Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

[Zexy]

Zexy, I say if Psi doesn't show up halfway through this period or later that you go ahead and provide the answers to my questions for him on page 22. I'd prefer for him to answer, but he hasn't posted in quite some time.

You sure it is 22? Went back and read it, nothing.

Zexy seems pretty sane though.

Not reading everything and being active all the time is one of the ways I use to retain my sanity, yeah

But I don't trust him. Gets some townish reads on him and disappears. Nurrrrrr.

It's because I got busy with RL... I normally am inactive, but not this much.

Zexy, Why did you include the stuff about Silver and Epig in your catch up in the first place?

Because I worked on that huge post during the night.
Decided not to go back and delete that since I wanted the thought process to be seen.

Dizzy, talk to me about Zexy.

Don't know if I have all that much to say. I need some answers from him. He's mostly in the unsure category. I'm always thinking I'm misgendering him.

Such as? Why I included Silverwolf/Epignosis? That's not too many questions...

If scum!him does it more easily, then why do you conclude 50-50 at best?

And that's fine, use your best judgment. Hopefully he comes back soon.

Lastly, regarding your RL, I hope everything is alright. And don't sweat the game, RL > mafia game, always.

Because it's 75% possible he is town and 25% he is scum. Meta makes it closer to 50-50.

I doubt he cares AT ALL.

Kk I’m still not done with that all but I got some time for EOD.

This is questions till page 55. Gotta post it because we have less than 15 minutes and I wanna check if you have real-time questions too.

[Tangrowth]

Anyone want to talk reads/rainbow? Any major disagreements with my reads?

[Inawordyes]

Regardless, why not just answer the question? You might convince me to vote for him.

I mean, I think your point that we don't get a lot from Wilgy if he flips town is completely fair and true. I can't think of anything. I just don't know that we get a lot from IAWY flipping town either.

I just don't know that we will get much from ANY town flips until we have at least one scum flip.

I wasn't really trying to convince you to vote Wilgy - I'm very comfortable knowing you are on the IAWY train.

First, IAWY gives more info just going by numbers. Then you have the larger number of people with reads on IAWY. Then you have the tie from yesterday to look at. And the semi CFD. Is it just me who thinks IAWY unquestionably has more info attached to him?

Though you're right about town flips not giving us much, that doesn't mean we get no info from them.

The problem with that line of thinking is that it assumes I'm going to flip baddie. I'm not, because I'm not a baddie, so lynching me today does nothing but let the real baddies get a laugh in at how easy it was to scapegoat me. Until we have a baddie lynch, you get no info from my kynch that's meaningful, which means if the Vig is a goodie one and hey shoot wring again, you have to go through an entire other day before you have a chance at getting any meaningful info, and nobody seems to be seriously looking into other people right now.

Addendum: Not in the past hour or so, I see random CFD on Zexy and vague Wilgy talk, nothing substantial or meaningful.

[Tangrowth]

Zexy, I say if Psi doesn't show up halfway through this period or later that you go ahead and provide the answers to my questions for him on page 22. I'd prefer for him to answer, but he hasn't posted in quite some time.

You sure it is 22? Went back and read it, nothing.

Seriously? Crap. I think I only said 22 because that's what you said, so I'm not sure. Lol.

[Golden]

Hey, IAWY

Assuming you are lynched, and no matter what your alignment.

Your positive outlook on the game is fun. I hope you stick around here

[Golden]

Zexy, I say if Psi doesn't show up halfway through this period or later that you go ahead and provide the answers to my questions for him on page 22. I'd prefer for him to answer, but he hasn't posted in quite some time.

You sure it is 22? Went back and read it, nothing.

Seriously? Crap. I think I only said 22 because that's what you said, so I'm not sure. Lol.

Well, this is a catch...

No, I can't do it.

[Matt]

MP I don't understand your slight mafia read on me, is this more Sloonei-leakage?

[Tangrowth]

Hey, IAWY

Assuming you are lynched, and no matter what your alignment.

Your positive outlook on the game is fun. I hope you stick around here

I agree.

[Tangrowth]

Zexy, I say if Psi doesn't show up halfway through this period or later that you go ahead and provide the answers to my questions for him on page 22. I'd prefer for him to answer, but he hasn't posted in quite some time.

You sure it is 22? Went back and read it, nothing.

Seriously? Crap. I think I only said 22 because that's what you said, so I'm not sure. Lol.

Well, this is a catch...

No, I can't do it.

[Marmot]

Question: If IAWY was scum, would he not roleclaim in this situation?

[Dyslexicon]

Because I worked on that huge post during the night.
Decided not to go back and delete that since I wanted the thought process to be seen.

The thought process where you put the stuff about Epig in past tense, while you put stuff about the players alive in present tense.

[Zexy]

Here to stick till EOD.

Before you call me scummy for tha-

VOTE ZEXY

Was this enough to flip your read this easily?

Reads! I need to know them!

