Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

#3101

Ok this here. What's happening here. Does anyone else find it fucking fishy as fuck? Like a salmon in a burrito.

Zebra, what did I do to you?

#3102

Scotty wrote:Ok this here. What's happening here. Does anyone else find it fucking fishy as fuck? Like a salmon in a burrito.

Zebra, what did I do to you?

Explaine this to me. Y is this so :bass:

#3103

Let's do hypotheticals here. If I were bad, aka Prestiginous or whatever his name was, do you foresee him having any Mafia power roles? It's a possibility, but he wasn't around for 2 days to do diddly squat. So if you find me suspicious, fine. Vote for me after voting off people that have been around and active.

But this here- zebra spazzing out like a jack Russell terrier? I don't like it.

#3104

Scotty. Don't argue the AFK angle, that cup of WIFOM is full of tears and anguish.

Argue my suspicion please.

#3105

I walk away for an hour and the thread descends into madness.

#3106

Scotty could be mafia; nonetheless, I think DrWilgy is a better bet, especially since Scotty has been willing to engage in active hunting and conversation.

#3107

Picking up Golden interaction now. Hope to have it ready soon. Lots of posts.

#3108

MovingPictures07 wrote:Scotty could be mafia; nonetheless, I think DrWilgy is a better bet, especially since Scotty has been willing to engage in active hunting and conversation.

Did Scotty dip though?

I don't like his response to me really.

@Scotty, why did you strike for angles other than the one I found suspicious?

Zebra being fishy didn't have anything to do with my suspicion, nor did Pablo Picasso being AFK. Why bring them up unless you don't want to argue my observation? Was I right? Also really odd that you felt strongly about Sig, but then swapped to me for a reason you aren't fully informed about... Why?

#3109

Kk. Dippin out and driving to Dallas. Byyyyyeeeeeeeeee!

#3110

DrWilgy wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Scotty could be mafia; nonetheless, I think DrWilgy is a better bet, especially since Scotty has been willing to engage in active hunting and conversation.
Did Scotty dip though?

I don't like his response to me really.

@Scotty, why did you strike for angles other than the one I found suspicious?

Zebra being fishy didn't have anything to do with my suspicion, nor did Pablo Picasso being AFK. Why bring them up unless you don't want to argue my observation? Was I right? Also really odd that you felt strongly about Sig, but then swapped to me for a reason you aren't fully informed about... Why?

I will admit this is the most convincing substance that you've brought to the game, so I'm considering it.

#3111

Almost done with this Golden/IAWY analysis. You all better read it.

#3112

GOLDEN / INAWORDYES

Day 1

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Golden's first post regarding IAWY is a question to Silverwolf asking her to explain her mafia read of him.

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Golden's first rainbow list has Inawordyes in the "Mild Bad" category, with 4 others, and not as bad as zebra or Wilgy.

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In response to my pre-ISO declaration that IAWY looks bad, Golden notes Frog's "quiet IAWY is scum meta" posts. He then notes that he'd be willing to vote for anyone on the "scum" side of his rainbow.

These first few posts could be Golden setting up a bus opportunity in anticipation of IAWY receiving serious heat, if he is IAWY's teammate.

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After Silverwolf expresses a strong desire to lynch IAWY, Golden joins in and votes for him. He could have felt inclined to hop on his teammate due to Silver's pressure on him.

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These two posts mention IAWY, but that's about it. I included them anyway.

Note that Golden switches his vote from IAWY to Frog during EoD d1.

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This is at the very end of Day 1, in response to Marco saying Golden would look bad if IAWY flipped scum.

I like this post; it read sincere to me then and it does now. But, if Golden is mafia and IAWY is a teammate, then his EoD behavior is entirely reasonable. I'd say this is all potentially teammate compatible.

Day 2

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In his first post on d2, Golden votes IAWY as a starting point.

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Golden says his vote is unlikely to stay on IAWY because of a hunch. This could be a way for a mafia Golden to try to sway the d2 lynch away from his teammate, despite the close call on d1.

