Downton Abbey Mafia (ENDGAME)

[ika]

Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?

hey MM who would you vote for tommorw?

[Dom]

Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?

I actually explained this already.

Ika hasn't.

[Marmot]

Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?

hey MM who would you vote for tommorw?

You

Or Scotty.

Or Matt.



Epignosis has been removed from the lynch poll three times now. Either he his mafia and has blackmailed that role three times now and succeeded, he is mafia and some civilian trusts him enough to keep removing him for no particular reason, or he's a civilian. I believe it is the final of these three options.

Linki: I know, I am just teasing you.

[Dom]

I know, but I feel like ika might run with it.

[Scotty]

Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

Epignosis would be a good place to look.

There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

Because Elohcin, when handing out roles for this game, randomly selected you to be a member of the mafia. That's why.

I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

I'm dismayed at the number of people who are like "oops, okay, well Ika tomorrow" as you continue to let Epi lead you wherever he wants to.

I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.

The main difference is that you are bad and I am not, though.

I have already gone through Scotty's posts. I would consider voting there based on my analysis, although the Wilgy business gives me pause.

Thankfully no one silenced me, so I am able to examine everybody else I am considering voting. Once again, I'll take Lady Edith's advice and begin there.

Lady Edith is gravely mistaken about me, and I hope to show it to you.

And Edith implied that I'm not very good or experienced, so it would appear we both have a grievance with her ladyship.

Well, that's certainly an opinion I don't share. The fact that you are good and experienced makes me distrust you.

Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

[Epignosis]

Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

Epignosis would be a good place to look.

There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

Because Elohcin, when handing out roles for this game, randomly selected you to be a member of the mafia. That's why.

I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

I'm dismayed at the number of people who are like "oops, okay, well Ika tomorrow" as you continue to let Epi lead you wherever he wants to.

I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.

The main difference is that you are bad and I am not, though.

I have already gone through Scotty's posts. I would consider voting there based on my analysis, although the Wilgy business gives me pause.

Thankfully no one silenced me, so I am able to examine everybody else I am considering voting. Once again, I'll take Lady Edith's advice and begin there.

Lady Edith is gravely mistaken about me, and I hope to show it to you.

And Edith implied that I'm not very good or experienced, so it would appear we both have a grievance with her ladyship.

Well, that's certainly an opinion I don't share. The fact that you are good and experienced makes me distrust you.

Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

If you're a civilian, I am willing to throw the game.

If you lynch me tomorrow, and I flip good, I hope everybody lynches you for pushing this.

"Holy shit guys!"

Please. Get out of here with that. Logan wasn't using his role much. I know this.

[Epignosis]

As for how I know it, I keep track of when you bitches last logged in. I pay attention to when Days end and Nights end. I see who was online during that window and who wasn't. Some people have not been using their roles.

That's one big reason civilians lose, ika. They don't use their roles.

[Scotty]

I want reason for your Rab suspicion 1st if you can daisy.

Yes, I concur with this.

Scotty is one I could easily see being bad. He's kept kind of a low profile this game.

I'm putting my vote on Scotty for now. The more I think about him, the more I suspect he's been flying under the radar this whole time.

Those 2 posts are the only things llama says about me when he votes me on Day 4. I can't imagine what he would have lie checked if that were the case.

Then right after on day 5:

I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.

I'm going with Scotty again. A bit puzzled as to why the people who agreed with me yesterday have been shifting away from him.

I think it was Day 2 when Wilgy pretty much cleared Scotty, and in later posts down the line, you can see Wilgy continue to say things like "Don't lynch Scotty!"

Derp

Oh right. I'm voting for Epignosis then. I think he's playing a masterful game and playing us all for fools.

Llama wonders why no one bit on his suspicion of me the day before, but after Matt reminds me that Wilgy trusted LoRab and me, he switches to Epi (if he could, which he couldn't, because Epi was removed from the poll). I would gander that at this point, llama hadn't lie checked Epi yet. It's not as decisive as his posting and immediate voting for Epi was at the beginning of Day 6.

