Barry Lyndon - Endgame

[Epignosis]

Given my activity elsewhere, I don't think anyone can say I was "away from keyboard." And if I had a kill, I wouldn't abstain from using it or miss my PM. Simple as that.

[Scotty]

I just went back and realized BWT indeed wasn't around since Night 1. I thought I read he posted last in night 2.

Hmm...he would fit the bill more as the most purely inactive.

Epi I see as a possibility, he isn't wrong in that he was active in the BSG thread during this time, so I would hardly call him inactive.

I'd be fine with either a BWT or gleam vote, if I hadn't already voted gleam out of the gate.

I'm sorry Wilgy, I missed your point before and I'm caught up now. I'll put a pause on suspecting you...for now.

[Scotty]

Looking back through Zebra's posts, I just can't shake this one:

You both look bad right now to me.

Why is that?

This whole back-and-forth has reached the level of contrived.

So you're saying we're teammates? Okay.

She spends almost the entire day doing nothing but tunneling Wilgy, and then brings this up before she dies.

Reminds me of baddie Matt picking teammate Bullzeye and tunneling on him day 1 of LOST Again. This seems like something she brought up to further distance herself from Wilgy, if that was her plan all along.

I'm still going with the inactive theory today, but zebra seemed so sure Wilgy was bad. Wilgy could be civ and Zebra could have just chosen a civ for the sake of being argumentative.

[birdwithteeth11]

Y'all seem to be ignoring the fact that I acknowledged Gleams existence, but ruled him out since he was here.

If you think I'm singling you out BWT you are correct. You were, by posting means, AFK. The only other was Epi. Based on how often you die day 1 with me, I have little to indicate how you would preform as a baddie. When you compare this to Epi (who I think I can read better based solely on game time together) you are the greater liability.

What do you think of these players BwT:
- Epi
- LC
- Scotty in the context of both "avoiding Zebra vs Wilgy" and the "guy who wants gleam murked"

I'll go over Gleam as soon as I'm out of my shower.

Epig: Neutral. Don't have a good enough feel on him yet. He seems much quieter than I would normally think he would be though.

LC: I thought the dragon thing earlier on was a bit odd. But after his explanation I feel much better about it. I'd lean civ.

Scotty: Leaning bad. I still think he could have been staying out of the thing between zebra and you because he wanted to be non-committal about it.

Also, I think a baddie not sending in a NK under any circumstances is one of the worst possible actions a baddie could take. To me, it's the baddie equivalent of what a lynch is for the civvies: the most powerful tool at one's disposal.

[S~V~S]

Y'all seem to be ignoring the fact that I acknowledged Gleams existence, but ruled him out since he was here.

If you think I'm singling you out BWT you are correct. You were, by posting means, AFK. The only other was Epi. Based on how often you die day 1 with me, I have little to indicate how you would preform as a baddie. When you compare this to Epi (who I think I can read better based solely on game time together) you are the greater liability.

What do you think of these players BwT:
- Epi
- LC
- Scotty in the context of both "avoiding Zebra vs Wilgy" and the "guy who wants gleam murked"

I'll go over Gleam as soon as I'm out of my shower.

Epig: Neutral. Don't have a good enough feel on him yet. He seems much quieter than I would normally think he would be though.

LC: I thought the dragon thing earlier on was a bit odd. But after his explanation I feel much better about it. I'd lean civ.

Scotty: Leaning bad. I still think he could have been staying out of the thing between zebra and you because he wanted to be non-committal about it.

Also, I think a baddie not sending in a NK under any circumstances is one of the worst possible actions a baddie could take. To me, it's the baddie equivalent of what a lynch is for the civvies: the most powerful tool at one's disposal.

Do you recall ever personally missing a kill due to your active afk lifestyle, since you bring up your high level of responsibility as a baddie killer?

[birdwithteeth11]

Y'all seem to be ignoring the fact that I acknowledged Gleams existence, but ruled him out since he was here.

If you think I'm singling you out BWT you are correct. You were, by posting means, AFK. The only other was Epi. Based on how often you die day 1 with me, I have little to indicate how you would preform as a baddie. When you compare this to Epi (who I think I can read better based solely on game time together) you are the greater liability.

