Downton Abbey Mafia (ENDGAME)

[Epignosis]

I rather feel badly about birdwithteeth. He gets lynched Day 1, like, what, every other Monday?

[Elohcin]

birdwithteeth11 has been lynched. He was Violet, Dowager Countess.

It is now Night 1
You have 23 hours to send in your night action PMs.

[Polo]

Kudos to all of you who jumped on this bandwagon.

[Spacedaisy]

I should feel bad about bwt getting lynched early yet again, but frankly his vote was hella shady, so I have no regrets about where I out it. I was hoping he might defend and would have considered changing my vote if he could convince me. But he didn't show back up, so I'm cool with my vote. Now to wait for the flip...

Linki: Well not ideal but if we are going to lose a civ, I'd rather it be the vote manipulation role I think so it could be worse IMO.

[Epignosis]

Sir David Withteeth gets taken out yet again because of go-along voters.

[Polo]

It'd be much better to simply not vote for anybody on Day 1, but the mafia probably would not let us stop them from lynching a civ on first day phase.

Hope you folks put the role powers to good use tonight.

[DrWilgy]

*The pages in Wilgy's diary begin to stir*

"Dear Diary,

I have never played a game with BWT where he has lived past day 1... I think... It's been like 3-4 games now...

It'd be much better to simply not vote for anybody on Day 1, but the mafia probably would not let us stop them from lynching a civ on first day phase.

Hope you folks put the role powers to good use tonight.

u wot m8?"

[Marmot]

Just because I said I haven't been lynched Day 1 in a while doesn't mean the time has come again.

It might be a good idea though. How about if you're bad? Then I might die night 1 if you're not lynched first. I have to put some thought into this.

Seeing Illy play has brought my mood up. I like the return of old Mafia friends. I thought I'd never see her again.

I'll probably nightkill Scotty instead. He's my other go-to option.

Are we friends now?


I started reading this page from the beginning again. I'm here now epig, and maybe see LC's train of thought but I just saw he left a leading comment regarding me that surprised me and led to my vote.

Yes, I think our relationship has progressed to the level of friendship.

I'm sorry birdwithteeth. I promise in our next game together, I'll policy not-lynch you.

[Polo]

Lynching on day 1 is dumb and the probability of actually killing a mafioso instead of a civ (or even the doctor) is too low to be good. I think it's better to play it safe on day 1 and make use of the civs' night powers to find out who's mafia.

[sig]

I really disliked Matt's vote. Though I always think Matt is mafia and am usually wrong.

[Marmot]

I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

There's only 13 total pages, and your last post was at the bottom of page 7, so there's only been a mere 5 pages of posts since then. The quote you pulled was posted in the middle of page 9. I must express my incredulity regarding how "so not caught up" you are.

Are you okay with Long Con being lynched today?

I'm right at that quote but I had to go. I'm just checking in from the arena. I really can't answer that last question. I haven't caught up. Even though it's not that much. I may be on the couch tonight since I broke my first mafia rule.

If you are bad, then I say Long Con is too. That vote doesn't strike me as compelling, and if you're not willing to lynch somebody, you shouldn't be voting that person- even on Day 1. Rather, it smells like one of those halfhearted distance votes I see all the time as a host.

To me a vote says, "This is the person I am most confident in lynching."

Black Rock.

How does this logic translate to self-voters or random-voters?

[Silverwolf]

Lynching on day 1 is dumb and the probability of actually killing a mafioso instead of a civ (or even the doctor) is too low to be good. I think it's better to play it safe on day 1 and make use of the civs' night powers to find out who's mafia.

No I think lynching D1 is always better than not. I've never played a game where we don't lynch D1. Now we can look at the votes on the wagon and get some info. after NK and flips.

[Epignosis]

I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

There's only 13 total pages, and your last post was at the bottom of page 7, so there's only been a mere 5 pages of posts since then. The quote you pulled was posted in the middle of page 9. I must express my incredulity regarding how "so not caught up" you are.

Are you okay with Long Con being lynched today?

I'm right at that quote but I had to go. I'm just checking in from the arena. I really can't answer that last question. I haven't caught up. Even though it's not that much. I may be on the couch tonight since I broke my first mafia rule.

If you are bad, then I say Long Con is too. That vote doesn't strike me as compelling, and if you're not willing to lynch somebody, you shouldn't be voting that person- even on Day 1. Rather, it smells like one of those halfhearted distance votes I see all the time as a host.

