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:42 am
Nerolunar wrote:Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.
Maybe it's a piggy back but to him it seems like a Pingy-back (He tried)

He would also like to state that his initial entry into the game was in a defensive stance since people had voted for chaindeath. Apparently to you, he thinks, not physically having the time to participate is a baddie thing to do. He was out of town with family and to that point he felt his early vote on LC was justified but he didn't want to dwell too long on it. He feels bad saying it but it was more like a "throwaway vote".

Chaindeath would like to conclude with light amount of pingy-ness coming from Scotty also, any interaction with him seems to have been not the friendliest.

D&D night got moved up a day, so he will likely not be on until late or even tomorrow morning
So Nero was fishy because he coincidentally repeated a suspicion chaindeath himself had on ika earlier, and because Nero asserted that chaindeath had done nothing in the game but defend himself.

Chaindeath claims his day 1 vote for LC was justified, (which if I recall was a "he seems off") but then he invalidates that statement by saying it was just a "throwaway vote".

He then tosses in a light suspicion of me, because any interactions we had were "not the friendliest". I mean, this is purely a NO-U suspicion and makes me feel like he would rather I be kissing his feet. Scotty does not kiss feet- that's not the final frontier for Scotty's lips. He expects no feet kissing, he knows where his feet have been and it's really for your safety. Sure he'll give the no-u to you, free of charge. Probably has something to do with coming under fire his response is to come back at you. He still doesn't much care for you and thinks you could be a cop.

Day 4: defends his low post count with quality over quantity (which is a practice I am perfectly fine with and advocate 100%). He said he presented his first case in Nero ping-backing him. Though it wasn't really a case, but it was the most justification he's given for any of his votes thus far, which is an improvement.

He offers me and TH as sending "major baddie vibes" while Nero just makes him uncomfortable, yet that chaindeath "wants to bring attention to him". Llama and zebra are now yellow/orange in chaindeath's proverbial rainbow list.
With sig and Quin, however;:
chaindeath wrote:He feels torn with you two. He would like to say you're both town but could not do so with a clear conscience. He is going to say you're town leaning baddie. Hopefuly he will be able to say otherwise by the end of this day phase.
So he feels more comfortable calling me and TH (who he has never mentioned before in the game as a suspect) baddies, but cannot "in good conscience" say one way or another the same of sig or Quin.

Huh.

Also what does "town leaning baddie" even mean? Friendly neighborhood killer? Cuts my grass by day but probably slaughters children at night? As much fun as cutting grass is that's most certainly not what that means. It's like describing someone as chaotic neutral leaning evil. Townie who would not surprise him if he was a baddie and he'll trust as town but they're on thin ice. If you wish to know his read on Sig and Quin is still town. Quin more so but he doesn't think sig is bad.

For his day 4 vote:
chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath doesn't know how he wants to vote... He needs to do it for the day but all of the people with votes on them feel like they could be town. He's going to stick with his guns and vote Nero because he is sure that he's bad.

He was also questioned about who will be bad if Sig flips bad, he doesn't know. There are too many options for one person's death to tell for sure on any of them. Long post short of Sig flips bad he's bad if he flips good we as a whole messed up and need to do some looming at those who pushed the vote. It doesn't make them bad but more suspect he supposes.

He does need to go for a run today while it's nice out. He may or may not be back for the EoD.
"Doesn't know how he wants to vote" --> "he is sure that [Nero] is bad"
'If sig flips bad, he was bad.' 'If sig flips good, we need to look to the people pushing for his lynch'

Come on man. Like, it's still a better story than the Twilight saga, but that's not exactly a commendation. He can't hate you for your dank memes and tbh he laughed at that one.
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Ok, we're caught up.

What I like about chaindeath is that he often voices his suspicions in his [minimal] posts. What I don't like is that there is really no backing up his suspicions, and they might change from day to day without warning or provocation. They are scattered and have nothing to back them up.

Guys, chaindeath is NOT bad. I think he does have enough substance to go on (thanks for the quality over quantity posts btw. It helps me read you betterAny time babe)

He hopes this helps clear up some things and give you a more clear concept of what it is to be civi chaindeath. If not tell him and he'll write a book if need be. Be warned it will most likely be what he has told you here because that's about all the more there is.

Also vote early, vote often. Right Scotty?