At some point, we have to look at these power roles and take them serious. They won't be right all the time, but llama's tone was that of a hot chick at comic con: he knew he had the goods, and that everyone shouldnt resist visually feasting on his assets.

[Epignosis]

And like a hot chick at Comic-Con, he's barking up the wrong tree.

[Epignosis]

There's plenty of evidence in my favor. I am not worried about being lynched. Sorsha died because I stayed on at my desk at work instead of packing up and going up to make sure nobody toyed with the lynch, which is exactly what happened. I could have stayed on Long Con and gone home, but I did not do this.

[Epignosis]

And like a hot chick at Comic-Con, he's barking up the wrong tree.

I need a new keyboard.

[Marmot]

Anyone want to try some of this watermelon lime ale I'm drinking?

[Epignosis]

Right now, I think Matt and ika need to be lynched.

[Epignosis]

Lorab, say a thing.

[Epignosis]

Or don't.

[Dom]

Scotty, which statement of Epi's do you think Logan checked?

[LoRab]

Lorab, say a thing.

A thing.

Seriously, though. Not sure what to say. My deep thoughts went to sleep a few hours ago. And now I'm trying to figure out how it is that we've lynched yet another civ, and who exactly is nefariousness leading us in that direction over and over.

[Scotty]

Scotty, which statement of Epi's do you think Logan checked?

Well, did a quick comb through Epi's posts around Day 5, when llama would probably have checked something, since he came out so strong day 6, and I think this could fit the bill:

Well I'm interested in lynching Mafia, not sig. So you can get on board with that, or I'm going to get on board with lynching you.

Epi has played his cards close when it comes to divulging information about himself, so this little nugget could be exactly what llama would have needed.

[Scotty]

As for how I know it, I keep track of when you bitches last logged in. I pay attention to when Days end and Nights end. I see who was online during that window and who wasn't. Some people have not been using their roles.

That's one big reason civilians lose, ika. They don't use their roles.

So you're saying you know that llama didn't log in at all during the night phase of day 5?

This seems like a bold statement, and actually a scary sentiment if you are bad. Paranoid, even.

I know and a lot of other people are aware you are very good at arguing yourself out of a corner, but the writing is on the wall

[Scotty]

Spoiler: show

Dammit. Sorry Nero. I came to my senses too late.

I think ika should be next to go. And I think at least a couple of those on the Nero train should be heavily looked at over the next few cycles.
Starting to be more unsure about Epi. I thought at first he and Polo could have had BTSC but his cases have been...bad, to say the least.

Epignosis would be a good place to look.

There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

There's just such little participation here, it's difficult to work out anybody's opinions. I vote and make a case and people follow that.

THIS is why civilians lose. It isn't because of mechanics (most of the time) and it isn't because of balance (most of the time).

It's because civilians don't try.

Try goddamnit.

You're so bad.

why

Because Elohcin, when handing out roles for this game, randomly selected you to be a member of the mafia. That's why.

I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

I'm dismayed at the number of people who are like "oops, okay, well Ika tomorrow" as you continue to let Epi lead you wherever he wants to.

I do agree with Epi on one thing though, civilians need to stop blindly following him, because it has wrought nothing but civvie deaths so far.

Can't blame spacedaisy for bad lynches anymore, so you're blaming me.

You voted DFaraday, Bubbles, spacedaisy, so that's three for you, Bucko.

The main difference is that you are bad and I am not, though.

I have already gone through Scotty's posts. I would consider voting there based on my analysis, although the Wilgy business gives me pause.

Thankfully no one silenced me, so I am able to examine everybody else I am considering voting. Once again, I'll take Lady Edith's advice and begin there.

Lady Edith is gravely mistaken about me, and I hope to show it to you.

And Edith implied that I'm not very good or experienced, so it would appear we both have a grievance with her ladyship.

Well, that's certainly an opinion I don't share. The fact that you are good and experienced makes me distrust you.

Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

If you're a civilian, I am willing to throw the game.

If you lynch me tomorrow, and I flip good, I hope everybody lynches you for pushing this.

"Holy shit guys!"

Please. Get out of here with that. Logan wasn't using his role much. I know this.

"If you are a civilian, I am willing to throw the game."
O rly? Because I'm actually attempting to use thread based evidence and make a case against you? Weren't you the one that was hemming and hawing over the lack of effort people have used to make cases? And now that I'm building a case against you, you're willing to throw the game?!

Yowza.

"Logan wasn't using his role much"
So you admit that he did use it sometimes? Could it be that you're blowing steam out your butt like a hot iron and don't want to acknowledge that he could have used it on you? "Not...Much" is more than "at all".

[Scotty]

I have backed down from this earlier because Epi has been removed from the poll twice and has been backed up by Black Rock and Dom for his supposed "civ play". Epi doesn't even believe in meta gaming, so at some point, what separates his civ play from his Mafia play? Mrs Hughes has BTSC with another civ, so agreement among two people that otherwise know nothing does not a clean person make. People make mistakes.

[Dom]

Why did he get Sorsha lynched?

[Scotty]

Why did he get Sorsha lynched?

Did he?

At thirty-five posts, Sorsha will be the easiest place to begin.

Sorsha's first interaction is with ika, and is about ika's methods of catching mafia and policy lynches. That's five of her first six posts, or 14% of her total activity.

Her second interaction is with Silverwolf, expressing disagreement with her MM vote. That's the next three posts.

After briefly questioning thellama73 on what constitutes filler, Sorsha balks at the exchange between birdwithteeth11 and DFaraday, mother and son, respectively.

She answered Scotty's question about birdwithteeth11 in AWR or Recruitment, whichever it was.

Ultimately, Sorsha missed the Day 1 vote.

Sorsha's Day 2 activity consists of questions, a vote on Bubbles, and a response to a criticism from Long Con about low-hanging fruit.

Sorsha laments voting Bubbles, and says she didn't know bea was replacing in. I believe this: Sorsha didn't post at all after her Bubbles vote, and wasn't around when bea got replaced.

Sorsha laments being busy* and tired, says she trusts thellama73 and Scotty, and would consider voting spacedaisy (who was good). She doesn't get why Lorab is getting votes. She ultimately votes Long Con because of "gut," completely out of the Lorab / spacedaisy lynch (that sadly went to DFaraday).

*(Thank God I proofread- I had originally typed out "busty." )

Sorsha claims to have misread the doctor's role, which is believable, given that the doctor is a stopper, not a switcher.

Sorsha confesses to being busy in Spirited Away (where she was bad, working to put the final nail in the coffin for the civilians). She says she'd vote Bubbles over again and that she would devote more time to this after Spirited Away (a promise I don't think she's kept).

Day 4 she voted herself and vanished.

Day 5 she voted Nerolunar, commented that she could also vote ika, and vanished.

++++

I don't see anything here beyond laziness that makes me want to lynch Sorsha. She had 72 posts in Spirited Away, and that lasted eight phases. We're in the sixth, and she's at half that number. Perhaps I'm being naive, but if Sorsha were bad here, I don't think she'd be this lazy.

Moving on.

Yo.

I'm actually really perturbed by Lady Rose. Like, I have literally no idea what she is doing.

As far as we know, she has insanified Wilgy to speak in weird caps lock cipher, and just today, LC seems to be afflicted with the same stupid cipher.

Forgive my bluntness but if LC's insanity is legit, Lady Rose is inept. I mean come on:

She provides a bit of fun to the thread by insanifying a player each night with the insanity of her choice

It's her choice to use her powers, but so far, that would mean she has done 2 insanifies in 5 cycles, and both times have been the exact same stupid insanity.

This just seems too unlikely to be true.

I think LC is faking.

This was on my mind during the drive home.