To me a vote says, "This is the person I am most confident in lynching."

Black Rock.

How does this logic translate to self-voters or random-voters?

When you show me someone else who voted Long Con during the last hour, I'll let you know.

[Epignosis]

Lynching on day 1 is dumb and the probability of actually killing a mafioso instead of a civ (or even the doctor) is too low to be good. I think it's better to play it safe on day 1 and make use of the civs' night powers to find out who's mafia.

This is terrible thinking. The lynch is a civilian's tool for lynching Mafia.

Let's say you can find out who is mafia. You find one with your Night power. What do you do when Day comes?

[Polo]

I'd try to convince everyone that I know the guy is indeed mafia. If he hopped on the bandwagon that successfully lynched bwt, it'd be easier to do that.
If the lynch happens and the guy isn't mafia, people would surely kill me the next day.

[Polo]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

[Epignosis]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

I could look, but I'd really rather not. My guess would be close to "Once."

[birdwithteeth11]

Man, another Day 1 lynch. Maybe I should try for a record of a different kind.

Oh well. Such is mafia life sometimes.

[Scotty]

RIP bwt.

I think Epi is bad.

I think he is capitalizing on slight mistakes people are making that don't necessarily indict them. I think he's hiding behind his BR vote and throwing a banana into the ring instead of his own two feet. Epignosis is Donkey Kong.

Sir David Withteeth gets taken out yet again because of go-along voters.

I voted for epig because that was a weak ass vote that I think he's hoping to generate some speed. He knows he can out talk me. One of your teammates in trouble?

Linki: I don't think I've been that good at mafia recently.

Oh yes. I took my vote off Dom (who had three votes) and put it on you (who had none) to save a teammate.

This is what I'm talking about. If Epi were bad, he may be certain that his teammate is not getting the axe.

[Epignosis]

RIP bwt.

I think Epi is bad.

I think he is capitalizing on slight mistakes people are making that don't necessarily indict them. I think he's hiding behind his BR vote and throwing a banana into the ring instead of his own two feet. Epignosis is Donkey Kong.

Sir David Withteeth gets taken out yet again because of go-along voters.

I voted for epig because that was a weak ass vote that I think he's hoping to generate some speed. He knows he can out talk me. One of your teammates in trouble?

Linki: I don't think I've been that good at mafia recently.

Oh yes. I took my vote off Dom (who had three votes) and put it on you (who had none) to save a teammate.

This is what I'm talking about. If Epi were bad, he may be certain that his teammate is not getting the axe.

I always capitalize on slight mistakes people are making that don't necessarily indict them. It makes me feel big.

As for the rest of this gibberish, it's gibberish.

[Scotty]

RIP bwt.

I think Epi is bad.

I think he is capitalizing on slight mistakes people are making that don't necessarily indict them. I think he's hiding behind his BR vote and throwing a banana into the ring instead of his own two feet. Epignosis is Donkey Kong.

Sir David Withteeth gets taken out yet again because of go-along voters.

I voted for epig because that was a weak ass vote that I think he's hoping to generate some speed. He knows he can out talk me. One of your teammates in trouble?

Linki: I don't think I've been that good at mafia recently.

Oh yes. I took my vote off Dom (who had three votes) and put it on you (who had none) to save a teammate.

This is what I'm talking about. If Epi were bad, he may be certain that his teammate is not getting the axe.

I always capitalize on slight mistakes people are making that don't necessarily indict them. It makes me feel big.

As for the rest of this gibberish, it's gibberish.

You never made me laugh yesterday. I think I won the game of wits even though you didn't expressly commit to it.

[Epignosis]

I'm pretty sure I won a game of wits if you didn't get any of my jokes.

[Scotty]

I'm pretty sure I won a game of wits if you didn't get any of my jokes.

Oh- I didn't get your jokes because you weren't giving any away.

But I'll give you one for free because I'm a nice guy:

We shouldn't vote for you tomorrow.

[Dom]

Oh man, I'm gonna get shit for this, but I still haven't caught up. Randomed between Bwt, DF, and Dom, and got Bwt. Sorry, even if you are bad Bwt

are you bad tho

RIP bwt.

I think Epi is bad.

I think he is capitalizing on slight mistakes people are making that don't necessarily indict them. I think he's hiding behind his BR vote and throwing a banana into the ring instead of his own two feet. Epignosis is Donkey Kong.

