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Both Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite - I would be very interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game - Sign me up now!!
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Both Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite - I would be somewhat interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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Both Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite - I am not sure if I would be interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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Both Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite - I would not at all be interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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Bioshock but not Bioshock Infinite - I would be very interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game - Sign me up now!!
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Bioshock but not Bioshock Infinite - I would be somewhat interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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Bioshock but not Bioshock Infinite - I am not sure if I would be interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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Bioshock but not Bioshock Infinite - I would not at all be interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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I have played neither - I would be very interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game - Sign me up now!!
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I have played neither - I would be somewhat interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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I have played neither - I am not sure if I would be interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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I have played neither - I would not at all be interested in a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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Sockface only - Of course I have played both and am interested, and I will be hosting a Bioshock Infinite mafia game.
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nutella wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:^I don't know I can't feel a vote for Boats today. :p Don't really feel he's bad. Maybe just me though.

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...Ooooo-kayy?? Care to explain why you feel this way? Any particular reason? You're being mysterious. o_o
Or are you just being defensive of his being quiet, because you're pretty quiet too :p

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I don't think he's civ or anything, but I don't really suspect him for what he did. Like I explained earlier, I admittedly do the same thing lots. Even when I'm civ. Also in the few games he's played, this behaviour seems very regular for him. Not anything I'd like to jump on him for really. But that's just me.

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Don't lynch me, I'm dead in all my other games :(
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Zany Dex wrote:Don't lynch me, I'm dead in all my other games :(
Well that is a compelling argument.
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
nutella wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:^I don't know I can't feel a vote for Boats today. :p Don't really feel he's bad. Maybe just me though.

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...Ooooo-kayy?? Care to explain why you feel this way? Any particular reason? You're being mysterious. o_o
Or are you just being defensive of his being quiet, because you're pretty quiet too :p

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I don't think he's civ or anything, but I don't really suspect him for what he did. Like I explained earlier, I admittedly do the same thing lots. Even when I'm civ. Also in the few games he's played, this behaviour seems very regular for him. Not anything I'd like to jump on him for really. But that's just me.

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Well we only got your word for that. Which may be civ, I don't know. But even if that is right, besides the evidence we do have, we have so little to go on. Come on Boats, you have nothing to say?

Perhaps he's staying quiet and waiting to see how it pans out? We don't want to get the wrong guy so speak up!

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This posting contest is a pain in the ass btw.
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That's true that we don't have much to go on. I really don't have much of anything myself. And yes it is a pain, but meh. That's the point and we all went along, haha.

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indiglo wrote:~whew~ Caught up again! I saw my name mentioned as being "absent". I really don't feel like I've been absent, but maybe I have been. Life has a way of getting hectic and going by really quickly when you're busy. As an explanation... I had 2 crazy ass long work weekends in a row where I was home about 0% of my time, and when I was home I was too exhausted to effectively mafia. Then I was without power due to major storms. (Mata, did those come through your area too? How did you fare? We're having more come through the next few days, so fingers crossed nothing bad will happen and the power doesn't go out again. Be safe!!) Anyhoo, Friday and Saturday I'm dedicating to staying at home and RESTING. That will give me mafia time as well. :)


RIP all deadies!! :rip:


Ok, my thoughts so far: I don't like threats either, I think it's safe to say that Boo is NOT a civ. I'd be on board with voting him. I shan't be bullied and don't give in to threats. :noble: (Also, agreed, he definitely separated himself from civs by saying YOU instead of US or WE... making his threat even more obvious, rather than just an FYI.)


Nev, thanks for your comments Re: bea as well. It's many things put together there. There was something else she said that made me tweak too. This one:
bea wrote: llama - I've got no problems with you looking my way. I'm a civ this time round. If there's anything specific I can address, I'd be happy to.


I highlighted the part that tweaked me. I understand this is merely the "reading of tone", but to me it kind of sounds like something a baddie might say who is looking for something specific to defend against or discount.


Beyond that, Boats is definitely on my short list. Really any of these 3 would be fine with me. Right now I am putting Boats at the bottom simply because I need to refresh my mind on all the reasons I was looking there. I shall do a reread after I take this dang pup outside who will NOT stop fussing at me. It actually probably will take 10 minutes or less to do THAT reread. :srsnod: :p


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I bet there's going to be crazy linki in the time it took me to prep this post.
I agree with everything you posted minus the stuff about me. Really, all that was meant was that I was looking for why I was suspect at the time. At first all I was getting was vague "I think bea might be bad" comments. It's hard to defend when one doesn't know what they are defending against. Even now, the most people can say is "yes, there's the timing of the vote. Which I get, but is more coincidental than indicative of my alignment" and "tone." To me, tone is hard to defend against. I was wishy-washy with my posting, because I was honest and my thinking was wishy-washy. I was not pretending to be dumb. I truly feel dumb in this game. I think I have a little more to go off now in making a more informed decision, but the first 3 days, I was really really lost. Hell part of me wanted to be lynched because I was so frustrated at not understanding and being accused of being bad for it.

My current new thing to track down and report back to tonight? The whole Civ bts thing. I've read the roles but nothing seems to stick in my head and I remember someone saying there is civ bts - then someone else saying there isn't - then a 3rd person (just today, I can't remember who as I was skimming while I was at work) gave roles and stuff with civ bts. - so now I feel like I need this question clarified in my head as to how civ bts happens, if it does indeed happen.

I think it's pretty clear to see why I'm pretty ok with a Boo vote. I'm in complete agreement with everyone that the You and not We or Us was a sign that Boo is not a civ. And yes, that did completely feel like maybe not a threat, but a dare. "I dare you to make it harder on yourselves" was how I read it. I've got some pause, because what if it really is damaging to us to kill him right now? But also, he's the best chance we have at a baddie right now. And Epi is right. A baddie is a baddie is a baddie. (I'm secondary on boats because the boats case has to do with the bts and I really really need to understand the nuances of the possibility of civ bts in this game)

@ snowdog - something in my gut told me this challenge was going to be a posting contest. There is no way I can win those unless I have extended several days off in a row. Also they are a crapton of work. There's a line in my mafia where there is "too much work." Posting contests usually fall on the "too much work" side of that line. Wasting last memorial day weekend looking for flags through all the pages of RM? Too much work. (Though the Stockholm syndrome that came into effect with my flag team was pretty sweet. We shared pain that no one else could ever share....)

@ dp - I know neither of you can address me, but what are your thoughts on everyone? I get why you are leary of the boats vote. And given what I know of you - and him. I totally understand it. But if not him - who else? And why?
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DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
nutella wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:^I don't know I can't feel a vote for Boats today. :p Don't really feel he's bad. Maybe just me though.

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...Ooooo-kayy?? Care to explain why you feel this way? Any particular reason? You're being mysterious. o_o
Or are you just being defensive of his being quiet, because you're pretty quiet too :p

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I don't think he's civ or anything, but I don't really suspect him for what he did. Like I explained earlier, I admittedly do the same thing lots. Even when I'm civ. Also in the few games he's played, this behaviour seems very regular for him. Not anything I'd like to jump on him for really. But that's just me.

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Wait a minute- you "don't really feel he's bad" and yet you "don't think he's civ or anything."

I'm having a difficult time reconciling these statements. What do you think he is then, a figment of our imagination?

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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Snow Dog wrote:This posting contest is a pain in the ass btw.
It really is, I've pretty much given up because I know I'm not going to win so now I just don't want to lose. Constantly going back to check how many posts I was on last time is a drag. I'll probably post more frequently when it's over to be honest.

As far as today goes I'm still probably going to vote for Boo. I haven't seen anything to convince me he's not bad, in fact his defenses have done pretty much the opposite of that.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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Epignosis wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
nutella wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:^I don't know I can't feel a vote for Boats today. :p Don't really feel he's bad. Maybe just me though.

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...Ooooo-kayy?? Care to explain why you feel this way? Any particular reason? You're being mysterious. o_o
Or are you just being defensive of his being quiet, because you're pretty quiet too :p

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I don't think he's civ or anything, but I don't really suspect him for what he did. Like I explained earlier, I admittedly do the same thing lots. Even when I'm civ. Also in the few games he's played, this behaviour seems very regular for him. Not anything I'd like to jump on him for really. But that's just me.

