[END] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts

[Sloonei]

If I turn my tunnel vision on, I can see Serge's preoccupation with Fuzz being lynched instead of ika being a sign that he was discouraged by the lynch result, and that discouragement manifested itself in expressed confusion in the thread. Only a cop would be discouraged by that result.

[sig]

DDL seemed to put alot of work into a secret role if he was a seemer? If anything Matt was the seemer. However, I stand by my view that Ika was the seemer and SW was arrested since she would've pushed Ika as seemer thing.

Epi

[Scotty]

Also, getting the rest of you folks to talk about Soneji has been like pulling teeth. Only S~V~S seems to have acknowledged him at all. He and I have had a lengthy exchange recently, and he has put up a couple of cases against Epignosis. I want to know what other people think of his contributions of late -- his post count is low, but I've at least been successful in charging a little emotion into his stuff and maybe that will help people to get a more conclusive read. Talk to me.

He is bad, imo. He was really blendy before so I had no real opinion of him & only defaulted to bad. I could not remember a single thing he said

But his recent responses to questions leave me feeling a more concrete reason to suspect him.

Linki, yeah, I kind of agree with Sloonei re TH, but have no credible alternative to Occams razor, that would demonstrate that he isn't a civ. And the razor says he is. Especially with Boomslang, THs alternative in the lynch TH survived, being lynched and not surviving.

I would prefer to lynch Nero before chaindeath as well. I'd rather lynch Scotty before both of them, though.

linki: woo! I'm alive!

Well, then you are my guy.

Scotty

All right, trigger finger. Where the hell did this come from? So Soneji is bad, but you're willing to throw caution to the wind for me after having no real problems with me all game? I understand Quin wants me dead because he is bad, but the reason I even brought you up in the first place is because this: down the line I reassessed why I and other town-looking people hadn't been killed yet. And the town perspective as a whole has had you dancing in Disneyland this entire time, and it made me wonder why no one had killed you. Don't you think that deserves some scrutiny? It's not about me painting you or whatever.

Could one of Scotty's newest opponents give me some direction? I'm not vehemently opposed to the notion that he's a cop, but I haven't paid him as close attention as many others and I am a bit lost right now with regards to this stark change in climate.

If nothing else I'm willing to play follower with the core I trust, but a little guidance would help (if it doesn't expose anyone).

I will pull quotes in the AM, but really, it's my gut. That is how I play. He *feels* to me the same as he did in LOST: Again. Where he mostly posted fluff and was Mr Feelgood, all OT happy happy. Then, when most people thought I was civ, he started making pokes towards me.And they did not *feel* sincere, like they did not feel sincere here. His whole "Well, we gree too much so you must be bad heh heh" felt incredibly forced to me. Just like he did in LOST Again.

Plus with his crazy travel stuff, he would fit Epis profile. But more than anything, he just feesl superbad to me.

Revoting Scotty

Linki, WTF? Why would I toast Fuzz like that? That would be a bitch move.

Just like your gut reads that Soneji is bad? But whatever.

Pulling incomplete meta out of a hat again, SVS. I don't have a baddie game. People see what they want to see. Look at my civ games (which is most of them). Was I not a little off the wall in those too? This is major WIFOM but I do that shit regardless of my alignment.

I've been pointing out that we have very similar suspicions all game. Could be coincidental, but since I had been viewing you as civ the entire time, my reads felt that much more informed and confident.

Roasting me for my travel is I guess a pertinent reason. But you're just seeing what you want to see. I ain't no warden.

I want to view you as civ. I really do. But I can't help but think you're leading a charge against me as a diversion. You'd rather me out before chaindeath? Like, really? Chaindeath. Let's say hypothetically that I were bad. You think I look worse than chaindeath? I think Boom looked worse than chaindeath, so I really don't want you to make the same mistake about me or lump me into a crowd that should be dying because of how fishy they have played all game, not a sudden tunnel realization

I don't know a lot in this game but I know there are several better options out there than me.

[Scotty]

Also I am not saying chaindeath is the best lynch option today. He might be, who knows. But I'm saying that there are more suspicious people that deserve a vote before me. Honestly. And if you can actually build a case against me besides "he's acting fishy" or "null" or "I can't remember a thing he has said" look through my posts and give me something to respond to. I think I have been very forthright this game and have had a case of SilverWolf coming where I feel like I'm not even being considered in my views.

[Scotty]

DDL seemed to put alot of work into a secret role if he was a seemer? If anything Matt was the seemer. However, I stand by my view that Ika was the seemer and SW was arrested since she would've pushed Ika as seemer thing.

Epi

I've explained in butchered fragments why I think DDL was the seemer.

