I have no idea what this means so you're probably safe.S~V~S wrote:Not sure how far I can go. Things did or did not happen as I might or might not have expected that seemed to correspond to TH being or not being AFK?Sloonei wrote:Are you legally permitted to elaborate?S~V~S wrote:In retrospect, based on what did & did not happen to me, and based on timing, I am inclined to believe that TH is in fact a Don.
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So first I don't care enough about being lynched and now I cared too much?Sloonei wrote:I don't like Dom's refusal to accept that he's a valid suspect. I also don't like his exasperation in the face of being lynched, strangely. He just got here. I don't think a townie who just showed up this late in a game would be as passionate about being lynched as he's been.
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When did I ever imply the former point?Dom wrote:So first I don't care enough about being lynched and now I cared too much?Sloonei wrote:I don't like Dom's refusal to accept that he's a valid suspect. I also don't like his exasperation in the face of being lynched, strangely. He just got here. I don't think a townie who just showed up this late in a game would be as passionate about being lynched as he's been.
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Maybe you didn't, but either you or Prisoner have.Sloonei wrote:When did I ever imply the former point?Dom wrote:So first I don't care enough about being lynched and now I cared too much?Sloonei wrote:I don't like Dom's refusal to accept that he's a valid suspect. I also don't like his exasperation in the face of being lynched, strangely. He just got here. I don't think a townie who just showed up this late in a game would be as passionate about being lynched as he's been.
God this is the most bullshit case I've ever given but somehow I believe it.
And, frankly, it's exhausting to replace into a huge game and almost immediately take heat for reasons you don't understand that often contradict each other. I've been told I care too much and too little about being lynched. I've been told that I don't have enough thoughts and that I am too willing to vote on thoughts etc.
Surely you can understand how that's frustrating.
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I can, and if you're a townie the treatment of you in this game has been nothing frustrating. But surely you can understand why you have to be looked at the way we have been looking at you. We've got at least 4 bad guys to catch in a 10 person game. The whole game has seen one vocal townie after another get lynched and it became apparent days ago that we've had a number of townies at each other's throats all game long. There's a small handful of players who provided absolutely no content during all of this time, and your predecessors are a part of this group. As a bad guy subbing in late to the game, it is reasonable for us to speculate that you would want to jump into the activity right away to distance yourself from the Lurker Scum label.Dom wrote:Maybe you didn't, but either you or Prisoner have.Sloonei wrote:When did I ever imply the former point?Dom wrote:So first I don't care enough about being lynched and now I cared too much?Sloonei wrote:I don't like Dom's refusal to accept that he's a valid suspect. I also don't like his exasperation in the face of being lynched, strangely. He just got here. I don't think a townie who just showed up this late in a game would be as passionate about being lynched as he's been.
God this is the most bullshit case I've ever given but somehow I believe it.
And, frankly, it's exhausting to replace into a huge game and almost immediately take heat for reasons you don't understand that often contradict each other. I've been told I care too much and too little about being lynched. I've been told that I don't have enough thoughts and that I am too willing to vote on thoughts etc.
Surely you can understand how that's frustrating.
I understand that it is also reasonable for you as a townie to want to dive in and help us figure things out. It's been said before, but you practically can't win here. I understand your frustration if it is genuine, but at this stage in the game I can't approach you any differently than this.
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There's more shortsightedness here than in a obstetrician's office from The Shire.
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My joke would have been more effective had I gone with "optometrist's office," but I'm not a doctor.Epignosis wrote:There's more shortsightedness here than in a obstetrician's office from The Shire.
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Can't you?Sloonei wrote:I can, and if you're a townie the treatment of you in this game has been nothing frustrating. But surely you can understand why you have to be looked at the way we have been looking at you. We've got at least 4 bad guys to catch in a 10 person game. The whole game has seen one vocal townie after another get lynched and it became apparent days ago that we've had a number of townies at each other's throats all game long. There's a small handful of players who provided absolutely no content during all of this time, and your predecessors are a part of this group. As a bad guy subbing in late to the game, it is reasonable for us to speculate that you would want to jump into the activity right away to distance yourself from the Lurker Scum label.Dom wrote:Maybe you didn't, but either you or Prisoner have.Sloonei wrote:When did I ever imply the former point?Dom wrote:So first I don't care enough about being lynched and now I cared too much?Sloonei wrote:I don't like Dom's refusal to accept that he's a valid suspect. I also don't like his exasperation in the face of being lynched, strangely. He just got here. I don't think a townie who just showed up this late in a game would be as passionate about being lynched as he's been.
