[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Prisoner 509378]

I don't think Epignosis will be or should be lynched today. So advancing from that, I'll explore other avenues. chaindeath remains a huge suspect at least until he has responded to my prior question. Boomslang's self-preservation vote yesterday reeked of "I don't care", in a way that suggests he is just hanging on for his team mates' sake. If the crowd wants him dead, I'm game.

[Prisoner 509378]

This really does boil down to whether you believe Ika is the seemer.

I don't. Is your head spinning yet?

I also wouldn't have defended Fuzz nearly as much if I was mafia :P

That's the basis of the argument for and against you in a nutshell. WOULD HE OR WOULDN'T HE? Your recent gripes at me smell like someone who really believed in ika as a seemer though.

[Prisoner 509378]

Re: Silverwolf; I interpreted her reaction as Silverwolf believing that ika had to be bad, and suspecting that he had perhaps set himself up to look like the stool pigeon in preparation for his fale flip as the seemer. So, just speculation. I am not reading into her death as a sign that she had to be right or onto something.

I pretty much agree with this. I don't think that she was killed because she was right or wrong about something. I think it was because to the majority of players she was a confirmed civ.

I'm about to surpass your post count. Rate my mental health on a scale of 1-100.

[Epignosis]

All right, I've made up a game.

If you are on right now.

You have a lynch switch. You have to use it now.

Go.

[sig]

This really does boil down to whether you believe Ika is the seemer.

I don't. Is your head spinning yet?

I also wouldn't have defended Fuzz nearly as much if I was mafia :P

That's the basis of the argument for and against you in a nutshell. WOULD HE OR WOULDN'T HE? Your recent gripes at me smell like someone who really believed in ika as a seemer though.

Ika is the seemer, I'm almost certain of that. How am I griping?

I'd be down with a Boom lynch.

Lynch SIG! SWITCH IT TO SIG. Idk don';t see the point in this.

[Prisoner 509378]

Idk don';t see the point in this.

Do it anyway.

[Prisoner 509378]

The only reason I'm not answering is so the less trustworthy punks can't just take my answer as their own.

[sig]

I don't feel like it, Epi doesn't do rainbow lists or GTH why should I play his games?

I'd either lynch Epi or boom it would be a toss up.

[Prisoner 509378]

chaindeath

Answer my question and maybe I'll go away, chain.

[Prisoner 509378]

Ika is the seemer, I'm almost certain of that.

Based on what?

[Quin]

No one is going to lynch you and you get to vote. In terms of kills (or arrests), you are a free square.

Agreed. Baddies might be concerned that killing me is impossible though, because I am a unique game mechanic made human and who knows what that implies.

Separate question. Do you think ika was the seemer?

Nope. Still don't.

You would have two Mafia lined up nice and pretty for the Day 2 lynch. One of them is a useful role at Night, the surveillance specialist. The other is a useful role during the Day, the seemer. So ika the seemer lynches Fuzz the surveillance guy with borrowed votes?

That's too much for me to believe.

I actually considered for a moment that SW might have the role ika flipped as, but her initial reaction to the lynch would seem to reject that theory.

I have "reasons" for thinking ika is the seemer.

I still don't think she's right about ika.

If ika was lynched on Day 2, do you think Fuzz would have survived Day 3?

I do. Has the runner up in any lynch gotten lynched the next Day phase?

Why does that matter? Are you saying that nobody would want to lynch Fuzz because he was the runner up the day before? You aren't considering the individual circumstances.

[Epignosis]

No one is going to lynch you and you get to vote. In terms of kills (or arrests), you are a free square.

Agreed. Baddies might be concerned that killing me is impossible though, because I am a unique game mechanic made human and who knows what that implies.

Separate question. Do you think ika was the seemer?

Nope. Still don't.

You would have two Mafia lined up nice and pretty for the Day 2 lynch. One of them is a useful role at Night, the surveillance specialist. The other is a useful role during the Day, the seemer. So ika the seemer lynches Fuzz the surveillance guy with borrowed votes?

That's too much for me to believe.

I actually considered for a moment that SW might have the role ika flipped as, but her initial reaction to the lynch would seem to reject that theory.

I have "reasons" for thinking ika is the seemer.

I still don't think she's right about ika.

If ika was lynched on Day 2, do you think Fuzz would have survived Day 3?

I do. Has the runner up in any lynch gotten lynched the next Day phase?

Why does that matter? Are you saying that nobody would want to lynch Fuzz because he was the runner up the day before? You aren't considering the individual circumstances.

You asked me what I think. I told you what I think.