Let's do a little game, sig.. Make up a secret role for this game. With as much breadth and imagination as you find fit. Got it? Good, now be a seemer and die. TA-DA

Unless someone else wants to explain to me why a Muppet invade my personality for a day. Someone has a sick sense of humor and I logically am confounded at why I was the only one affected by this. And
No one seems to believe it wasn't my idea.

[sig]

I'd want to flip as an elephant can I be an elephant! AAAAAAAAAAA GREATTTTTTTTT big green elephant with ten eyes, seven tongues, one tusk, with purple and blue stripes, who poops out golden bars with a picture of a hippo on it, and only eats whip cream and pretzels. He'd also have a top hat and a cane aand he'd wear a checkered orange and blue suit, and little tiny shoes that are white and gray.

[Scotty]

I'd want to flip as an elephant can I be an elephant! AAAAAAAAAAA GREATTTTTTTTT big green elephant with ten eyes, seven tongues, one tusk, with purple and blue stripes, who poops out golden bars with a picture of a hippo on it, and only eats whip cream and pretzels. He'd also have a top hat and a cane aand he'd wear a checkered orange and blue suit, and little tiny shoes that are white and gray.

I...I would love for that to have flipped in the secret role space actually.

You win.

[Quin]

Whether they are dead, arrested or alive, Scotty; I want to know who your top three town reads were IN ORDER

[Scotty]

Whether they are dead, arrested or alive, Scotty; I want to know who your top three town reads were IN ORDER

Typical cop interrogation tactic. Is this good cop Quin or bad cap Quin?

Ok. Since you didn't specify, here's in order of least vowels in their name to greatest:
1. Prisoner
2. Sloonei
3. Turnip Head

[Scotty]

But here's the weird part. Only dons are immune to night killing [that we know of]. But there have been like 4 different failed kill attempts. So either the police chief is Dory and keeps trying to kill the Dons, or something else is at play. Secret role maybe?

[Quin]

Stool pigeons.

Is that a serious answer, Scotty?

[Epignosis]

1. That he was avoiding participating in the current discussion by acting as if he wasn't up to date with the thread. Something he did while also presenting himself as being able to solve the current dilemma.

Please show me a specific example of "something he did while also presenting himself as being able to solve the current dilemma". I can't make any use of these assertions thrown into your post without a reference to what you're talking about.

You provided an example yourself:

I wish I understood what this plan was so I could go ahead and tell you all how foolish it is.

He said this in regards to the traitor discussion on D1. Acts as if he doesn't know what the plan was while also assuming that its foolish somehow, despite not knowing what the plan entailed.

I love it when people who don't know me think they do.

He also implied that he had the ability to take apart my argument on him yet refrained from doing so.

What argument on me?

2. That he would subtly throw suspicion on players without directly accusing them, like ge did with gleam in the post you quoted.

Are you referring to the post in which Epignosis voted for agleam? How is that subtle? He prodded a player who hadn't posted much to that point, and once he had some content to work with he moved away from that -- he even defended agleam when that bandwagon started to mount.

No I'm not referring to the post in which he prodded gleam and as it was a vote just to prod its irrelevant to him bringing up how fast gleam supposedly responded to his prod, then acting as if he wasn't implying anything by that. That was an indirect accusation.

Spoiler: show

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

I'm taking my vote off Long Con. I wouldn't want anyone to think that I suspect him.

agleaminranks, come say something.

Hiii, I'm trying to catch up on the posts so far. I didn't get a chance to read through it yet because I just started my new job today as an afterschool math and physics tutor. I'll have something solid to go on in the next few hours hopefully~

Damn, that was fast.

What are you implying?

I'm not implying anything. What I said was explicit. I told gleam to say something and gleam did. Hence "Damn, that was fast."

What did you think I was implying?

I thought he was implying that, here we go, we already have people saying they are not caught up to the thread and it is only halfway through day one.

Nah. I was just amazed that I vote the guy and he shows up and posts.

That's what an accusation looks like to you?

Keep in mind that there was around half an hour between his prodding post and gleam's response, enough time to where it can't be considered someone just watching over the thread just to see if they're mentioned.

Then I'd say my vote served its purpose.

This defending of gleam as you call it starts of with just saying he won't vote gleam as gleam gets lynched early too much:

I'm sorry, your responses could be genuine but you are filling every box of my checklist.

- First you were not trying to hunt scum.
- Then people called you out and you literally accused all three people who were suspecting you. In other words, OMGUS.
- Then you say you are trying to protect civs when you had never posted a single civ read.
- Then you pull the "no lynch" theory out of nowhere. Which is a objectively bad theory because we can't win the game unless we try to lynch people.
- And now you are pigbacking on someone to validade your own points, when that someone doesn't actually have the same opinion as you. I've got lynched twice before as mafia for doing that, and lynched another mafioso for it. I think it's a good scumtell.