Sir David Withteeth gets taken out yet again because of go-along voters.

I voted for epig because that was a weak ass vote that I think he's hoping to generate some speed. He knows he can out talk me. One of your teammates in trouble?

Linki: I don't think I've been that good at mafia recently.

Oh yes. I took my vote off Dom (who had three votes) and put it on you (who had none) to save a teammate.

This is what I'm talking about. If Epi were bad, he may be certain that his teammate is not getting the axe.

Is this not precisely what you are doing in this post?

[Scotty]

Oh man, I'm gonna get shit for this, but I still haven't caught up. Randomed between Bwt, DF, and Dom, and got Bwt. Sorry, even if you are bad Bwt

are you bad tho

RIP bwt.

I think Epi is bad.

I think he is capitalizing on slight mistakes people are making that don't necessarily indict them. I think he's hiding behind his BR vote and throwing a banana into the ring instead of his own two feet. Epignosis is Donkey Kong.

Sir David Withteeth gets taken out yet again because of go-along voters.

I voted for epig because that was a weak ass vote that I think he's hoping to generate some speed. He knows he can out talk me. One of your teammates in trouble?

Linki: I don't think I've been that good at mafia recently.

Oh yes. I took my vote off Dom (who had three votes) and put it on you (who had none) to save a teammate.

This is what I'm talking about. If Epi were bad, he may be certain that his teammate is not getting the axe.

Is this not precisely what you are doing in this post?

No, it is not. Because Epi is not making mistakes. He is flicking his poo finger at a person. That's slander.

Unless he's right about BR, but that would be too easy.

MM is on my list as well as You still, Dom. Surprise surprise! It's probably a better surprise than my mom surprising me on Christmas in 1996 with my own hairbrush as a present. THAT was a shitty Christmas.

[DFaraday]

Isn't pointing out slight mistakes better than nothing?

[Sorsha]

Sorry I missed the vote. I was sleeping, bad poll end time for me

[Epignosis]

Go ahead Scotty. Bring me down. I dare you.

Or, if you would be sensible and take the advice of England's most popular period ensemble, then by all means, don't bring me down.

I hope elo would approve of that request.

[Silverwolf]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

[Epignosis]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

I have to do this.

[Dom]

Oh man, I'm gonna get shit for this, but I still haven't caught up. Randomed between Bwt, DF, and Dom, and got Bwt. Sorry, even if you are bad Bwt

are you bad tho

RIP bwt.

I think Epi is bad.

I think he is capitalizing on slight mistakes people are making that don't necessarily indict them. I think he's hiding behind his BR vote and throwing a banana into the ring instead of his own two feet. Epignosis is Donkey Kong.

Sir David Withteeth gets taken out yet again because of go-along voters.

I voted for epig because that was a weak ass vote that I think he's hoping to generate some speed. He knows he can out talk me. One of your teammates in trouble?

Linki: I don't think I've been that good at mafia recently.

Oh yes. I took my vote off Dom (who had three votes) and put it on you (who had none) to save a teammate.

This is what I'm talking about. If Epi were bad, he may be certain that his teammate is not getting the axe.

Is this not precisely what you are doing in this post?

No, it is not. Because Epi is not making mistakes. He is flicking his poo finger at a person. That's slander.

Unless he's right about BR, but that would be too easy.

MM is on my list as well as You still, Dom. Surprise surprise! It's probably a better surprise than my mom surprising me on Christmas in 1996 with my own hairbrush as a present. THAT was a shitty Christmas.

Sounds familiar.

[Long Con]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

Yeah, not lynching someone on Day 1 doesn't solve any problems. You have to start the game by just diving in.

Sucks to see BWT lynched so early again as a civ, I am down for a policy No-Lynch of him for the first couple of days in the next few games. Sorry I wasn't around for the later part of the lynch, I was busy and then I was at work. I doubt my vote would have changed anyways.

Dom, I have to look back, did anything more happen with that weird response you gave me earlier?

[Epignosis]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

Yeah, not lynching someone on Day 1 doesn't solve any problems. You have to start the game by just diving in.

Sucks to see BWT lynched so early again as a civ, I am down for a policy No-Lynch of him for the first couple of days in the next few games. Sorry I wasn't around for the later part of the lynch, I was busy and then I was at work. I doubt my vote would have changed anyways.

Dom, I have to look back, did anything more happen with that weird response you gave me earlier?

