Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[Epignosis]

So say we all and what the fuck ever.

I just won an incredibly stressful game in Yorkshire. I'm good here, so yep. Hello.

[DrumBeats]

Currently still on page 10, but I'm noticing Ricochet talking a lot but providing no information of his/her own. Rico seems to mostly be focussed on discrediting other people's opinions instead of providing any. Definitely pinging my scumdar as of now, but we will see how this carries in the next 4 pages.

[DrumBeats]

*spreadsheets Ricochet as "willfully uncooperative, Day 1*

Consistent with who I am, still.

How did you spreadsheet ika?

What is your read on ika?

linki: oh wait, it seems you just written something.

Again with Rico, but pushing for someone else's read on ika when he/she has yet to provide his/her own doesn't sit well with me.

Town read currently on JJJ as of page 10, very productive pushes for info and info hunting.

Null read with a slight town lean on ika as of page 10 as well. Is providing reads, but not backing it up. Strikes me as a less confident townie as of now.

Null read with a slight town lean on Matt as well for the flavor theories as of page 10/

[Marmot]

So say we all and what the fuck ever.

I just won an incredibly stressful game in Yorkshire. I'm good here, so yep. Hello.

Hello!

[Epignosis]

So say we all and what the fuck ever.

I just won an incredibly stressful game in Yorkshire. I'm good here, so yep. Hello.

Hello!

[Marmot]

So say we all and what the fuck ever.

I just won an incredibly stressful game in Yorkshire. I'm good here, so yep. Hello.

Hello!

For some reason, I just really wanted to vote for you in the other game that just ended, but I couldn't. So I voted for you here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You can town read me JJJ.

I'd love to, sig. Inspire me. Make me feel that special feeling. Do you think you've provided something that might warrant a town read? I understand you cannot be cleared obviously, but perhaps you've said something that you think should be to your credit?

[DrumBeats]

Currently rethinking the town lean on Matt. In order for me to know how to take it, meta-speaking, does Matt usually theorize about the broad game early on, or is this "Matttalk" exclusive to this game.

[DrumBeats]

Also, given that it's very possible humans could be mafia, slight scum read on Long Con for suggesting Dee use her power every single night until it's used up.

Can you imagine? LC brings that idea up. Dee follows through. Mafia hopes that Dee goes along with this, targets one of their own Night 1, and BOOM, skates the rest of the game.

This read doesn't make sense to me. Why would the scum ever target one of their own based upon this knowledge? If Dee did not use her power, a scum would die. If Dee did, there would be no kill. Now consider this on a real human target. Should Dee not use her power, a civ dies, and if she does there would be no kill. Same outcome for less risk. I do not see anything to logically validate this read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Currently rethinking the town lean on Matt. In order for me to know how to take it, meta-speaking, does Matt usually theorize about the broad game early on, or is this "Matttalk" exclusive to this game.

Matt is renown for his outside-the-box theorizing; he does it regardless of alignment. That's not to say a valid read can't be derived from his behavior though -- you simply have to assess each theory he provides case-by-case and decide whether it's a sincere thought he's conveying.

[Epignosis]

So say we all and what the fuck ever.

I just won an incredibly stressful game in Yorkshire. I'm good here, so yep. Hello.

Hello!

For some reason, I just really wanted to vote for you in the other game that just ended, but I couldn't. So I voted for you here.

That's cool man. I buy that.

[Marmot]

Question for the Coward: why are there two Cylon number eights?

Also, why is the number 33 in this post subject?

[Epignosis]

I am going to name some people I think are good and some people I think are bad. Old school style.

ika
MM
Matt

That's three I think are good.

Three I think are bad?

Ricochet
Drumbeats
G-Man

That something for 3J. Knock yourself out man. I'm tired after today.

[DrumBeats]

Currently rethinking the town lean on Matt. In order for me to know how to take it, meta-speaking, does Matt usually theorize about the broad game early on, or is this "Matttalk" exclusive to this game.