I refuse to vote for agleaminranks. Gleam gets lynched early all the time. I think the last time he told us to sit and spin or something.

The only other post he made regarding gleam d1 was speculating that if Wilgy was a cop, then gleam was likely a cop. This slight defense doesn't mean much. The general scumtell is that the mafia will cast suspicion on a player without directly accusing them, hoping some townie will take up that argument for them/that the point will stick in some minds. The smart mafia members might even defend the player they cast the initial suspicion on, if they have an angle for it, to further disassociate themselves from being a catalyst in the lynch of a town player. Epi's later defense of gleam consisted of solely asking why gleam was a suspect, making a joke about him passing wind. Later on he said he had no strong read on gleam and asked Golden to explain the case against gleam, with that being his last post on the matter the day gleam got lynched. Then in the night following gleam's lynch he heavily criticizes the basis for the gleam lynch despite not having argued against the actual points of the case, which could have saved gleam's life if he bothered to show people why they weren't valid. He yells at people to pay attention, when hes constantly not in the know as to why people are being suspected and doesn't argue against lynches he thinks are stupid.

If that's what smart mafia members do, then you must be awesome at figuring them out. Tell me friend, how many cops have you lynched so far?

Raise your hand if you don't think I'll railroad a civilian with my hardest locomotive and not think twice about the consequences. Good or bad.

And sometimes I pretend to know less than I do. Sometimes I don't know shit for real, but other times, I know shit for real.

I've made up my mind. As of now, it's DDL or sig for me tomorrow. You clowns go on and HURRRR CFD CFD tomorrow and I will vote the shit out of you too. Stop that shit. It's stupid. You get Mafia once every fifteen or twenty times doing it. You hit a civilian and it's "Aw, Barnacles" and when it actually happens, you pat yourselves on the back like you actually accomplished something. No more bullshit lynches.

I'm mostly talking to Golden here.

I'm mostly talking to you when I say I don't care what you think

But my vote tomorrow will almost certainly be sig or DDL too. Today it was almost certainly sig or gleam. If it had been sig yesterday it would have been gleam tomorrow. I don't really equate what happened at the end of that last day to what happened at the end of day 2 at all, they were completely different things. EoD4 was not a CFD.

And I don't agree with you. Day 2 was not "CFD," though some took it as such. Day 4 was. Gleam didn't do anything or say anything like Fuzz did. He got lynched for a theory based on votes. I would like less of that and more, you know, paying attention please.

3. Using meta reasons to defend Mongoose while implying that Sloonei is scum for not dismissing his read "as that is just Mongoose's meta".

It's not a great reason to pursue the lynch of Sloonei, but it's not a bad reason to toss out a flier vote in the game's earliest stages either. Had Epi actually made this into something meaningful and pursued it harder as a real case, I might agree with you. He didn't do that though, and for 95% of the game he has made no moves against Sloonei.

First impressions matter quite a lot in this game. Epi sent out the notion that this is how Mongoose is, so she shouldn't be voted for for the way she was acting. Its a roadblock to actual discussion, he did the same to me when I made a case on Mongoose:

Somehow I managed to skip a large post by Soneji.

He makes a good point on Mongoose, though in the last quote, I have to say the fact she is asking about how mafia is played here is because she is back after a long hiatus, during which a lot of people from different communities came here and change the usual playstyle.

I understood the context of how she was trying to come across(as naive of possible new habits), its just that the context in which the question was asked(as a prerequisite to a stated desire to vote lynch Ika) is rather scummy. If the question about voting people to get their attention came prior to a vote on Ika/stated desire to vote Ika, I likely wouldn't find the behavior suspicious. Lack of confidence in your own reads is also more indicative of scum, who don't want to be seen as going after the wrong people or having weak reasoning. If Ika's behavior was in any way normal in the community as it is now, people wouldn't have been suspecting him for it as much as they did D1, which should have clued Mongoose in. Even so, she felt the need to be sure that her reasoning was sound in the eyes of others.

Have you ever met Mongoose before?

As well as to Silverwolf:

Why are people voting for Draconusgoose?

Oh I switched my vote to Draconus

I expect sig to be the lynch today but I want to voice my opinions on others I'm suspecting and the fact that Draconus has done very little since replacing reminds me of how myself and others I've seen react to replacing into a scum slot. Be mostly inactive and then just post the bare minimum without really saying much.

I still suspect Soneji for posts that don't really say anything at all and because I think scum are laying low this game while town attacks each other, but I don't see the point of sitting on that vote by myself right now.