Linki: Let this post resolve then he'll attend to whatever else has happened in the past 40 mins.

#4708

indiglo wrote:For now, I'm putting my vote on ika.

I'm hoping that a close lynch (meaning with several candidates close in vote numbers) won't cause a lot of issues (nervously ), at the same time, we've got all of tomorrow - which if we just count the last hour that's enough time for all of us to change our votes at least 35 times.

He hopes it doesn't happen again.

#4709

Ok, so as far as ISOing Enrique/Boom goes - I still just can't get past the pissiness to get a true read on Enrique. He seems to be oozing with badness as far as I can tell, and I'm not sure if it's coming from the pissiness or actual badness.

I did find these couple of posts from Boom interesting...

Boomslang wrote:Ok, from my very quick overview, looks like Enrique was suicidal and has an ongoing beef with Golden. I am not suicidal, but my engagement is going to be fairly limited due to grad school demands. Still going to try to post daily and make reasonably informed votes.

Boomslang wrote:Argh, gotta get to band practice. Voting Golden to preserve Enrique's thrust and because I don't have an immediate reason not to.

These seem to be contradictory. Someone may have already commented on these, and if it happened, I'm thinking it was Prisoner50. So if that is true, apologies for posting them again.

Now I know the case on Gleam was also built on some contradictions... so I'm not sure how hard to look at these 2 posts. After ISOing, I'll go back to Prisoner50's ISO and see if my thoughts congeal with his/hers.

Also, I am starting to get the mush brain, so may not have a lot more mafia-ing in me tonight.

Chuck · #4710

ika wrote:im saddened by the votes....

at this rate im just gonna move my vote to try to live. while i did have resevatiosna about the warden im too tired to think or fight or anyhitng

This one thinks that ika is resorting to some exasperating measures to try and stay in the game. We believe this could be a tell of insidious origin.

#4711

Sloonei wrote:Hi Boomslang, let's talk about your three posts.
Boomslang wrote:Hey everybody, jumping in at short notice and not knowing particularly what I'm getting myself into. Will try to reach and understanding of Enrique, but there's no way in hell I'm wading through 2350 posts today. Or ever, for that matter :P
Why was your initial instinct upon subbing into this game to come to an understanding of the player you were replacing? Isn't that the one thing about the game you shouldn't need to have to figure out? Why was this your first (and so far, only) point of emphasis?

Boomslang wrote:Ok, from my very quick overview, looks like Enrique was suicidal and has an ongoing beef with Golden. I am not suicidal, but my engagement is going to be fairly limited due to grad school demands. Still going to try to post daily and make reasonably informed votes.
Thank you for that reassurance. Got any thoughts on that Golden beef?

Boomslang wrote:Argh, gotta get to band practice. Voting Golden to preserve Enrique's thrust and because I don't have an immediate reason not to.
Was Enrique onto something? So far you've acknowledged that he had some case on Golden, but not hinted at any of the reasons, either as to why Enrique suspected Golden or why you're going to go ahead and support this as your only move in the game.

Or perhaps it was Sloon that mentioned those posts.

#4712

Prisoner 331347 wrote:
ika wrote:im saddened by the votes....

at this rate im just gonna move my vote to try to live. while i did have resevatiosna about the warden im too tired to think or fight or anyhitng
This one thinks that ika is resorting to some exasperating measures to try and stay in the game. We believe this could be a tell of insidious origin.

*shrugs*

do what you like or think it doesnt mean much to me

#4713

I am off for the night. I can't mafia no more.

I will be home tomorrow all day getting ready for my trip, so should be around. Got some more ISOing to do. Also, just as a reminder, I may not be able to get on at all Sat and Sun due to travel. I may have a bit of chance, but it would only be to quickly try to stay half-way caught up is all. I am not looking forward to the ketchup after being gone that long. But... oh well.

And I'm hoping for more input on that 1 post of DDL's I quoted a bit earlier. Because I was leaning scum on him until I saw that... then that post gave me pause. But then, ok, so like a whole bunch of someone's posts make you lean scum, but then there's 1 that doesn't... so how much power should I even give 1 post that looks town? See, that's one of my problems. I go around in circles thinking too much and get myself all paranoid.

Anyways, goodnight thread, until we meet again.

#4714

indiglo wrote:I am off for the night. I can't mafia no more.

