Downton Abbey Mafia (ENDGAME)

[Long Con]

Sorry for the quote error there. Not to hard to decipher though.

[Scotty]

If I die tonight, I blame the Marmot

[Scotty]

I want to lynch Black Rock tomorrow. Who is with me in this endeavor?

Nay, said the Walrus.

"Mudslinging." Tell me what that means.

Mudslinging. Mud, in this context, is a substance that makes one look bad on the surface, just as mud does to your clothes. When you sling mud, you say things that are designed to make someone look bad on the surface, but does little real caring about the truth of the matter. In your case, saying that Black Rock casting a vote for me is suspicious as distancing despite our history not supporting that, and suggesting for all that we're being smart baddies and intentionally subverting our game and our meta. Because that's bullshit, it's mudslinging. I don't even think you believe it.

I do believe that Prim and Proper Long Con and I are on the same page on the matter

[Epignosis]

Neither Flash nor Monopoly were Mafia games.

Kind of dickish to say, but ok, then I don't remember the last time we were bad together.

Monopoly was more "Last Team Standing" with token Mafias. Flash was not an informed minority versus an uninformed majority, which is the heart of Mafia.

"Mudslinging." Tell me what that means.

Mudslinging. Mud, in this context, is a substance that makes one look bad on the surface, just as mud does to your clothes. When you sling mud, you say things that are designed to make someone look bad on the surface, but does little real caring about the truth of the matter. In your case, saying that Black Rock casting a vote for me is suspicious as distancing despite our history not supporting that, and suggesting for all that we're being smart baddies and intentionally subverting our game and our meta. Because that's bullshit, it's mudslinging. I don't even think you believe it.

You can use whatever verbs you want to describe what I'm doing, but I believe what I believe. My job is to figure out why people voted the way they voted. Black Rock voted for you late in the Day when you had almost no chance of being lynched. When I asked her if she was okay lynching you, she said she couldn't answer the question. Then she voted me, suggesting that I was trying to save a teammate, which suggests in turn that her suspicion of you wasn't genuine. I think she expected to slip in and vote quietly for you and move on without incident. And she was gravely mistaken.

Regarding history, If it were that easy- to determine who, by their history, is being bad- then we can wrap this up and all go back to shooting grouse. But it isn't that easy, and you know it. That you allude to a history you yourself admit to not remembering is not helping you. That you allude to history at all, which can be easily subverted, wouldn't help you anyway.

[Scotty]

Sorry I missed the vote. I was sleeping, bad poll end time for me

Yet you had plenty of discussion over bwt and DFaraday just earlier in the day. You know votes are changeable, right? I'm very surprised people miss votes- especially in a 48 hour phase- when votes can be moved around at will.

[Scotty]

Neither Flash nor Monopoly were Mafia games.

Kind of dickish to say, but ok, then I don't remember the last time we were bad together.

Monopoly was more "Last Team Standing" with token Mafias. Flash was not an informed minority versus an uninformed majority, which is the heart of Mafia.

"Mudslinging." Tell me what that means.

Mudslinging. Mud, in this context, is a substance that makes one look bad on the surface, just as mud does to your clothes. When you sling mud, you say things that are designed to make someone look bad on the surface, but does little real caring about the truth of the matter. In your case, saying that Black Rock casting a vote for me is suspicious as distancing despite our history not supporting that, and suggesting for all that we're being smart baddies and intentionally subverting our game and our meta. Because that's bullshit, it's mudslinging. I don't even think you believe it.

You can use whatever verbs you want to describe what I'm doing, but I believe what I believe. My job is to figure out why people voted the way they voted. Black Rock voted for you late in the Day when you had almost no chance of being lynched. When I asked her if she was okay lynching you, she said she couldn't answer the question. Then she voted me, suggesting that I was trying to save a teammate, which suggests in turn that her suspicion of you wasn't genuine. I think she expected to slip in and vote quietly for you and move on without incident. And she was gravely mistaken.

Regarding history, If it were that easy- to determine who, by their history, is being bad- then we can wrap this up and all go back to shooting grouse. But it isn't that easy, and you know it. That you allude to a history you yourself admit to not remembering is not helping you. That you allude to history at all, which can be easily subverted, wouldn't help you anyway.