Draconus hasn't done much of anything since replacing. Soneji hasn't done anything all game. They both need to be pushed eventually if we are gonna win this. And if they continue, then lynched IMO.

Your pressure doesn't bother aapje at all. Besides, Alice just started playing.

moresque are your thoughts on The Cyber Controller viands votes? Thoughts overthwart thanks?

Like, WTF is this post? Bascially self votes and does no scumhunting or make any attempt at game solving. I mean, yes, he did replace but has had enough time to at least make a decent vote-yet doesn't.

Have you met Draconus before?

Have you met Epignosis before?

4. Devolving the thread into filler talk about basketball.

Yeah I'm not going to seriously call someone scummy because they talked about basketball. That was the most outwardly absurd accusation I hurled at him in that fake case.

Its really in the context of when he talked about basketball, watching a TV show, etc. that stands out. Like when he has zebra wanting him to share his suspicions:

I've got some of these to go around.

Dish 'em out then, we need more then unspecified suspicions.

Golden asking him if he had anything else on his mind other than his tunnel vision on Nero:

New train of thought: Nerolunar should be lynched. Go.

You're awfully focused on him. Is there anything else on your mind?

Yes, but nothing game related. I'm hoping I win money tonight after a shitty weekend.

But hell yeah I'm awfully focused on him.

Nerolunar was in third place after sig and LC. LC was good. I suspect sig too, but I figure he's going to get enough today without my help. There's more than two cops, and I still think Nerolunar is one of them. I want to know why the thread went nuts for LC out of nowhere (in terms of a 48 hour day), but Nerolunar got no added votes.

Nah. I'm going to eat the delicious roast I made and then lose some more money on basketball.

TH prodding Epi for some more output in a joking fashion:

Welcome to the Silverika show everybody.

I bought tickets to the Epignosis show but it must have been canceled, who do I contact for a refund?

My show got canceled because Stephen Curry is a bitch on his birthday.

Or like recently when he acted as if he could destroy my argument against him but instead hes going to go watch Gotham and I'm supposedly lucky for that.

Oh deary me. Thank God I am able to allude to real life things like basketball and my favorite TV show to hide my inept Mafia skills.

You know what's pissing me off the most right now? Russell Westbrook has 4 REB, 2 3PM, 6 AST, 1 STL, 3 TO, 24 PTS with Kevin Durant OUT. That's bullshit right there, man.

I do not think Quin is the Warden. I wouldn't expect that rainbow post to be his doing either. Quin is colorblind.

Quin can be colorblind and still be the Warden. The Warden has BTSC. I raised this point earlier: The Warden need not be the original author of the posts to still post them.

Cool. I am voting for Elohcin. Thoughts?

I don't think she or anyone else is going to care. Except me.

So was Epignosis. I still need to look at the recent interactions between him and Mr Prisoner more in depth. I have a fantasy baseball draft tonight and don't know how awake I'll be after that so I may not get to things tonight, but tomorrow morning is wide open for mafia I promise. I am getting tired of talking about things I intend to do in this game and look forward to actually doing them.

So was I what?

Ooh oh oh! Sloonei is talking about fantasy sports in the thread! Lynch her!

DDL seemed to put alot of work into a secret role if he was a seemer? If anything Matt was the seemer. However, I stand by my view that Ika was the seemer and SW was arrested since she would've pushed Ika as seemer thing.

Epi

I only got through Day 2 with you, didn't I?

sig

I still have reading to do. Quin and Scotty are up next.

[sig]

Nah doesn't explain things Quin. Both Stool's (ehehehe I said stool) are dead, they each only get 1 free life. We've had four misses and TH not getting lynched.

What are the chances there isn't say a Rookie cop and they've also got a secret role?

[Quin]

Nah doesn't explain things Quin. Both Stool's (ehehehe I said stool) are dead, they each only get 1 free life. We've had four misses and TH not getting lynched.

What are the chances there isn't say a Rookie cop and they've also got a secret role?

It does explain things. Say that scum have attempted to arrest both dons - it wouldn't work, so there's two. If they've attempted to arrest each stool pigeon, that's the other two since as you said, they have a free 'save'. The attempted lynch of Turnip is irrelevant since it happened during the day and both town or scum could have taken part in it.

@Epi: I look forward to it. Drag me through the mud as rough as you can. I can take it.

[Quin]

I considered the rookie cop having a secret role, but I very much doubt it. MP and SD have yet to lie about anything in the setup, and the rookie cops role description explicitly says 'He has no power', so I don't see them lying about that. If the rookie cop did have a secret ability, we would know.

[Sloonei]

Did Epi just call me a lady?

