Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[Black Rock]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

Hey, I'm not set Epig is town. It's day one. There's just not any reason for me to vote him.

I did miss your reason. You have way to many posts to look through. Can you help a lady out? It would be helpful to see all positions here.

well adding in dsicreding silver and ignoring other votes (example turf wars)

he has low activity (truf wars)

funny enough in the short term of champ game he was much diffrent to silver the he is now

That was the reasons at the time of casting your vote?

i porb had more but i forgot them. i dont keep track of my reasons or anything.

Ok, fair enough.

[indiglo]

I had forgotten that. Yes, that may affect my immediate knee-jerk reaction to that particular post. Here is what I still find interesting about that back-and-forth after re-reading it.

You asked him:

If you're willing to share those notes, assuming they're about reads alone, then that'd be swell. It'd be something substantive to discuss instead of whatever we've had for the last 600 posts.

My understanding of this, is that you (JJJ) were asking GMan for reads on other players. Is that correct? If that is what you were asking for, do you feel like you got that from his post?

Good eye. For the sake of full context, when I said "assuming they're about reads alone", my intent was for him to not reveal any notes he might have logged about roles if they'd somehow already been possible.

I don't feel like I got reads from G-Man. I honestly don't suspect him though. He mentioned his note-taking, I asked him to share, and he did. I don't think his tone is at all sinister either.

Fair enough.


Linki~ with poop talk? Deja vu

[Polo]

Is the Huge Thing of Dirarea a quest item from a JRPG?

[ika]

oh and rico if it make you feel better i have a small town read on you.

there was somethign silver said that i wanted to touch on real quick

[Epignosis]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

I think this is a valid point, because there is a growing list of examples of "I've known this player for years and trust my ability to read him/her" proving disastrously wrong in recent memory. If I limit it just to The Syndicate:

Talking Heads: Non-Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of Long Con. Syndicate regulars defend Long Con because they know him better. Long Con is mafia.
Talking Heads: Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of MacDougall. Non-Syndicate regulars defend MacDougall because they know him better. MacDougall is mafia.
Turf Wars: Newer Syndicateer is heavily suspicious of Epignosis. Syndicate regulars defend Epignosis because they know him better. Epignosis is mafia.
Scrimmage: Newer Syndicateer and visiting players are heavily suspicious of MovingPictures07. Syndicate regulars defend MovingPictures07 because they know him better. MovingPictures07 is mafia.

We need to learn from this trend.

This is the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen from JaggedJimmyJay.

Who are these non-syndicate regulars and who are the syndicate regulars, and why you have lumped them all together?

[Epignosis]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

Hey, I'm not set Epig is town. It's day one. There's just not any reason for me to vote him.

I did miss your reason. You have way to many posts to look through. Can you help a lady out? It would be helpful to see all positions here.

well adding in dsicreding silver and ignoring other votes (example turf wars)

he has low activity (truf wars)

funny enough in the short term of champ game he was much diffrent to silver the he is now

Yep. I'm that predictable.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

[Golden]

Is the Huge Thing of Dirarea a quest item from a JRPG?

Haha, I read that as...

Oh, never mind.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

I think this is a valid point, because there is a growing list of examples of "I've known this player for years and trust my ability to read him/her" proving disastrously wrong in recent memory. If I limit it just to The Syndicate:

1. Talking Heads: Non-Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of Long Con. Syndicate regulars defend Long Con because they know him better. Long Con is mafia.
2. Talking Heads: Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of MacDougall. Non-Syndicate regulars defend MacDougall because they know him better. MacDougall is mafia.
3. Turf Wars: Newer Syndicateer is heavily suspicious of Epignosis. Syndicate regulars defend Epignosis because they know him better. Epignosis is mafia.
4. Scrimmage: Newer Syndicateer and visiting players are heavily suspicious of MovingPictures07. Syndicate regulars defend MovingPictures07 because they know him better. MovingPictures07 is mafia.

We need to learn from this trend.

This is the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen from JaggedJimmyJay.