Black Rock voted for you, and when I called her out for it, she voted for me.

Go.

[Marmot]

I'm so not caught up but I'm going to place a vote on LC. When I get home I am going to read over one of his posts but I don't think I follow some of his logic.

There's only 13 total pages, and your last post was at the bottom of page 7, so there's only been a mere 5 pages of posts since then. The quote you pulled was posted in the middle of page 9. I must express my incredulity regarding how "so not caught up" you are.

Are you okay with Long Con being lynched today?

I'm right at that quote but I had to go. I'm just checking in from the arena. I really can't answer that last question. I haven't caught up. Even though it's not that much. I may be on the couch tonight since I broke my first mafia rule.

If you are bad, then I say Long Con is too. That vote doesn't strike me as compelling, and if you're not willing to lynch somebody, you shouldn't be voting that person- even on Day 1. Rather, it smells like one of those halfhearted distance votes I see all the time as a host.

To me a vote says, "This is the person I am most confident in lynching."

Black Rock.

How does this logic translate to self-voters or random-voters?

When you show me someone else who voted Long Con during the last hour, I'll let you know.

You're setting me up for failure, aren't you?

[Epignosis]

I'd never waste my time on a project that was doomed to succeed.

[Polo]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

I have to do this.

I was in civ in that game as well; we didn't have role players in that heist, though, and you have to admit that the Day 1 lynch was simply a lucky strike. Be aware that civs have plenty of useful role powers in this game.

[Marmot]

I'd never waste my time on a project that was doomed to succeed.

scratches butt

Gee Epignosis, If I din't know any better, I'd say you was makin' fun of me

[Epignosis]

I want to hear from Long Con the most.

[Long Con]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

Yeah, not lynching someone on Day 1 doesn't solve any problems. You have to start the game by just diving in.

Sucks to see BWT lynched so early again as a civ, I am down for a policy No-Lynch of him for the first couple of days in the next few games. Sorry I wasn't around for the later part of the lynch, I was busy and then I was at work. I doubt my vote would have changed anyways.

Dom, I have to look back, did anything more happen with that weird response you gave me earlier?

Black Rock voted for you, and when I called her out for it, she voted for me.

Go.

I was surprised at the vote. I didn't agree with the places that you tried to take it, where BR and I are on a baddie team together and she was doing a distancing vote for those purposes. You can have a look at Flash Mafia for us as baddie teammates if you like. Maybe Monopoly Mafia, if you count that as well.

Maybe Black Rock had the right idea when she voted for you. Your theory was base mudslinging, and when it was pointed out that it didn't match our baddie metas, you glibly said something about good baddies not acting the same as before. That was lame.

[Silverwolf]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

I have to do this.

It was huge fun.

[Long Con]

I want to hear from Long Con the most.

You got big plans for me, hombré?

[Silverwolf]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

I have to do this.

I was in civ in that game as well; we didn't have role players in that heist, though, and you have to admit that the Day 1 lynch was simply a lucky strike. Be aware that civs have plenty of useful role powers in this game.

We had a cop. That got lynched D3 but still got a couple clears off. I really want to lynch every day that we can. Think about it this way. We look at the wagon on the civ if they are civ. We look at confirmed civs reads. We get the NK. We look at that person's reads to see who they suspected and try to figure out why they were killed. Later in the game, we look at VCA-vote count analysis and figure out who voted where and why to look for baddie behavior. We need the D1 lynch for the most info. Plus, what I said earlier, I will defend someone I think is town. bwt didn't give me town feels and was very null-I'm usually o.k. with lynches like that on d1 where we have next to no information to go on.

Am I making sense?

[Epignosis]

Neither Flash nor Monopoly were Mafia games.

"Mudslinging." Tell me what that means.

Long Con pointing to his "baddie meta" with Black Rock. No. I don't buy that. And the person who pointed it out was not a third party, but Black Rock herself, so that's not a worthwhile objection on your part.

Black Rock and Long Con have been wedded together on the grounds of Downton in holy hegemony. I hereby propose they be banished to America, or worse, Canada.

[Epignosis]

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

Yeah, not lynching someone on Day 1 doesn't solve any problems. You have to start the game by just diving in.

Sucks to see BWT lynched so early again as a civ, I am down for a policy No-Lynch of him for the first couple of days in the next few games. Sorry I wasn't around for the later part of the lynch, I was busy and then I was at work. I doubt my vote would have changed anyways.