It matters because that's what I've seen happen over and over again.

[sig]

Ika is the seemer, I'm almost certain of that.

Based on what?

Because reasons.




a few points.
1, He was super scummy
2. SW thought he was 100% mafia
3. SW thinks he is seemer
4. SW is killed
5. he acted like a super emotional mafia
6. Stool pigeon is a role that the seemer would be more likely to use.
7. Why would SW be so sure, I think she was the role he flipped as.

[Sloonei]

Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

[indiglo]

Okay now that I've sufficiently poked Epi, I'm going to pose a question to everyone:

Sigh................

I have one little thing that concerns me about this...................

Nah, probs just being paranoid.

I'm sorry ika.....................

Sigh................

I have one little thing that concerns me about this...................

Just one?

Yes

The highlighted bit seems to immediately eliminate the possibility that Silverwolf could have information that implies/confirms ika is the seemer. If there's even an implication then that admission of probable paranoia would have never happened, right?

So when we return to this later thing:

I actually considered for a moment that SW might have the role ika flipped as, but her initial reaction to the lynch would seem to reject that theory.

I have "reasons" for thinking ika is the seemer.

How seriously should we take those freaking quotation marks? It's designed to look like a role hint or an infodump, but I don't know what it could be based on the roles at hand. If Silverwolf was the actual role that ika flipped, then she would have never doubted herself for a moment.

My take? We should not take those freaking quotation marks very seriously. But that's just my take on SW. When she gets going, it seems like she'll flip flop to extremes, get real upset and state some wacky ideas as fact.

That being said, I do not know this woman from Adam's cat. This is my first mafia experience with her. She is extremely intense and gets riled up on a regular basis. I have had a hard time making sense (or believing) very much of anything she's said. Not saying that to be rude or mean, it's just when you're going back and forth and flinging mud everywhere with great conviction... I tend to just write the whole thing off.

[indiglo]

Replying as I catch up...

All right, I've made up a game.

If you are on right now.

You have a lynch switch. You have to use it now.

Go.

I wait until the last 30 minutes of the Day Phase. Then I use it.

[Epignosis]

Seems like we're divided today.

[indiglo]

Seems like we're divided today.

It's shocking, isn't it?




And look at that, I'm caught up! Hooray!

[sig]

Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

[Scotty]

Seems like we're divided today.

What changed from yesterday? Boom was on the chopping block, he seemed like the one that garnered the votes from the civ core. The only info we got was that silver may or may not have info.

I mean if the group ends up favoring another by tomorrow (end of phase) I'll vote there, but I'm just awfully curious why we don't just effing lynch something together for once.

Question for anyone: who can NOT get behind a Boom vote with conviction?

[Epignosis]

Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

I would pick hitman and draw out a hitman. A civilian who can kill is a dangerous civilian. Flip as a hitman, and wait for somebody to contest it, and then arrest. That's what I would do.

[Epignosis]

Seems like we're divided today.

What changed from yesterday? Boom was on the chopping block, he seemed like the one that garnered the votes from the civ core. The only info we got was that silver may or may not have info.

I mean if the group ends up favoring another by tomorrow (end of phase) I'll vote there, but I'm just awfully curious why we don't just effing lynch something together for once.

Question for anyone: who can NOT get behind a Boom vote with conviction?

Are you asking me what changed? I don't know.

I think chaindeath made a clumsy move. That's why he has my vote.

[Sloonei]

I don't think we're divided. At least not in a messy, bad kind of way. We've got a core group of suspects that we're deciding between. These votes will start coming together soon enough.

[sig]

Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

I would pick hitman and draw out a hitman. A civilian who can kill is a dangerous civilian. Flip as a hitman, and wait for somebody to contest it, and then arrest. That's what I would do.

Contesting would be against the rules though wouldn't it?
Also as off right know the hitmen have done more damage to the civs then the mafia. So while I see your point and it could be true, I don't think getting to deep into who the seemer might have flipped as should be done. I will stand by my claim that Ika is the seemer though.

So Chain switched off of Ika to back onto Ika right?

[Quin]

Voted chaindeath pending his answer the 509's question and what 509 has to say about it.

[indiglo]

Seems like we're divided today.

What changed from yesterday? Boom was on the chopping block, he seemed like the one that garnered the votes from the civ core. The only info we got was that silver may or may not have info.

I mean if the group ends up favoring another by tomorrow (end of phase) I'll vote there, but I'm just awfully curious why we don't just effing lynch something together for once.

Question for anyone: who can NOT get behind a Boom vote with conviction?