Who are these non-syndicate regulars and who are the syndicate regulars, and why you have lumped them all together?

I can expand on every example. I've added numbers to the quoted post for ease of explanation.

1. People who defended Long Con included but weren't limited to you and Golden. People who suspected Long Con included me and I believe Diiny among others.
2. People who defended MacDougall included me and motel room. People who suspected MacDougall included you and Matt among others.
3. Silverwolf suspected Epignosis. S~V~S and I both spent too much time defending you.
4. Silverwolf and Frog suspected MovingPictures07. Golden defended him.

In each case, the player with the most experience playing with the suspected player was the one who was wrong.

[ika]

Also, regarding us being bad together-it has never happened. I would guess, we'd defend each other still and maybe even buddy each other like we do as town. I'd love to be scum with him sometime. I think we'd have fun.

im still waiting on this day.....

While we usually read each other correctly, I understand how it is frustrating to think he assumes I wouldn't play differently to try to fool him. It's not that I wouldn't, it's just that it would be more difficult for me to interact with him as scum, because I'd have a guilty conscience and I'd probably still do so, but not quite as much if I could get away with it. I'd be active though because if I wasn't, he'd catch me on inactivity.

Hope this helps.

BUt what silver says here is the truth. i knwo silver could 100% change up her play and i know her well enought that its not easy for her to jsut go "change"

But the more important thing is this: no matter how much silver changes her play (and me as well) we can never hold a "real" interaciton with each other (especially me), in the few games where i was town where she was scum she tended to distance me more and not interact with em as much. now yes she can change that but the thing that will still hold true is that i can just tell what her agenda is by how she not only interact with me but with the game as a whole.

its why when people say "well dont talk to each other" we defaulty get upset, we sort each other by talking to each other. do we spend the entire game on each ohter? no.

i hope this helps some and she was right on null scum: it litraly means your leaning scum but not a full scum read

[Epignosis]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

Changing their mind isn't my objective. They've already voted, and votes are not changeable.

Do you think a civilian Silverwolf would have waited for me to post? She voted for me way early in the day (judging by the fact that she was here a little while ago). Do you think a Sivilianwolf would follow MM's vote without questioning him about it instead of expecting me to do so?

That's the chief reason why I think Silverwolf is bad at this juncture. Her inability to keep my activity levels straight and her reasoning for suspecting me in other games (two, mind you) are secondary, but there.

[ika]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

funny enough sonji said something of that to epi in the scum topic when he was going at silver, he was saying silver was coming out better

[ika]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

Changing their mind isn't my objective. They've already voted, and votes are not changeable.

Do you think a civilian Silverwolf would have waited for me to post? She voted for me way early in the day (judging by the fact that she was here a little while ago). Do you think a Sivilianwolf would follow MM's vote without questioning him about it instead of expecting me to do so?

That's the chief reason why I think Silverwolf is bad at this juncture. Her inability to keep my activity levels straight and her reasoning for suspecting me in other games (two, mind you) are secondary, but there.

your answer i syes to all of that. she is town

the fact you suspect her now is hilarious

[ika]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

I think this is a valid point, because there is a growing list of examples of "I've known this player for years and trust my ability to read him/her" proving disastrously wrong in recent memory. If I limit it just to The Syndicate:

Talking Heads: Non-Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of Long Con. Syndicate regulars defend Long Con because they know him better. Long Con is mafia.
Talking Heads: Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of MacDougall. Non-Syndicate regulars defend MacDougall because they know him better. MacDougall is mafia.
Turf Wars: Newer Syndicateer is heavily suspicious of Epignosis. Syndicate regulars defend Epignosis because they know him better. Epignosis is mafia.
Scrimmage: Newer Syndicateer and visiting players are heavily suspicious of MovingPictures07. Syndicate regulars defend MovingPictures07 because they know him better. MovingPictures07 is mafia.

We need to learn from this trend.

This is the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen from JaggedJimmyJay.