[Prisoner 509378]

I don't know what kind of precedent there might be for these specific hosts leaving significant mysteries in their setups, but I will say that a secret lynch immunity or anything similar to that on the baddie team isn't just a little easter egg -- it throws the balance of the entire game. There is no stronger power a bad guy can ever have than lynch immunity; lynches are how bad guys are eliminated.

[Epignosis]

Did Epi just call me a lady?

I know you're a dude and still constantly think of you as a chick. It's your username.

[Prisoner 509378]

Did Epi just call me a lady?

You'd be justified to call him a lady too if you like. I've seen those avatars of his.

[Epignosis]

Did Epi just call me a lady?

I know you're a dude and still constantly think of you as a chick. It's your username.

The cute Paprika avatar didn't help either.

[Epignosis]

Did Epi just call me a lady?

You'd be justified to call him a lady too if you like. I've seen those avatars of his.

[Sloonei]

I considered the rookie cop having a secret role, but I very much doubt it. MP and SD have yet to lie about anything in the setup, and the rookie cops role description explicitly says 'He has no power', so I don't see them lying about that. If the rookie cop did have a secret ability, we would know.

I agree with this.

Linki: As long you're a gentleman about it I don't mind.

I've tried to post this 6 times now but either lost connection or came down with a case of linkitis. Make that 7.

[Prisoner 509378]

Scotty, I'm reviewing your posts with a narrow focus on your moves against Quin. I was looking for The Big Case that I assumed you made somewhere to get a fuller grasp of your feelings about him and then to compare it against his suspicion of you. I was a little surprised that, at least for the first half of the game, you didn't assemble a comprehensive case. You certainly expressed confident suspicion of Quin, and starting on Day 3 it became a constant thing.

Spoiler: show

I just did a read of Quin.

He's a cop.

Hey Quin, what is your opinion of sig? Straight up.

This was the beginning of Scotty Hates Quin. You "did a read" of him and came to a conclusive read: that he's a cop. I won't even concern myself with that, it's the next bit that is of interest to me. Why, at this moment, did you care about Quin's opinion of sig? This is not meant to be accusatory. I'm burrowing into your brain and extracting data fragments that will help the people in my laboratory determine your motivations.

Eventually you did produce a larger case against Quin, on Day 6.

In hindsight, Quin's thorough understanding of what the warden does, and the external prison thread, is of interest. Initially I thought it could just be implied from the role description, but that might be too generous.

I had thought that arrested players get put into another thread which consists of the jailmates and probably the warden. Maybe they have some sort of goal to achieve in there?

The yellow bit seems to imply Quin knew something about the other people in the jail beyond just those who were arrested, which is not implied in the role description and indeed was a total secret until Day 5. The orange bit is less jarring, but perhaps still of interest just because of the language Quin used. The prisoners definitely have "some sort of goal to achieve", they have exactly that. So on one hand that's a good ass guess on Quin's part, and I can understand it being called too good. I don't know why the warden would just blurt this out into the game thread, that seems like an absolutely silly error for him to make. But it's possible. He doesn't even have to be the warden, he could be some other cop who chatted with the warden in BTSC about the nature of the prison.

Talk about this Quin. My confidence is shaken.

Otherwise, Scotty, there is one recurring theme to your analysis that I think needs to be revisited now. Your suspicion of Quin in this case seemed to strongly rely upon his relationship with Boomrique (you thought they'd make good cop team mates):

If Enrique/Boomslang is bad, Quin is a great candidate. Enrique was in no danger of getting lynched D1, and even though Quin keeps him in the periphery of his suspicions, he doubles back with "I'm feeling better about him" on day 2. How convenient. But no matter what I said or how i justified my Tranq vote, he keeps pushing the envelope. Quin continues to read Enrislang as town to this day.

Boomrique has since been lynched and flipped town. What impact does this have on your mindset?

[Quin]

It was clear to me from the very beginning that there was a difference between being dead and being arrested. There was no logical reason for the two to be split up in the story posts if there was not something of interest there. I looked at the warden and figured that if he 'oversees' the prisoners, that means they've got BTSC. Why? Because they're supposed to communicate. Why? Because they have a goal.

I'm sure you've seen it, but I like to try and understand the game setup just as much as I try to understand player alignments. I gave an insight into the way that the seemer would work if they claimed the secret role, too. I talked about the captain and crew early on, because I wanted to understand it.

I only know these things because I make it a priority to understand how this game works.

[Quin]

Also, since I'm not a policeman, I'm blushing at the compliment of making these 'good ass guesses'.

[Prisoner 509378]

It was clear to me from the very beginning that there was a difference between being dead and being arrested. There was no logical reason for the two to be split up in the story posts if there was not something of interest there. I looked at the warden and figured that if he 'oversees' the prisoners, that means they've got BTSC. Why? Because they're supposed to communicate. Why? Because they have a goal.