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A new rainbow list puts IAWY in slight scum, but with 4 other players (Wilgy, MM, Psi, Soneji) and above a moderate scum in Matt.

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This post isn't really about IAWY, but "IAWY" is mentioned in it, so I'm including it anyway, since it provides more of Golden's train of thought regarding his d1 vote.

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Here Golden expresses agreement with Dizzy's theory that ika bussed IAWY, and that such a concept is compatible with Sloonei being bad (who he was most highly mafia reading at the time).

Note the yellow. This could be a way for a mafia Golden to justify attention on non-IAWY candidates, but still maintain a bussing stance on his teammate.

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This is Golden's first direct interaction with IAWY, so it's notable, especially since it's only (1) an inquiry regarding the cents symbol and (2) expressing acknowledgement that IAWY made a good point with respect to Golden's attitude towards lynching zebra even if he was town reading her.

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More speculation that an IAWY flip would incriminate Sloonei.

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Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Would you be able to rank your scum reads somehow?

What did you think of my Soneji ISO earlier?
I could, eventually. But I still feel I want to hear more from most of them (since they are all/most pretty quiet). It still feels unsolved to me in a way, if that makes sense. But IAWY is my prefered lynch, and my strongest suspicion.

I was so tired when I read the Soneji-ISO I don't really remember. Sorry. I do appreciate you putting in the work, and I will surely get back to it. Apart from that I've looked into his ISO on my own today to check up on things. I'm not convinced by him, he's a null I'm suspicious of. He could very well be teamed with IAWY if he is indeed scum. I don't feel his push on Sig is very good. Firstly because I feel Sig is a player that would be easy to push on (easy target, for various reasons), and two because the argument doesn't seem all that strong to me and gets a bit repetative. I don't think it makes that much sense for scum!Sig to push on Soneji of all people if Sig is scum. That being said, I don't think it's impossible for Soneji to be town doing all this either. So it's inconclusive atm.
No worries, that's understandable. I feel like we're mind melding the most this phase, so I'm with you on IAWY. It would take some real town spark from IAWY to get me to move that vote, because I have not liked his recent posts (though he seems like a nice fellow).

Not a problem, let me know what you think when you get to it. Yeah, sig is an easy mislynch (or lynch in general), so I think he's particularly difficult to read. I need to figure him out myself.

Thanks for the elaboration.
Once you read me as Mafia you stop looking at me as town, so commenting that you don't like my recent posts is meaningless except as a tool to convince others to look at me the same way, which is a scummy tactic, or possibly a cop tactic but I don't think you would've been this subtle about a redcheck on me if that was a possibility.

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Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Would you be able to rank your scum reads somehow?

What did you think of my Soneji ISO earlier?
I could, eventually. But I still feel I want to hear more from most of them (since they are all/most pretty quiet). It still feels unsolved to me in a way, if that makes sense. But IAWY is my prefered lynch, and my strongest suspicion.

I was so tired when I read the Soneji-ISO I don't really remember. Sorry. I do appreciate you putting in the work, and I will surely get back to it. Apart from that I've looked into his ISO on my own today to check up on things. I'm not convinced by him, he's a null I'm suspicious of. He could very well be teamed with IAWY if he is indeed scum. I don't feel his push on Sig is very good. Firstly because I feel Sig is a player that would be easy to push on (easy target, for various reasons), and two because the argument doesn't seem all that strong to me and gets a bit repetative. I don't think it makes that much sense for scum!Sig to push on Soneji of all people if Sig is scum. That being said, I don't think it's impossible for Soneji to be town doing all this either. So it's inconclusive atm.
No worries, that's understandable. I feel like we're mind melding the most this phase, so I'm with you on IAWY. It would take some real town spark from IAWY to get me to move that vote, because I have not liked his recent posts (though he seems like a nice fellow).

Not a problem, let me know what you think when you get to it. Yeah, sig is an easy mislynch (or lynch in general), so I think he's particularly difficult to read. I need to figure him out myself.