God this is the most bullshit case I've ever given but somehow I believe it.
And, frankly, it's exhausting to replace into a huge game and almost immediately take heat for reasons you don't understand that often contradict each other. I've been told I care too much and too little about being lynched. I've been told that I don't have enough thoughts and that I am too willing to vote on thoughts etc.
Surely you can understand how that's frustrating.
I understand that it is also reasonable for you as a townie to want to dive in and help us figure things out. It's been said before, but you practically can't win here. I understand your frustration if it is genuine, but at this stage in the game I can't approach you any differently than this.
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I rolled a 10-sided dice and it said I'm scum. No methods are working here.
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Without looking at the front page, how many roles are there that can escape a lynch? Go.
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Maybe its trying to tell you something.Prisoner 509378 wrote:I rolled a 10-sided dice and it said I'm scum. No methods are working here.
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Who is looking at the front page?Epignosis wrote:Without looking at the front page, how many roles are there that can escape a lynch? Go.
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Regardless of how many there are, I think TH survived for a legit civ reason.
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I don't. Not if we cannot both survive for civvie reasons.
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My question wasn't rhetorical.
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Give me a number then. Pick a number and give it to me.Dom wrote:I don't. Not if we cannot both survive for civvie reasons.
I really wish to hell that TH was here. This would be so much easier to figure out.
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Ain't hard guys. No need to fight.
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No, I can't. There are at least 4 baddies left out of 8 players to choose from (I am excluding myself and the Prisoner). That means chaindeath and nero can both be scum. And so can you. I do not understand why you are asking me that question. I've stated numerous times that I believe at least one of those two is bad.Dom wrote:Can't you?Sloonei wrote:I can, and if you're a townie the treatment of you in this game has been nothing frustrating. But surely you can understand why you have to be looked at the way we have been looking at you. We've got at least 4 bad guys to catch in a 10 person game. The whole game has seen one vocal townie after another get lynched and it became apparent days ago that we've had a number of townies at each other's throats all game long. There's a small handful of players who provided absolutely no content during all of this time, and your predecessors are a part of this group. As a bad guy subbing in late to the game, it is reasonable for us to speculate that you would want to jump into the activity right away to distance yourself from the Lurker Scum label.Dom wrote:Maybe you didn't, but either you or Prisoner have.Sloonei wrote:When did I ever imply the former point?Dom wrote:So first I don't care enough about being lynched and now I cared too much?Sloonei wrote:I don't like Dom's refusal to accept that he's a valid suspect. I also don't like his exasperation in the face of being lynched, strangely. He just got here. I don't think a townie who just showed up this late in a game would be as passionate about being lynched as he's been.
God this is the most bullshit case I've ever given but somehow I believe it.
And, frankly, it's exhausting to replace into a huge game and almost immediately take heat for reasons you don't understand that often contradict each other. I've been told I care too much and too little about being lynched. I've been told that I don't have enough thoughts and that I am too willing to vote on thoughts etc.
Surely you can understand how that's frustrating.
I understand that it is also reasonable for you as a townie to want to dive in and help us figure things out. It's been said before, but you practically can't win here. I understand your frustration if it is genuine, but at this stage in the game I can't approach you any differently than this.
Why can't chaindeath or Nerolunar be baddie?
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You all are killing me.
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A thought occurs!
Sloonei's ace investigative work demonstrates that neither Turnip Head nor Dom can be the Daisy Don.
Combine that with this, from night 2:
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Combine that with this, from night 2:
Meaning that this post raises a valid point. I am skeptical that Mongoose would have submitted a kill for Wilgy on Night 2. It's not impossible, but I find it more likely that Turnip Head would do this. I'll go back to investigate there posts RE: Wilgy on Days 1-2, but my gut feeling is that this points more toward TH than Domongoose.DrWilgy has been killed by the Hitman from The Sockfaced Famiglia. He was Crew, a member of The Daisy Crime Syndicate.
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Are you trying to tell us that you believe Dom and Turnip Head are the two dons?Epignosis wrote:
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No. People have been making an assumption all game that is rooted in error.Sloonei wrote:Are you trying to tell us that you believe Dom and Turnip Head are the two dons?Epignosis wrote:
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Sloonei wrote:A thought occurs!Sloonei's ace investigative work demonstrates that neither Turnip Head nor Dom can be the Daisy Don.Spoiler: show
Combine that with this, from night 2:Meaning that this post raises a valid point. I am skeptical that Mongoose would have submitted a kill for Wilgy on Night 2. It's not impossible, but I find it more likely that Turnip Head would do this. I'll go back to investigate there posts RE: Wilgy on Days 1-2, but my gut feeling is that this points more toward TH than Domongoose.DrWilgy has been killed by the Hitman from The Sockfaced Famiglia. He was Crew, a member of The Daisy Crime Syndicate.