I can get behind Boom, yes. I'd prefer TH atm, but if consensus says Boom, I'm fine going there. I thought we did very well yesterday - I just think some stinkers (cops) got in there and jacked with us.

I don't feel I could vote Chain with conviction though, at least not at this point.

[indiglo]

Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

There are WAY more civs without BTSC than with. So I really don't understand this comment. I'll just add it to the tally of things sig has said that I find strange, confusing or that just plain don't make sense to me.

[Prisoner 509378]

I don't think we're divided. At least not in a messy, bad kind of way. We've got a core group of suspects that we're deciding between. These votes will start coming together soon enough.

Yep. We'll consolidate our votes y'all, it's not a concern. We don't have to all just pile on one person right away and then wait around for the day phase to end, that would be a huge waste of time. Before we come together we have the opportunity to explore our cases and reads and that's what we're doing.

chaindeath get in here FFS.

[thellama73]

Well, call me crazy, but I still think It's Quin.

Prisoner, note that Epignosis, whom you suspect, and Quin, whom I suspect, are both voting for chaindeath. Classic scapegoatery.

[Prisoner 509378]

a few points.
1, He was super scummy
2. SW thought he was 100% mafia
3. SW thinks he is seemer
4. SW is killed
5. he acted like a super emotional mafia
6. Stool pigeon is a role that the seemer would be more likely to use.
7. Why would SW be so sure, I think she was the role he flipped as.

1. I disagree.
2. She only said that because I asked her to say that.
3. "Thinks" being the operative term
4. She was.
5. I disagree. I saw a super emotional townie.
6. I think it's an arbitrary choice, but could be.
7. She expressed clear doubts about him being the seemer at first and even called herself paranoid. If she has the role that he flipped, then it makes no sense for her to ever have doubted it.
8. Now I know you 're not that role either.

[Prisoner 509378]

Well, call me crazy, but I still think It's Quin.

Prisoner, note that Epignosis, whom you suspect, and Quin, whom I suspect, are both voting for chaindeath. Classic scapegoatery.

I don't suspect Epignosis. I poked him.

Please illustrate the early game near-lynch scenario you referenced that makes you feel chaindeath is a scapegoat.

[thellama73]

Please illustrate the early game near-lynch scenario you referenced that makes you feel chaindeath is a scapegoat.

This string of posts/votes looked suspicious to me, and were largely based on the fact that he hadn't checked in yet, which is not na terribly good predictor of baddieness. They all came within two hours of each other.

Spoiler: show

@SVS Zodiac meta reasons

See I disagree with this, she was inactive in Zodiac and I don't think it has anything to do with alignment. Can you explain to me why you think she is showing this meta a bit more?


@Nero did you role mafia again? I mean 3/3 would be a bit odd.

chaindeath Current thoughts?

Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Everyone except Chaindeath.

He is lurking, but no posts yet.

Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Everyone except Chaindeath.

He is lurking, but no posts yet.

Oh! Damn, I missed him. Good catch!

Voting chaindeath

He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con

This looks somewhat sheepish to me.

Why does typing mistakes and then apologising for it indicate baddie alignment? Chain I would like you to explain too. I see nothing scummy in LC´s behavior so far.

[Nerolunar]

Voted for chaindeath and then immediately changed to Boomslang. I want to hear from both of them. I will support a lynch of either of them today, barring something unexpected.

Me too. They are my biggest scum reads right now.

Why is your first post in 8 hours 5 minutes after the night post?

Yes. My reads have been them for a while now and none of the discussion that has been going on has changed that.

Voted for chaindeath and then immediately changed to Boomslang. I want to hear from both of them. I will support a lynch of either of them today, barring something unexpected.

Me too. They are my biggest scum reads right now.

Who's your #3 read?

Sig.

Chaindeath

[Epignosis]

Please illustrate the early game near-lynch scenario you referenced that makes you feel chaindeath is a scapegoat.

This string of posts/votes looked suspicious to me, and were largely based on the fact that he hadn't checked in yet, which is not na terribly good predictor of baddieness. They all came within two hours of each other.

Spoiler: show

@SVS Zodiac meta reasons

See I disagree with this, she was inactive in Zodiac and I don't think it has anything to do with alignment. Can you explain to me why you think she is showing this meta a bit more?


@Nero did you role mafia again? I mean 3/3 would be a bit odd.

chaindeath Current thoughts?

Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Everyone except Chaindeath.

He is lurking, but no posts yet.

Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Everyone except Chaindeath.

He is lurking, but no posts yet.

Oh! Damn, I missed him. Good catch!

Voting chaindeath

He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con

This looks somewhat sheepish to me.