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Wait a minute- you "don't really feel he's bad" and yet you "don't think he's civ or anything."

I'm having a difficult time reconciling these statements. What do you think he is then, a figment of our imagination?

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The bit I don't understand is DP saying "I admittedly do the same thing lots". The same of what lots? Reading really quickly and then posting a short time later with thoughts? Could you expand on this DP?

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:This posting contest is a pain in the ass btw.
It really is, I've pretty much given up because I know I'm not going to win so now I just don't want to lose. Constantly going back to check how many posts I was on last time is a drag. I'll probably post more frequently when it's over to be honest.

As far as today goes I'm still probably going to vote for Boo. I haven't seen anything to convince me he's not bad, in fact his defenses have done pretty much the opposite of that.

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So do you think his threats (if that's what they were) were empty?

What he said here made no sense to me:
boo wrote: 1. As has been pointed out, I was not happy about taking a single vote. Perhaps it's because I perceive my role as one that no one (well... maybe a few, there are secrets and I may have missed a few things in a few roles) should want lynched, and certainly shouldn't be putting votes on. No one likes the threat of a lynch switch... among other things.
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And: in before 'clearly he has some kind of protect and knows even if he is the top voter getter he will not be lynched'. If I have the most votes, I expect to be lynched like anyone else would, I have no lynch pardon, switch, or ability to end the day early (or anything else you may be able to think of).
No one likes the threat of a lynch switch, he says. Yet he claims to have no lynch switch.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:This posting contest is a pain in the ass btw.
It really is, I've pretty much given up because I know I'm not going to win so now I just don't want to lose. Constantly going back to check how many posts I was on last time is a drag. I'll probably post more frequently when it's over to be honest.

As far as today goes I'm still probably going to vote for Boo. I haven't seen anything to convince me he's not bad, in fact his defenses have done pretty much the opposite of that.

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So do you think his threats (if that's what they were) were empty?

What he said here made no sense to me:
boo wrote: 1. As has been pointed out, I was not happy about taking a single vote. Perhaps it's because I perceive my role as one that no one (well... maybe a few, there are secrets and I may have missed a few things in a few roles) should want lynched, and certainly shouldn't be putting votes on. No one likes the threat of a lynch switch... among other things.
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And: in before 'clearly he has some kind of protect and knows even if he is the top voter getter he will not be lynched'. If I have the most votes, I expect to be lynched like anyone else would, I have no lynch pardon, switch, or ability to end the day early (or anything else you may be able to think of).
No one likes the threat of a lynch switch, he says. Yet he claims to have no lynch switch.

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Idk, Boo's reply seems all over the place. I don't know what to make of it. Hence the likelihood of my voting for him.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:This posting contest is a pain in the ass btw.
It really is, I've pretty much given up because I know I'm not going to win so now I just don't want to lose. Constantly going back to check how many posts I was on last time is a drag. I'll probably post more frequently when it's over to be honest.

As far as today goes I'm still probably going to vote for Boo. I haven't seen anything to convince me he's not bad, in fact his defenses have done pretty much the opposite of that.

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So do you think his threats (if that's what they were) were empty?

What he said here made no sense to me:
boo wrote: 1. As has been pointed out, I was not happy about taking a single vote. Perhaps it's because I perceive my role as one that no one (well... maybe a few, there are secrets and I may have missed a few things in a few roles) should want lynched, and certainly shouldn't be putting votes on. No one likes the threat of a lynch switch... among other things.
boo wrote:
And: in before 'clearly he has some kind of protect and knows even if he is the top voter getter he will not be lynched'. If I have the most votes, I expect to be lynched like anyone else would, I have no lynch pardon, switch, or ability to end the day early (or anything else you may be able to think of).
No one likes the threat of a lynch switch, he says. Yet he claims to have no lynch switch.

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Yes I do think he's making empty threats. I said in an earlier post something along the lines of anyone could come out and say the things he's saying, there's no way to prove the truth of it other than to lynch him and then it will be too late so I don't see why anyone would attempt to actually defend themselves in such a way. I don't see it as a defense, I see it as him trying to scare people away from voting for him and I don't think we should let it work.

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DharmaHelper wrote:
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nutella wrote:RIP Eloh and Lizzy :( Now that Eloh's gone I have a serious risk of losing the contest :( :( And Vomps is hinting strongly about Lizzy so I'm worried that I might have been wrong about her... but clearly a splicer saw fit to kill her so I'm not the only one.

I'm looking at boats and boo today.

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Even after re-reading all the Boo and Boat posts earlier, I have once again mixed them up and have just re-read through all that mess for a third time. I gotta start eating carbs. Anyway, I am leaning towards Boats at this point. But any compelling arguments for Boo could sway me. The Lizzy death really threw me too, so I am now focusing on the B's.

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You don't see my case against boo as compelling? I'm offended! On a serious note, his defense seems to have gone from "Nope not defending myself" to "Fuck you lol lynch me IDK eat a dong". Neither are very civvie ways to play and one is a very rude way to play. Boats may be bad but I feel my case on boo is strong, and I feel his recent posts have been worthy of a slap in the face :P vote boo
Don't be so funny - I work in a library! I did literally LOL at your fake Boo Radley quote. I do find it compelling, I just felt more drawn toward Boats this time. I will definitely focus on the other Bs next time for sure. Maybe Boats and Boo Radley are both ones to vote for.

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I could see the Boats thing if there was something other than "He sped through that read up and seems to have a grasp on things, must be btsc". Also, the source of the Boats suspicion is nutella I think (she was the first to point out how Boats may have BTSC right?), and I'm not getting groovy vibes from her atm based on her Epig comment and subsequent explanation. I can see a scenario wherein Boats is bad and everything, but One piece of evidence is just not enough at this stage of the game to make me vote that way. Also having prepared this post as a response to you, I noticed Vomp say he'd have to go back and reread stuff involved in the event in order to address my question about who pinned him and Lizzy as teammates. I don't think that's the case. If Vomp posted "people think Lizzy and I were civ teammates" then surely he has an idea of which people said that.

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• Andrew Ryan – The founder and figurehead of the underwater city Rapture. Having seen his great city ravaged by parasites, he stays alive by barricading himself in his office at Hephaestus. Consequently, he cannot be lynched or nightkilled until his barricade is broken. This occurs when his security is breached, which can be caused in several specific scenarios. Ryan protects himself and Rapture from leeches, and particularly Jack, by sending out the Splicers and Security Bots in his defense and on the attack. If a Security Bot finds Jack, Ryan will be made aware of Jack’s location in Rapture and which Security Bot found him. If a bot finds Jack as he arrives in Arcadia, Ryan can choose to flood the location with poison gas, destroying all the trees and preventing the Lazarus Vector from working. Additionally, by the end of every even day period, Ryan must send a name on a slip of paper to Sullivan, ordering that person to be killed that night. Andrew Ryan can win with the other morally ambiguous civvies alive (at least, those who don't hate him) but cannot with the ADAM Guardians or Fontaine's Crew. If Andrew Ryan dies, all of his Splicers and Security Bots become rogue independents, winning only if they survive to be last splicer or bot standing.

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• Thuggish Splicer – Serves Andrew Ryan to protect him from Jack and all the other parasites. Selects one target to kill every night with a melee weapon. Has a 10% base rate of killing its target. Knows who Andrew Ryan is and thus will refuse to attack him.

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• Leadhead Splicer – Serves Andrew Ryan to protect him from Jack and all the other parasites. Selects one target to kill every night with a machine gun or pistol. Has a 25% base rate of killing its target. Knows who Andrew Ryan is and thus will refuse to attack him.

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• Spider Splicer – Serves Andrew Ryan to protect him from Jack and all the other parasites. Selects one target to kill every night by sneaking up on them or throwing hooks at them from afar. If the Spider Splicer decides to melee attack, it has a 40% base rate of killing its target; if it decides to attack with hooks at a range, it has a 10% base rate of killing its target with three consecutive attempts. It cannot be harmed as easily with certain Plasmids if attacking from afar. Knows who Andrew Ryan is and thus will refuse to attack him.