Wait a minute Willis
Are you saying you think TH is bad now?
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I trust TH more than I trust anyone at this point. If you are saying you think TH is bad,you have just totally lost me.
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5, that we know of. The two Dons, the two stool pigeons, the Pief of Cholice. But the Chief's lynch doesn't just not happen, it "passes down", presumably to another Cop. Plus we have two dead Stool Pigeons, though one of them (boomslang) could have been the undercover cop.Epignosis wrote:No. People have been making an assumption all game that is rooted in error.Sloonei wrote:Are you trying to tell us that you believe Dom and Turnip Head are the two dons?Epignosis wrote:
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No. The opposite of that. I am saying this points to TH being the Sockface Don.S~V~S wrote:Sloonei wrote:A thought occurs!Sloonei's ace investigative work demonstrates that neither Turnip Head nor Dom can be the Daisy Don.Spoiler: show
Combine that with this, from night 2:Meaning that this post raises a valid point. I am skeptical that Mongoose would have submitted a kill for Wilgy on Night 2. It's not impossible, but I find it more likely that Turnip Head would do this. I'll go back to investigate there posts RE: Wilgy on Days 1-2, but my gut feeling is that this points more toward TH than Domongoose.DrWilgy has been killed by the Hitman from The Sockfaced Famiglia. He was Crew, a member of The Daisy Crime Syndicate.
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You're on the right track, but please rephrase.Sloonei wrote:5, that we know of. The two Dons, the two stool pigeons, the Pief of Cholice. But the Chief's lynch doesn't just not happen, it "passes down", presumably to another Cop. Plus we have two dead Stool Pigeons, though one of them (boomslang) could have been the undercover cop.Epignosis wrote:No. People have been making an assumption all game that is rooted in error.Sloonei wrote:Are you trying to tell us that you believe Dom and Turnip Head are the two dons?Epignosis wrote:
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OK, Sloonei. Thanks for clarification.That was some conovulted reasoning there lol.
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No, just say the thing you're trying to get out of me.Epignosis wrote:You're on the right track, but please rephrase.Sloonei wrote:5, that we know of. The two Dons, the two stool pigeons, the Pief of Cholice. But the Chief's lynch doesn't just not happen, it "passes down", presumably to another Cop. Plus we have two dead Stool Pigeons, though one of them (boomslang) could have been the undercover cop.Epignosis wrote:No. People have been making an assumption all game that is rooted in error.Sloonei wrote:Are you trying to tell us that you believe Dom and Turnip Head are the two dons?Epignosis wrote:
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It is complicated, but I think it adds up. TH and Dom can't be the Daisy Don, and the Sockface Don killed Wilgy. If one of them is a Don, they have to be the Sockface Don, so they have to have killed Wilgy.S~V~S wrote:OK, Sloonei. Thanks for clarification.That was some conovulted reasoning there lol.
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Of course, as Epi is telling us it's possible neither of them are Dons.
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Right now I am inclined to believe TH is the Sockface Don, though.
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The answer is four. You named them. There's two Dons, and there's two Stool Pigeons.Sloonei wrote:No, just say the thing you're trying to get out of me.Epignosis wrote:You're on the right track, but please rephrase.Sloonei wrote:5, that we know of. The two Dons, the two stool pigeons, the Pief of Cholice. But the Chief's lynch doesn't just not happen, it "passes down", presumably to another Cop. Plus we have two dead Stool Pigeons, though one of them (boomslang) could have been the undercover cop.Epignosis wrote:No. People have been making an assumption all game that is rooted in error.Sloonei wrote:Are you trying to tell us that you believe Dom and Turnip Head are the two dons?Epignosis wrote:
How many roles can survive a lynch?
The stool pigeons can get out of a lynch just the same as an arrest (the two are effectively the same). But only once. I checked with the host.
Both stool pigeons got lynched, meaning neither knew of this aspect of their role, or they had been arrested already, or one of them is the seemer.
TH and Dom have both survived lynches. They don't have to be Dons to do that, and you seemed to be arguing that they did. I don't agree.