I'm sure you've seen it, but I like to try and understand the game setup just as much as I try to understand player alignments. I gave an insight into the way that the seemer would work if they claimed the secret role, too. I talked about the captain and crew early on, because I wanted to understand it.

I only know these things because I make it a priority to understand how this game works.

In the post I highlighted, what did you mean by "jailmates"?

[Quin]

It was clear to me from the very beginning that there was a difference between being dead and being arrested. There was no logical reason for the two to be split up in the story posts if there was not something of interest there. I looked at the warden and figured that if he 'oversees' the prisoners, that means they've got BTSC. Why? Because they're supposed to communicate. Why? Because they have a goal.

I'm sure you've seen it, but I like to try and understand the game setup just as much as I try to understand player alignments. I gave an insight into the way that the seemer would work if they claimed the secret role, too. I talked about the captain and crew early on, because I wanted to understand it.

I only know these things because I make it a priority to understand how this game works.

In the post I highlighted, what did you mean by "jailmates"?

Arrested players. At the time I had no idea that there were people from outside the game also posing as inmates.

[Scotty]

Scotty, I'm reviewing your posts with a narrow focus on your moves against Quin. I was looking for The Big Case that I assumed you made somewhere to get a fuller grasp of your feelings about him and then to compare it against his suspicion of you. I was a little surprised that, at least for the first half of the game, you didn't assemble a comprehensive case. You certainly expressed confident suspicion of Quin, and starting on Day 3 it became a constant thing.

Spoiler: show

I just did a read of Quin.

He's a cop.

Hey Quin, what is your opinion of sig? Straight up.

This was the beginning of Scotty Hates Quin. You "did a read" of him and came to a conclusive read: that he's a cop. I won't even concern myself with that, it's the next bit that is of interest to me. Why, at this moment, did you care about Quin's opinion of sig? This is not meant to be accusatory. I'm burrowing into your brain and extracting data fragments that will help the people in my laboratory determine your motivations.

Eventually you did produce a larger case against Quin, on Day 6.

In hindsight, Quin's thorough understanding of what the warden does, and the external prison thread, is of interest. Initially I thought it could just be implied from the role description, but that might be too generous.

I had thought that arrested players get put into another thread which consists of the jailmates and probably the warden. Maybe they have some sort of goal to achieve in there?

The yellow bit seems to imply Quin knew something about the other people in the jail beyond just those who were arrested, which is not implied in the role description and indeed was a total secret until Day 5. The orange bit is less jarring, but perhaps still of interest just because of the language Quin used. The prisoners definitely have "some sort of goal to achieve", they have exactly that. So on one hand that's a good ass guess on Quin's part, and I can understand it being called too good. I don't know why the warden would just blurt this out into the game thread, that seems like an absolutely silly error for him to make. But it's possible. He doesn't even have to be the warden, he could be some other cop who chatted with the warden in BTSC about the nature of the prison.

Talk about this Quin. My confidence is shaken.

Otherwise, Scotty, there is one recurring theme to your analysis that I think needs to be revisited now. Your suspicion of Quin in this case seemed to strongly rely upon his relationship with Boomrique (you thought they'd make good cop team mates):

If Enrique/Boomslang is bad, Quin is a great candidate. Enrique was in no danger of getting lynched D1, and even though Quin keeps him in the periphery of his suspicions, he doubles back with "I'm feeling better about him" on day 2. How convenient. But no matter what I said or how i justified my Tranq vote, he keeps pushing the envelope. Quin continues to read Enrislang as town to this day.

Boomrique has since been lynched and flipped town. What impact does this have on your mindset?

What makes me even more confident Quin is bad is the link we have. The big reason I'm not dead, I feel, is that I could be on the right track, and as long as Quin is alive I am alive.

Quin is the Voldemort to my Harry Potter.

I came to that conclusion just recently. Before that, Quin's act just made sense to me as a cop. He was helpful, if not too helpful at times.

Boom flipping bad would definitely affirm my feeling. But then, in this tunnel, the light is behind the Quin lynch. Boom flipping good does NOT absolve him, because of course cops would know he is town. I haven't been pulling for him as hard since that flip, but know that I still think he is bad, and now that he's got SVS on board I'm down to make this a duel between us.

Here's an idea, that I'm willing to put out there (because at this point it's pointless for me to try and shake the cobwebs I have unless it happens):

Lynch Quin and if he turns up good, lynch me. He won't. Assuredly.

[Quin]

'Lynch Quin and if he turns up good, lynch me'

Worst idea I've heard yet. There may not even be a Day 10 if I'm lynched.

[Prisoner 509378]

What makes me even more confident Quin is bad is the link we have. The big reason I'm not dead, I feel, is that I could be on the right track, and as long as Quin is alive I am alive.