Why does typing mistakes and then apologising for it indicate baddie alignment? Chain I would like you to explain too. I see nothing scummy in LC´s behavior so far.

What's your assessment of chaindeath's vote for ika?

[Prisoner 509378]

I find it unlikely llama takes this stand as a baddie regardless of chaindeath's alignment.

I'm going to be mad if I have to answer chain's question for him.

[Scotty]

Please illustrate the early game near-lynch scenario you referenced that makes you feel chaindeath is a scapegoat.

This string of posts/votes looked suspicious to me, and were largely based on the fact that he hadn't checked in yet, which is not na terribly good predictor of baddieness. They all came within two hours of each other.

Spoiler: show

@SVS Zodiac meta reasons

See I disagree with this, she was inactive in Zodiac and I don't think it has anything to do with alignment. Can you explain to me why you think she is showing this meta a bit more?


@Nero did you role mafia again? I mean 3/3 would be a bit odd.

chaindeath Current thoughts?

Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Everyone except Chaindeath.

He is lurking, but no posts yet.

Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Everyone except Chaindeath.

He is lurking, but no posts yet.

Oh! Damn, I missed him. Good catch!

Voting chaindeath

He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con

This looks somewhat sheepish to me.

Why does typing mistakes and then apologising for it indicate baddie alignment? Chain I would like you to explain too. I see nothing scummy in LC´s behavior so far.

This was Day 1, where we had no info. Scapegoating? Hardly.
Also, are you saying I am suspicious for my vote then, llama?

I find it unlikely llama takes this stand as a baddie regardless of chaindeath's alignment.

I'm going to be mad if I have to answer chain's question for him.

Keep in mind he did the same thing for DDL until we lynched him.

[Prisoner 509378]

I'm going to be mad if I have to answer chain's question for him.

Keep in mind he did the same thing for DDL until we lynched him.[/quote]

He pursued the lynch of DDL. He's trying to prevent the lynch of chaindeath. If chaindeath is lynchbait, then badllama would probably want to take advantage of that and contribute to his destruction. If chaindeath is his baddie team mate, then llama has no reason that I find probable (being in a pretty safe and uncontested position as he is) to put the brakes on it. The cops have a significant lead already.

I could be wrong, but llama's playstyle makes him rather inscrutable so one has to try.

[Sloonei]

Voted for chaindeath and then immediately changed to Boomslang. I want to hear from both of them. I will support a lynch of either of them today, barring something unexpected.

Me too. They are my biggest scum reads right now.

Why is your first post in 8 hours 5 minutes after the night post?

Yes. My reads have been them for a while now and none of the discussion that has been going on has changed that.

Voted for chaindeath and then immediately changed to Boomslang. I want to hear from both of them. I will support a lynch of either of them today, barring something unexpected.

Me too. They are my biggest scum reads right now.

Who's your #3 read?

Sig.

Chaindeath

You did not answer the Prisoner's question.

Also why sig?

[Sloonei]

I feel most confident about Boomslang's badness right now, so I am most inclined to vote for him. After that it is a toss up between Turnip and chaindeath.

[Prisoner 509378]

I feel most confident about Boomslang's badness right now, so I am most inclined to vote for him. After that it is a toss up between Turnip and chaindeath.

I'm good with any of the three when the wave starts to move.

[Sloonei]

Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

I would pick hitman and draw out a hitman. A civilian who can kill is a dangerous civilian. Flip as a hitman, and wait for somebody to contest it, and then arrest. That's what I would do.

Contesting would be against the rules though wouldn't it?
Also as off right know the hitmen have done more damage to the civs then the mafia. So while I see your point and it could be true, I don't think getting to deep into who the seemer might have flipped as should be done. I will stand by my claim that Ika is the seemer though.

So Chain switched off of Ika to back onto Ika right?

What are you basing this claim on? I am counting a total of 1 hitman kill, compared to like 7 cop arrests/kills.

[Scotty]

I feel most confident about Boomslang's badness right now, so I am most inclined to vote for him. After that it is a toss up between Turnip and chaindeath.

100% agreement with this.

I'm going to be mad if I have to answer chain's question for him.

Keep in mind he did the same thing for DDL until we lynched him.

He pursued the lynch of DDL. He's trying to prevent the lynch of chaindeath. If chaindeath is lynchbait, then badllama would probably want to take advantage of that and contribute to his destruction. If chaindeath is his baddie team mate, then llama has no reason that I find probable (being in a pretty safe and uncontested position as he is) to put the brakes on it. The cops have a significant lead already.