Who do you think actually won the American Revolutionary War, if you argue that history is easily subverted?

Hell, I invented the coffee maker! Just don't expect history books to tell you about it!

[Nerolunar]

RIP Bwt. Better luck next time!

To be honest Im having trouble generating reads this game I feel like the thread is moving very slowly compared to the last few games I have played. Give me some time and will contribute more, it feels like Im grasping at air whenever I think about reading people. You guys are good.

[thellama73]

Lynching on day 1 is dumb and the probability of actually killing a mafioso instead of a civ (or even the doctor) is too low to be good. I think it's better to play it safe on day 1 and make use of the civs' night powers to find out who's mafia.

Yeah, it's much smarter to give the mafia a headstart on killing. Really, we should let them kill four or five times before trying to lynch them.

[thellama73]

I have never read BWT right, this game proves no exception.

This was posted before the lynch result. How do you know you were not reading him right, when you didn't know his alignment?

Or did you know his alignment after all?

[Polo]

Lynching on day 1 is dumb and the probability of actually killing a mafioso instead of a civ (or even the doctor) is too low to be good. I think it's better to play it safe on day 1 and make use of the civs' night powers to find out who's mafia.

Yeah, it's much smarter to give the mafia a headstart on killing. Really, we should let them kill four or five times before trying to lynch them.

They got their headstart by lynching a civ on day 1.

[Dom]

This is such a pointless conversation in the context of the game. We discussed this already, didn't we?

[thellama73]

Lynching on day 1 is dumb and the probability of actually killing a mafioso instead of a civ (or even the doctor) is too low to be good. I think it's better to play it safe on day 1 and make use of the civs' night powers to find out who's mafia.

Yeah, it's much smarter to give the mafia a headstart on killing. Really, we should let them kill four or five times before trying to lynch them.

They got their headstart by lynching a civ on day 1.

By that logic, any lynch that doesn't catch a mafia we shouldn't have, and since most lynches don't, we probably shouldn't have any of them.

[thellama73]

This is such a pointless conversation in the context of the game. We discussed this already, didn't we?

I'd be careful about stifling discussion with S~V~S as the MoD.

[Dom]

lol, I just thought we hashed this out already like how is it relevant to this game

[thellama73]

lol, I just thought we hashed this out already like how is it relevant to this game

That's actually a pretty good point.

So, changing the subject. What do you think of the quote I pulled from Iluvatar? Possible slip?

[Dom]

lol, I just thought we hashed this out already like how is it relevant to this game

That's actually a pretty good point.

So, changing the subject. What do you think of the quote I pulled from Iluvatar? Possible slip?

I actually had to check your ISO to find it-- missed it the first read through.

That's... interesting. I'd love to hear what Illy has to say about it. I will confirm, in general, she is a much better civ than baddie.

[Silverwolf]

Sorry I missed the vote. I was sleeping, bad poll end time for me

Yet you had plenty of discussion over bwt and DFaraday just earlier in the day. You know votes are changeable, right? I'm very surprised people miss votes- especially in a 48 hour phase- when votes can be moved around at will.

What I do, when I know I'm gonna be away at deadline is say I won't be here and make sure my vote is where I want it before I go and where I think it needs to be at deadline. Then I don't worry about it. Seems like a simple enough solution. If anything changes that close to deadline, there isn't much more you can do if you aren't here.

[Silverwolf]

This is such a pointless conversation in the context of the game. We discussed this already, didn't we?

I don't consider any game relevant conversation pointless. It helps me get a real on polo for example. He seems like newbtown. Without talking to him about this, it would be harder to get such a read.

I really don't think this game has been overly active or there's a need to stifle discussion. Right?

[Silverwolf]

When I get some time I'm gonna ISO LC and Epi here and in Turf Wars. I feel there is some good info. to be had with their conversation and I want to be able to look into that more.

Polo-The only ones that benefit from NLing are scum.

[Dom]

This is such a pointless conversation in the context of the game. We discussed this already, didn't we?