Who are these non-syndicate regulars and who are the syndicate regulars, and why you have lumped them all together?

does it matter? i mena he speaks the truth on the 2 games i was in so how is it disgenuous to show that people on this site could also eb losing to "trusing" too much?

[Black Rock]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

That's funny that you had to tell Epig to do that. That's one of his first rules iirc. Change the discussion and accuse, don't get caught defending.

[Epignosis]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

I think this is a valid point, because there is a growing list of examples of "I've known this player for years and trust my ability to read him/her" proving disastrously wrong in recent memory. If I limit it just to The Syndicate:

1. Talking Heads: Non-Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of Long Con. Syndicate regulars defend Long Con because they know him better. Long Con is mafia.
2. Talking Heads: Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of MacDougall. Non-Syndicate regulars defend MacDougall because they know him better. MacDougall is mafia.
3. Turf Wars: Newer Syndicateer is heavily suspicious of Epignosis. Syndicate regulars defend Epignosis because they know him better. Epignosis is mafia.
4. Scrimmage: Newer Syndicateer and visiting players are heavily suspicious of MovingPictures07. Syndicate regulars defend MovingPictures07 because they know him better. MovingPictures07 is mafia.

We need to learn from this trend.

This is the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen from JaggedJimmyJay.

Who are these non-syndicate regulars and who are the syndicate regulars, and why you have lumped them all together?

I can expand on every example. I've added numbers to the quoted post for ease of explanation.

1. People who defended Long Con included but weren't limited to you and Golden. People who suspected Long Con included me and I believe Diiny among others.
2. People who defended MacDougall included me and motel room. People who suspected MacDougall included you and Matt among others.
3. Silverwolf suspected Epignosis. S~V~S and I both spent too much time defending you.
4. Silverwolf and Frog suspected MovingPictures07. Golden defended him.

In each case, the player with the most experience playing with the suspected player was the one who was wrong.

In each case, that's a small sample size, I would argue, but assuming I'm cool with it: In your opinion, how does that apply to ika and Silverwolf right now? ika's immediate vote for me alongside Silverwolf (with no independent reason of his own) indicates that he believes she is good.

I don't share that opinion. I think a Sivilianwolf would have waited to hear from me before voting.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

Changing their mind isn't my objective. They've already voted, and votes are not changeable.

Do you think a civilian Silverwolf would have waited for me to post? She voted for me way early in the day (judging by the fact that she was here a little while ago). Do you think a Sivilianwolf would follow MM's vote without questioning him about it instead of expecting me to do so?

That's the chief reason why I think Silverwolf is bad at this juncture. Her inability to keep my activity levels straight and her reasoning for suspecting me in other games (two, mind you) are secondary, but there.

Do I think Silverwolf would genuinely suspect you for the reasons she has stated?

Yes.

Do I think Silverwolf voted well earlier than she needed to and could have given you more time to respond to her accusations before placing a binding vote (particularly given her FoS strategies stated earlier)?

Yes.

Do I think it's meaningful that her vote followed MM's dubious vote without concern for that situation?

Yes.

Silverwolf, the latter two points apply to you. Please answer to them.

[ika]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

That's funny that you had to tell Epig to do that. That's one of his first rules iirc. Change the discussion and accuse, don't get caught defending.

and what is he doign right now?

[indiglo]

Is the Huge Thing of Dirarea a quest item from a JRPG?

Haha, I read that as...

Oh, never mind.

I know, right? I thought, oh poor dear, can't spell that. Then I said D'OH.



I am now at a point where I am totally undecided. Rico's final posts before signing off touched my heart. I hope he isn't that emotionally manipulative as scum. But if he is, then it worked on me for today.

I'm not sold on Epi in either direction. More non-ika/SW input would be faboo and extremely helpful.

Otherwise all I have are a few tiny things that seem weird to me.

Zeebs vote for BR doesn't bother me (random Day 1's are random) but her reason bothers me. And she isn't here to explain.

I don't like Scotty's vote for DF. But his reason for doing it doesn't ping me.

I don't like Polo's vote for LoRab. And I don't know anything about Polo. Maybe an ISO there.