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• Houdini Splicer – Serves Andrew Ryan to protect him from Jack and all the other parasites. Selects one target to kill every night with balls of fire or ice. Has a 30% base rate of killing its target. As a master of teleportation, Houdini Splicer is difficult to kill. It survives the first two attempts on its life, whether by lynch or by nightkill. Knows who Andrew Ryan is and thus will refuse to attack him.

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• Nitro Splicer – Serves Andrew Ryan to protect him from Jack and all the other parasites. Selects one target to kill every night with grenades and smoke bombs. The Nitro Splicer can choose to melee attack or from a distance. If the Nitro Splicer decides to melee attack, it has a 5% base rate of killing its target with a smoke bomb, but a 100% base rate of role blocking its target. If it decides to throw grenades from a distance, it has a 35% base rate of killing its target two consecutive tries. However, the Nitro Splicer cannot throw grenades from a distance more than two consecutive nights, lest it run out of grenades too quickly. If nightkilled, it lays a grenade, hoping to cheat its killer out of life as well before dying. Knows who Andrew Ryan is and thus will refuse to attack him.

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• Security Bots (6) – Search for Jack every night. If found, Jack must stop at his current location and cannot move until the following night. Any of the Security Bots will not be made aware if it has found Jack, but Ryan will be. If all Security Bots die, then Andrew Ryan’s barricade is broken. Unlike the Splicers, the Security Bots do not know Andrew Ryan’s identity. In the event that Ryan dies, the Security Bots can begin attacking every night thereafter using their built-in machine guns. Every Security Bot has a 25% base rate of killing its target.








'Civvies' 2: The Other Morally Ambiguous (13)

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• Diane McClintock – Andrew Ryan’s first mistress, who initially wholeheartedly supports him in his vision and beliefs. However, after she was injured in a riot and the subsequent chaos and decay of Rapture, McClintock began to see a changed man in Ryan. After seeing him transform as his city collapsed, she learned to despise him unconditionally. After Ryan found a new mistress in Jolene, McClintock fully became enamored with Atlas, participating in raids and other missions for his army. She searches for Atlas every night, hoping to meet him, unaware of what may happen. McClintock cannot win with Andrew Ryan alive. (Secrets)

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• Jasmine Jolene – An exotic dancer at Eve’s Garden in Fort Frolic and second mistress of Andrew Ryan. She became pregnant and subsequently sold the fetus of the unborn child of hers and Ryan’s to Tenenbaum, who at the time was working for Fontaine, out of desire for financial independence. As a result, she cannot win with Andrew Ryan alive, as he will brutally murder her. She has no specific night or day power.

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• Bill McDonagh – A major contractor who helped to build much of Rapture. He is also a proud member of City Council and long time friend of Ryan, but later lost faith in Ryan given his increasingly hypocritical and power-hungry behavior. The only way for Rapture to be saved and the madness to end, he decided, is for Ryan to be dead, and he will not rest until this happens. He searches for Ryan every night; if he finds him, McDonagh breaks down the security in Ryan’s office, eliminating his barricade, and confronts him once and for all. He has a 40% base rate of killing Ryan, leaving him a 60% chance of failure, dying at the hands of Ryan. He cannot win with Andrew Ryan alive.

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• Anya Andersdotter – A designer of women’s shoes and self-made assassin, Anya believed in Rapture and Ryan, but later became discouraged and disgusted with Ryan’s behavior. It was the final straw when she lost one of her daughters to Ryan Industries, which transformed her into a Little Sister. She slept with a member of Ryan’s maintenance team to find out secrets of how to break into Ryan's office, in the hopes of killing him. Needing just one last bit of information, she searches every night for Kyburz, as the information she needs is in his office. Once she finds Kyburz, assuming she lives to tell the tale, she then starts searching for Ryan every night. If she finds him, she manages to eliminate his barricade and attempts to kill him. She has a 60% base rate of killing Ryan, leaving a 40% chance of failure, dying at the hands of Ryan. She cannot win with Andrew Ryan alive.

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• Kyburz – An electrical engineer and the supervisor in the Hephaestus workshops, Kyburz once thought of Ryan to be the greatest electrical engineer of his generation. He too, however, was eventually disappointed and disgusted with Ryan’s abuse of power, and strives to kill him. He dreams of devising a “device” capable of overloading Ryan’s security systems. Every night he works on his energy bomb until he decides it is complete. On the night he decides it is complete, he hooks the bomb up to Rapture’s energy core and wishes for the best. His chances of overloading the security systems are equal to 10% multiplied for every night he worked on the device before unleashing it (i.e.: 30% for hooking it up on Night 3). If the device succeeds, Kyburz breaks Ryan's barricade and also can try to kill Ryan with a 50% base rate and a 50% of failure, dying at the hands of Ryan. However, he can choose not to kill him at this time as well. If the device fails, nothing happens and he can no longer work on it. If he is working on his device and Anya Andersdotter visits him, he becomes paranoid that she is a spy for Ryan and hands her over to one of Ryan’s Splicers, randomly selected from the ones currently alive. The Splicer selected will then attack Anya with twice the normal base rate. Kyburz cannot win with Andrew Ryan alive.

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• Security Chief Sullivan – Head of Security under Andrew Ryan, Sullivan often questions the morality of the orders he is given, especially increasingly over time. Sullivan receives a piece of paper with the name of a target Andrew Ryan wants to kill by the end of every even day period. He has the choice to kill that person that same night, and thus kills every even night; or he can refuse the order, effectively not killing anyone or choosing to kill someone else in defiance. All of Sullivan’s kills have a 75% base rate of success. Once Sullivan has carried out three attempted kills, the guilt becomes too strong and he begins contemplating suicide every night, with a 50% base rate of success every night. If Sullivan refuses any order from Ryan, he incurs his wrath, and Ryan discontinues sending kill suggestions. Under these circumstances, having gained his boss’s displeasure, Sullivan can no longer win with Andrew Ryan alive.

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• Professor Julie Langford – The scientist responsible for creating and maintaining Arcadia, Langford works on her concoction, the Lazarus Vector. After Night 4, the Lazarus Vector becomes fully functional, and with it Langford can resurrect one player of her choice at any time. If Ryan decides to destroy Arcadia’s trees, Langford can no longer win with Andrew Ryan alive and the Lazarus Vector cannot function.

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• Dr. J.S. Steinman – A former well-respected and accomplished surgeon, Steinman became mad with the discovery and usage of ADAM, obsessing over pursuits to make each of his patients “perfect”. Now low on patients whose flesh he can sculpt, Steinman is a crazed, bitter man who wields his machine gun any time anyone disturbs him. When targeted with any night action, Steinman whips out his machine gun and attempts to murder his attacker. He has a 25% base rate of killing his intruder.

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• Peach Wilkins – A former employee at Fontaine Fisheries, rumored to be the leader of Fontaine’s smugglers, who feels paranoid about being held responsible with Fontaine being caught. He has the choice of locking himself in the freezer of the Fisheries or staking out with his camera. If he locks himself inside, he has a 50% chance of fending off any night action, including potential night kills. If the night action goes through, Wilkins does not benefit from any decrease in base rate from his attacker. Instead, if he waits outside the Fisheries with his camera, he can role check any potential attacker with a 60% chance of accuracy, assuming he lives to see another day.

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• Kyle Fitzpatrick – A talented pianist, Fitzpatrick works as a disciple under Sander Cohen, but Cohen is displeased by Fitzpatrick’s piano playing. Fitzpatrick must continue to play the piano every night but, as time passes, he comes closer to giving up out of frustration, leading to his explosive death. Each night Fitzpatrick lives he loses 5% on his chances of survival, starting with a 90% base rate of surviving Night 1; 85% of surviving Night 2; 80% Night 3; 75% Night 4, etc. He cannot win with Sander Cohen alive.

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• Martin Finnegan – A former disciple of Cohen, Finnegan was apparently locked by Cohen to die in a freezer. Earning his nickname The Iceman, Finnegan now bitter takes revenge on a player of his choice every night, attempting to freeze them. He has a 20% base rate of successfully freezing any of his targets. While frozen, a player cannot use his/her night power or Plasmids. A player remains frozen for three nights, unless unfrozen by fire. Finnegan cannot win with Sander Cohen alive.