Quin is the Voldemort to my Harry Potter.

I don't follow your thinking here. Does your survival have to mean anything, let alone be indicative of Quin's alignment? Who among the players already arrested do you feel made less sense than a Scotty arrest would have made up to this point? A ton of people are alive that "shouldn't be", at least according to popular opinion.

I came to that conclusion just recently. Before that, Quin's act just made sense to me as a cop. He was helpful, if not too helpful at times.

This is not inspiring, Scotty. Are you accusing Quin of being so town that he's not town? What does "too helpful" look like, and how does it differ from a standard high-effort townie?

Boom flipping bad would definitely affirm my feeling. But then, in this tunnel, the light is behind the Quin lynch. Boom flipping good does NOT absolve him, because of course cops would know he is town. I haven't been pulling for him as hard since that flip, but know that I still think he is bad, and now that he's got SVS on board I'm down to make this a duel between us.

Here's an idea, that I'm willing to put out there (because at this point it's pointless for me to try and shake the cobwebs I have unless it happens):

Lynch Quin and if he turns up good, lynch me. He won't. Assuredly.

One more mislynch may well end the entire game.

[Quin]

Feels like a scum-beneficial compromise to me.

I won't do the same clear-cut tunneling Scotty's trying to do on me. If there's significant reason not to vote Scotty, I won't do it, but there's not a whole lot being thrown around in his defense and I'm confident he's a good choice.

Prisoner, does my explanation sit well with you? More questions? Lay it on thick if you need to.

[Prisoner 509378]

Prisoner, does my explanation sit well with you? More questions? Lay it on thick if you need to.

I'm still in mode. Stay tuned for more from Prisoner 509378!

[Quin]

In that case, I'm going to immerse myself in the Sims 4 for the next 194 hours. Everybody hates my sim for some reason. He's a doctor, by the way.

[Quin]

Oh, but maybe Scotty should jump in on yours and SVS's bet

[Prisoner 509378]

In that case, I'm going to immerse myself in the Sims 4 for the next 194 hours. Everybody hates my sim for some reason. He's a doctor, by the way.

The classic Sims formula to make people love you is TALK TALK TALK JOKE TALK JOKE TALK FLIRT JOKE GIVE BACK RUB FLIRT GIVE GIFT FLIRT FLIRT HUG HUG ENTERTAIN KISS KISS WOO HOO PEE ON FLOOR

[Scotty]

What makes me even more confident Quin is bad is the link we have. The big reason I'm not dead, I feel, is that I could be on the right track, and as long as Quin is alive I am alive.

Quin is the Voldemort to my Harry Potter.

I don't follow your thinking here. Does your survival have to mean anything, let alone be indicative of Quin's alignment? Who among the players already arrested do you feel made less sense than a Scotty arrest would have made up to this point? A ton of people are alive that "shouldn't be", at least according to popular opinion.

llama was a surprise for me. I didn't get the same townie feel either way. And I'm controversial to the point that Quin and I have been at each other for a while. To kill me wouldn't look good for me. Which also explains- as I've contemplated before- why SVS is still alive.
By keeping me alive, Quin is somewhere is in-between-land. In a way, both of us are.

I came to that conclusion just recently. Before that, Quin's act just made sense to me as a cop. He was helpful, if not too helpful at times.

This is not inspiring, Scotty. Are you accusing Quin of being so town that he's not town? What does "too helpful" look like, and how does it differ from a standard high-effort townie?

Not gonna lie. He's put forth cases, conjectures about the goings on of cop roles, and had moments where he looks good. But you said it yourself: Some things he has said appear like he knows too much already. Contributive, and shining a light in a storm by clarifying roles is something anyone can do, and does not necessarily build civ Cred.

Boom flipping bad would definitely affirm my feeling. But then, in this tunnel, the light is behind the Quin lynch. Boom flipping good does NOT absolve him, because of course cops would know he is town. I haven't been pulling for him as hard since that flip, but know that I still think he is bad, and now that he's got SVS on board I'm down to make this a duel between us.

Here's an idea, that I'm willing to put out there (because at this point it's pointless for me to try and shake the cobwebs I have unless it happens):

Lynch Quin and if he turns up good, lynch me. He won't. Assuredly.

One more mislynch may well end the entire game.

correct. So do not lynch me.

[Prisoner 509378]

llama was a surprise for me. I didn't get the same townie feel either way. And I'm controversial to the point that Quin and I have been at each other for a while. To kill me wouldn't look good for me. Which also explains- as I've contemplated before- why SVS is still alive.
By keeping me alive, Quin is somewhere is in-between-land. In a way, both of us are.

Who was llama's clear #1 lynch choice when he died?