LC's vote for Matt, I want to re-read his reason.

OA's vote for Polo is strange.

Wasn't crazy about an exchange LA had w/ika, I think. But then again, if this is her first game with him... there were plenty of those discussions had in previous games w/ika & SW, so don't think I can fault her for that alone.


A couple of ISO's are in the mix for me. But my summary is that I don't care for some of the votes currently on the board, but I also have no great ideas of who to vote for at this point.


Linkola~ posting, then reading.

[Black Rock]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

That's funny that you had to tell Epig to do that. That's one of his first rules iirc. Change the discussion and accuse, don't get caught defending.

and what is he doign right now?

Well, I'm not sure where you're getting at. It was just a piece of Epig trivia.

[ika]

In each case, that's a small sample size, I would argue, but assuming I'm cool with it: In your opinion, how does that apply to ika and Silverwolf right now? ika's immediate vote for me alongside Silverwolf (with no independent reason of his own) indicates that he believes she is good.

I don't share that opinion. I think a Sivilianwolf would have waited to hear from me before voting.

note he said on syndicate alone, he has a much hihger sample and i think the games he refrenced is enough as well. not only that but sevral seprate people it has been proven on should be sufficent.

for us i cna show you all of our games if i wasnt ip banned but burden of porficency is on you to dispute the facts he has shown

[sig]

Wait a minute I'm a TS regular and constantlysometimes read both Epi and LC right.
Just like Turf Wars were I knew Epi was bad (lets not discus anything else I did that game unless I'm using it to defend myself) :P
And I was right about LC like three times when he was mafia so far.

I don't like that post from you JJJ I don't like it at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In each case, that's a small sample size, I would argue,

I wouldn't contest that. It is. It's a recent trend, its meaning can be debated.

but assuming I'm cool with it: In your opinion, how does that apply to ika and Silverwolf right now? ika's immediate vote for me alongside Silverwolf (with no independent reason of his own) indicates that he believes she is good.

I don't share that opinion. I think a Sivilianwolf would have waited to hear from me before voting.

It might not be wholly applicable to this scenario. I brought it up because it was on my mind, and because the same notion has affected my play in this game already. Were it not for that trend I might have defended you in this situation simply for lack of confidence in reading you as a cylon, but I haven't allowed myself to do that. Instead I am trying to assess every player involved purely for their actual content at face value.

I've already asked Silverwolf about a few valid points you've made. We'll see.

[ika]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

That's funny that you had to tell Epig to do that. That's one of his first rules iirc. Change the discussion and accuse, don't get caught defending.

and what is he doign right now?

isnt he trying to defend himself right now? doesnt that seem to go against his first rule?

Well, I'm not sure where you're getting at. It was just a piece of Epig trivia.

[ika]

Wait a minute I'm a TS regular and constantlysometimes read both Epi and LC right.
Just like Turf Wars were I knew Epi was bad (lets not discus anything else I did that game unless I'm using it to defend myself) :P
And I was right about LC like three times when he was mafia so far.

I don't like that post from you JJJ I don't like it at all.

his point still stands.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wait a minute I'm a TS regular and constantlysometimes read both Epi and LC right.
Just like Turf Wars were I knew Epi was bad (lets not discus anything else I did that game unless I'm using it to defend myself) :P
And I was right about LC like three times when he was mafia so far.

I don't like that post from you JJJ I don't like it at all.

I didn't say every meta read ever made is wrong. I am sure there are exceptions to every rule and to every trend. I've nailed meta reads before too. You're missing the point.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I can endorse or participate in an Epignosis lynch without an answer to these.

[ika]

hey guess what i gotta poo :P

ill be mobile

[ika]

I can endorse or participate in an Epignosis lynch without an answer to these.

shes eating atm she will be right back shortly

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I CANNOT endorse or participate in an Epignosis lynch without an answer to these.

Fixed. Hate that typo.

[sig]

It seems like your point is we should listen to SW/Ika on Epi since other newer members have been right about their alignment right?