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• Silas Cobb – Owner of Rapture Records and former disciple of Cohen, Cobb does not take lightly to being imprisoned inside Poseidon Plaza. Whenever anyone attempts to nightkill him, Cobb defends himself by attacking in response. In defense he behaves like a Nitro Splicer, and consequently hurls grenades at his attacker. He has a 35% base rate of killing his attacker two consecutive tries. Cobb cannot win with Sander Cohen alive.

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• Hector Rodriguez – Former disciple of Cohen, Rodriguez is also held prisoner in Fort Frolic, specifically in Eve’s Garden. He incessantly rambles about what Cohen put him through and the things he did for Cohen, often while drunk. Whenever anyone attempts to nightkill him, Rodriguez defends himself by attacking in response. In defense he behaves like a Nitro Splicer, albeit a drunken one, and consequently hurls grenades at his attacker in a drunken fashion. He has a 35% base rate of killing his attacker two consecutive tries, but a 50% chance of accidentally throwing the grenade each time at someone else in mistake. He cannot win with Sander Cohen alive.
If anyone could bold anything up there that looks even REMOTELY like civ bts. I would love to see it. Because I keep reading it and reading it and reading it and not seeing it. I know someone posted a "wait have you really thought out the options of civ bts?" and gave a bunch of roles and I keep trying to find it and can't. I know I'm not crazy because spacedaisy also noted that she can't see the civ bts.

I just wish I could find the quote I was looking for about the "here's all the ways there could be civ bts." because that person would likely get my vote before even boo. I'm so frustrated right now. I've tried to go through the pages and I just can't find it. and without remembering who said it I can't search it. :( In either case, whether it's vomp or boats, I just am missing how there is civ bts in this game.
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Yes I do think he's making empty threats. I said in an earlier post something along the lines of anyone could come out and say the things he's saying, there's no way to prove the truth of it other than to lynch him and then it will be too late so I don't see why anyone would attempt to actually defend themselves in such a way. I don't see it as a defense, I see it as him trying to scare people away from voting for him and I don't think we should let it work.

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Perhaps boo would like to contribute further to the discussion. People have already requested his head. I cannot imagine he has any incentive to stay quiet.

And we're still waiting to hear from Boats, are we not?

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Yes I do think he's making empty threats. I said in an earlier post something along the lines of anyone could come out and say the things he's saying, there's no way to prove the truth of it other than to lynch him and then it will be too late so I don't see why anyone would attempt to actually defend themselves in such a way. I don't see it as a defense, I see it as him trying to scare people away from voting for him and I don't think we should let it work.

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Perhaps boo would like to contribute further to the discussion. People have already requested his head. I cannot imagine he has any incentive to stay quiet.

And we're still waiting to hear from Boats, are we not?

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Yep. The ever non present Boats. I would love him to speak up.

@Bea No you are not going crazy, I see no evidence of civ btsc either. It was mooted that the security bots may have it, but that was squashed. And I had already cast doubt on that theory anyway. BTSC with six civs would have been mighty powerful.

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his incentive to stay quiet is that he laid down his gauntlet. I can't see him having more to say after his mega post, though I could be wrong. And yes - we do have yet to hear from boats.

And you know who's gotten quiet again after we gave him a pass? gob. Not one thing this whole period. And I'm guessing now that I've mentioned it, there will be more "oh, I got busy and now I am trying to do the best I can." - honestly, I was tweeked by him "playing the noob card" as soon as I mentioned it as an option. And I gave him the pass and now it's time to start playing the game.

I'll go with my fellow civs - if we want to lynch boo, I'm cool with that, but for one second don't think my eyes aren't all over gob. I'll throw votes his way in a heartbeat if he doesn't start playing the game like he says he was going to.

@ snowdog - was I crazy in thinking that someone posted a "look at all the ways there could be civ bts?" - post? Because I swore during one of my skim sessions I saw something like that, but I can't find it again for the life of me.
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bea wrote:his incentive to stay quiet is that he laid down his gauntlet. I can't see him having more to say after his mega post, though I could be wrong. And yes - we do have yet to hear from boats.

And you know who's gotten quiet again after we gave him a pass? gob. Not one thing this whole period. And I'm guessing now that I've mentioned it, there will be more "oh, I got busy and now I am trying to do the best I can." - honestly, I was tweeked by him "playing the noob card" as soon as I mentioned it as an option. And I gave him the pass and now it's time to start playing the game.

I'll go with my fellow civs - if we want to lynch boo, I'm cool with that, but for one second don't think my eyes aren't all over gob. I'll throw votes his way in a heartbeat if he doesn't start playing the game like he says he was going to.

@ snowdog - was I crazy in thinking that someone posted a "look at all the ways there could be civ bts?" - post? Because I swore during one of my skim sessions I saw something like that, but I can't find it again for the life of me.
I think someone just said that boats might have civ btsc. It might have been Disgruntled Porcupine. I am not absolutely sure. Maybe Vompatti? If I have time I will look through.

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I think more than one person has mentioned it, but I could be wrong, I've tried to go back and find it and i'm the suck at searching threads.

I think though, there might be something in the idea of people that have mentioned civ bts I know it's come up around the edges by more than one person. Since - as far as I can see, there isn't any. I'm frustrated for the night so I'm off to bed. It's just something I'd like to explore further and if someone else could help me with it, I'd be forever thankful for them for helping me follow my theory.
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Snow Dog wrote:
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Yes I do think he's making empty threats. I said in an earlier post something along the lines of anyone could come out and say the things he's saying, there's no way to prove the truth of it other than to lynch him and then it will be too late so I don't see why anyone would attempt to actually defend themselves in such a way. I don't see it as a defense, I see it as him trying to scare people away from voting for him and I don't think we should let it work.

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Perhaps boo would like to contribute further to the discussion. People have already requested his head. I cannot imagine he has any incentive to stay quiet.

And we're still waiting to hear from Boats, are we not?

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Yep. The ever non present Boats. I would love him to speak up.

@Bea No you are not going crazy, I see no evidence of civ btsc either. It was mooted that the security bots may have it, but that was squashed. And I had already cast doubt on that theory anyway. BTSC with six civs would have been mighty powerful.

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Nor do I. The closest thing is Ryan sending a name to Sullivan (hardly BTSC) and Jack getting temporary BTSC with Cohen. Someone asked when that would take place. Jack is in the Smuggler's Hideout. That means he will go to Arcadia next, then the Farmer's Market, possibly back to Arcadia, and then he arrives in Fort Frolic. I could see the Farmer's Market and the return to Arcadia possibly being passed over though.

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Epignosis wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
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Yes I do think he's making empty threats. I said in an earlier post something along the lines of anyone could come out and say the things he's saying, there's no way to prove the truth of it other than to lynch him and then it will be too late so I don't see why anyone would attempt to actually defend themselves in such a way. I don't see it as a defense, I see it as him trying to scare people away from voting for him and I don't think we should let it work.

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Perhaps boo would like to contribute further to the discussion. People have already requested his head. I cannot imagine he has any incentive to stay quiet.

And we're still waiting to hear from Boats, are we not?

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Yep. The ever non present Boats. I would love him to speak up.

@Bea No you are not going crazy, I see no evidence of civ btsc either. It was mooted that the security bots may have it, but that was squashed. And I had already cast doubt on that theory anyway. BTSC with six civs would have been mighty powerful.

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Nor do I. The closest thing is Ryan sending a name to Sullivan (hardly BTSC) and Jack getting temporary BTSC with Cohen. Someone asked when that would take place. Jack is in the Smuggler's Hideout. That means he will go to Arcadia next, then the Farmer's Market, possibly back to Arcadia, and then he arrives in Fort Frolic. I could see the Farmer's Market and the return to Arcadia possibly being passed over though.