Thanks for the elaboration.
Once you read me as Mafia you stop looking at me as town, so commenting that you don't like my recent posts is meaningless except as a tool to convince others to look at me the same way, which is a scummy tactic, or possibly a cop tactic but I don't think you would've been this subtle about a redcheck on me if that was a possibility.

Hope, that was not a slip up, don't you dare read it as such.
The whole last part of the sentence just baffles me completely.

Golden finds IAWY's "cop check" statement baffling, but he doesn't say anything specific re: alignment, so this could be a mafia Golden's attempt to see how heated suspicion surrounding IAWY gets before committing to a hard thread reaction. I'm not sure I'd believe a mafia Golden would do that at all, but there's the angle at least.

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Golden wrote:
Marco wrote:
Golden wrote:
Marco wrote:
Soneji wrote:
Marco wrote:I also feel like most of the people on the Frog wagon (or those retroactively calling him scummy this phase) misrepresented him, intentionally or otherwise. This is in terms of his "inactive hunting" push. Or maybe I'm just sore you guys CFD'd one of the most active and experienced players (and one of my biggest town reads) to save two fairly inactive players (both in my scum reads).
He did inactive hunt though, to the point of actively discouraging discussion on basically anyone but them.
I think you missed out on a lot of context because you basically skimmed the whole thread in less than a couple hours. Moot point now, since Frog is already dead. I'm just finding it odd that I was the only person actually understanding him when I was the one opposing him for half of Day 1.
I disagree. I felt him very understandable, and said so, in that first half of day 1. I did not agree with his perspective, but I felt it was town.

Frog's first half of day one was great.
What about the second half put you off about him? Did you think the drunk bit was an act? I felt I could understand his reluctance to "hunt". It felt to me like he was losing patience in the dayphase and just wanted to see some flips before spending more time on reading people. 72 hours is quite long. Most of us are used to 24 hour phases. Especially since a large part of Day 1 is RVS.

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Marco wrote:I'll admit that even I was very curious about the Frog flip near the EOD. I could've switched to IAWY myself to save Frog, after all, but the general confusion of the rapid changing votes and self-doubt led me to stay on MM.
I feel like this is also part of why I stayed on Frog in the end. I'd convinced myself that I needed to understand the enigma. I also felt (at the time) that it would give us information. Well, I feel it would have given us a lot if he flipped scum.

But in hindsight, vanilla really didn't give us info at all.
Don't you think MM or IAWY lynches would've given us more information, regardless of what they flipped?
1) I did feel like it was an 'act' (not the being drunk thing, but just his whole demeanour). I have expressed this before in different ways, but I'll do my best in expressing it in a new way. I felt like he was trying to dominate the town direction and push it in the direction he wanted, and to me it felt wifom (like, does he want to be town leader, or does he want us to think thats what he wants), and he pushed his particular gambits in a very dismissive way (I'm right, you're wrong) and talked about how no-one would have the balls to nk him, and I began to feel as though the whole thing was one big pile of wifom with the deliberate goal of making himself too much of an enigma to be touched. I've seen scum do things like that and run to the end too often. In fact, I came out the other side feeling like I was still right about the whole thing being an act - and maybe even why he was doing it - just wrong about the fact he was scum.

2) I find it difficult to judge how much info we'd have gotten (or get now) out of a town flip from IAWY or MM.

The IAWY-specific content is in 2) here. He elaborates in the following quote:

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Golden wrote:
Marco wrote:
Golden wrote:1) I did feel like it was an 'act' (not the being drunk thing, but just his whole demeanour). I have expressed this before in different ways, but I'll do my best in expressing it in a new way. I felt like he was trying to dominate the town direction and push it in the direction he wanted, and to me it felt wifom (like, does he want to be town leader, or does he want us to think thats what he wants), and he pushed his particular gambits in a very dismissive way (I'm right, you're wrong) and talked about how no-one would have the balls to nk him, and I began to feel as though the whole thing was one big pile of wifom with the deliberate goal of making himself too much of an enigma to be touched. I've seen scum do things like that and run to the end too often. In fact, I came out the other side feeling like I was still right about the whole thing being an act - and maybe even why he was doing it - just wrong about the fact he was scum.