I could be wrong, but llama's playstyle makes him rather inscrutable so one has to try.[/quote]
Yes, but I was referring more to Quin. His eyes have been locked on Quin since the DDL lynch, almost as much as I have, and you could look at that as civ behavior, but as someone said recently, llama does this regardless of his alignment. I want to give llama the BOTD here since I share the same Quin suspicion, and am not 100% on chaindeath. He would be my #3 behind Boom and Quin.

Linki @sloonei and then there's sig, flicking boogers under the sofa

[Nerolunar]

Prisoner Im not sure I understand the question. I also slept and have been doing other things if you need more reasons. I have been checking in regularly but swiftly and didn´t find anything that I would like to comment on. Chaindeath seems to be our lynch for today and if not him then Boomslang,and Im fine with either.

[Prisoner 509378]

Prisoner Im not sure I understand the question. I also slept and have been doing other things if you need more reasons. I have been checking in regularly but swiftly and didn´t find anything that I would like to comment on. Chaindeath seems to be our lynch for today and if not him then Boomslang,and Im fine with either.

Keep checking in. There is likely to be vote movement.

[sig]

Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

I would pick hitman and draw out a hitman. A civilian who can kill is a dangerous civilian. Flip as a hitman, and wait for somebody to contest it, and then arrest. That's what I would do.

Contesting would be against the rules though wouldn't it?
Also as off right know the hitmen have done more damage to the civs then the mafia. So while I see your point and it could be true, I don't think getting to deep into who the seemer might have flipped as should be done. I will stand by my claim that Ika is the seemer though.

So Chain switched off of Ika to back onto Ika right?

What are you basing this claim on? I am counting a total of 1 hitman kill, compared to like 7 cop arrests/kills.

So Epi said if he was the seemer he would flip as the hitman, drawing out the hitman so the mafia could kill them. He said this since a town with a kill power is more dangerous to the mafia. I disagree, I think a town vig can be more dangerous to the town then they would be to the mafia. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Epignosis]

Those 7 points were actually 3 points. I took Silverwolf's "100% sure" remarks to be in response to the thread imploring her to make that claim for the sake of sig's reaction. I don't think her read on ika is infallible, and I am able to believe a scenario where ika was what his role flip says he was.

What makes you say the stool pigeon is a role the seemer would choose?

One of the few without BTSC.

I would pick hitman and draw out a hitman. A civilian who can kill is a dangerous civilian. Flip as a hitman, and wait for somebody to contest it, and then arrest. That's what I would do.

Contesting would be against the rules though wouldn't it?
Also as off right know the hitmen have done more damage to the civs then the mafia. So while I see your point and it could be true, I don't think getting to deep into who the seemer might have flipped as should be done. I will stand by my claim that Ika is the seemer though.

So Chain switched off of Ika to back onto Ika right?

What are you basing this claim on? I am counting a total of 1 hitman kill, compared to like 7 cop arrests/kills.

So Epi said if he was the seemer he would flip as the hitman, drawing out the hitman so the mafia could kill them. He said this since a town with a kill power is more dangerous to the mafia. I disagree, I think a town vig can be more dangerous to the town then they would be to the mafia. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Only because of ratios. By the same thinking, lynches can be more dangerous to civilians than the Mafia.

[Sloonei]

@ sig: But that's not how you phrased it at all. You went as far as to say "as of right now...", which strongly implies that you are referring to things specific to the prior night phases in This Game. Also that role is less of a risk to townies in this game because it requires unanimous and anonymous support from multiple town players in order to perform a kill. It's not like it's just a lone townie making kills every night. Two townies have to agree on a target without even knowing each other's identities. I don't think the hitmen pose much of a risk/threat to the town. If they did, we'd have more than one townie dead at their hands.

I am confused about your response to my question. It does not even come close to matching your original statement. Why the inconsistency?

[Nerolunar]

Prisoner Im not sure I understand the question. I also slept and have been doing other things if you need more reasons. I have been checking in regularly but swiftly and didn´t find anything that I would like to comment on. Chaindeath seems to be our lynch for today and if not him then Boomslang,and Im fine with either.

Keep checking in. There is likely to be vote movement.

Oh I will.

[Sloonei]

If anyone is able to do such a thing, could we all post a ranked list of suspects in order of lynch priority today?

For me it's:
1. Boomslang
2. Turnip Head
3. chaindeath

...
4. sig
5. Quin

[Sloonei]

My distinction between chain and turnip is pretty arbitrary. I put TH ahead because he's been more vocal and putting two quiet players ahead of him felt weak. My desire to vote for each of them is the same.