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but that's JUST IT. Neither Jack or Cohen are civs.
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Yes I do think he's making empty threats. I said in an earlier post something along the lines of anyone could come out and say the things he's saying, there's no way to prove the truth of it other than to lynch him and then it will be too late so I don't see why anyone would attempt to actually defend themselves in such a way. I don't see it as a defense, I see it as him trying to scare people away from voting for him and I don't think we should let it work.

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And we're still waiting to hear from Boats, are we not?

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Because I'm more interested in the headsplosion that will be my lynch result (being my incentive).

DH will most certainly (unless you all nub it up, I suppose I should expect that as well, people can be terribly disappointing) get lynched the following day (if he survives the night), and that is a result I would like to see more then I would like to see myself not be lynched as well.

As for the nubs who think there even is 'civvies' in the standard sense. Read the roles.

Ryan and the morally ambiguous 1: If Ryan dies, every single role in that group has to kill the rest in that group in order to win. If that's your idea of a civvie-minded team, you a damn fool.

Morally ambiguous 2: Have no idea who the splicers and security bots are. These are roles that can kill. I do not like roles that can kill being alive to kill me, so as a morally ambiguous 2, the only people I feel comfortable keeping around are other morally ambiguous 2. There's an excellent chance in this sub group you will need Ryan dead (which then unleashes even more group 1 kills via the bots, and makes the kills a bizarre frenzy murderfest). Essentially, for these 13 roles, another 12 supposedly 'civvie' roles dying, is probably in their best interest. Once again... if that sounds civvie to you, you a damn fool. Not to mention, there are roles in there with potentially different win conditions (some started needing Cohen dead, others did not. For those who can, they have to decide whether they would rather have those roles in the same group as them alive to win, or Cohen and his dancers).

Then there are the actual baddies in a team of 5 and a team of 3. Need all of them dead (or rather, most, but that's a small detail, so we'll ignore it for simplicity), that's the only unifying factor for all morally ambiguous... not much unifying.

Then there's an indy team. How confident are you they will remain that (if they still are)?

Essentially, unless you have BTSC (which I do not), no one is 'civvie'. If you're a morally ambiguous 1 or 2, and think your good feelings, or even 'facts', ever suggest someone is someone you can trust, you're probably not paying enough attention, and it will probably get you killed. If you do have BTSC, you're a baddie, so I suppose you can just think of everyone else as civvies who need dying if it makes your head hurt less.

If you see a standard civvie team in ANY of this, then once again, and say it with me, you a damn fool.

As a role that's as close to civvie as you can get, my only interests in this game (in order of importance) are 1) Surviving and 2) Killing a whole 8 roles in a game with 36 (7 if we get them in a good order). Once it became apparent that even if I survive this lynch, I will not likely go on long, I figure hey, why not adopt the strategy of playing like a psycho (it has, so far, been a successful counter-lynching strategy, but seems to result in heavy NK casualties). Now, being me, I cannot accomplish this via a self-vote (I am not that fervently anti-acting like there's a typical civ group, like some others have been). And so I went with something that I suspected would draw out those I want to see you kill, preferably sooner rather then later, while also giving me at least SOME of that 'so crazy we can't lynch them' edge that has been working so well for people (in a format I prefer), or getting me killed and bringing down some people with roles that - had I survived - I would have wanted to see eliminated. Win-win as far as I'm concerned when I no longer need to bother being concerned with an actual win.

As for your bringing up the 'lynch switch or some other threat bit' I said in the last post, I did not mean something I have, I meant something else that would act like a lynch switch MP threw into the game (lynch switches generally require switching to someone with a vote, so you never want a public vote. But there may be something in this game that is not a lynch switch, but similarly can kill you if you have taken a public vote. DO YOU know what all the plasmids do? I don't.). I fully expect there could be such a thing, if you're not, I'm glad you're so optimistic, I will laugh at your pain if it gets you killed, and will consider myself better off for having considered the possibility even if I turn out to be wrong.
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bea wrote:his incentive to stay quiet is that he laid down his gauntlet. I can't see him having more to say after his mega post, though I could be wrong. And yes - we do have yet to hear from boats.

And you know who's gotten quiet again after we gave him a pass? gob. Not one thing this whole period. And I'm guessing now that I've mentioned it, there will be more "oh, I got busy and now I am trying to do the best I can." - honestly, I was tweeked by him "playing the noob card" as soon as I mentioned it as an option. And I gave him the pass and now it's time to start playing the game.

I'll go with my fellow civs - if we want to lynch boo, I'm cool with that, but for one second don't think my eyes aren't all over gob. I'll throw votes his way in a heartbeat if he doesn't start playing the game like he says he was going to.

@ snowdog - was I crazy in thinking that someone posted a "look at all the ways there could be civ bts?" - post? Because I swore during one of my skim sessions I saw something like that, but I can't find it again for the life of me.
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Russtifinko wrote:RIPIYWG Eloh and Lizzy!
nutella wrote: I feel kind of bad for the non-contest-participants since we really are taking over the thread :/ Though I also feel bad for Russti because it seems he'll lose because he was gone, that seems kinda unfair but whatever :/

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That's ok, nutella. It' my fault for signing up and being gone. If I lose I'll take the consequences.

My very sincere thanks to Epi for the sparknotes of the sparknotes, and to DH for this enlightening and easy-to-follow catchup. I read up for myself and I think I'm more or less back on board now, and I'm not entirely sure I could have done it without you guys.
Apologies to our host for having been very in-and-out this game; I'll be really pissed if anything else comes up to stop me from being involved, but I doubt it will.
DharmaHelper wrote:Russ, I will try and collect as much suspicions as I can for your perusement! Perusment? Perusing.

I make a compelling and sexy case on a few people here

Boo is acting a fool and is suspected (at least by me) once more due to his posts here and here

I explain in more detail why those posts are suspicious here and here and in some other places as well but I wanna hit as much as possible as quickly as possible.

People are finding boats suspicious for this reason

beas post here has some people thinking she was insincere. As well as her general "confused tee hee" vibe.

Alot of silent players/wacky players are coming under fire for being silent or wacky (INH, Vomps, Dex,)

People are pretty sure Epignosis is a nub,

I'm not confident about nutella based on this exchange But not enough to put a vote out.
Trying very hard to see if I missed anything. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head. Alot of the bullz stuff is in that first link case, and in the discussion shortly thereafter.

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My top suspect is definitely boo, and in fact that's where my vote is going today.

votes boo

I don't like role hinting as a rule, because I think it's against the spirit of the game, and I especially don't like threats disguised as role hints. Boo's response also seems pretty over-the-top considering he was one of a fairly large number of suspects.

If he's evil will it make others feel better about Aces? I think I would, based on their interesting Day 1 interaction (the one that drew a lot of votes for Aces on Day 2, where Aces didn't explain his boo vote and then boo revenge-voted him).

Boats is probably my #2 right now because of how fast he caught up. I know from personal experience that's not possible, and it may have been a slip.

bea's vote looks bad, but I haven't gotten the insincere vibe from her that others have. I'll keep an eye on her, but she's fairly far behind my top 2 for now.

I don't think Epi's a nub. I think llama's lynch shows us that his method for finding baddies isn't perfect (and is, perhaps, a cautionary tale against tunnel vision), but whose is perfect? I think so far he's done a great job of baddie sniffing. (1 of 2 is great in a game with, what 24 civs and 12 non-civs?)

I'll need to reread Bullz and nutella tomorrow. DH too, although that's a book at this point, since I think Epi mentioned he was being suspected. Those are my main thoughts for now, I guess.

Oh! And I'm totally up in the air about Dex now. I was leaning bad on him, but I'm less sure since better suspects are emerging. I think I said before, we'd have been pretty lucky to have 2 of our 3 top vote-getters be bad on Day 2. However, I think the following is a brilliant explanation of why wacky players are harmful no matter what their alignment. I've actually gotten a lot less wackiness from Vomps than usual this game, but it applies to Dex and a few others, I think.
DharmaHelper wrote: I just want to address the whole Vomps thing for a minute, Snow. I've seen alot of players who develop similar "wacky" personas that people can use to excuse otherwise baddie behavior. They do dumb stuff because they know they can get away with it. I can name a few people off the top of my head who do this and to be quite honest, as the game progresses, that behavior becomes less and less tolerable. I know we're playing a game, but we're also trying to compete when it comes down to it. And when we have people who are not competing, contributing, etc, or who are acting wacky for the sake of acting wacky, it lessens our chances of competing successfully. Because either A) Their acting wacky, catch flak, and are civ or B) Their acting wacky, get excused, and are bad.