I don't consider any game relevant conversation pointless. It helps me get a real on polo for example. He seems like newbtown. Without talking to him about this, it would be harder to get such a read.

I really don't think this game has been overly active or there's a need to stifle discussion. Right?

I don't think it's stifling discussion-- I think it's asking that Polo comment on on-topic material.

[Elohcin]

There's just three hours to get your night actions in.
Remember, nights will be 23 hours, not 24. However, the host post will be a little later (7:45pm or so). Simon has wrestling.

[Illyria]

I have never read BWT right, this game proves no exception.

This was posted before the lynch result. How do you know you were not reading him right, when you didn't know his alignment?

Or did you know his alignment after all?

No idea on his alignment before the lynch. I was stating I have never read him right, I was all over the place on his alignment as I read through the thread. So yeah, this game is right on track for me. Huzzah.

Also, what name did you call me?

[thellama73]

I have never read BWT right, this game proves no exception.

This was posted before the lynch result. How do you know you were not reading him right, when you didn't know his alignment?

Or did you know his alignment after all?

No idea on his alignment before the lynch. I was stating I have never read him right, I was all over the place on his alignment as I read through the thread. So yeah, this game is right on track for me. Huzzah.

Also, what name did you call me?

I couldn't remember your name, so I used the name of the All Father in the Silmarillion. Iluvatar.

[Marmot]

This is such a pointless conversation in the context of the game. We discussed this already, didn't we?

I don't consider any game relevant conversation pointless. It helps me get a real on polo for example. He seems like newbtown. Without talking to him about this, it would be harder to get such a read.

I really don't think this game has been overly active or there's a need to stifle discussion. Right?

I don't think it's stifling discussion-- I think it's asking that Polo comment on on-topic material.

How trifling, this stifling.

How do you read Polo in this moment, based on what he has brought to the table?

[sig]

This is such a pointless conversation in the context of the game. We discussed this already, didn't we?

I don't consider any game relevant conversation pointless. It helps me get a real on polo for example. He seems like newbtown. Without talking to him about this, it would be harder to get such a read.

I really don't think this game has been overly active or there's a need to stifle discussion. Right?

I don't think it's stifling discussion-- I think it's asking that Polo comment on on-topic material.

I disagree with you here Silver, I don't see that as newbtown. I think it is just a cultural difference and he'd have this view regardless of experience/alignment. I've played with very experienced players who hold this view and no matter what happens they vote no lynch day 1.

However, I don't see how this helps get a read on him. It could easily be used as a type of filler to remain relevant and seen, but not discuss anything on topic.

[Black Rock]

I want to lynch Black Rock tomorrow. Who is with me in this endeavor?

No. You're an ass Epig. I have to admit probably a civvie ass. Last time you were bad you were nice to me. I hope I don't have to prove you wrong by you getting my ass hanged.


Before I get in trouble for calling Epig an ass. I didn't call him an asshole which totally mean but just an ass. Which is not meant to be mean on a personal level. I think Epig can handle it.

[Epignosis]

Nope. I'm telling.

[Black Rock]

Nope. I'm telling.

Just when I thought you were cool.

[Elohcin]

Silverwolf has been nightkilled.
It is now Day 2. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.
PMs will be out shortly.

[Polo]

Crap! What was Silverwolf's role?

[Elohcin]

DAY 1

Poll ended at Wed Apr 13, 2016 6:44 pm

birdwithteeth11
7
Spacedaisy (8), Metalmarsh89 (10), DFaraday (11), Dom (13), Scotty (14), Nerolunar (15), Matt (19)
30%

Black Rock
3
Epignosis (20), Illyria (21), DrWilgy (23)
13%

Bubbles
0
No votes

DFaraday
5
Long Con (5), birdwithteeth11 (6), thellama73 (7), Silverwolf (9), sig (16)
22%

Dom
1
ika (1)
4%

DrWilgy
1
LoRab (17)
4%

Epignosis
1
Black Rock (22)
4%

Illyria
0
No votes

ika
0
No votes

Long Con
0
No votes

Lorab
0
No votes

Matt
0
No votes

Metalmarsh89
0
No votes

Nerolunar
0
No votes

Polo
1
Polo (18)
4%

Scotty
0
No votes

sig
0
No votes

Silverwolf
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
0
No votes

thellama73
0
No votes

Host/Non-Player/Dead
4
S~V~S (2), MovingPictures07 (3), Golden (4), Elohcin (12)

[Elohcin]

That's a good question.