2) I find it difficult to judge how much info we'd have gotten (or get now) out of a town flip from IAWY or MM.
1. Yes, he was meta-gaming throughout the latter half. In my experience, it's best to not lynch such players Day 1. This is why I can understand Sloonei taking his vote off Frog. Regardless of Frog's alignment, it was guaranteed that he'd interact with people a lot and that would give us a lot of reads.

2. Well, MM and MP were the lynch candidates. MM tried to start a wagon on Sloonei but people moved on to IAWY instead. An IAWY flip would give us info on the voters who switched to him and insight into Sloonei's and MP's alignment. MM was a divisive read for a lot of people and he had his own leads. His death would've clarified quite a bit too. What info did we get from the Frog flip?
On 2 - explain to me what info we get from voters who 'switched to him' and how we get into the alignments of MM and MP if IAWY was town, in a way that we would not have gotten exactly the same from people who moved away from MM and IAWY to Frog, and the alignments of MM and IAWY? I can't see how these two things are different? Expressly tell me what kind of info we would have gotten, and why, from a town IAWY flip and why we do not have analagous information from a Frog flip. I don't understand this at all.

From my perspective, the reason we don't have data from a frog town flip is primarily because we have no scum flips to try and factor in what it means. It may give us information later. But similarly, an IAWY town flip feels like it would be exactly the same to me... I can't fathom what useful information would have come from it.

Golden justifies that a town Frog flip is equally meaningful to a town IAWY flip, and that this has relevance to his EoD d1 behavior amid some criticism from Marco for his switch from IAWY to Frog.

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Golden wrote:
Inawordyes wrote:Do the moment, I guess I'll start getting some info from mynp nulls reads. Since Gikden is here, may as wel, start with him!

VOTE GOLDEN

Heyo Golden! I fully intend to change my vote to someone else, but right now I have you in my larger-than-it-should-be list of null reads, so since you're here right I'd like to have some sort of interaction. Anything you can tell me about your reads and specifically some thoughts on myself, Soneji (who is currently my only Mafia read) and MP (who seems to be a bit shady)?
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MP - last time I remember playing with him where he was scum, I nailed on him on day one. Then, I died shortly afterwards and didn't get to lynch him until I got a rezz several days later, by chance, and by that point he'd done a major AtE gambit and I'd begun to doubt my read. But really, I think I am decent at reading MP. He does change things up a bit, but I think I'm much more likely to scum read his town game than town read his scum game. But he has mostly been town recently, hasn't had many scum games.

MP's cycle of frustration and apology, and in fact almost everything about MP, reeks of his town game to me. If he is scum, he has me deeply fooled and I'll congratulate him for playing a very strong scum game. The reasons I've seen for suspecting him have all been things standard to MP's town meta. He is a unique player and I like to wittingly call him 'the suicidal moron' because, when town, he is very good at doing something to make himself look incredibly scummy and end up being lynched for it. Of the people whose meta I know decently well, MP is the only one who I feel very firmly about in terms of their likelihood to be town.

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You - I need to get a better grip on you. I feel like you are very likable and feel like you fit here. You have a very affable personality, in fact the kind of personality that makes me naturally want to town read you. I feel the need to beware of this. I do feel guilty often for lynching people who are new here (regardless of their affiliation) because I want people to feel welcome and stay. Especially nice people. So, I'm trying not to take this into account.

I do think others have raised good points for why you could be bad. I also think there is merit to the idea that, absent of having any communication on day one, if you were a member of mafia I could see why your teammates may have felt comfortable bussing you if they thought you weren't actually going to show up.

In some ways, you feel like a good lynch right now through little fault of your own (other than your relative absence). It does feel like lynching you could create a lot more interesting context to both day one and day two. I am listening to what you have to say, but I'd like to get a much more thorough sense of how you are feeling. As you yourself have said, you have far too many null reads right now for me to have any confidence in you. But, then, you are well behind. I hope you catch up.

My big problem in terms of reading you is... I just don't know you. That makes you hard to read.