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I've been the one saying they aren't both Dons, but fair point.Epignosis wrote:The answer is four. You named them. There's two Dons, and there's two Stool Pigeons.Sloonei wrote:No, just say the thing you're trying to get out of me.Epignosis wrote:You're on the right track, but please rephrase.Sloonei wrote:5, that we know of. The two Dons, the two stool pigeons, the Pief of Cholice. But the Chief's lynch doesn't just not happen, it "passes down", presumably to another Cop. Plus we have two dead Stool Pigeons, though one of them (boomslang) could have been the undercover cop.Epignosis wrote:No. People have been making an assumption all game that is rooted in error.Sloonei wrote:Are you trying to tell us that you believe Dom and Turnip Head are the two dons?Epignosis wrote:
How many roles can survive a lynch?
The stool pigeons can get out of a lynch just the same as an arrest (the two are effectively the same). But only once. I checked with the host.
Both stool pigeons got lynched, meaning neither knew of this aspect of their role, or they had been arrested already, or one of them is the seemer.
TH and Dom have both survived lynches. They don't have to be Dons to do that, and you seemed to be arguing that they did. I don't agree.
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Why do you now believe Eloh is a copper?
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That's the only thing that makes sense to me. I cannot reconcile while she'd come into a bad role and not enjoy herself, but here we are.Sloonei wrote:Why do you now believe Eloh is a copper?
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Epi
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That is what I think the scum team looks like. We've probably already lost, but whatever.
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And a list like that is why.Sloonei wrote:Epi
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That is what I think the scum team looks like. We've probably already lost, but whatever.
Punch some holes in mine.
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I can't even fathom you being good at this point. Dom is not a Don and I don't think he's a Stool Pigeon (unsubstantiated), so I think he was saved by some scum mechanic. That leaves Elohcin, chaindeath, Nerolunar, and Soneji. Soneji and Nerolunar strike me as more believable townies than Eloh and chaindeath.Epignosis wrote:And a list like that is why.Sloonei wrote:Epi
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Why can't you fathom me being good? It's a question I rarely ask. I just accept it when people think I'm bad. But I'm curious at this point. I mean to challenge your other points, but I want to hear about this if you don't mind.Sloonei wrote:I can't even fathom you being good at this point. Dom is not a Don and I don't think he's a Stool Pigeon (unsubstantiated), so I think he was saved by some scum mechanic. That leaves Elohcin, chaindeath, Nerolunar, and Soneji. Soneji and Nerolunar strike me as more believable townies than Eloh and chaindeath.Epignosis wrote:And a list like that is why.Sloonei wrote:Epi
Dom
Eloh
chaindeath
That is what I think the scum team looks like. We've probably already lost, but whatever.
Punch some holes in mine.
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I think we have spent way too much time overthinking things. Our best success came from a last minute "Let's just give in to our feelings" CFD. Not that I want to do it, but incessantly analyzing & discussing has got us nowhere whatsoever.
I hope TH can get in here today. I really need to hear his thoughts.
At this point, I don't care who we lynch so long as it is a cop.
I hope TH can get in here today. I really need to hear his thoughts.
At this point, I don't care who we lynch so long as it is a cop.
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Just when we thought we could lock down some variables. What do we do? If we get to live another day Im inclined to believe Elohcin is still a valid lynch option, if just to decrease the number of cops.
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.
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What else would be the goal?Nerolunar wrote:Just when we thought we could lock down some variables. What do we do? If we get to live another day Im inclined to believe Elohcin is still a valid lynch option, if just to decrease the number of cops.
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That post of Neros reads to me as, "I hope the Greyhound is here on time".
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What else are we doing but eliminating baddies?
If you feel that someone is bad, why aren't you lynching them?
If you feel that someone is bad, why aren't you lynching them?
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Well, it didn't benefit us for me to say this earlier, but I am aware of at least one possibility for both non-Don civilians and cops alike to have access to a lynch pardon.
Based on all information available to me, based on voting records and revealed roles etc, I find it nearly impossible that Dom is a Don. He could be a civvie that gained access to a lynch pardon, but I also find this unlikely due to this post:
In conclusion, I think we should lynch Dom tomorrow.
Based on all information available to me, based on voting records and revealed roles etc, I find it nearly impossible that Dom is a Don. He could be a civvie that gained access to a lynch pardon, but I also find this unlikely due to this post:
If Dom survived for a civvie reason, he would know that it is possible for at least one other civvie to survive for the same reason that he did.Dom wrote:I don't. Not if we cannot both survive for civvie reasons.
In conclusion, I think we should lynch Dom tomorrow.
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What do you mean?S~V~S wrote:That post of Neros reads to me as, "I hope the Greyhound is here on time".
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.
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I am. Right now its night so I can´t really vote for anyone.Dom wrote:What else are we doing but eliminating baddies?
If you feel that someone is bad, why aren't you lynching them?
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.