I would say Lady Rose is phoning it in big time. Sorsha and Lorab both fit that.

Black Rock wants to vote Sorsha and LC.

Where you vote, I shall follow.

But not tonight. I'm tired and there is work tomorrow.

I prefer a Long Con lynch to a Sorsha lynch myself, based on my reading. I will be around just before the deadline (and in the hour that comes before it).

Laaaame. Getting rid of a...mostly...inactive instead of she-who-is-a-proven-liar?

C'mon town, you're better then this!

Matt. I really don't think Illyria is bad. Epignosis has stated this and I trust him this game. Might be the only one ever in my life, but I do. Vote Sorsha with me. Don't give the baddies another option.

Would you object if I voted Long Con at this stage after all?

Long Con

Followed by:

Sorsha

You should have gone for the tie.

That might as well have been in scum chat.

Epi put the final blow on Sorsha, yes, but showed no real signs of voting her beforehand and actually levied against people to push for a LC lynch instead.

This doesn't seem like someone who wanted to vote Sorsha at all, unless the civ Cred was offered.

[Scotty]

Why did he get Sorsha lynched?

But I appreciate how adamantly you are questioning the validity of the evidence before you.

What specifically makes you think Epi is good in the wake of what I have presented?

[Matt]

RIP Llama

If Epi is mafia and he's been taken off the poll 3 times then hahaha that's pretty funny. Deeeeerp.

[Dom]

Why did he get Sorsha lynched?

But I appreciate how adamantly you are questioning the validity of the evidence before you.

What specifically makes you think Epi is good in the wake of what I have presented?

Tone. If I'm wrong I'll be super pissed at myself.

Question: how was Epis laziness vote for her different than the case against her?

[Scotty]

Why did he get Sorsha lynched?

But I appreciate how adamantly you are questioning the validity of the evidence before you.

What specifically makes you think Epi is good in the wake of what I have presented?

Tone. If I'm wrong I'll be super pissed at myself.

Question: how was Epis laziness vote for her different than the case against her?

At some point you have to separate tone and actions. Lenny from 'Of Mice and Men' was very kind to that rabbit before snapping its neck.

How was Epi's laziness vote for Sorsha different than the case against her?
What was lazy about it? Did he say somewhere it was a lazy vote? Because nothing about his vote seemed lazy. It happened like 1-2 minutes before the deadline. It almost seemed spiteful.

Why did Sorsha vote Illyria instead of LC? LC had 3 votes- 1 of which was Epi- while Illyria had 3 votes, 1 of which was LC. Epi could have sent Illyria home, but his defense of that checks out in that he believed Illyria to be good. So it would make sense for him to vote Sorsha to save Illyria.

I don't view this as a lazy vote, because a lazy vote would have been for LC, where he left it. No, this was a calculated vote.

[Scotty]

RIP Llama

If Epi is mafia and he's been taken off the poll 3 times then hahaha that's pretty funny. Deeeeerp.

3 times? I thought it was only 2

[ika]

As for how I know it, I keep track of when you bitches last logged in. I pay attention to when Days end and Nights end. I see who was online during that window and who wasn't. Some people have not been using their roles.

That's one big reason civilians lose, ika. They don't use their roles.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

thats rich, if you were a logcial player you would know thats the most fallcious argument to make. town doesnt need its roles to win, they only need the lynch. to make an argument that players dont use role = town loses is super terrible.

town realistcly if played right, would never need their roles, like i said, i played 3 games here and the single game where i was town and the PR didnt use his role, we won. other 2 games everyone used thier roles.

[ika]

That beign said, i think epi is jsut making bullshit about knowing who's on and who's not, its very easy to put on invisible mode to hide yourself and unless he has powers to bypass that (and if he does and uses it i would call that cheating for using something only he can get that others can not). and even then i think its a stretch

[Epignosis]

That beign said, i think epi is jsut making bullshit about knowing who's on and who's not, its very easy to put on invisible mode to hide yourself and unless he has powers to bypass that (and if he does and uses it i would call that cheating for using something only he can get that others can not). and even then i think its a stretch

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/member ... file&u=410

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Nothing powerful about it.