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I don't know why Soneji wasn't around for a while - has he answered this? I have found so far that soneji has a unique angle on events and seems to be endeavouring to contribute. I can't put him above 'slight scum' on my radar yet primarily because he doesn't have enough content yet, and what there has been is quite dense so I don't feel like I've developed a strong sense of where he stands.

However, on balance, the content that soneji has provided has good feelz and thinking solely about how he has approached the game when apparently starting from a long way behind, it does make me feel a little good about him.

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Right back at you. How do you feel about Soneji, Marco and myself? Even if its null, what impressions have led you to null?

This is a direct interaction with IAWY, an instance too rare due to IAWY's spotty d1 activity. In it, Golden responds to a "prodding" vote by IAWY (which he also cast against DrWilgy).

This content is very important because it is a detailed elaboration of Golden's IAWY read. There's a lot of potential waffliness in here that could be contributed to them being teammates. What do you folks think of this post?

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In response to an observation by Dizzy that Golden seems hesitant to act on his mafia read of IAWY, Golden elaborates here. This is another important post, since it gives us further insight into Golden's thought process regarding IAWY.

Is it a townie genuinely doubting his read for specific reasons or a teammate trending the soft bus line? You tell me.

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Another direct interaction with IAWY, this time in response to IAWY's request for a Marco read. That's about it though.

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This is a brilliant statement if Golden is IAWY's teammate, because it explains exactly what IAWY did as scum, voting for his teammate Golden to prod him to "talk", even though Golden had already been talking plenty.

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Golden says his sentiment is that he'd be "pretty happy" with either an IAWY or DrWilgy lynch.

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In the first post, Golden casts a vote for IAWY once he felt the momentum against him to be fading.

Then, Golden states clearly that he's still considering a Wilgy lynch, emphasizing that his flip to IAWY was to keep the IAWY momentum from vanishing entirely.

He votes for Wilgy, then votes IAWY, then votes Wilgy again. Flip flop!!

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This is in response to Marco regarding "information" lynch flips; Golden consistently argues that the thread won't get less information if Wilgy flips town than if IAWY does.

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Golden notes that he trusts the players on the IAWY wagon more than those on the Wilgy wagon.

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Other players could contest what Golden is saying here, arguing that Golden was indeed trying to convince folks to vote Wilgy on the one hand, while consistently maintaining and verbalizing an open mind regarding his teammate, IAWY on the other. What do you all think?

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This post is the beginning of a trend wherein Golden emphasizes being the player to initiate the IAWY bandwagon on Day 1. If he is IAWY's teammate, it's a great defense to be able to have.

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After Marco responded to Golden's point re: information lynches (specifically with respect to IAWY and Wilgy), Marco responded again, and Golden steps back a bit from his previous hard stance, noting that he agrees with Marco's assertions. Not sure this indicates anything though with respect to whether IAWY is a teammate of Golden, but eh, I included it anyway.

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Golden switches his vote back to IAWY and notes that he thinks if IAWY is scum that a cop exists in the setup.

More notably, Golden says the comment regarding the red peek / cop that IAWY made still majorly pings him. Whether Golden expressed a "major ping" previously is up to anyone's interpretation. What do you folks think?

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Lastly, Golden says IAWY's positive outlook on the game is fun and hopes he sticks around. This doesn't have any relevance to Golden's alignment, but it's a good ending post.

Phew! That was a lot. Now onto the summary and conclusion.

Summary

- Golden interacted directly with IAWY only a few times, but he had expressed opinions of him all throughout most of d1 and all of d2. His interactions with IAWY are not at all aggressive.

- Golden did not show a specific willingness to vote for IAWY until after Silverwolf had done so.

- Golden's suspicion of IAWY during d1 was largely due to IAWY's lack of activity. He had voted for IAWY d1, but then switched to Frog during an incredibly heated d1. Combined with Golden's second post on d2 where he said his vote is unlikely to stay IAWY, this could have been a calculated move by a mafia Golden to soft bus his teammate, keep him alive in the eleventh hour, and try to keep attention away from him during d2, despite all the while seeming focused on him and upholding the fake bus stance. It would all be a very accomplished act.