This theory you're positing is a two-way street, as you granted, and that pretty much neutralizes it. You could be keeping Quin alive for the same reason you assert he is keeping you alive. And anti-Quin people have been night killed. Golden was also an example.

Not gonna lie. He's put forth cases, conjectures about the goings on of cop roles, and had moments where he looks good. But you said it yourself: Some things he has said appear like he knows too much already. Contributive, and shining a light in a storm by clarifying roles is something anyone can do, and does not necessarily build civ Cred.

If Quin's only contribution in his 500 posts was to speculate about roles and the setup, I might understand. That's not even close to accurate though. He has covered a very wide breadth in his content on all fronts: speculating about the setup, defending himself, and critically assessing other players. I'm frankly not certain your own content can hold up to that standard right now.

correct. So do not lynch me.

Your confidence in Quin seems to have been shaken at least some in recent memory. For you to essentially lay out a 1 vs. 1 ultimatum with Quin as your adversary, in a scenario that could see the game end with a mislynch, would require that you have absolute confidence in your read. You'd have to be more confident about it now than you had been earlier in the game even. You're not even espousing that kind of confidence right now. So why are you betting the entire game on it?

[Quin]

Yeah, you tell'im!

Brady is currently on a date with Liberty Lee, his neighbour who just so happens to be a bookworm, just like him. I figured I'd take her to a coffee shop so they can play musical chairs and not associate themselves with one another for the next three sim hours.

[Prisoner 509378]

As of right now, I think the two best lynches available are Nerolunar or Soneji.

[Prisoner 509378]

I could maybe do sig too. It's amusing that sig is still alive after all this.

[Quin]

As of right now, I think the two best lynches available are Nerolunar or Soneji.

Nerolunar would definitely be my second, but I'm still waiting on Soneji to give me that something something so I can get a better grip on him.

[Quin]

Do you all think Scotty's ISO of chaindeath could be a bus attempt, or not? "If I turn my tunnel vision on" (Sloonei, 2016), I see it happening given how little a presence chaindeath has really had in this game. I said it myself a while back, whether chaindeath was alive or not wouldn't really have much of an influence on the flow of the game.

[Black Rock]

Epignosis. I'll read the thread when my husband is not talking at me and I can concentrate.

[Scotty]

Do you all think Scotty's ISO of chaindeath could be a bus attempt, or not? "If I turn my tunnel vision on" (Sloonei, 2016), I see it happening given how little a presence chaindeath has really had in this game. I said it myself a while back, whether chaindeath was alive or not wouldn't really have much of an influence on the flow of the game.

That's assuming I'm bad. Maybe I just found him to be easily accessible as an ISO and proved to look scummy to me.

As of right now, I think the two best lynches available are Nerolunar or Soneji.

Listen, at this point if you don't lunch one of Quin or me, we're pretty much locked as safe to keep around until you guys do.

If you're not sure, then fine. We'll tough it out. There's still 4 (maybe 3) more baddies to find in the meantime.

Putting a vote on chaindeath for now. Quin, if chaindeath comes up as bad, then I'm not going to be cleared, I know. But I think a lot of people could get behind his lynch a bit ago.

Voting chaindeath for now.

[Prisoner 509378]

You're not even casing chaindeath at this point, Scotty. You're conplaining that he's a better lynch than you are. That's not how townies talk.

[Scotty]

You're not even casing chaindeath at this point, Scotty. You're conplaining that he's a better lynch than you are. That's not how townies talk.

That's not how your perception of townies talk. I am townie and trying to diffuse ridiculousness. And I've already cased him. I've already brought up what I originally thought of him, and then brought in his responses to my case and how it assuaged me slightly, but there are still discrepancies, Nostradamus.

Anyway, are you saying I'm not a townie now?

[Prisoner 509378]

Anyway, are you saying I'm not a townie now?

I'm exploring the possibility that you aren't a townie. I think you've said some pretty questionable things in response to this most recent pressure you've found yourself under.

[Quin]

Oh, how the tables have tabled.

[Prisoner 509378]

I am townie and trying to diffuse ridiculousness.

That's the thing. It doesn't quite look like that. What it looks like is a bad guy being chased down an alley who is tipping over carts of apples and flipping tables to slow his pursuers.

[Prisoner 509378]

Scotty, what do you think of my logic on this point?

Regarding the chaindeath/Nerolunar dynamic: I might assert that if one of those two is to be lynched next (if), it should be Nero and not chaindeath. I think they're very easy to link to one another, but that has a lot more to do with what Nero has said than what chaindeath has said. Given the chance that the link was deliberately drawn by a cop Nero, I think he should be gone first. If anyone has reason to trust Nero, then by all means speak out.