[ika]

That beign said, i think epi is jsut making bullshit about knowing who's on and who's not, its very easy to put on invisible mode to hide yourself and unless he has powers to bypass that (and if he does and uses it i would call that cheating for using something only he can get that others can not). and even then i think its a stretch

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Nothing powerful about it.

didnt change my point that if one thinks town loses based on PR or lack of results of PR play is silly. town at its core is nothign more then town vs mafia and town should only need the power of the lynch

[ika]

its the same with mine if you look at it you see it has no "last visited" time

[Ricochet]

I once went all the way to 131072 on an extended 2048 game. Then I got bored.

[Scotty]

That beign said, i think epi is jsut making bullshit about knowing who's on and who's not, its very easy to put on invisible mode to hide yourself and unless he has powers to bypass that (and if he does and uses it i would call that cheating for using something only he can get that others can not). and even then i think its a stretch

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Nothing powerful about it.

didnt change my point that if one thinks town loses based on PR or lack of results of PR play is silly. town at its core is nothign more then town vs mafia and town should only need the power of the lynch

The simple answer here is: neither of us exist.

[Marmot]

I think Epignosis brought an argument to the table that isn't viable.

I've played that extension of 2048. I got bored after only 8192.

[Epignosis]

I think Epignosis has always assumed something about member profiles that turns out to be incorrect.

[Epignosis]

After a successful kill, things will be 6-2. Then I go and there's another kill, which makes it 4-2.

If you need to satisfy your curiosity regarding Logan's blind insistence that I be lynched, I am helpless to stop you. I will be gone, and your curiosity will remain until Logan himself can answer you about his poor move.

But after I am gone, do not let ika live another day.

[Epignosis]

ika insists that he knows that civilians only need the lynch to be successful. Nowhere was I disputing that. However, since he raises that point, ika's votes are:

Dom
1
ika (1)
4%

(No vote Day 2)

Spacedaisy
6
thellama73 (2), Scotty (6), Dom (7), ika (8), DrWilgy (16), Long Con (17)
32%

sig
3
Long Con (6), ika (7), Matt (15)
19%

Ika
5
sig (12), ika (13), Dom (14), Metalmarsh89 (19), Scotty (20)
25%

Illyria
4
Matt (3), ika (14), Long Con (16), Sorsha (17)
22%

thellama73
3
ika (6), Scotty (13), Black Rock (15)
18%

Do these votes and the reason (or lack of a reason) behind them give you the impression ika is using the lynches to be a successful civilian?

++++

There was also the exchange between Sorsha and ika in the beginning. I encourage everyone to read through it and ask themselves if that sounds like an innocent exchange between players or mafia teammates interacting in the open.

++++

I don't want Rob to die.

And I didn't want scums to nk silver. But it sucks we can't have everything we like.

Turf Wars, ika insisted we kill Silverwolf. MCS, ika insisted his team kill Silverwolf.

I don't think the mafia would have thought to kill Silverwolf Night 1 as a means of framing ika. The MCS one even occurred after the Downton one.

Question: If you don't believe ika killed Silverwolf, who among the living would think to kill her Night 1?

[Illyria]

so prob epi and dom?

Absolutely not either of them. Is this your way of kicking open the door and announcing you are Mafia?

so prob epi and dom?

It's cute that it's you and Scotty.

IKR??

i like how dom tries to discret the confirmed town with a simple "oh he was blackmailed"

Yeah, I like it too. He's probably right.

I concur.

Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?

hey MM who would you vote for tommorw?

You

Or Scotty.

Or Matt.



Epignosis has been removed from the lynch poll three times now. Either he his mafia and has blackmailed that role three times now and succeeded, he is mafia and some civilian trusts him enough to keep removing him for no particular reason, or he's a civilian. I believe it is the final of these three options.