- Although Golden expresses doubt throughout d2 and flip flops his vote constantly between IAWY and Wilgy, he ends d2 by voting on the IAWY wagon which is fully established within the last few hours of d2 EoD.

- Until the end of d2, Golden holds firm that an IAWY lynch, although he suspects him, wouldn't be any particularly more informative than a Wilgy lynch, and he often equates the two during d1 and d2 in terms of his voting preference. Note that Wilgy is still alive today on d4, even though Golden has had a continued suspicion of him and pushed for his lynch.

- Notably, there are a few posts made by Golden that would exactly explain IAWY and Golden's behavior as teammates.

Conclusion

Well, this is a really tough case. Golden's behavior is teammate compatible, for sure, though it'd be an excellent (but largely soft) bussing job. I'm not sure I'm sold that it's teammate indicative, because it would require an incredibly consistent and conscious effort by Golden to bus his teammate, yet display signs that he was seriously doubting his suspicion in an organic fashion, so I won't say that it is. If Golden is IAWY's teammate, his behavior was very calculated throughout and top-notch.

I want input on this pronto from everyone. Regardless of whether Golden is town or mafia, he could be the single player that breaks the game for town, in large part due to his behavior regarding IAWY.

#3113

Well, that was a doozy. Better go back to work, but I'll be back this evening to continue these interaction analyses.

If it wasn't clear, I really want input regarding them, and I want all of us conversing with each other in an active fashion to solve this game. There hasn't been enough of it. We could be heading towards a LYLO situation hereafter if we mislynch today, so let's figure this game out.

#3114

DrWilgy wrote:Scotty. Don't argue the AFK angle, that cup of WIFOM is full of tears and anguish.

Argue my suspicion please.

DrWilgy wrote:
Scotty wrote:Ok this here. What's happening here. Does anyone else find it fucking fishy as fuck? Like a salmon in a burrito.

Zebra, what did I do to you?
Explaine this to me. Y is this so

Y is wat so?

DrWilgy wrote:
Scotty wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Waaaaiiiittttt....

Scotty...

Have you read my posts?
A few.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to do GTH reads. I wonder when would be the best time for that. Thoughts, folks?
I don't have much time today (I have 2 shows and lots of work in between) but if you start I'll add when I can. Though I'm not sure how useful my reads are.
Your vote on me for a fabricated red check came abit slow. I already explained that it was. Seems rather opportunistic that you would go for that without reading me.

Slow? I'm reading as I go. You literally posted that red check today, if I recall. I'm sorry I'm not at your speed in catching up.

hey Mp I'll give thoughts on all 3 at some point, but it won't be today, I'm afraid. I have too little time. But I also advise not talking ourselves out of things

#3115

sigh.....

scotty help me lynch sig

#3116

Wilgy vs Scotty. Phew. This is more like it!

#3117

Golden wrote:Wilgy vs Scotty. Phew. This is more like it!

The war to end all wars. The doctor vs the mechanic. One comes from humble beginnings, one comes from a place of lies.

#3118

The more I think about it...the more...I like...it...

VOTE DRWILGY

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#3120

a2thezebra wrote:

Doesn't phase me. I can still see a world in which Wilgy is bad and you are good. I just really don't think Wilgy is town.

But, why do you like it?

#3121

Scotty wrote:
Golden wrote:Wilgy vs Scotty. Phew. This is more like it!
The war to end all wars. The doctor vs the mechanic. One comes from humble beginnings, one comes from a place of lies.

I'm an actor, Jim, not a mechanic!

#3122

Golden wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Doesn't phase me. I can still see a world in which Wilgy is bad and you are good. I just really don't think Wilgy is town.

But, why do you like it?

It's like Extra Virgin Olive Oil beats Regular Olive Oil, can you dig it?

#3123

Let's hammer DrWilgy right now!

#3124

Well, MP, a bad wilgy flip would probably help with a large percentage of your concerns around my interactions with IAWY, too.

I think there is one thing in your analysis I slightly disagree with, though, is that on day one I voted IAWY in response to silverwolf expressing a strong desire to do so.