I will be home tomorrow all day getting ready for my trip, so should be around. Got some more ISOing to do. Also, just as a reminder, I may not be able to get on at all Sat and Sun due to travel. I may have a bit of chance, but it would only be to quickly try to stay half-way caught up is all. I am not looking forward to the ketchup after being gone that long. But... oh well.

And I'm hoping for more input on that 1 post of DDL's I quoted a bit earlier. Because I was leaning scum on him until I saw that... then that post gave me pause. But then, ok, so like a whole bunch of someone's posts make you lean scum, but then there's 1 that doesn't... so how much power should I even give 1 post that looks town? See, that's one of my problems. I go around in circles thinking too much and get myself all paranoid.

Anyways, goodnight thread, until we meet again.

Chaindeath is in the same boat. He spent the greater part of the day doing reading for mafia and is burnt like toast. And he too will be gone on sat and Sun. Omg twinzies

good night forum

#4715

Too tired to read things right now, but I just checked the poll before falling asleep. Of the three leading candidates, at the moment I would prefer sig firsf and DDL second. ika is the player I am currently least willing to vote for of the three. I'm leaving my vote on Enrique/Boomslang because I don't want their names to leave the discussion so soon. What reasons exist not to vote for them?

#4716

Omg, may we finally lynch ika?

DDL

Prisoner 509378 · #4717

Sloonei wrote:Too tired to read things right now, but I just checked the poll before falling asleep. Of the three leading candidates, at the moment I would prefer sig firsf and DDL second. ika is the player I am currently least willing to vote for of the three. I'm leaving my vote on Enrique/Boomslang because I don't want their names to leave the discussion so soon. What reasons exist not to vote for them?

Help me understand with sig. From my vantage point it looks like the problem people have with him is his defensiveness of Fuzz during the CFD. Is there more to it? I'm not seeing it, but a few players I read as town are.

Rachel Green · #4718

Boomslang showed up, didn't acknowledge the accusations against him directly, and voted for ika.

Quin, who SVS has said (and whom I trust) is most likely to be bad, has voted ika.

In short, I'll not be voting ika today. This, despite the fact that silver wolf also seems fairly trustworthy to me.

I also don't trust most of the sig bandwagoners including obviously the hated Warden, so that's out.

That leaves me with sticking with Boomslang, joining SVS on Quin which I will do if it will lead to his lynch, or DDL who I will read up on tomorrow.

That so few people see Enrique's posts around the Fuzz lynch as ping-y baffles me. It's clear as day.

#4719

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Too tired to read things right now, but I just checked the poll before falling asleep. Of the three leading candidates, at the moment I would prefer sig firsf and DDL second. ika is the player I am currently least willing to vote for of the three. I'm leaving my vote on Enrique/Boomslang because I don't want their names to leave the discussion so soon. What reasons exist not to vote for them?
Help me understand with sig. From my vantage point it looks like the problem people have with him is his defensiveness of Fuzz during the CFD. Is there more to it? I'm not seeing it, but a few players I read as town are.

I did an iso of sig at one point on day 3... worth a look. Also did one of quin. They aren't amazing, but they do explain how I felt about the pair after.

Prisoner 509378 · #4720

indiglo wrote:Ok, so I found the post of Luffy's that gave me pause on suspecting him. I would love to get some more input on this.

During the CFD of Fuzz, Luffy put up some resistance. Gleam was his first choice (no judgment there ), but after a bit of time he decided to join us in the Fuzz lynch. I went back to read that whole section to get context. At this point, I believe Fuzz and ika were tied. Sloon offered up the option of switching to Matt 1.0. Then, Luffy responded like this:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
sig wrote:Why would mafia Fuzz pop in at endgame and vote Ike unless he was saving Gleam/Epi if this was the case why ditch both those wagons? This is the scummiest CFD since the one I lead to stop me from getting lynched when I was almost confirmed mafia

@Epi he didn't
because he needed to vote, and maybe all three of them are townies and he just wanted to send any one of them to jail.

also i put my vote on Matt. How do we all feel about that?
No.

Godanmit guys, this isn't turbo mafia.

Which is where I'd like interpretations from others. (Maybe even those who have played with him before.) I liked this. Were he a teammate of Fuzz's... would he be more likely to try to get off the wagon and get folks to go elsewhere? Or would he ride it out and risk losing a teammate?