That is my list as well.

Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

Or Mrs Hughes knows something you do not.

Anyone want to try some of this watermelon lime ale I'm drinking?

*gags*

No..... No thank you. Very kind of you to offer.

Right now, I think Matt and ika need to be lynched.

I am totally down with that.

I have backed down from this earlier because Epi has been removed from the poll twice and has been backed up by Black Rock and Dom for his supposed "civ play". Epi doesn't even believe in meta gaming, so at some point, what separates his civ play from his Mafia play? Mrs Hughes has BTSC with another civ, so agreement among two people that otherwise know nothing does not a clean person make. People make mistakes.

OR you have missed something.

Also, Ika why DID you vote for Llama???

[Scotty]

so prob epi and dom?

Absolutely not either of them. Is this your way of kicking open the door and announcing you are Mafia?

so prob epi and dom?

It's cute that it's you and Scotty.

IKR??

i like how dom tries to discret the confirmed town with a simple "oh he was blackmailed"

Yeah, I like it too. He's probably right.

I concur.

Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?

hey MM who would you vote for tommorw?

You

Or Scotty.

Or Matt.



Epignosis has been removed from the lynch poll three times now. Either he his mafia and has blackmailed that role three times now and succeeded, he is mafia and some civilian trusts him enough to keep removing him for no particular reason, or he's a civilian. I believe it is the final of these three options.

That is my list as well.

Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

Or Mrs Hughes knows something you do not.

Anyone want to try some of this watermelon lime ale I'm drinking?

*gags*

No..... No thank you. Very kind of you to offer.

Right now, I think Matt and ika need to be lynched.

I am totally down with that.

I have backed down from this earlier because Epi has been removed from the poll twice and has been backed up by Black Rock and Dom for his supposed "civ play". Epi doesn't even believe in meta gaming, so at some point, what separates his civ play from his Mafia play? Mrs Hughes has BTSC with another civ, so agreement among two people that otherwise know nothing does not a clean person make. People make mistakes.

OR you have missed something.

Also, Ika why DID you vote for Llama???

You are my pick for the second Mafia once Epi flips bad fyi

[Matt]

People who want to lynch ika or me, dat's cool...

But why do people insist on looking at Scotty? I'd like to believe a civ Wilgy wouldn't eff around and if he plainly stated don't look Scotty's way as if it was fact, and considering his role, I'm inclined to believe him.

Illy do you think Wilgy was just full of it or what?

[Illyria]

so prob epi and dom?

Absolutely not either of them. Is this your way of kicking open the door and announcing you are Mafia?

so prob epi and dom?

It's cute that it's you and Scotty.

IKR??

i like how dom tries to discret the confirmed town with a simple "oh he was blackmailed"

Yeah, I like it too. He's probably right.

I concur.

Dom, why did you vote for... nobody?

hey MM who would you vote for tommorw?

You

Or Scotty.

Or Matt.



Epignosis has been removed from the lynch poll three times now. Either he his mafia and has blackmailed that role three times now and succeeded, he is mafia and some civilian trusts him enough to keep removing him for no particular reason, or he's a civilian. I believe it is the final of these three options.

That is my list as well.

Holy shit. I didn't realize llama's last 10 posts are all very decisive on Epi's badness. This started on day 5, in which Epi was taken off the poll for the second time of the game for some reason. I don't think Llama misplayed his role like Epi suggests, and actually would be flabbergasted if he didn't lie check Epi. I don't know what lie this would have been, but it would make sense.

Epi was one of the 3 names Wilgy listed as people he didn't trust before he was lynched.

So.

To me, this is pretty clear, and my earlier suspicions of Epi were not unfounded. I feel much better voting for Epi tomorrow. But only if Mrs Hughes is done having a nice laugh removing Epi from the poll, we can make stuff happen.

Dom, why are you defending Epi? If Epi flips bad, I could be in good conscience to lead a lynch on you based on these interactions I'm seeing

Or Mrs Hughes knows something you do not.