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Ugh, sorry I'm just now posting. I drove over 6 hours yesterday for work (crossed about half of NC) then after all that driving still had to go survey new sites which meant more driving. So I collapsed when I got to my hotel. I have at least another 6 hours of driving ahead of me today.

I should get home in time to vote tonight. I could vote now, but with boo's latest post I am feeling ridiculously unsure at the moment.
bea wrote:I think more than one person has mentioned it, but I could be wrong, I've tried to go back and find it and i'm the suck at searching threads.

I think though, there might be something in the idea of people that have mentioned civ bts I know it's come up around the edges by more than one person. Since - as far as I can see, there isn't any. I'm frustrated for the night so I'm off to bed. It's just something I'd like to explore further and if someone else could help me with it, I'd be forever thankful for them for helping me follow my theory.
Bea, I think this is the post you were thinking of.
Boomslang wrote:Well, Boat's catching up was a slip that he has BTSC with someone, not necessarily that he's bad. What people should really be considering is how many civs have BTSC vs. how many baddies have BTSC. Based on my reading of the rules, Ryan and Sullivan have some communication with each other, the Fontaine crew has full BTSC, and Cohen has BTSC with Jack at a certain point that I don't think we've reached yet. I'm sure there are secrets, but these are the main communications. Dr. Suchong is already down, so the odds seem more half and half that Boat's BTSC is bad.
Boomslang interprets the odds of Boats having civvie BTSC as more "half and half" but in this explanation aren't Ryan and Sullivan the only two civvies with any form of communication and as Epig said, that is hardly BTSC. Not sure how Boomslang got to "half and half" from that.

I feel like I could definitely see Boats as bad.

And while I may alone in this, I don't think we should forget about Dex (even if he now doesn't want to be lynched because he's dead in all of his other games).

Hopefully there won't be hours worth of catching up to do when I get home tonight so that I can read everything before voting.

I'll be back tonight.
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bea wrote:
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Yes I do think he's making empty threats. I said in an earlier post something along the lines of anyone could come out and say the things he's saying, there's no way to prove the truth of it other than to lynch him and then it will be too late so I don't see why anyone would attempt to actually defend themselves in such a way. I don't see it as a defense, I see it as him trying to scare people away from voting for him and I don't think we should let it work.

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Perhaps boo would like to contribute further to the discussion. People have already requested his head. I cannot imagine he has any incentive to stay quiet.

And we're still waiting to hear from Boats, are we not?

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Yep. The ever non present Boats. I would love him to speak up.

@Bea No you are not going crazy, I see no evidence of civ btsc either. It was mooted that the security bots may have it, but that was squashed. And I had already cast doubt on that theory anyway. BTSC with six civs would have been mighty powerful.

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Nor do I. The closest thing is Ryan sending a name to Sullivan (hardly BTSC) and Jack getting temporary BTSC with Cohen. Someone asked when that would take place. Jack is in the Smuggler's Hideout. That means he will go to Arcadia next, then the Farmer's Market, possibly back to Arcadia, and then he arrives in Fort Frolic. I could see the Farmer's Market and the return to Arcadia possibly being passed over though.

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but that's JUST IT. Neither Jack or Cohen are civs.
Right, but Cohen is something of a bizarre independent. He only becomes a "normal baddie" if he gets five votes.

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I need to read and catch up. As I read I will be responding to whatever catches my eye.
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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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AceofSpaces wrote:I need to read and catch up. As I read I will be responding to whatever catches my eye.
I am definitely interested in hearing what you have to say about all this. I am especially eager to know what you think of boo now. I hope I not a damn fool.

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Re: [NIGHT 3] Bioshock Mafia

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Vompatti wrote:I told you llama was good.

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So now that we all know you were right about llama, is there anyone specifically you are looking at? What are your thoughts on the people who voted for llama. You said your vote would be going to one of them. Do you have any idea which one?

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It's a Vompatti trap. he isn't in the event so you probs need to reduce your post count by one.
I aplologgize if I have caused any confusino. I hionesty had no diea I'm not supposed to number my posts. :shrug:
There you go Mongoose. Though for the record I don't buy that it was a sinister attempt to boost/lower any legitimate posts. I still stick by my earlier statement though, that for everything there is a season. A time to be wacky and a time to compete.

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(Keep in mind that I am responding to these as I read them.)


As someone who actually fell for his "trick" I can say I don't think he did it on purpose. I know if I saw a bunch of people numbering their post and what not in a MP game, I'd do the same thing. You can never be too careful. As far as the "a time to be wacky" thing goes. I agree. That shit ends after day 1. Zany Dex, for example, has been Zany this whole game, and has yet to contribute anything meaningful to the cause. Something to keep in mind going forward.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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AceofSpaces wrote:I need to read and catch up. As I read I will be responding to whatever catches my eye.
I am definitely interested in hearing what you have to say about all this. I am especially eager to know what you think of boo now. I hope I not a damn fool.

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AceofSpaces wrote:I need to read and catch up. As I read I will be responding to whatever catches my eye.
I am definitely interested in hearing what you have to say about all this. I am especially eager to know what you think of boo now. I hope I not a damn fool.

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AceofSpaces wrote:I need to read and catch up. As I read I will be responding to whatever catches my eye.
I am definitely interested in hearing what you have to say about all this. I am especially eager to know what you think of boo now. I hope I not a damn fool.

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As someone who actually fell for his "trick" I can say I don't think he did it on purpose. I know if I saw a bunch of people numbering their post and what not in a MP game, I'd do the same thing. You can never be too careful. As far as the "a time to be wacky" thing goes. I agree. That shit ends after day 1. Zany Dex, for example, has been Zany this whole game, and has yet to contribute anything meaningful to the cause. Something to keep in mind going forward.

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I agree with you about Dex and the foolishness ending after Day 1. As I mentioned earlier, if he is bad and his intent was to be so silly that people wouldn't lynch him, then it's working like a charm. His last post only shows that he's doubling down on the inzanity.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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Epignosis wrote:
AceofSpaces wrote:I need to read and catch up. As I read I will be responding to whatever catches my eye.
I am definitely interested in hearing what you have to say about all this. I am especially eager to know what you think of boo now. I hope I not a damn fool.

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I am amused that boo's new thing is "If I can get lynched and that leads to DH getting lynched then hurray!". Because if boo's goal is for me to lose, then beating him will carry with it some great satisfaction whether he turns up bad or not. Having offered no legitimate defense, I can assume that he probably will turn up bad. :yay:

Had he made any effort to defend himself I would probably think differently (As Bullz and Nev have) but this just screams arrogance, and I cannot abide arrogance.

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Vompatti wrote:
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DharmaHelper wrote:@Epig yeah that sucks about Eloh. She had like a 80% chance of surviving last night or something? Those odds are pretty good, though I guess they're also similar to being hit by a splicer and look how that turned out for Lizzy. :|
I don't understand why the baddies would want Lizzy dead. A lot of us were suspecting her pretty seriously. They must have gotten a good read on her actual role to have wanted her dead so badly.

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I wholeheartedly agree and furthermore wish to point out that I was and hopefully still am strongly suspected as Lizzy's (civ) teammate. :srsnod:

xD What?

@People in the competition. Did y'all see this? I'm not sure what to make of that. Lizzy was killed by a splicer right? So she could have been any other role. But Vomps sure does seem to be quick to say he knows who the Civies are. First with llama, then with Lizzy. Odd, if you ask me.

Added: @ Epi and Boo. I still have a few pages to read, but right now I am still suspicious of him. The last thing I said about him stands, he seems quick to suspect whoever suspects him, which I find bad.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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DharmaHelper wrote:
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AceofSpaces wrote:I need to read and catch up. As I read I will be responding to whatever catches my eye.
I am definitely interested in hearing what you have to say about all this. I am especially eager to know what you think of boo now. I hope I not a damn fool.