I'd rather we not lynch Epi today, it would be better to lynch someone else imo. However, I won't actively fight agaisnt an Epi lynch.

[ika]

It seems like your point is we should listen to SW/Ika on Epi since other newer members have been right about their alignment right?

I'd rather we not lynch Epi today, it would be better to lynch someone else imo. However, I won't actively fight agaisnt an Epi lynch.

Techacly your defending it right now....

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It seems like your point is we should listen to SW/Ika on Epi since other newer members have been right about their alignment right?

I'd rather we not lynch Epi today, it would be better to lynch someone else imo. However, I won't actively fight agaisnt an Epi lynch.

My point is that we should collectively rethink our urge to give anyone a pass simply because they're behaving in a way that is typical of them cross-alignment. It's a blind spot. That doesn't mean we should lynch Epignosis or that I think people who have less meta knowledge are more likely to be correct about a read.

[Silverwolf]

I would absolutely loathe mislynching Epignosis on Day 1. I have always said that in all circumstances the most suspicious player should be lynched regardless of who or when. So with this stated:

Epignosis, if you're town then I don't think it's terribly likely you're going to change the mind of either Silverwolf or ika. To continue discussing it with them would be fruitless and perhaps even make it worse. So it'd probably be better both for your faction and for yourself if you'd drop that discussion and focus solely on your own suspicions and other reads. You've proven repeatedly to have good instincts and to be a valuable component of any civilian team, and I don't want to see that wasted.

Changing their mind isn't my objective. They've already voted, and votes are not changeable.

Do you think a civilian Silverwolf would have waited for me to post? She voted for me way early in the day (judging by the fact that she was here a little while ago). Do you think a Sivilianwolf would follow MM's vote without questioning him about it instead of expecting me to do so?

That's the chief reason why I think Silverwolf is bad at this juncture. Her inability to keep my activity levels straight and her reasoning for suspecting me in other games (two, mind you) are secondary, but there.

Do I think Silverwolf would genuinely suspect you for the reasons she has stated?

Yes.

Do I think Silverwolf voted well earlier than she needed to and could have given you more time to respond to her accusations before placing a binding vote (particularly given her FoS strategies stated earlier)?

Yes.

Do I think it's meaningful that her vote followed MM's dubious vote without concern for that situation?

Yes.

Silverwolf, the latter two points apply to you. Please answer to them.

I voted Epi independently of MM's vote. I used my own reasoning.

I wasn't sure I would be around EoD or that Epi would and I didn't want to miss the vote. Epi was around some during this day phase and had plenty of opportunities to post more meaningful content when he was here. His posts underwhelmed me, then he was barely here. Then he discredits me when I suspect him but gives ika and MM a pass.

This is plenty good reason for a D1 vote. I don't see anyone else putting their neck out to take a vote/stance on anyone. Don't you find that odd also? I do.

[sig]

It seems like your point is we should listen to SW/Ika on Epi since other newer members have been right about their alignment right?

I'd rather we not lynch Epi today, it would be better to lynch someone else imo. However, I won't actively fight agaisnt an Epi lynch.

Techacly your defending it right now....

Defending Epi which I'm really not doing isn't the same as fighting agaisnt the lynch imo.

[indiglo]

It seems like your point is we should listen to SW/Ika on Epi since other newer members have been right about their alignment right?

I'd rather we not lynch Epi today, it would be better to lynch someone else imo. However, I won't actively fight agaisnt an Epi lynch.

Why would you prefer to lynch someone else today?

Also, any other good candidates?

Linki~

[ika]

It seems like your point is we should listen to SW/Ika on Epi since other newer members have been right about their alignment right?

I'd rather we not lynch Epi today, it would be better to lynch someone else imo. However, I won't actively fight agaisnt an Epi lynch.

Techacly your defending it right now....

Defending Epi which I'm really not doing isn't the same as fighting agaisnt the lynch imo.

Same general concepts overall though....