Matt is renown for his outside-the-box theorizing; he does it regardless of alignment. That's not to say a valid read can't be derived from his behavior though -- you simply have to assess each theory he provides case-by-case and decide whether it's a sincere thought he's conveying.

Alright, thanks. My main thoughts about it is that I think he is 100% right about Felix, which has me a bit worried that he is Felix and knows the extent of his role. Felix's role is hidden on the OP and that being mentioned without mentioning the hidden role in the OP made me think of the possibility. The fact that he usually theorizes makes me find this a bit less likely, but still possible. Retaining the null read + slight town lean on him rn.

[Marmot]

Epignosis basically just posted a rainbow list. Old school style.

[Epignosis]

Epignosis basically just posted a rainbow list. Old school style.

Nah.

[ika]

Epignosis basically just posted a rainbow list. Old school style.

Nah.

Epi in denial

[Epignosis]

I just spent Downton Abbey playing WWJJJD?

I won.

Gotta give credit.

Still ain't doin no goddamn rainbow lists.

[ika]

I just spent Downton Abbey playing WWJJJD?

I won.

Gotta give credit.

Still ain't doin no goddamn rainbow lists.

Weather you want to admit it or not, what you did was somewhat of a rainbow list I mean I could litarly past colors on it and it's now a rainbow list.

[DrumBeats]

Ok, so after catching up, I'll do a basic 3/3 list as well for information's sake.

Good:

JJJ
ika
G-Man

Toastery:

Rico
Vompatti
LoRab

FoS: Ricochet

Richochet has been arguably the most vocal player this game, but looking back, Ricochet has provided nothing with his/her many posts. The only thing Rico did was attempt to discredit basically every other post. This is a very proscum approach because its sole purpose is to reduce town information. Rico has not provided a single town/toaster read iirc. In all of those posts, there is no reason to have no reads at all imo. I don't know meta, so I can't judge based on that, but nothing about this behavior strikes me as protown.

We're only about halfway (?) through the day though, so I'll hold my vote for now until later. Currently, my vote would rest with my FoS unless there is a convincing argument for somebody else later in the day.

[Silverwolf]

Well, it's been a long, busy day and I'm dead tired. I'll be around for a little bit trying to catch up on a bunch of posts before I pass out. If anyone has any questions for me, now is the time.

[ika]

Well, it's been a long, busy day and I'm dead tired. I'll be around for a little bit trying to catch up on a bunch of posts before I pass out. If anyone has any questions for me, now is the time.

HIIIIIIIIII

i was oping we could do some read comparsions but i know your tired so tommorw?

[nutella]

Question for the Coward: why are there two Cylon number eights?

Also, why is the number 33 in this post subject?

I've only seen the first season of the show so I don't fully understand it but I'm pretty sure the cylon numbers are sort of like "models" in that there are multiple clones/identical-appearing cylons in various places, and the two Sharons are the same model

[Silverwolf]

Well, it's been a long, busy day and I'm dead tired. I'll be around for a little bit trying to catch up on a bunch of posts before I pass out. If anyone has any questions for me, now is the time.

HIIIIIIIIII

i was oping we could do some read comparsions but i know your tired so tommorw?

Yes, I'll do some brief catch up now and we can finish tomorrow. I know you are tired also.

[ika]

Well, it's been a long, busy day and I'm dead tired. I'll be around for a little bit trying to catch up on a bunch of posts before I pass out. If anyone has any questions for me, now is the time.

HIIIIIIIIII

i was oping we could do some read comparsions but i know your tired so tommorw?

Yes, I'll do some brief catch up now and we can finish tomorrow. I know you are tired also.

i am

i wish i could of gone to the party with you, ive been missing you.

[a2thezebra]

Oh don't get me started on Day 1 lynches, man.

[a2thezebra]

So many options, all this responsibility, the feeling of impending regret, but someone has to go and it's not going to be me. I'll do whatever it takes.

[Silverwolf]

FoS Ricochet for not being able to get a read of any kind on ika after having a long convo with him and after ika has posted numerous times.

Also, he spent a huge amount of time trying to discredit ika's townread on me and other townreads as well.