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I am amused that boo's new thing is "If I can get lynched and that leads to DH getting lynched then hurray!". Because if boo's goal is for me to lose, then beating him will carry with it some great satisfaction whether he turns up bad or not. Having offered no legitimate defense, I can assume that he probably will turn up bad. :yay:

Had he made any effort to defend himself I would probably think differently (As Bullz and Nev have) but this just screams arrogance, and I cannot abide arrogance.

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If it's such a bad thing for us to lynch boo, then one must wonder why he has been behaving like this since the beginning. His retaliatory vote on AceofSpaces was one thing, but look at the tone:
boo wrote:Voting Aces... and apparently I don't need a reason for it (although if it isn't obvious, you're a big a nub as he is).
If your death means woe and suffering, why act in a way that rather invites a lynching?

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bea wrote:I think more than one person has mentioned it, but I could be wrong, I've tried to go back and find it and i'm the suck at searching threads.

I think though, there might be something in the idea of people that have mentioned civ bts I know it's come up around the edges by more than one person. Since - as far as I can see, there isn't any. I'm frustrated for the night so I'm off to bed. It's just something I'd like to explore further and if someone else could help me with it, I'd be forever thankful for them for helping me follow my theory.
I don't know of any civ *roles* that grant btsc, but there is a plasmid that's capable of doing so. I think it's a little unlikely at this point though.
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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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Nevinera wrote:
bea wrote:I think more than one person has mentioned it, but I could be wrong, I've tried to go back and find it and i'm the suck at searching threads.

I think though, there might be something in the idea of people that have mentioned civ bts I know it's come up around the edges by more than one person. Since - as far as I can see, there isn't any. I'm frustrated for the night so I'm off to bed. It's just something I'd like to explore further and if someone else could help me with it, I'd be forever thankful for them for helping me follow my theory.
I don't know of any civ *roles* that grant btsc, but there is a plasmid that's capable of doing so. I think it's a little unlikely at this point though.
Nevinera, who is most likely to get your vote today, and what is your opinion of boo's posts?

Perhaps it's possible that Vompatti had temporary BTSC with Lizzy and llama, since he was confident of both of them. That would explain quite a bit, I think. Unfortunately, it's easy to write off Vompatti for his eccentricities.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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boo wrote:Well, prepare for the most clever of defense cases that you will ever read.

1. As has been pointed out, I was not happy about taking a single vote. Perhaps it's because I perceive my role as one that no one (well... maybe a few, there are secrets and I may have missed a few things in a few roles) should want lynched, and certainly shouldn't be putting votes on. No one likes the threat of a lynch switch... among other things.

2. My lynch would almost certainly set the civvies back another lynch, probably even 2, from the position you currently sit at.

3. Even if I am not lynched today, if you don't look to better cases and I am within a certain number - that I already have in mind - of votes to the top vote getter, you can expect me to go out trolling (as I would expect to be killed not long after this lynch if I am within the number of votes).

Now, a few people will probably decide I'm a liar. A few may even take a risk and try to call me out on it, continuing to push for my lynch. If they got their way, I would in exchange for my foolish lynching expect you to lynch off most (not all, certainly there will just be some who do not understand what I am saying and decide to vote for me anyways, but most) of them in the near future, as you figure out who simply was ignorant of my meaning, and who knew exactly what I meant but decided to try and kill me anyways (I think it would be reasonably easy to get it figured out, for the most part).

Do with that what you will.

And: in before 'clearly he has some kind of protect and knows even if he is the top voter getter he will not be lynched'. If I have the most votes, I expect to be lynched like anyone else would, I have no lynch pardon, switch, or ability to end the day early (or anything else you may be able to think of).

Lastly, I feel no need to hold my vote to save myself. Either I won't be near the top of the votes, I will be near the top but not lynched, and then show you why that was a bad idea not long after, or I will be lynched and you'll understand why it was such a bad idea. So, I am once again voting Aces. I like the Boats case, but if it winds up being my last vote, I just want it to feel right, you know?

@Epi. (And Boo too)
Something happened last night. I can't say what. But after reading this, I'm starting to put things together. I would not recommend lynching Boo. I don't know if he is 100% good or bad, but I have reason to doubt my previous theories on him. I still don't know why he would be so reckless with his life today. It doesn't make sense with who I now think he is.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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Boomslang wrote:Well, Boat's catching up was a slip that he has BTSC with someone, not necessarily that he's bad. What people should really be considering is how many civs have BTSC vs. how many baddies have BTSC. Based on my reading of the rules, Ryan and Sullivan have some communication with each other, the Fontaine crew has full BTSC, and Cohen has BTSC with Jack at a certain point that I don't think we've reached yet. I'm sure there are secrets, but these are the main communications. Dr. Suchong is already down, so the odds seem more half and half that Boat's BTSC is bad.
Epignosis, Aces, did you guys remember bea's asking about who made civ BTSC comments? Well, I certainly did and looked back to see the source of it as I also remembered reading that in my catch up. Some things I would like to point out to folks such as but not limited to Epignosis, Aces, Bullz, nutella, you get the idea etc etc:

1) Ryan does not have BTSC with Sullivan. Ryan sends Sullivan a name to kill through the hosts on even nights.

2) Fontaines Crew are mafia. Or at least as close to mafia as can be interpreted, given their propensity for killing, their btsc, and their win conditions. And the whole thing with everyone being super stoked Suchong was lynched.

3. Cohen is more indy than civvie, given that he has the posibility of going...well...indy. And Jack is in Fontaine's Crew, refer to number 2.

Anyway I think the bigger point here is that any btsc that is not directly related to a team of killers is either temporary or non existant, nothing that could certainly have occured quickly enough for boat's catch up to be excused as civ btsc.

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Re: [DAY 4] Bioshock Mafia

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DharmaHelper wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Well, Boat's catching up was a slip that he has BTSC with someone, not necessarily that he's bad. What people should really be considering is how many civs have BTSC vs. how many baddies have BTSC. Based on my reading of the rules, Ryan and Sullivan have some communication with each other, the Fontaine crew has full BTSC, and Cohen has BTSC with Jack at a certain point that I don't think we've reached yet. I'm sure there are secrets, but these are the main communications. Dr. Suchong is already down, so the odds seem more half and half that Boat's BTSC is bad.
Epignosis, Aces, did you guys remember bea's asking about who made civ BTSC comments? Well, I certainly did and looked back to see the source of it as I also remembered reading that in my catch up. Some things I would like to point out to folks such as but not limited to Epignosis, Aces, Bullz, nutella, you get the idea etc etc:

1) Ryan does not have BTSC with Sullivan. Ryan sends Sullivan a name to kill through the hosts on even nights.

2) Fontaines Crew are mafia. Or at least as close to mafia as can be interpreted, given their propensity for killing, their btsc, and their win conditions. And the whole thing with everyone being super stoked Suchong was lynched.

3. Cohen is more indy than civvie, given that he has the posibility of going...well...indy. And Jack is in Fontaine's Crew, refer to number 2.

Anyway I think the bigger point here is that any btsc that is not directly related to a team of killers is either temporary or non existant, nothing that could certainly have occured quickly enough for boat's catch up to be excused as civ btsc.

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As long as I am on this page, I wanted to say I agree with this. I'm catching up right now, and I'm going at a snails pace. Boats catching up as quick as he did can only be BTSC. As DH just showed, that leans heavily towards boats being a baddie.
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AceofSpaces wrote:
boo wrote:Well, prepare for the most clever of defense cases that you will ever read.

1. As has been pointed out, I was not happy about taking a single vote. Perhaps it's because I perceive my role as one that no one (well... maybe a few, there are secrets and I may have missed a few things in a few roles) should want lynched, and certainly shouldn't be putting votes on. No one likes the threat of a lynch switch... among other things.

2. My lynch would almost certainly set the civvies back another lynch, probably even 2, from the position you currently sit at.

3. Even if I am not lynched today, if you don't look to better cases and I am within a certain number - that I already have in mind - of votes to the top vote getter, you can expect me to go out trolling (as I would expect to be killed not long after this lynch if I am within the number of votes).