As you'll see, that was a response to me specifically asking her if she was willing to vote that way, and that was because I was looking for common ground - I wanted to vote IAWY. And, in fact, the reason I was looking for common ground was to get votes off MP, because I didn't want to shift my vote and leave MP vulnerable, as I read him town.

Quote below for evidence.

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#3125

Oh good griief Golden, any look at evidence will demonstrate to you that your interpretation of what happened is utter fantasy. The reality of the events that occurred are as follows:

#3126

Scotty wrote: hey Mp I'll give thoughts on all 3 at some point, but it won't be today, I'm afraid. I have too little time. But I also advise not talking ourselves out of things

No worries! I understand how RL is (and I'm ignoring it largely today). Whenever you can, your input is appreciated.

#3127

a2thezebra wrote:The more I think about it...the more...I like...it...

VOTE DRWILGY

I do remember one thing.

It took hours and hours but...

By the time I was done with it,

I was so involved.

I didn't know what to think.

(this describes my Golden/IAWY interaction analysis)

#3128

a2thezebra wrote:Let's hammer DrWilgy right now!

How about no?

#3129

Golden wrote:Well, MP, a bad wilgy flip would probably help with a large percentage of your concerns around my interactions with IAWY, too.

I think there is one thing in your analysis I slightly disagree with, though, is that on day one I voted IAWY in response to silverwolf expressing a strong desire to do so.

As you'll see, that was a response to me specifically asking her if she was willing to vote that way, and that was because I was looking for common ground - I wanted to vote IAWY. And, in fact, the reason I was looking for common ground was to get votes off MP, because I didn't want to shift my vote and leave MP vulnerable, as I read him town.

Quote below for evidence.

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Silverwolf wrote:
Golden wrote:
Silverwolf wrote:I really don't care who we lynch today because my strong townreads are not under consideration.
Who are your strong townreads?

How do you feel about IAWY at this point? Is that still a viable vote for you?
Dyslexicon, Frog, Zexy, sloonei and zebra are light townreads

IAWY I would vote for and lynch in a heartbeat

It would provide some clarification, yeah, but nothing's for sure.

I appreciate your dissent and subsequent clarification. I don't necessarily disagree; I was fishing for any evidence that you could be IAWY's teammate, so such analyses aren't exactly unbiased by nature.

#3130

a2thezebra wrote:Oh good griief Golden, any look at evidence will demonstrate to you that your interpretation of what happened is utter fantasy. The reality of the events that occurred are as follows:

......?!!?!?!

#3131

I'd like to hear from Soneji specifically, especially with regards to a detailed reads list if possible. I need to get in his head.

#3132

FYI I'll resume analyses later tonight; I'm multitasking article reviews at the moment.

#3133

In fact... UNVOTE

Just so no one comes in here and hammers this thing. I still support a DrWilgy lynch, but I'd like to gather more information.

#3134

MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact... UNVOTE

Just so no one comes in here and hammers this thing. I still support a DrWilgy lynch, but I'd like to gather more information.

I think this is wise. No reason not to use our time up.

I nearly swapped my vote to zebra for the same reason. But in the end I'm confident with you and me on there that if the baddies wanted to put the hammer down on Wilgy, they could have by now.

#3135

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact... UNVOTE

Just so no one comes in here and hammers this thing. I still support a DrWilgy lynch, but I'd like to gather more information.
I think this is wise. No reason not to use our time up.

I nearly swapped my vote to zebra for the same reason. But in the end I'm confident with you and me on there that if the baddies wanted to put the hammer down on Wilgy, they could have by now.

Yeah, I thought of that too and almost kept my vote registered on Wilgy anyway, but better safe than sorry. If this day period gets hammered, I will be livid.

#3136

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact... UNVOTE

Just so no one comes in here and hammers this thing. I still support a DrWilgy lynch, but I'd like to gather more information.
I think this is wise. No reason not to use our time up.

I nearly swapped my vote to zebra for the same reason. But in the end I'm confident with you and me on there that if the baddies wanted to put the hammer down on Wilgy, they could have by now.