How humorous that ika can read me without reasoning one bit when asked, simply because it's in his nature, yet I'm supposed to provide reads when asked, that I have clearly stated to have not formed yet, simply because it's not in my nature to post reads when I don't have them.

Where did I discredit ika's townread of you? Did I mention anywhere a read on you or actively disagreed with a townread of you? His townread had two components, of which the first component got me interested in how you behave in the opposite scenario of how you did.

What other townreads have I "discredited"?

Mine on Polo for starters. Also, anyone townreading any of the puzzle solvers. Then ika's on me.

I'd say more but I'm going out and can address this more when I get back.

So me literally saying "I think Silverwolf's assessment of it is quite fair" is me discrediting you?

Me merely having empirical reservations about it being the case that challenge solvers are town-prone and reservations that a player of any color would not express frustration at being called out for doing heavy duty is discrediting townreads?

I literally said what I had to say about not discrediting ika's townread of you in the quote above, so I'm not sure that accusation resurfaced completely unchanged.

You are using the word discredit for things I did not to. And me explaining things (such as what I was curious about in the convo with ika) seems to fall on deaf ears?

OK, Let me point out some posts now that I'm back.

1.4. I have no inclination to read into the intentions of those who have worked on deciphering the messages (or didn't) - good work on solving it, btw! I remember two past games with deciphering tiles (sorry if there were more I'm not recalling). In Death Note, a mostly mixed ensemble of civs, baddies and unkillable Shinigamis worked on cracking it. In Turf Wars, we indies had a challenge like that and our goal was common. I think Silverwolf's assessment of it is quite fair, but even there, if a person was frustrated by being called out whilst trying to solve the challenge (Polo, I think), that frustration could simply come from anyone who is trying to work it out. Then again, I am intrigued by Polo himself having used this very same angle to berate LoRab.

All in all, you are not getting reads from me based on how you contributed to the puzzles.

Here you discredit my read on polo and also anybody's reads on anyone who helped with the puzzle.

Now, I find it odd that you are keeping a list of people who did not obey the rules because I see no relevance in that and it looks like busy work to me. I mean, it's pretty easy to forget to say so say we all. I don't think it makes a person scum to forget it. The thing I find interesting in all this, is you are hanging onto a detail that's meaningless for reads while discounting reads that were well thought out and explained. This looks like a scum mindset to me.

I'm not gonna quote them all but you spend a considerable amount of time questioning ika's townread of me and how I would behave as scum. Now, if you were using this to get a read from ika, I might understand but you end up after a whole long convo with him, with no read. He's posted a shit ton of info and you have no read on him at all? Makes no sense. And you don't seem to want his townread on me to have any validity. This is all scummy behavior.

Finally, you spend a whole lot of time being defensive. Basically, everything anyone says against you, you answer with a defensive remark and a kind of "throwing it back in their face" attitude. I don't have any history playing with you, but I'd call you scum for this alone just based on motivation.

So, you are my biggest FoS right now. If I had to vote now, it'd be on you.

[ika]

now that you mention thelist thing, it reminds me of a lot of old FM games where scums would litarly only post lists and stuff to look town

[Silverwolf]

i wish i could of gone to the party with you, ive been missing you.

It was fun. Wish you could of been there as well.

[Silverwolf]

now that you mention thelist thing, it reminds me of a lot of old FM games where scums would litarly only post lists and stuff to look town

It's busy work and I don't get the point of it. It looks helpful but is it?

[ika]

now that you mention thelist thing, it reminds me of a lot of old FM games where scums would litarly only post lists and stuff to look town

It's busy work and I don't get the point of it. It looks helpful but is it?

no, realistically its not helpful. to further explain, in the FM games people would just make a giant chart of everyone's claims/flips/ect and thats all they would do. when they got suspicion thrown on them they would just do "OH IM MAKING A LIST"

i know i have done it before as well as scum

[ika]

i mean if someone made a list of who flipped what or claims (if that was allowed) it can be helpful on surface level but in long term it does nothing and people who actively do that i suspect more

[Inawordyes]

So say we all.