For further context, remember, Fuzz & ika were tied at this point, and when the poll ended (like 20 or 25 minutes after this comment from Luffy) ika actually had MORE votes than Fuzz.

Linkapalooza~

I understand your trepidation, but I don't agree. The basic premise of DDL's content at that point in the game wasn't "don't lynch Fuzz", but rather "don't CFD". This means to me that when Sloonei presented another alternative option (Matt), a baddie DDL would have had no choice but to stick to his prior strategic stance: that moving votes around is inherently a bad idea. Also, imagine the crap he'd be taking now if he had taken Sloonei up on this. The progression would have [potentially, from his mindset] been:

~ Sloonei and numerous others CFD to Fuzz
~ DDL protests the CFD movement of votes
~ Sloonei moves his vote to Matt and asks for feedback
~ DDL suddenly supports that vote movement, away from Fuzz (who was still at real risk of being lynched)
~ Fuzz is lynched and flips bad

This would mean that DDL's strategic stances were inconsistent, and that the only variable in existence to define the inconsistency would be whether or not Fuzz was the target of the moving votes. That would be a bright blinking neon sign that screams in capital letters "I'M FUZZ'S TEAM MATE". I think a baddie DDL is capable enough to grasp that problem and consciously avoid it -- as he would have done by opposing Sloonei's Matt vote. I think it was strategically necessary.

Prisoner 509378 · #4721

Prisoner 920077 wrote:Boomslang showed up, didn't acknowledge the accusations against him directly, and voted for ika.

Quin, who SVS has said (and whom I trust) is most likely to be bad, has voted ika.

In short, I'll not be voting ika today. This, despite the fact that silver wolf also seems fairly trustworthy to me.

I also don't trust most of the sig bandwagoners including obviously the hated Warden, so that's out.

That leaves me with sticking with Boomslang, joining SVS on Quin which I will do if it will lead to his lynch, or DDL who I will read up on tomorrow.

That so few people see Enrique's posts around the Fuzz lynch as ping-y baffles me. It's clear as day.

Right now I'd call Enrislang the second-most suspicious. I could be on board with that lynch too. I'd really like to hear from DDL before EOD, because I do think he has the ability to change minds if he tries and is genuine.

Prisoner 509378 · #4722

I checked out your Day 3 sig ISO, Golden. I'll share some thoughts.

Spoiler: show

I disagree on the interpretation of this sig post. This is the kind of thing I would expect to see from a genuine mindset, from a townie who is perturbed by a mass vote switch (even if illogically so, as pretty much all of the anti-CFD commentary in this game seems to be). He is not only worried about a mafioso being saved, he's worried about a bigger-picture scenario which could lead to the lynch of two townies for the price of one (Fuzz and agleam from his perspective).

One thing that could be influencing me here is what I've observed to be a very frequent trend on The Syndicate. I see more arguments that "someone is being saved!" here than I do anywhere else, it seems to happen every time someone changes a vote. And I believe sig is a common source of that outcry, though I couldn't recall a specific example off-hand.

IRRELEVANT INTERJECTION, BUT I JUST SAW SOMEONE DOUBLE DIP IN THE CHOCOLATE SAUCE AND I AM SO MAD

Spoiler: show

This comment by sig was probably the most suspicious of the ones you referenced, IMO. He's more dismissive of a valid point against Fuzz than I would like.

Spoiler: show

I am less attuned to the climate of Day 2 than you, and I'm not sure how the immediate aftermath should have reflected on Epi and Zebra. I agree that it's odd to name Sloonei as a top suspect after that though. My instincts tell me it's tinfoiling rather than manipulation, but I could be wrong.

Spoiler: show

Not ideal. It'd be a somewhat balls to the wall of him as a Fuzz team mate, but it happens sometimes.

Prisoner 509378 · #4723

Gotta run for now. I'll do a quick little rainbow just for the current five multi-vote wagons:

sig

ika
Quin

Enrique/Boomslang
Dragon D. Luffy

Golf · #4724

Hi. What's new?

Golf · #4725

Matt wrote:Omg, may we finally lynch ika?

DDL

Wasn't your vote on ika before? Yet here you clap his wagon, but move to DDL.

Golf · #4726

Ok, so not much new. Seems I have to look into a few names that are currently main wagons. Five Days worth of ISO are a total bitch, tho.