I mean it's not same nitty gritty but it follows the same priciples

[Silverwolf]

Hey, Here's an idea.

If you guys think I'm wrong on Epi then give some alternatives and vote them.

Doesn't seem too hard to me.

[Marmot]

I am currently spearheading the charge on the leading wagon.

How does that make all of you future voters feel?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I voted Epi independently of MM's vote. I used my own reasoning.

MM's vote exists. What do you think of it?

I wasn't sure I would be around EoD or that Epi would and I didn't want to miss the vote. Epi was around some during this day phase and had plenty of opportunities to post more meaningful content when he was here. His posts underwhelmed me, then he was barely here. Then he discredits me when I suspect him but gives ika and MM a pass.

You voted for him before the potential discrediting took place. That's my point of interest. It appears you've been here this evening with plenty of time to contribute and even carry on a lengthy real-time debate with Epignosis himself. You've rarely struggled to be in a game when you need to be in a game in my limited experience playing with you. You didn't think there was enough chance of your time being open enough to even place your vote (which would take seconds) before a deadline that was still quite distant at the time?

I don't see anyone else putting their neck out to take a vote/stance on anyone. Don't you find that odd also? I do.

In this environment I wouldn't call it "odd", but I would call it frustrating. I would certainly like to see more people getting their hands dirty.

[DrumBeats]

Alright, I just got caught up, and I retain my FoS on Rico. Though I appreciate giving out a few reads now, most of them were relatively neutral, and one was even a straight null null read.

I'm not sure what to make of Epig right now, my gut is scumleaning Epig for the defensive tunneling, but the read is too slight for me to feel good acting upon today without hearing more.

I've got some stuff to do before I update the game I'm hosting later today, so I won't be able to wait out Epig's answers with you guys, I trust that if they do not come you guys will push that vote instead.

Vote: Ricochet

[sig]

It seems like your point is we should listen to SW/Ika on Epi since other newer members have been right about their alignment right?

I'd rather we not lynch Epi today, it would be better to lynch someone else imo. However, I won't actively fight agaisnt an Epi lynch.

Why would you prefer to lynch someone else today?

Also, any other good candidates?

Linki~

I don't think Epi is mafia and yes it is just day 1, but I'd rather not lynch Epi on day 1 when one of the three votes on him is a total joke vote (MM's) I'm considering a few people. I've got a slight ping of LC and DF so could vote there. I really disliked Zebra's BR vote, I might also look back over the RIco thing and see what I see.

If we don't see content from Glorfindel and IWAY soon I'd like to put some pressure on them and maybe lynch them to.

[Black Rock]

I am currently spearheading the charge on the leading wagon.

How does that make all of you future voters feel?

I currently want to vote for you cause you hurt my feelings.

[DrumBeats]

Oops I think I used the wrong red my bad.

Vote: Ricochet

[Marmot]

It seems like your point is we should listen to SW/Ika on Epi since other newer members have been right about their alignment right?

I'd rather we not lynch Epi today, it would be better to lynch someone else imo. However, I won't actively fight agaisnt an Epi lynch.

Why would you prefer to lynch someone else today?

Also, any other good candidates?

Linki~

I don't think Epi is mafia and yes it is just day 1, but I'd rather not lynch Epi on day 1 when one of the three votes on him is a total joke vote (MM's) I'm considering a few people. I've got a slight ping of LC and DF so could vote there. I really disliked Zebra's BR vote, I might also look back over the RIco thing and see what I see.

If we don't see content from Glorfindel and IWAY soon I'd like to put some pressure on them and maybe lynch them to.

Just because it was a revenge vote then doesn't mean I don't feel good about it now.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Just because it was a revenge vote then doesn't mean I don't feel good about it now.

Why do you feel good about it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey, Here's an idea.

If you guys think I'm wrong on Epi then give some alternatives and vote them.

Doesn't seem too hard to me.

I might agree with you. I am not going to follow though without first assessing your own mindset.