I hate to just post and run but I didn't realize the game was starting so soon and I don't have any time to be able to do anything significant. I did read over half of the current posts but I'm stopping here and I'm gonna continue tomorrow.

Quick observations: I've got a town read on Sikverwolf and - and I completely acknowledge that I'm being a hypocrite in thinking this, btw - a slight scum read on Nerolunar. He popped in and out in the same manor I did/am doing, but I have conformation bias on my side to know why I couldn't be here. Was at a family gathering of sorts all day. He just basically said "I can't be here, here's my post, see ya later". It feels like making an excuse not to post, which isn't good for a multitude of reasons and at best is anti-town. I'm also probably overthinking this too haha.

Normally, because I'm used to it culturally, I'd vote him to get him to talk, but I can't do that here because votes, once cast, are permanent (if I read correctly), so I'm gonna put a big FoS on Nero and hopefully he'll say or will have said more stuff.

I should be back tomorrow and able to do more, so feel free to run me into the ground for this post while I'm absent, I expect it to happen because it always does regardless of alignment so I'm not too overly concerned with how I'm coming across. I'm also tired haha, so I just don't quite care in general.

[ika]

someone remind me tomorrow to try to make a rainbow list if possible im too tired right now to make one. normmaly i have all my reads sorted but i just dunno them offhand unles i make rainbows

[Silverwolf]

voted ika dfor exisescessive tpos

You put a permanent vote on someone for typos when they are known to typo a lot? Are you calling for a PL on ika? I will fight you hard on that as I strongly believe he is town. I don't let my townreads get lynched, especially not policy lynched.

ika is town, he's active, engaged, interested in the game, developing reads-my top townread right now

Drumbeats and JJJ are also townreads.

Ricochet is a scumread and I'm not feeling great about SVS either. Her lack of contribution to the game, despite posting, makes me suspect her.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You put a permanent vote on someone for typos when they are known to typo a lot? Are you calling for a PL on ika? I will fight you hard on that as I strongly believe he is town. I don't let my townreads get lynched, especially not policy lynched.

Welcome to Vompatti Mafia.

(I'm not defending him. I have no clue about him and probably never will.)

[ika]

voted ika dfor exisescessive tpos

You put a permanent vote on someone for typos when they are known to typo a lot? Are you calling for a PL on ika? I will fight you hard on that as I strongly believe he is town. I don't let my townreads get lynched, especially not policy lynched.

ika is town, he's active, engaged, interested in the game, developing reads-my top townread right now

Drumbeats and JJJ are also townreads.

Ricochet is a scumread and I'm not feeling great about SVS either. Her lack of contribution to the game, despite posting, makes me suspect her.

i had her kinda null for her last post at ricochet. i haven't done a full iso.

[ika]

You put a permanent vote on someone for typos when they are known to typo a lot? Are you calling for a PL on ika? I will fight you hard on that as I strongly believe he is town. I don't let my townreads get lynched, especially not policy lynched.

Welcome to Vompatti Mafia.

(I'm not defending him. I have no clue about him and probably never will.)

we played a heist game with him. i think he will be fairly readable as time goes on

[Silverwolf]

You put a permanent vote on someone for typos when they are known to typo a lot? Are you calling for a PL on ika? I will fight you hard on that as I strongly believe he is town. I don't let my townreads get lynched, especially not policy lynched.

Welcome to Vompatti Mafia.

(I'm not defending him. I have no clue about him and probably never will.)

I've already put him in the unreadable enigma camp and that's probably where he'll stay for awhile.

[ika]

im heading to bed. i will be around tommorw

[indiglo]

So many options, all this responsibility, the feeling of impending regret, but someone has to go and it's not going to be me. I'll do whatever it takes.

Reading my mind lady, reading my mind. I guess if we're going to play FoS (which sounds some how vaguely disgusting to me) mine would have to point to Rico at this moment as well.