It also seems most are unpreocuppied with lynching Golden the Warden. Is the Warden not one of the main mafia players to eliminate, hm?

What's the full story of ika being bad, outside the context of the End of Day 2, in which he has almost lynched? Two wagons in which both were bad?

#4727

509, if you get a chance, I'm interested on your thoughts on my feeling on Quin that I did at the same time as the sig one.

Interesting how many of my thoughts on sig are wrapped up in gleam. It's why I was fairly happy with a gleam lynch. Gleam coming back civ makes a number of sig's points look slightly less suspicious than they would be if gleam was bad, imo.

I still think that sig is a baddie lean for me, but its much less strong than it once was.

Operator · #4728

indiglo wrote:
Prisoner 740359 wrote:
indiglo wrote:What has happened so far:
We have been playing an internet game where everyone receives a random role. Even though everyone is friends, some are supposed to kill others, so some arguing and accusations go flying. Some people died, some ended up in prison, some are now free while others are still dead. And voila - it is today.
Homie, that's about as vague as me saying I had food at lunch in prison.
Ooooooh! Food! I just love food for lunch!

It was food only in the most liberal sense.

#4729

Prisoner 740359 wrote:
Matt wrote:Omg, may we finally lynch ika?

DDL
Wasn't your vote on ika before? Yet here you clap his wagon, but move to DDL.

Matt-You've been doing nothing but pushing ika every since his so-called slip and I don't believe you've said a word about DDL. Is your main purpose here just to mess around with town or what?

For those asking I did lay out my points on ika and quoted them again when Indiglo asked. I am not interested in voting DDL and won't be doing that. I won't cry about a sig lynch but I don't think he's bad. Quin seeems o.k. to me too and I don't get the suspicion there.

I will be more than happy to lynch Draconus or Soneji and wouldn't cry over a Boomslang lynch either.

I think scum is lying low and the fact others are not seeing that and looking at those avoiding the main discussion saddens me.

#4730

Silverwolf wrote:
Prisoner 740359 wrote:
Matt wrote:Omg, may we finally lynch ika?

DDL
Wasn't your vote on ika before? Yet here you clap his wagon, but move to DDL.
Matt-You've been doing nothing but pushing ika every since his so-called slip and I don't believe you've said a word about DDL. Is your main purpose here just to mess around with town or what?

For those asking I did lay out my points on ika and quoted them again when Indiglo asked. I am not interested in voting DDL and won't be doing that. I won't cry about a sig lynch but I don't think he's bad. Quin seeems o.k. to me too and I don't get the suspicion there.

I will be more than happy to lynch Draconus or Soneji and wouldn't cry over a Boomslang lynch either.

I think scum is lying low and the fact others are not seeing that and looking at those avoiding the main discussion saddens me.

Wouldn't cry over a Serge lynch either. When I say wouldn't cry over a lynch-I mean I wouldn't object if it happened just in case anyone was wondering.

I'll be gone all day but will get back to this later.

Operator · #4731

Quin wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.
I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.
What do you mean by this?
I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.
But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.
I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.

I don't understand the context of this debate.

From where I'm standing, which is new to the thread and not back reading yet, A2 makes a good point. To a stranger to the thread, your post reads specifically antagonistic toward SVS.

Is there something about how SVS has been playing that caused you to be thus? If so, what was that? If not, would you have asked the same thing of any other player that made the statement she made?

Operator · #4732

Prisoner 740359 wrote:I have to go, I have to visit my family and my mistress. Looks like homie50's got this, he'll share his results with us homies later and then we can contribute to lynchin' some good ol' scum. Hopefully the Warden.

Golden is le annoying.

If I could accomplish one thing, lynching the Warden would be glorious. That jerk put us through hell.

Golden should maybe quit trying to assign prisoners to specific people? Even if he's sure they are who he thinks they are. I can see where Golden might think that his naming of people should be seen as his way of saying hi, but a) some of us are pretty good mimics and b) others of us are pretty sure smart people will figure things out soon enough anyway and c) the temptation to break the rules and confirm or deny might be too great for some of the prisoners. None of the prisoners want another LC type shooting to happen. Our host is

Help us help you. and finally d) since prisoners can neither confirm nor deny AND stay alive (see point c) not talking about prisoner identy when someone names us, leaves us in the position where others are reading us as x player whether we are or not. We can not confirm. We can not deny. And that impression could be false. That prisoner could be manipulating you. And now the thread is going to read prisoner y as player x just because it was suggested. That prisoner you name could be a different prisoner and can't tell you you are wrong. This is a very dangerous road.