Anyone want to try some of this watermelon lime ale I'm drinking?

*gags*

No..... No thank you. Very kind of you to offer.

Right now, I think Matt and ika need to be lynched.

I am totally down with that.

I have backed down from this earlier because Epi has been removed from the poll twice and has been backed up by Black Rock and Dom for his supposed "civ play". Epi doesn't even believe in meta gaming, so at some point, what separates his civ play from his Mafia play? Mrs Hughes has BTSC with another civ, so agreement among two people that otherwise know nothing does not a clean person make. People make mistakes.

OR you have missed something.

Also, Ika why DID you vote for Llama???

You are my pick for the second Mafia once Epi flips bad fyi

That is okay, because you are my number one pick if you get Epi lynched.

Matt, I think Dr Wilgy forgot that there are two potential BTSC teams on the civs side.

[Dom]

Why did he get Sorsha lynched?

But I appreciate how adamantly you are questioning the validity of the evidence before you.

What specifically makes you think Epi is good in the wake of what I have presented?

Tone. If I'm wrong I'll be super pissed at myself.

Question: how was Epis laziness vote for her different than the case against her?

At some point you have to separate tone and actions. Lenny from 'Of Mice and Men' was very kind to that rabbit before snapping its neck.

How was Epi's laziness vote for Sorsha different than the case against her?
What was lazy about it? Did he say somewhere it was a lazy vote? Because nothing about his vote seemed lazy. It happened like 1-2 minutes before the deadline. It almost seemed spiteful.

Why did Sorsha vote Illyria instead of LC? LC had 3 votes- 1 of which was Epi- while Illyria had 3 votes, 1 of which was LC. Epi could have sent Illyria home, but his defense of that checks out in that he believed Illyria to be good. So it would make sense for him to vote Sorsha to save Illyria.

I don't view this as a lazy vote, because a lazy vote would have been for LC, where he left it. No, this was a calculated vote.

No... you misunderstood my comment. Epig's reason for voting Sorsha was her laziness.

I think Epignosis has always assumed something about member profiles that turns out to be incorrect.

You shouldn't use that in the future.

You are my pick for the second Mafia once Epi flips bad fyi

cute

[Matt]

Wilgy was a btsc checker tho, right? If he essentially cleared Scotty, which it seems he did, then that would mean his assumed btsc check on Scotty came out negative.

Unless you believe there were shenanigans involving either Wilgy's assumed btsc check OR Wilgy was just causing shenanigans himself.

Epi, when Sorsha was lynched, you had your vote on Long Con before you moved it last second, right?

[Illyria]

Wilgy was a btsc checker tho, right? If he essentially cleared Scotty, which it seems he did, then that would mean his assumed btsc check on Scotty came out negative.

Unless you believe there were shenanigans involving either Wilgy's assumed btsc check OR Wilgy was just causing shenanigans himself.

Epi, when Sorsha was lynched, you had your vote on Long Con before you moved it last second, right?

Yes, he was. But if he was looking for BTSC, there are three groups two civ, one mafia so just because he found someone who had BTSC does not mean he found Mafia. Yes, he cleared Scotty and I do not know him well enough to say he would cause shenanigans for the lulz. There are a few roles that can influence people so there is a possibility of his checks being skewed.

[Matt]

Wilgy was a btsc checker tho, right? If he essentially cleared Scotty, which it seems he did, then that would mean his assumed btsc check on Scotty came out negative.

Unless you believe there were shenanigans involving either Wilgy's assumed btsc check OR Wilgy was just causing shenanigans himself.

Epi, when Sorsha was lynched, you had your vote on Long Con before you moved it last second, right?

Yes, he was. But if he was looking for BTSC, there are three groups two civ, one mafia so just because he found someone who had BTSC does not mean he found Mafia. Yes, he cleared Scotty and I do not know him well enough to say he would cause shenanigans for the lulz. There are a few roles that can influence people so there is a possibility of his checks being skewed.