I'm not pinged by Matt at the moment. I see normal Matt business happening there. (And I really didn't think ALL his theories were crazy or out there either.)

JJJ strikes me as full on P50 mode. So light town read there atm.

Light town reads on ika and SW atm as well.

Some others that I'd like to try to gauge straight away haven't been terribly active yet, so will have to wait on those. For some of them, no knowledge of the show may be getting in the way, or the fact that it is the weekend, or whatever. I don't understand how some folks can come out of the first half of Day 1 with a bunch of reads they feel confident about. I don't feel confident about mine, but maybe that's the mafia culture I come from. (HV - Where Srs Bsns Is Not Our Bsns. *Those were the days.*) But then I guess, many of the folks posting reads aren't saying they're written in stone, they're just light reads, which I can get down with.

If I had to vote right this minute, I'd probably toss it Rico's way. But I don't, which is good. Because too many Day 1 lynches (in my experience at least) are mislynches and for stupid reasons, like someone sneezed or coughed when they shouldn't have, etc. And no, I don't think the Rico ping is quite that frivolous, but in the grand scheme of things it could be meaningless.

My brain is starting to shut down so this is getting very stream of consciousness. I'll stop now before I get even weirder.


Linki w/SW - LOL Good call on the Vompatti situ. Very good call indeed.

[Marmot]

now that you mention thelist thing, it reminds me of a lot of old FM games where scums would litarly only post lists and stuff to look town

It's busy work and I don't get the point of it. It looks helpful but is it?

I like lists. I make lists of things when I'm not even playing mafia.

[Long Con]

So say we all!

For that matter, I really liked Felix on the show, but at the same time can easily see Golden putting him as a "Mafia".

Derp.

I hated that betraying bastard. He's on The 100 as well, and I always hope for him to get killed horribly, just for being Gaeta.

Overall, I'm going to sum up Matt's current theories as one of the following:

a) knowing or extrapolating something, likely from his role, that I don't or can't, as per fraking usual
b) Matttalk

I find your unwillingness to agree that it's possible some humans could be mafia...is strange. Especially since it seems like you've seen the show yourself.

Hrm.

I think you are bad, this post seems like badness to me.

I don't know who these "toasters" are because I've never seen the show. Can someone give me an explanation?

Ping!

in the time it took juliets to say this, she could've googled "battlestar galactica" and "toasters" and probably come up with the answer herself. Hrm.

Not scummy to me. I often prefer to ask in-thread rather than look it up, depending on the context.

Also, given that it's very possible humans could be mafia, slight scum read on Long Con for suggesting Dee use her power every single night until it's used up.

Can you imagine? LC brings that idea up. Dee follows through. Mafia hopes that Dee goes along with this, targets one of their own Night 1, and BOOM, skates the rest of the game.

And the result is a night without death, exactly the same as if they had targeted a Civ human. I CAN imagine that, and it seems fine to me. What's the downside?

If one presumes anything other than that I don't intend for clarity out of my shrugs, you are probably doing it wrong. The best presumption is that I hoped the game would throw up these discussions, regardless of the truth of game setup, and it's much more interesting for me to watch exploration of what the game might be than to give you any hint of what it is.

Cool but I still think LC might be bad now.

Whaaaat up

Hmmmm... yeah, you're my guy.

I am voting for Matt right now.

add in the fact you are apprently null reading her and STILL have no read on me.....

ya i can say theres a lot of problems with the dicussion

Your seeming obsession with bullying Rico into making a read on you makes you look bad to me. What is your goal? What will you say if he says he thinks you're bad? And if he thinks you're good?

Okay mild town read to Zebra for taking indignant offense to arbitrary harshness.

Slick move, Triple J.

The reason your presenting there is dumb iniself you know? Scum is scum

I know what is dumb and what is not dumb. I've played more Mafia than you have.

And I have played even more Mafia than that, and thus I have gained the ability to distinguish good poetry from bad, and am also able to determine which shades of blue are the best ones.

...an incredibly stressful game in Yorkshire.

Also, given that it's very possible humans could be mafia, slight scum read on Long Con for suggesting Dee use her power every single night until it's used up.