#4733

Prisoner 413022 wrote:
Quin wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Since ika was the counterwagon to Fuzz who WAS bad, I find it hard to see him as bad, although I guess anything is possible.
I'd like to see what other suspicions you may or may not actually have.
What do you mean by this?
I mean I'd like to see what suspicions SVS has that are not me.
But that post that S~V~S made that you responded to had nothing to do with you. It seems like you wanted to accuse her of narrow focus at some point today but got impatient waiting for a proper opportunity.
I don't think it needs to be directed at me for me to say things. Would it have looked better if I didn't quote her at all? It really doesn't matter.
I don't understand the context of this debate.

From where I'm standing, which is new to the thread and not back reading yet, A2 makes a good point. To a stranger to the thread, your post reads specifically antagonistic toward SVS.

Is there something about how SVS has been playing that caused you to be thus? If so, what was that? If not, would you have asked the same thing of any other player that made the statement she made?

That's because there was no debate. zebra wanted to be picky about something that does not matter and I replied as such.

As for SVS, I just feel like I have been talking to a brick wall in all my prior 'conversations' with her. If you have a look at mine or her posts, you'll probably get the gist of what I'm talking about. By all means, let SVS discredit that, but I don't want to get into this too much, as I'm probably taking this way too personally and I don't want that to compromise anybody's enjoyment of the game.

#4734

It's not up to you to decide what does and does not matter.

Golf · #4735

Prisoner 413022 wrote:
Prisoner 740359 wrote:I have to go, I have to visit my family and my mistress. Looks like homie50's got this, he'll share his results with us homies later and then we can contribute to lynchin' some good ol' scum. Hopefully the Warden.

Golden is le annoying.
If I could accomplish one thing, lynching the Warden would be glorious. That jerk put us through hell.

Golden should maybe quit trying to assign prisoners to specific people? Even if he's sure they are who he thinks they are. I can see where Golden might think that his naming of people should be seen as his way of saying hi, but a) some of us are pretty good mimics and b) others of us are pretty sure smart people will figure things out soon enough anyway and c) the temptation to break the rules and confirm or deny might be too great for some of the prisoners. None of the prisoners want another LC type shooting to happen. Our host is Help us help you. and finally d) since prisoners can neither confirm nor deny AND stay alive (see point c) not talking about prisoner identy when someone names us, leaves us in the position where others are reading us as x player whether we are or not. We can not confirm. We can not deny. And that impression could be false. That prisoner could be manipulating you. And now the thread is going to read prisoner y as player x just because it was suggested. That prisoner you name could be a different prisoner and can't tell you you are wrong. This is a very dangerous road.

Ex-freaking-actly.

Golden the Warden is le bait man.

Golf · #4736

Is the player Soneji still around or playing or important or... ?

#4737

a2thezebra wrote:It's not up to you to decide what does and does not matter.

In that case, tell me exactly why it mattered whether I posed the question to him through a quote, as opposed to a new post. All you're doing is nitpicking, from my perspective.

Operator · #4738

Epignosis wrote:I have two threads to read tonight and limited time, so:

Dear prisoners:

I am most suspicious of sig because of his frantic defense of Fuzz, his willingness to allege anybody and everybody, and accusing people for doing or saying things he himself has done and said.

I am second most suspicious of DDL, mainly because after gleam got lynched, DDL acted as though sig's lynch was a foregone conclusion.

I would like your criminal expertise in this, because I'm voting one of these bee-yotches.

Sincerely,

Piper Chapman.

Dear Blondy,

I need a little more info. I've been in solitary along time. You say sig accuses people of doing or saying things he himself has said or done. Where did this happen? If I follow just what you've told me and I play the metaphor, at this moment sig is Crazy Eyes.

Your secondary suspicion of DDL feels at the surface like it has more meat. Find it and bring it to me and I will cook it and make a fantastic dinner.

Prove it or loose it,
RED.