[thellama73]

RIP Silverwolf

[Polo]

That's a good question.

This is interesting...

[thellama73]

I guess we can rule out Ika as being mafia, then, can't we?

[Marmot]

I have reason to believe that Silverwolf was not Professor McGonnagall.

[Marmot]

I guess we can rule out Ika as being mafia, then, can't we?

I didn't think he was mafia before Night 1, and the kill choice hasn't changed my mind.

[Polo]

Silverwolf was actually Jean Brodie.

[Elohcin]

All PMs have been sent out. If you have not received a PM but think you should have, please let me know. Here is a little something from our Edith.

When I sat down tonight to look over the events that led up to one of our citizens dying, I wasn't sure what I was going to say. I believe that a monster was spreading fear in the hearts of the innocent. Speaking of spreading fear, I already see Epignosis calling for those to blindly follow him.

Epignosis wrote:
I want to lynch Black Rock tomorrow. Who is with me in this endeavor?

Please don't. I believe his theory is unjust and following Epig will lynch another civillian.

Who is the murderer? Is it Epignosis? Is it Long Con? Could be. Both of them have had history of treachery. Maybe it's someone you might think is harmless like Daisy, Bubbles, or LoRab. Could be the newly arrived Illyria. It's too early to tell. I hope we have better luck tomorrow.

[Marmot]

Well I for one won't be voting for Black Rock today.

[thellama73]

Well I for one won't be voting for Black Rock today.

Did you send that message?

[Marmot]

Well I for one won't be voting for Black Rock today.

Did you send that message?

Why are you asking unanswerable question?

[Epignosis]

Well, I'm one of those rare sorts that actually listens to messengers who say something useful.

Edith didn't say anything about Long Con, however.

[Epignosis]

I mean, Edith did say something about Long Con, but you get the idea.

[Marmot]

Well, I'm one of those rare sorts that actually listens to messengers who say something useful.

Edith didn't say anything about Long Con, however.

Technically she did. :P

But she didn't say anything about not lynching him if that's what you meant.

Linki: yeah that

[sig]

Well, I'm one of those rare sorts that actually listens to messengers who say something useful.

Edith didn't say anything about Long Con, however.

She also said the same thing about you. So it is odd your going to lynch LC.

[Epignosis]

Well, I'm one of those rare sorts that actually listens to messengers who say something useful.

Edith didn't say anything about Long Con, however.

She also said the same thing about you. So it is odd your going to lynch LC.

It isn't odd at all. I'm not going to lynch my damn self, now am I?

[thellama73]

Well I for one won't be voting for Black Rock today.

Did you send that message?

Why are you asking unanswerable question?

I read too much philosophy, probably.

[sig]

Well, I'm one of those rare sorts that actually listens to messengers who say something useful.

Edith didn't say anything about Long Con, however.

She also said the same thing about you. So it is odd your going to lynch LC.

It isn't odd at all. I'm not going to lynch my damn self, now am I?

But, it can easily be turned on you as well. Especially since she spends more time talking about you then LC. Also it seems strange for you to blindly follow an unknown civ who has no additional information.

For those who have played more with Epi, does he usually do this when there is a messenger role?

[Epignosis]

Well, I'm one of those rare sorts that actually listens to messengers who say something useful.

Edith didn't say anything about Long Con, however.

She also said the same thing about you. So it is odd your going to lynch LC.

It isn't odd at all. I'm not going to lynch my damn self, now am I?

But, it can easily be turned on you as well. Especially since she spends more time talking about you then LC. Also it seems strange for you to blindly follow an unknown civ who has no additional information.

For those who have played more with Epi, does he usually do this when there is a messenger role?

If you think I'm voting Long Con because of what Edith said, you are mistaken.