Can you imagine? LC brings that idea up. Dee follows through. Mafia hopes that Dee goes along with this, targets one of their own Night 1, and BOOM, skates the rest of the game.

This read doesn't make sense to me. Why would the scum ever target one of their own based upon this knowledge? If Dee did not use her power, a scum would die. If Dee did, there would be no kill. Now consider this on a real human target. Should Dee not use her power, a civ dies, and if she does there would be no kill. Same outcome for less risk. I do not see anything to logically validate this read.

Exactly!

You put a permanent vote on someone for typos when they are known to typo a lot? Are you calling for a PL on ika? I will fight you hard on that as I strongly believe he is town. I don't let my townreads get lynched, especially not policy lynched.

Welcome to Vompatti Mafia.

(I'm not defending him. I have no clue about him and probably never will.)

we played a heist game with him. i think he will be fairly readable as time goes on

Vompatti's meta is inscrutable.

I've already put him in the unreadable enigma camp and that's probably where he'll stay for awhile.

Um, yeah, he's a longtime Camp Counsellor there.

[SokothQultuq]

I'm so freaking confused..... I donno what's going on... ::head to desk...head to desk...::

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The reason your presenting there is dumb iniself you know? Scum is scum

I know what is dumb and what is not dumb. I've played more Mafia than you have.

And I have played even more Mafia than that, and thus I have gained the ability to distinguish good poetry from bad, and am also able to determine which shades of blue are the best ones.

I was just poking ika to incite a response that might be readable; I promise I'm not really that guy.

[Golden]

I would like to read a treatise from LC on which shades of blue are better than others.

In other news, while it has been very enjoyable reading your screeds of speculation today, some of it does demonstrate that people perhaps haven't taken in all of the available information in my early game posts. Particularly the one entitled 'Important Information'.

[Ricochet]

I am going to name some people I think are good and some people I think are bad. Old school style.

ika
MM
Matt

That's three I think are good.

Three I think are bad?

Ricochet
Drumbeats
G-Man

That something for 3J. Knock yourself out man. I'm tired after today.

FoS: Ricochet

Richochet has been arguably the most vocal player this game, but looking back, Ricochet has provided nothing with his/her many posts. The only thing Rico did was attempt to discredit basically every other post. This is a very proscum approach because its sole purpose is to reduce town information. Rico has not provided a single town/toaster read iirc. In all of those posts, there is no reason to have no reads at all imo. I don't know meta, so I can't judge based on that, but nothing about this behavior strikes me as protown.

We're only about halfway (?) through the day though, so I'll hold my vote for now until later. Currently, my vote would rest with my FoS unless there is a convincing argument for somebody else later in the day.

Second time already having to point out that I did actually assess things up to a point, until after that point it became a relentless chain of rebuttals. I may have developed more suspicions than clearances, but my early reads aren't ever black and white town-mafia and I don't do spontaneous reads to please the crowds.

FoS Ricochet for not being able to get a read of any kind on ika after having a long convo with him and after ika has posted numerous times.

Also, he spent a huge amount of time trying to discredit ika's townread on me and other townreads as well.

How humorous that ika can read me without reasoning one bit when asked, simply because it's in his nature, yet I'm supposed to provide reads when asked, that I have clearly stated to have not formed yet, simply because it's not in my nature to post reads when I don't have them.

Where did I discredit ika's townread of you? Did I mention anywhere a read on you or actively disagreed with a townread of you? His townread had two components, of which the first component got me interested in how you behave in the opposite scenario of how you did.

What other townreads have I "discredited"?

Mine on Polo for starters. Also, anyone townreading any of the puzzle solvers. Then ika's on me.

I'd say more but I'm going out and can address this more when I get back.

So me literally saying "I think Silverwolf's assessment of it is quite fair" is me discrediting you?

Me merely having empirical reservations about it being the case that challenge solvers are town-prone and reservations that a player of any color would not express frustration at being called out for doing heavy duty is discrediting townreads?