Operator · #4739

Prisoner 813142 wrote:"Linki:" judge. Why do these frickin' smartphones have a tendency to make you look and feel stupid?

because they are not smart? Or because the phrase "smart phone" is somehow ironic in ways I am too old to understand?

Operator · #4740

a2thezebra wrote:
Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I am most suspicious of sig because of his frantic defense of Fuzz, his willingness to allege anybody and everybody, and accusing people for doing or saying things he himself has done and said.
Is a frantic defense of a baddie typical baddie behavior? Is it typical of sig? This is an easy accusation to render. Is there a specific moment that pinged you strongly enough to shed the doubts associated with this kind of read (suspecting a player for defending a baddie)?

Epi's reason for being suspicious of sig is everyone's reason for being suspicious of sig. Which would be fine if it was just Epi and a few others that suspect him, however many, many suspect him. I refuse to believe that so many people suspect a player for defending a baddie and being a hypocrite. Neither of those are alignment-indicative and more people should know that than what has been seen.[/quote]

I think the end tag here should maybe be ...especially with Sig.

The guy who always gets mislynched.

Or is the issue that he *hasn't* been lynched yet so this time his weirdness must make him bad?

#4741

Silverwolf wrote: Wouldn't cry over a Serge lynch either. When I say wouldn't cry over a lynch-I mean I wouldn't object if it happened just in case anyone was wondering.

I'll be gone all day but will get back to this later.

Serge is probably bad, so I agree with you here.
I'm a little puzzled over the switch from Sig to Ika today. I don't have a strong read on Ika one way or the other, but overall, I'm pretty pleased with how the lynch votes are stacking up. I may get my dragon scalp yet.

#4742

Posting so I can find where I left off.

Operator · #4743

Golden wrote:Oh great, the prisoners are going to break out and lynch me.

Fucking fantastic.

There is literally zero doubt I'm on my civilian game for anyone who wants to even try thinking about it half-assed. Everyone who knows me knows it.

I would need proof that you were the worst of the worst warden before I ever voted here. So far, I've just seen accusations without proof.

Operator · #4744

Prisoner 277058 wrote:
Golden wrote:If the 14 of you actually account for 14 votes, that would be massively unbalanced. I'm guessing that you don't.
In prison this would count as disrespect, and me and my boys would find you in the mess hall brother.

meh - let the kid go. We on the outside now. Dem rulz be different homes.

I think I agree with our boy who said let them do the heavy lifting.

They are so eager for us to go read 100 pages but can't be bothered to do the work they've been around for to help the strangers out.

Operator · #4745

Epignosis wrote:
Golden wrote:If the 14 of you actually account for 14 votes, that would be massively unbalanced. I'm guessing that you don't.
Have you met MovingPictures07 before?

Host =

Operator · #4746

thellama73 wrote:Hey prisoners, welcome! Want to help me lynch Dragon?

why?

#4747

Prisoner 509378 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Too tired to read things right now, but I just checked the poll before falling asleep. Of the three leading candidates, at the moment I would prefer sig firsf and DDL second. ika is the player I am currently least willing to vote for of the three. I'm leaving my vote on Enrique/Boomslang because I don't want their names to leave the discussion so soon. What reasons exist not to vote for them?
Help me understand with sig. From my vantage point it looks like the problem people have with him is his defensiveness of Fuzz during the CFD. Is there more to it? I'm not seeing it, but a few players I read as town are.

For me it was more about the day following the CFD, when he spent a good amount of energy defending himself by just OMGUSing every suspicion that was thrown his way, it seemed. At the time it struck me as a scum player who knew he was getting lynched and didn't want to leave any clues when his role flipped. I admit he's started to look better at points since then.
Earlier he also seemed to be using his frequent early lynched as a defense as well, which was something thay caught my attention. To be fair, others were doing it as well, but for any player to hide behind something like thay is at least a littly pingworthy.

#4748

Why should I vote Dragon over Boomslang?

Operator · #4749

Turnip Head wrote:I don't think these prisoners escaped. I think we joined them, and now we're all in Hell.

Someone smarter than me said "hell is other people."

I'm pretty sure that cat didn't spend 5 days in solitary. You know what I've learned? You create your own hell.

Operator · #4750

thellama73 wrote:I for one welcome our jailbird colleagues and invite them to join me in a drink.

I welcome people who welcome me.

It's over! Would you play a sequel?