I'm confused here. I'm asking about Scotty, not anyone else. It looks like you are defending Epi, possibly others, from being on Wilgy's list, and I agree even if he checked them and the check came out positive, does not mean they are bad.

But why is Scotty on your list of people you want to lynch? If he checked Scotty, and then came to the thread "DON'T LOOK AT SCOTTY!", then the check came out negative. Meaning no btsc.

Why are people looking at Scotty? For the love of everything, whyyyyyyy?

[Illyria]

Wilgy was a btsc checker tho, right? If he essentially cleared Scotty, which it seems he did, then that would mean his assumed btsc check on Scotty came out negative.

Unless you believe there were shenanigans involving either Wilgy's assumed btsc check OR Wilgy was just causing shenanigans himself.

Epi, when Sorsha was lynched, you had your vote on Long Con before you moved it last second, right?

Yes, he was. But if he was looking for BTSC, there are three groups two civ, one mafia so just because he found someone who had BTSC does not mean he found Mafia. Yes, he cleared Scotty and I do not know him well enough to say he would cause shenanigans for the lulz. There are a few roles that can influence people so there is a possibility of his checks being skewed.

I'm confused here. I'm asking about Scotty, not anyone else. It looks like you are defending Epi, possibly others, from being on Wilgy's list, and I agree even if he checked them and the check came out positive, does not mean they are bad.

But why is Scotty on your list of people you want to lynch? If he checked Scotty, and then came to the thread "DON'T LOOK AT SCOTTY!", then the check came out negative. Meaning no btsc.

Why are people looking at Scotty? For the love of everything, whyyyyyyy?

Sorry. I am looking at Scotty because he is being deliberately obtuse imo.

[Epignosis]

Wilgy was a btsc checker tho, right? If he essentially cleared Scotty, which it seems he did, then that would mean his assumed btsc check on Scotty came out negative.

Unless you believe there were shenanigans involving either Wilgy's assumed btsc check OR Wilgy was just causing shenanigans himself.

Epi, when Sorsha was lynched, you had your vote on Long Con before you moved it last second, right?

That is correct. And it would have stayed there, I will admit, until Sorsha moved her vote.

That brings me to my shower revelation: Lorab had her vote on LC too.

DrWilgy
1
LoRab (17)
4%

++++

Missed vote. Sorsha voted Bubbles.

++++

Missed vote. Sorsha voted Long Con.

++++

Nerolunar
6
Epignosis (3), Illyria (5), Black Rock (7), Long Con (8), Sorsha (10), LoRab (16)
30%

++++

Long Con
2
Dom (10), LoRab (15)
11%

Sorsha moved her vote off LC to vote Illyria.

++++

Scotty
1
LoRab (17)
6%

++++

In the interest of being thorough, these are Lorab's votes so far. Nothing terribly inspiring. If the mafia didn't kill their own teammate, then the Long Con votes could have been an attempt to save Sorsha, but Matt was stinking up the thread farting Illyria's name over and over. Can a fart even sound like "Illyria?" Somehow I don't think it can. Her voting Illyria (if she were around) would look too fishy if Illyria got lynched and turned out to be good.

My point is that Lorab has stayed on the sidelines largely, like Sorsha, and if your thinking is that mafia let civilians lynch each other, that's what she's doing if she's bad.

Yes, I know what DrWilgy said. A gentlemen still must cogitate aloud.

[Matt]

I didn't fart anyone's name

This is where I'm currently at, even if there are things behind the scenes that I may not understand, but at face value...

Wilgy, the btsc checker, said to leave Scotty alone. Scotty = civ.

Epi has been removed from the poll twice (three times? I dunno, whatever, even if it's twice...), and that makes me believe he's also civ.

These are the only two I think are civ in the whole game (haha) and it's funny cuz I think they're against each other right now.

I haven't ISO'd Llama, I know some of you have been checking his suspects, but was there any player out there that Llama said "Hey I believe they're totes okay" or something similar?