I literally said what I had to say about not discrediting ika's townread of you in the quote above, so I'm not sure that accusation resurfaced completely unchanged.

You are using the word discredit for things I did not to. And me explaining things (such as what I was curious about in the convo with ika) seems to fall on deaf ears?

OK, Let me point out some posts now that I'm back.

1.4. I have no inclination to read into the intentions of those who have worked on deciphering the messages (or didn't) - good work on solving it, btw! I remember two past games with deciphering tiles (sorry if there were more I'm not recalling). In Death Note, a mostly mixed ensemble of civs, baddies and unkillable Shinigamis worked on cracking it. In Turf Wars, we indies had a challenge like that and our goal was common. I think Silverwolf's assessment of it is quite fair, but even there, if a person was frustrated by being called out whilst trying to solve the challenge (Polo, I think), that frustration could simply come from anyone who is trying to work it out. Then again, I am intrigued by Polo himself having used this very same angle to berate LoRab.

All in all, you are not getting reads from me based on how you contributed to the puzzles.

Here you discredit my read on polo and also anybody's reads on anyone who helped with the puzzle.

This is getting borderline infuriating, you have now literally quoted the very post that I pointed out that not discrediting you or anything else to prove that I'm discrediting your or anything else. I'm entitled to interpreting based on experiencing and interpreting tone of a player's frustration, just as much as you or anybody else. Plus this line, which to say it discredits you is of monumental absurdity.

Really, Silverwolf, you're developing obstinacy and keep using the words you like without listening to counter-arguments literally shown in front of you. You yell "Discredit!", I show proof of that not being the case, you keeping yelling "Discredit!"

Now, I find it odd that you are keeping a list of people who did not obey the rules because I see no relevance in that and it looks like busy work to me. I mean, it's pretty easy to forget to say so say we all. I don't think it makes a person scum to forget it. The thing I find interesting in all this, is you are hanging onto a detail that's meaningless for reads while discounting reads that were well thought out and explained. This looks like a scum mindset to me.

Rule number one of this game is to salute the Admiral and Host properly. There are stated consequences in the rule, including the partial paragraph that disobeying this rule might justify suspicion. Where am I out of line, according to this rulebook? Besides, maybe I have a passion or interest to point out when rules are not respected, did you ever think of that angle?

Who is discrediting now? There's a rule in the fraking guide of this game and you're twisting it around saying it's fraking nothing.

I'm not gonna quote them all but you spend a considerable amount of time questioning ika's townread of me and how I would behave as scum. Now, if you were using this to get a read from ika, I might understand but you end up after a whole long convo with him, with no read. He's posted a shit ton of info and you have no read on him at all? Makes no sense. And you don't seem to want his townread on me to have any validity. This is all scummy behavior.

Obstinate read on my conversation with ika and on how I form reads or not. Keep reading your lines over and over, if that's what you want, I'm about as tired of this argument as I am of that "I discredited you" one.

Finally, you spend a whole lot of time being defensive. Basically, everything anyone says against you, you answer with a defensive remark and a kind of "throwing it back in their face" attitude. I don't have any history playing with you, but I'd call you scum for this alone just based on motivation. So, you are my biggest FoS right now. If I had to vote now, it'd be on you.

You'd be wrong. Defensiveness is my civ tell all the way through. I fight against waves of suspicions, challenges and sometimes even lynch attempts. If anything, I'm defensive when things are thrown at me.

now that you mention thelist thing, it reminds me of a lot of old FM games where scums would litarly only post lists and stuff to look town

It's busy work and I don't get the point of it. It looks helpful but is it?

The list thing that was the first item in a post of several, addressing several issues?

*more misrepresentation after these commercials*

[Ricochet]

Ugggh, post above is actually part 2/2 out of rebuttals. Must have written it over part 1/2.