Fun fact: back when I used to play more I would hammer all the time not caring. I was considering it persoanlly

#3137

ika wrote:
Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact... UNVOTE

Just so no one comes in here and hammers this thing. I still support a DrWilgy lynch, but I'd like to gather more information.
I think this is wise. No reason not to use our time up.

I nearly swapped my vote to zebra for the same reason. But in the end I'm confident with you and me on there that if the baddies wanted to put the hammer down on Wilgy, they could have by now.
Fun fact: back when I used to play more I would hammer all the time not caring. I was considering it persoanlly

Do you suspect Wilgy or were you just going to hammer for shits and giggles?

#3138

I'm getting close to 600 posts in this game. What the hell is wrong with me?

#3139

Golden, who are the top 3 players you'd like to lynch today and why? I know you've talked about this to some degree already, but I think it's worth discussing nonetheless.

#3140

I'm lonely and procrastinating like crazy. Someone come in here and talk to me.

#3141

Mafia lonely, that is. Not actually lonely.

#3142

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, that was a doozy. Better go back to work, but I'll be back this evening to continue these interaction analyses.

If it wasn't clear, I really want input regarding them, and I want all of us conversing with each other in an active fashion to solve this game. There hasn't been enough of it. We could be heading towards a LYLO situation hereafter if we mislynch today, so let's figure this game out.

With respect to your ISO of Golden, MP. What if DrWilgy comes back scum? I believe one of your main points against Golden was his pushing of lynching DrWilgy on Day 2 when IAWY was lynched instead.

#3143

a2thezebra wrote:Let's hammer DrWilgy right now!

Fuck that.

#3144

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, that was a doozy. Better go back to work, but I'll be back this evening to continue these interaction analyses.

If it wasn't clear, I really want input regarding them, and I want all of us conversing with each other in an active fashion to solve this game. There hasn't been enough of it. We could be heading towards a LYLO situation hereafter if we mislynch today, so let's figure this game out.
With respect to your ISO of Golden, MP. What if DrWilgy comes back scum? I believe one of your main points against Golden was his pushing of lynching DrWilgy on Day 2 when IAWY was lynched instead.

Sup, Marmot?

That's a good question. GTH I'd say a scum Wilgy flip makes Golden look better and a town Wilgy flip makes Golden look... maybe a bit worse?

What do you think?

#3145

Wait MM, why the hell is your P-Score 1?

#3146

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wait MM, why the hell is your P-Score 1?

I am le-failz.

#3147

MM, do you have a rainbow for me?

#3148

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, that was a doozy. Better go back to work, but I'll be back this evening to continue these interaction analyses.

If it wasn't clear, I really want input regarding them, and I want all of us conversing with each other in an active fashion to solve this game. There hasn't been enough of it. We could be heading towards a LYLO situation hereafter if we mislynch today, so let's figure this game out.
With respect to your ISO of Golden, MP. What if DrWilgy comes back scum? I believe one of your main points against Golden was his pushing of lynching DrWilgy on Day 2 when IAWY was lynched instead.
Sup, Marmot?

That's a good question. GTH I'd say a scum Wilgy flip makes Golden look better and a town Wilgy flip makes Golden look... maybe a bit worse?

What do you think?

I would agree with you. I know I suspected Golden earlier this game. I don't think I suspect him anymore, but he's on my would-lynch-in-LYLO list. This probably isn't a good list to have, but that's how I feel about him. :P

But I think DrWilgy is bad, and underestimates our deduction on what roles are currently left in the game.

Linki: You know it.

#3149

Good to know, thanks.

I'll get to more analyses here soon enough, but my brain is still recovering from the Golden one.

#3150

Here is my Day 4 Rainbow list.

Soneji
MovingPictures07
Golden
ika
Scotty
sig
a2thezebra
DrWilgy

The colors indicate moderate town, neutral/null, moderate scum, strong scum.

Based on my last rainbow list, very little has changed. Zebra dropped from neutral to strong scum read, but it is surprisingly static otherwise. Oh well.

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