Still not feeling good about IAWY, Wilgy, MetalMarsh. a2thezebra, Dyslexicon slight scum leans.
Golden, MP town. Marco townish. Sloonei/Psi unsure.

VOTE ZEXY

If IAWY is scum this is really scummy

[Tangrowth]

MP I don't understand your slight mafia read on me, is this more Sloonei-leakage?

Pretty much, yeah, I don't have any Matt-specific read for you yet. Really, I thought Sloonei was town while he was alive, but towards the end there my confidence gradually deteriorated to the point of null. I then decided to force myself to get rid of null reads, so I told myself anyone I can't really get my head around at this stage should be dumped down to slight mafia. I need to examine the entire group more, for sure.

[Matt]

Question: If IAWY was scum, would he not roleclaim in this situation?

You should move your vote back to Wilgy. For sure mafia right there.

[Dyslexicon]

If IAWY is scum this is really scummy

Catch up first. :P

[a2thezebra]

Hey, IAWY

Assuming you are lynched, and no matter what your alignment.

Your positive outlook on the game is fun. I hope you stick around here

I agree.

I also agree.

I disagree that he should be lynched though.

[Dyslexicon]

IAWY, you have a role claim? You're dying.

[a2thezebra]

If IAWY is scum this is really scummy

Catch up first. :P

Seriously.

[Tangrowth]

Question: If IAWY was scum, would he not roleclaim in this situation?

I don't know. If the scum know the setup, then he could try to fake claim, yeah?

Would someone who's more comfortable with this kind of setup chime in here?

[Zexy]

The thought process where you put the stuff about Epig in past tense, while you put stuff about the players alive in present tense.

Not in the original post IIRC. I made a complementary one later saying that you should disregard Epig/Silverwolf.
Why would scum me even bother?

[Dyslexicon]

The thought process where you put the stuff about Epig in past tense, while you put stuff about the players alive in present tense.

Not in the original post IIRC. I made a complementary one later saying that you should disregard Epig/Silverwolf.
Why would scum me even bother?

You used "is" when you talked about me and some other people and "was" when you talked about Epig.

[Tangrowth]

No crazy EoD shenanigans this time.

[Marmot]

Question: If IAWY was scum, would he not roleclaim in this situation?

I don't know. If the scum know the setup, then he could try to fake claim, yeah?

Would someone who's more comfortable with this kind of setup chime in here?

I imagine would either try to survive, or at least try to draw out the real role, if the one they claim exists.

[Inawordyes]

Hey, IAWY

Assuming you are lynched, and no matter what your alignment.

Your positive outlook on the game is fun. I hope you stick around here

Thanks! I don't play Mafia to be aggressive, I play to hav fun regardless of whether I win or not. Because I had to adapt my style so much to play on MU, that doesn't really get to shine through much recently since you have to be more aggressive there overall, so it's nice to come here and be able to be myself.

On that note, I'm not fighting as hard as I should because I don't stick my neck out unless I have a reason to fight. If I were a baddie, maybe. If I were a TPR, most definitely, but I'm just a vanilla goodie, and so my ability to gather info is all I'm good for. I didn't do that great in this game because of RL coming first, so I deserve to be lynched, tbh, since I didn't really do my job that well.

I HAD ONE JOB

Addendum: answered above, but no, I'm goodfornothing vanilla. I'm not even chocolate, that would've been nice.

[Dyslexicon]

More people should vote Zexy, cause why not. \o/

[Zexy]

Conspiracy theory over analyzing activated:

Ignore the parts about Silverwolf and Long Con/Epignosis, I guess.

More later...

So Zexy says this after his catch up, implying that he wasn't aware of who had died yet. This would implicate that he is town.

However in the catch up I find examples that he uses present tense when he's talking about people alive - here's some examples:

Dizzy trying to push the zebra wagon after it deflated is weird. Unless he is scum with the top wagon of the time (MM) I don’t understand why scum would do that…

Actually, I said that I’ll ISO Wilgy but MP already did it for me. I agree that there is something scummish about him, also I don’t know Wilgy meta as much as MP does so I’ll trust him. Actually, were it not for Wilgy quirky meta, I would get a bigger scumread than what I currently have.

But past tense when he is talking about Epig:

Epignosis’ reason for voting Frog was bad. It was a very “easy” vote, they didn’t really analyze anything to get to that, just “I saw that single thing from a player with ~100 posts and it is scummy so here’s my vote”. I’ll excuse it since they only subbed in late in the phase, but it is not the kind of thought process I’d like to see anymore…
At 37 as of now.

He isn't talking about Silver by herself it seems.


What do you all think about this? Too detailed and paranoid? Or legit suspicion?
Had to point it out cause it's bugging my brain.

When something is weird, it is weird. IS. Still is weird.

A vote was placed. WAS. Day is over, it's no longer a thing...

[Dyslexicon]

I don't know. If the scum know the setup, then he could try to fake claim, yeah?

Would someone who's more comfortable with this kind of setup chime in here?

I mean, he could. He has already role hinted VT though, which I'm not sure why he did if he's town.