Now, a few people will probably decide I'm a liar. A few may even take a risk and try to call me out on it, continuing to push for my lynch. If they got their way, I would in exchange for my foolish lynching expect you to lynch off most (not all, certainly there will just be some who do not understand what I am saying and decide to vote for me anyways, but most) of them in the near future, as you figure out who simply was ignorant of my meaning, and who knew exactly what I meant but decided to try and kill me anyways (I think it would be reasonably easy to get it figured out, for the most part).

Do with that what you will.

And: in before 'clearly he has some kind of protect and knows even if he is the top voter getter he will not be lynched'. If I have the most votes, I expect to be lynched like anyone else would, I have no lynch pardon, switch, or ability to end the day early (or anything else you may be able to think of).

Lastly, I feel no need to hold my vote to save myself. Either I won't be near the top of the votes, I will be near the top but not lynched, and then show you why that was a bad idea not long after, or I will be lynched and you'll understand why it was such a bad idea. So, I am once again voting Aces. I like the Boats case, but if it winds up being my last vote, I just want it to feel right, you know?

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Something happened last night. I can't say what. But after reading this, I'm starting to put things together. I would not recommend lynching Boo. I don't know if he is 100% good or bad, but I have reason to doubt my previous theories on him. I still don't know why he would be so reckless with his life today. It doesn't make sense with who I now think he is.

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I think I may understand your meaning. What do you think he means about liking the Boats case but wanting to vote for you anyway? He was the first person to vote. And he said he didn't feel the need to save his vote in case he needed to save himself. I just don't get that.

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Interesting boo. I have never seen anyone so angry about receiving votes. As of right now I am divided between boo and Boats but I am leaning towards boo. Both of his large posts are filled with malicious intent and I just don't trust him right now. If no one sees a good reason not to lynch boo in the current Day then I will definitely be casting my vote for him and will likely be voting for Boats in the next lynch.

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You don't see my case against boo as compelling? I'm offended! On a serious note, his defense seems to have gone from "Nope not defending myself" to "Fuck you lol lynch me IDK eat a dong". Neither are very civvie ways to play and one is a very rude way to play. Boats may be bad but I feel my case on boo is strong, and I feel his recent posts have been worthy of a slap in the face :P vote boo
Don't be so funny - I work in a library! I did literally LOL at your fake Boo Radley quote. I do find it compelling, I just felt more drawn toward Boats this time. I will definitely focus on the other Bs next time for sure. Maybe Boats and Boo Radley are both ones to vote for.

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I was in a library when I read that, and I laughed. :haha:

DharmaHelper- there is so little "evidence" because it is Day 4 and BoatsBoatsBoats has posted a grand total of seven times. His third one smells funny to me:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 735#p23735

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Has anyone put together a voting record for Boats? I don't have the time right now to look for it. That might be useful, considering his lack of post.

Added: @Epi,

Yeah, that is the part that has me going "Whhhaaaa?" I think boo has been playing with tunnel vision against me, which is a big mistake in mafia games. So that, to me, explains why he would early vote me. Why he would be so reckless with his own life though, especially when in his own post he talked about how bad it would be for everyone for him to get lynched... I don't know. That doesn't add up at all.

Added: I can't say what happened exactly, only that I believe boo has been playing with tunnel vision against me, and that I now I reason to believe that we were both wrong about each other. That is really all I can say about it. I will stress though, do not lynch boo. If I'm right, then lynching him would be bad.

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You don't see my case against boo as compelling? I'm offended! On a serious note, his defense seems to have gone from "Nope not defending myself" to "Fuck you lol lynch me IDK eat a dong". Neither are very civvie ways to play and one is a very rude way to play. Boats may be bad but I feel my case on boo is strong, and I feel his recent posts have been worthy of a slap in the face :P vote boo
Don't be so funny - I work in a library! I did literally LOL at your fake Boo Radley quote. I do find it compelling, I just felt more drawn toward Boats this time. I will definitely focus on the other Bs next time for sure. Maybe Boats and Boo Radley are both ones to vote for.

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I was in a library when I read that, and I laughed. :haha:

DharmaHelper- there is so little "evidence" because it is Day 4 and BoatsBoatsBoats has posted a grand total of seven times. His third one smells funny to me:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 735#p23735

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Has anyone put together a voting record for Boats? I don't have the time right now to look for it. That might be useful, considering his lack of post.

Added: @Epi,

Yeah, that is the part that has me going "Whhhaaaa?" I think boo has been playing with tunnel vision against me, which is a big mistake in mafia games. So that, to me, explains why he would early vote me. Why he would be so reckless with his own life though, especially when in his own post he talked about how bad it would be for everyone for him to get lynched... I don't know. That doesn't add up at all.

Added: I can't say what happened exactly, only that I believe boo has been playing with tunnel vision against me, and that I now I reason to believe that we were both wrong about each other. That is really all I can say about it. I will stress though, do not lynch boo. If I'm right, then lynching him would be bad.

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I did pull up Boats' voting record. I'll be hard pressed to find it, so I just looked it up again.

Day 1 Boats missed the vote.
Day 2 Boats missed the vote.
Day 3, Boats voted for himself.

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@Aces: I will definitely take that into consideration. I'm still not entirely convinced, though. Something isn't adding up here.
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nutella wrote:
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I was in a library when I read that, and I laughed. :haha:

DharmaHelper- there is so little "evidence" because it is Day 4 and BoatsBoatsBoats has posted a grand total of seven times. His third one smells funny to me:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 735#p23735

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I agree with this. Boats only has a few posts, and pretty much all of them ping me in some way or another. Another point worth mentioning is his self-vote, which I know was discussed as a wifom/risky thing to do, but combined with the rest of his oddness only makes him look worse IMO.

I'm still not sure what to think about Boo. DH may be right to think it's BS. But I'm also still looking a bit at Bullzeye:
Bullzeye wrote: I still think Boats is suspcious but I'm pretty much the reverse of where you're at. I'd like to see Boo or Bea lynched today in the hope that one of them is BWT's teammate.
This just rubs me the wrong way. He wants to lynch either Boo or Bea even though he is basically in the same boat as them, "in hopes that" one of them is BWT's teammate -- seems like he wants to discredit the possibility that he's BWT's teammate. :eye:


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This is actually a pretty good point, and something to keep in mind. Bullz is just as suspicious, and the timing of his vote actually fits with trying to save BWT (if I remember correctly.) He has also been quick to deflect everyone's attention away from him, but agreeing with DH on Boo and what not. I might throw my vote his way today.


@Epi: Well that voting record doesn't really say much. Boats has obviously not been playing too much. Which only makes the idea that he had someone tell him about whats been going on even more possible. The way I see it, he's either an inactive civie who has no intention of helping us catch the baddies, or he is an inactive baddie and his team told him what was going on, so he slipped and said he caught up in 10 minutes.
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Okay, so Boats' voting has contributed absolutely nothing to date. And as we see that BTSC very likely means baddie, I will *vote Boats*.

Also, Boomslang is definitely on my radar now.
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Also, I just noticed that boo has received 5 votes already. So if he is Cohen, he is now independant (bad).
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Nevinera wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
I am actually leaning towards if one of the people in my original case is bwt's team mate, then someone else in that net is also bwt's teammate. I have a hard time believing with the vote that close, and the game that young, bwt's team hung him out to dry. If it were me I would have done anything and everything this early to keep a teammate alive and would have just rolled with the punches depending on how Ace flipped. I guess I could be mistaken, but I'm 70% sure both teammates are in that pool, and 99% sure at least one is.

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I'm with you on the latter, but I don't think most baddie teams would gamble to that degree. In fact, if it were my team, one of us would have tried to save, and the other would have been among the most strident accusers (but not me!), trying to build sufficient credit to make it alone if the save fails. On the other hand, if we get one of them, the odds of finding another in the remaining two still seem high enough that I'd give that a shot with you. Better than guessing, for sure.

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Just wanted to say that I believe that both BWT's teammates would have tried to save him. The vote was so close, it wouldn't have made sense to abandon BWT. There is a possibility one of them voted early, and *couldn't* try to help BWT, but I doubt they intentionally left BWT out to dry.

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