[Silverwolf]

I was just trying to help with another perspective from someone who has played with him longer.

golden said the same thing about MP in champ game calling him town. MP was scum

I think this is a valid point, because there is a growing list of examples of "I've known this player for years and trust my ability to read him/her" proving disastrously wrong in recent memory. If I limit it just to The Syndicate:

1. Talking Heads: Non-Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of Long Con. Syndicate regulars defend Long Con because they know him better. Long Con is mafia.
2. Talking Heads: Syndicate regulars are heavily suspicious of MacDougall. Non-Syndicate regulars defend MacDougall because they know him better. MacDougall is mafia.
3. Turf Wars: Newer Syndicateer is heavily suspicious of Epignosis. Syndicate regulars defend Epignosis because they know him better. Epignosis is mafia.
4. Scrimmage: Newer Syndicateer and visiting players are heavily suspicious of MovingPictures07. Syndicate regulars defend MovingPictures07 because they know him better. MovingPictures07 is mafia.

We need to learn from this trend.

This is the most disingenuous thing I've ever seen from JaggedJimmyJay.

Who are these non-syndicate regulars and who are the syndicate regulars, and why you have lumped them all together?

I can expand on every example. I've added numbers to the quoted post for ease of explanation.

1. People who defended Long Con included but weren't limited to you and Golden. People who suspected Long Con included me and I believe Diiny among others.
2. People who defended MacDougall included me and motel room. People who suspected MacDougall included you and Matt among others.
3. Silverwolf suspected Epignosis. S~V~S and I both spent too much time defending you.
4. Silverwolf and Frog suspected MovingPictures07. Golden defended him.

In each case, the player with the most experience playing with the suspected player was the one who was wrong.

In each case, that's a small sample size, I would argue, but assuming I'm cool with it: In your opinion, how does that apply to ika and Silverwolf right now? ika's immediate vote for me alongside Silverwolf (with no independent reason of his own) indicates that he believes she is good.

I don't share that opinion. I think a Sivilianwolf would have waited to hear from me before voting.

I already waited most of the day phase to hear from you and it's not my fault I can't read your mind and figure out when you'll get in here. And this is the third time I'm saying this-but I wasn't sure I would be here EoD. I was with my daughter most of the day and had other things to do.

Another thing, my vote was only the second on you with plenty of other votes yet to be cast. Again-if people don't like it they can vote elsewhere and tell me who else is bad and why when they do so. No one is willing to take any real risks and too many are playing it safe.

That bothers me.

linki-I have a life JJJ-I'm not going to tell you about my RL but I've been hit with a ton of shit lately-so no, I was not sure I'd be here. I don't care if you believe that or not tbh. I am getting quite tired of the interrogation.

I don't have an opinion on MM's vote or MM right now. Do you have an opinion you'd like to share?

[juliets]

Sorry I've been off more than I've been on these last days. Today I was in and out because of mothers day.

I'm completely caught up and like plenty of day 1's I don't have a clear-cut mafia in mind to vote for. I considered Epi but i believe him about spending all day today with his moms and I really don't understand why he has 3 votes (well, I understand MM was just goofing around and ika would naturally follow silver). I don't want to see someone lynched over a vote where someone was just goofing around.

As for silver and ika I believe for now they are both town since they vouched for each other and I learned from Epi and Eloh that a bond can provide you with info that others don't have. I'm also reading SVS as town and indiglo.

Nobody has said anything that has pinged me which is not unusual for day 1. If nothing happens in this last hour I will probably default to low or no poster or even vote for MM for putting Epi in danger with a vote that was just a goof. I'm not saying I think Epi is certainly good but I just don't like how that whole thing went down.

linki, linki, linki a TON of linkis

[Silverwolf]

Hey, Here's an idea.

If you guys think I'm wrong on Epi then give some alternatives and vote them.

Doesn't seem too hard to me.

I might agree with you. I am not going to follow though without first assessing your own mindset.

I've already explained my thought process. Numerous times in fact. I'm suddenly put on the defensive by you and Epi and I find that odd from someone who is townreading me and scumreading Epi per your GTH reads.