Dom, I have to look back, did anything more happen with that weird response you gave me earlier?

Black Rock voted for you, and when I called her out for it, she voted for me.

Go.

I was surprised at the vote. I didn't agree with the places that you tried to take it, where BR and I are on a baddie team together and she was doing a distancing vote for those purposes. You can have a look at Flash Mafia for us as baddie teammates if you like. Maybe Monopoly Mafia, if you count that as well.

Maybe Black Rock had the right idea when she voted for you. Your theory was base mudslinging, and when it was pointed out that it didn't match our baddie metas, you glibly said something about good baddies not acting the same as before. That was lame.

I posted this in response:

Neither Flash nor Monopoly were Mafia games.

"Mudslinging." Tell me what that means.

Long Con pointing to his "baddie meta" with Black Rock. No. I don't buy that. And the person who pointed it out was not a third party, but Black Rock herself, so that's not a worthwhile objection on your part.

Black Rock and Long Con have been wedded together on the grounds of Downton in holy hegemony. I hereby propose they be banished to America, or worse, Canada.

[Silverwolf]

Is it just my imagination or is Long Con agreeing with me a lot?

[ika]

Is it just my imagination or is Long Con agreeing with me a lot?

Your not imagining things. I kinda noticed it near EoD.

[Epignosis]

I want to lynch Black Rock tomorrow. Who is with me in this endeavor?

[ika]

I want to lynch Black Rock tomorrow. Who is with me in this endeavor?

I rather lynch long con

[Long Con]

Is it just my imagination or is Long Con agreeing with me a lot?

If twice is a lot. If that makes you suspicious, then be sure to go back and look at the content of what I agreed with, and then look at my posts prior to the agreement, and I think you'll find that I was already saying things along those lines. Pretty sure anyway, I haven't looked back to verify any of that for sure yet.

Neither Flash nor Monopoly were Mafia games.

Kind of dickish to say, but ok, then I don't remember the last time we were bad together.

"Mudslinging." Tell me what that means.

Mudslinging. Mud, in this context, is a substance that makes one look bad on the surface, just as mud does to your clothes. When you sling mud, you say things that are designed to make someone look bad on the surface, but does little real caring about the truth of the matter. In your case, saying that Black Rock casting a vote for me is suspicious as distancing despite our history not supporting that, and suggesting for all that we're being smart baddies and intentionally subverting our game and our meta. Because that's bullshit, it's mudslinging. I don't even think you believe it.

Long Con pointing to his "baddie meta" with Black Rock. No. I don't buy that. And the person who pointed it out was not a third party, but Black Rock herself, so that's not a worthwhile objection on your part.

Black Rock and Long Con have been wedded together on the grounds of Downton in holy hegemony. I hereby propose they be banished to America, or worse, Canada.

Just keep trying to play the game.

[Long Con]

I'm not liking so many votes on Dom already. Especially since I don't think he's done anything shady.

As for Ika's comments re: Epi, I don't agree with it. And I think the practice of policy voting people for not playing a distinctly town game, regardless of whether that person is actually bad, is itself not a town strategy.

This post is scummy due to the fact that it's an instant defense of the leading wagon.

That's a good way of putting it. The opinion about Epi is a nice safe one as well, for those who have played with Epi a lot. I'm not saying it's wrong, it's almost TOO obvious an opinion to have.

I think this is the first time I agreed with you? I was the one who originally brought up that post of DFaraday's and called it suspicious. I wasn't agreeing with you as much as you were agreeing with me, but more you were expressing an opinion that followed the same basic thought process as my own, already stated, opinion.

You've got a lot more experience than I do. In how many of the Day 1 lynches in the games you've been part of as a civ did you manage to lynch Mafia? Less than 20%?

Last game I played we lynched scum D1, D2, D4 and won the game. It can happen. If we don't lynch, it won't happen at all. Plus, the info. that can be gained from the lynch, flips is helpful for D2. Seeing voting patterns helps read players. I'm not even sure why you wouldn't want to lynch on D1 even if the odds were high it would be on a civ. Otherwise, D2 is the same as D1 with no info. except a night kill.

Yeah, not lynching someone on Day 1 doesn't solve any problems. You have to start the game by just diving in./quote]
And I guess this is the other one. Don't take it personally, it's just the truth about how I feel about Day 1 lynches.