[Marco]

Regardless, why not just answer the question? You might convince me to vote for him.

I mean, I think your point that we don't get a lot from Wilgy if he flips town is completely fair and true. I can't think of anything. I just don't know that we get a lot from IAWY flipping town either.

I just don't know that we will get much from ANY town flips until we have at least one scum flip.

I wasn't really trying to convince you to vote Wilgy - I'm very comfortable knowing you are on the IAWY train.

First, IAWY gives more info just going by numbers. Then you have the larger number of people with reads on IAWY. Then you have the tie from yesterday to look at. And the semi CFD. Is it just me who thinks IAWY unquestionably has more info attached to him?

Though you're right about town flips not giving us much, that doesn't mean we get no info from them.

The problem with that line of thinking is that it assumes I'm going to flip baddie. I'm not, because I'm not a baddie, so lynching me today does nothing but let the real baddies get a laugh in at how easy it was to scapegoat me. Until we have a baddie lynch, you get no info from my kynch that's meaningful, which means if the Vig is a goodie one and hey shoot wring again, you have to go through an entire other day before you have a chance at getting any meaningful info, and nobody seems to be seriously looking into other people right now.

Addendum: Not in the past hour or so, I see random CFD on Zexy and vague Wilgy talk, nothing substantial or meaningful.

If you read my post, it's specifically about if you flip villager, not scum.

Secondly, your logic applies to everyone. Nothing to dissuade me from lynching you.

[Dyslexicon]

Now is the time to CFD Soneji!

VOTE SONEJI

[Tangrowth]

I don't know. If the scum know the setup, then he could try to fake claim, yeah?

Would someone who's more comfortable with this kind of setup chime in here?

I mean, he could. He has already role hinted VT though, which I'm not sure why he did if he's town.

[Tangrowth]

Now is the time to CFD Soneji!

VOTE SONEJI

You so crazy, Dizzy.

[Marmot]

More people should vote Zexy, cause why not. \o/

I don't have a reason to vote for Zexy in this moment though.

But sure, let's make it interesting. VOTE ZEXY

[Dyslexicon]

Now is the time to CFD Soneji!

VOTE SONEJI

You so crazy, Dizzy.

I'm dead serious.

[Tangrowth]

Now is the time to CFD Soneji!

VOTE SONEJI

You so crazy, Dizzy.

I'm dead serious.

Elaborate.

[Tangrowth]

Quickly though.

[Zexy]

It should be noted that zexy has not really been engaging in the game since after the first half of day 1. I'm still waiting on those ISO reads he promised around 72 hours ago.

You probs missed the RL part in the meantime

I've been suspecting zexy since day 1. He never even answered me how my posts were "scum motivated" "one liners" with "no thought behind them" just a few hours after leaning town on me.

Have you made those one-liners before those few hours.
Why would scum me flip a read on you early d1 when the chances you would be a wagon where almost 0?

[Dyslexicon]

Now is the time to CFD Soneji!

VOTE SONEJI

You so crazy, Dizzy.

I'm dead serious.

Elaborate.

1. Noone is interested in voting him.
2. His insistance on Sig is scummy to me.
3. It's fun, cause CFD.
4. I suddenly am uncomfortable with IAWY, who will die anyway but you know.

[Marmot]

Now's your chance Dizzy! Why'd you leave Zexy?

[Inawordyes]

Final reads list, I guess.

Town:
Zebra
Marco (Dudnt get a chance to talk to him, which is unfortunate)

Town lean:
MP
Golden
Zexy
Dizzy

Null (aka I don't have much of a defined read on them in either direction for various reasons):
Ika
MM
Psi
Sloonei

Slight Mafia:
Wilgy (I didn't like that he popped in, gave nothing of value, and then disappeared again)
Sig (I don't like him that much for tunneling)
Soneji (gut read, he reads bad to me)

Mafia:
N/A

[Golden]

The VT claim did feel genuine, but I feel committed.

[Zexy]

Now is the time to CFD Soneji!

VOTE SONEJI

Why?

btw who is Matt and who did he replace?
oh, hi Matt

[Tangrowth]

The VT claim did feel genuine, but I feel committed.

I'm feeling more scared myself.

[Golden]

The VT claim did feel genuine, but I feel committed.

I'm feeling more scared myself.

I'll give you both.

[Dyslexicon]

Now's your chance Dizzy! Why'd you leave Zexy?

Cause I liked his response to my crazy theory.

[Golden]

I think Wilgy is scum.

[Inawordyes]

Have fun guys! Sorry that I couldn't be more active, but that's Mafia for ya haha.

[Tangrowth]

It's now time.

[Marmot]

I think Wilgy is scum.

VOTE DRWILGY though he probably won't get it.

[Dyslexicon]

Have fun guys! Sorry that I couldn't be more active, but that's Mafia for ya haha.

Spoiler?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 2 is over. Inawordyes has been lynched. He was a mafia goon.

Night 2 will last 12 hours.