Anyway, recovered part 1/2, so here it is.

to asnwer your later, im jsut going to ignore it then you should see form the game you hosted yourself that i have sit reasons all the time

Appeal to meta in a game I observed (whether by playing or hosting) is inconsequential, because I don't believe in meta being rigid and I'm not a meta collector. It further isn't significant, because it's not meta regarding what you do when good or when bad - which is the kind of meta I do indeed look back upon, sometimes - it's meta of how you scumhunt or do reads, at best. Which is, again, fine, if that's how you want to do, except me wanting to hear what scumread I'm supposed to defend myself will always trump everything else. Always has, always will.

Self-defense trumping everything is a scummy mindset imo. Scum win through self-preservation. As town, defending oneself is secondary and only really matters when a serious lynch is about to occur, since you would know it to be a mislynch if you were town. However, Ika threw out a light scumread, and you are already focussed on self-defense.

Minor scumread on Rico for this.

On a personal level, I disagree. I've experienced far worse suss'ing and even lynch danger as a civilian and this game is already shaping up to be no different. It has made me develop a defending style that follows a quite simple principle: I'm a player used to reason my reads, so I usually like to see the same, especially when it concerns me. You suspect me? Very well, state why and let's talk.

Now, you say ika simply "threw out" a "leaning scum" read on me, but I believe the full chain of events was him throwing the scumread, me asking why, him saying because posts, me saying that should be plain obvious and asking him again why, and him saying not now, because. That's an aggravation.

Currently still on page 10, but I'm noticing Ricochet talking a lot but providing no information of his/her own. Rico seems to mostly be focussed on discrediting other people's opinions instead of providing any. Definitely pinging my scumdar as of now, but we will see how this carries in the next 4 pages.

Is "discredited" the improper Word of the Day right now?

You say you picked it up roughly from page 10, but I'd suggest opening my ISO, going at the bottom of it and seeing that I've actually started the Day assessing a lot of things, on my own. That was before being dragged in almost half of day of rebuttals around the story of me not having reads ready on player when demanded and me having a conversation of principle about player meta in a complete opposite scenario from current context. Yeah.

But let's even absurdly use the discredit angle. Tell me where I did that, then, "instead of providing any" opinions.

If, by any stretch of the imagination, I discredited Silverwolf's towncredding the challenge solvers, I nevertheless provided a full personal perspective on how challenge hard workers haven't been proven to be civ clean in the past.

If, by any stretch of the imagination, I discredited Matt's theories about the actual design and structure of factions, I nevertheless provided my own take, which was simply focused on the human-cylon basic conflict and the Final Five mechanics. Plus I actually came up with some interpretation of Matt's intentions out of it.

But yeah, no wonder that buried under pages of "tell me yr reads bro how can you possibly have none" and "discredit discredit discredit", stuff of my own that I did actual posted got lost.

*spreadsheets Ricochet as "willfully uncooperative, Day 1*

Consistent with who I am, still.

How did you spreadsheet ika?

What is your read on ika?

linki: oh wait, it seems you just written something.

Again with Rico, but pushing for someone else's read on ika when he/she has yet to provide his/her own doesn't sit well with me.

Uh no. Chain of events again: conversation with ika, being asked of read him, saying I don't have any read formed, being contested by ika in how that's possible, [rebuttals rebuttals rebuttals], JJJ joining in in slightly contesting the fact that I didn't have any read formed on ika and then labelling me as uncooperative. So that's two players and countless posts on the subject of ika being read. I didn't simply push for JJJ to spill out his, in hypocritical fashion or anything, I reached the point of being challenged in this matter so much, until realizing that the person opposite (JJJ), at that time, was really on the same level with me of not having discerned in writting much from ika's posts.

I am going to name some people I think are good and some people I think are bad. Old school style.

ika
MM
Matt

That's three I think are good.

Three I think are bad?

Ricochet
Drumbeats
G-Man

That something for 3J. Knock yourself out man. I'm tired after today.

Why?

[Glorfindel]

I'm so freaking confused..... I donno what's going on... ::head to desk...head to desk...::

You're new here, aren't you? This is my fourth game on this site and I can assure you my friend that is how things work here. The light of truth is snuffed out and we're left to fumble around aimlessly in the inky blackness...