What do you think of these players BwT:
- Epi
- LC
- Scotty in the context of both "avoiding Zebra vs Wilgy" and the "guy who wants gleam murked"

I'll go over Gleam as soon as I'm out of my shower.

Epig: Neutral. Don't have a good enough feel on him yet. He seems much quieter than I would normally think he would be though.

LC: I thought the dragon thing earlier on was a bit odd. But after his explanation I feel much better about it. I'd lean civ.

Scotty: Leaning bad. I still think he could have been staying out of the thing between zebra and you because he wanted to be non-committal about it.

Also, I think a baddie not sending in a NK under any circumstances is one of the worst possible actions a baddie could take. To me, it's the baddie equivalent of what a lynch is for the civvies: the most powerful tool at one's disposal.

Do you recall ever personally missing a kill due to your active afk lifestyle, since you bring up your high level of responsibility as a baddie killer?

Not any that I actively chose to avoid. Generally anytime I miss stuff in mafia games is because: 1) My life afk is busy as heck, and 2) When that happens, sometimes I forget I'm in the middle of a mafia game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd like to thank all the players for maintaining such a civil game here so far, I love to see good sportsmanship. If anyone has any concerns at all don't hesitate to let me know. I'll continue to follow along.

[Marmot]

I'd like to thank all the players for maintaining such a civil game here so far, I love to see good sportsmanship. If anyone has any concerns at all don't hesitate to let me know. I'll continue to follow along.

Dafuq is this?

[birdwithteeth11]

I'd like to thank all the players for maintaining such a civil game here so far, I love to see good sportsmanship. If anyone has any concerns at all don't hesitate to let me know. I'll continue to follow along.

Dafuq is this?

*Smacks MM in the face with a wet noodle*

[DrWilgy]

I'd like to thank all the players for maintaining such a civil game here so far, I love to see good sportsmanship. If anyone has any concerns at all don't hesitate to let me know. I'll continue to follow along.

Dafuq is this?

*Smacks MM in the face with a wet noodle*

*Is the wet noodle*

[birdwithteeth11]

I'd like to thank all the players for maintaining such a civil game here so far, I love to see good sportsmanship. If anyone has any concerns at all don't hesitate to let me know. I'll continue to follow along.

Dafuq is this?

*Smacks MM in the face with a wet noodle*

*Is the wet noodle*

*Throws wet noddle down and KILL IT WITH FIRE OMG!!!!!!*

[a2thezebra]

[birdwithteeth11]

*Waits on Wilgy's gleam post* :P

[DFaraday]

I thought BWT did a pretty good job of explaining himself, so I'll vote Gleam.

[Marmot]

Lynch the noddle!

[S~V~S]

I also like BWTs explanations better than Gleams, tbh. I have to vote now since I am leaving work shortly, and may or may not be home by 5:20 and I don't want to miss.

*Voting Gleam*

[DrWilgy]

So before I re-look at what little content the Deviljho has my thoughts are this: I don't like Gleam's dismissal of my content, and have a general bad feel from it. The counter to this, Is the general bad feel from Scotty. Scotty, being the pursuer of Gleam, makes me think better of Gleam kinda placing him on a neutral note for me.

"Wilgy mentions that someone embracing the fallacy is more likely to be civ. I think this is an entirely baseless claim. He's just saying that anyone who sided with Sorsha and wanting to believe she is good should be considered civilian. For a dumb reason. I have no more reason to believe Sorsha's innocence than I have to believe she's a baddy, so that reveals nothing, other than Wilgy maybe is wanting to protect someone who took Sorsha's side. Probably more likely them than Sorsha herself. Possible teammate somewhere?"
- Dismissal that makes me think poorly of Gleam.
- Shows that Gleam is unable/unwilling to think out of the box.

"Epignosis is acting pretty in character, but he himself seems to add little to the conversation in terms of productivity. He makes one comment pointing out a quote Serge made but the rest is entirely responsive and, well, rather passive. He disappears for a while. It's still day 1, but my experience with Epignosis being civilian has him leading the charge in discussion. We'll see how this pans out further."
@Gleam what historical proof are you using here?

"Epignosis is a captain, and DrWilgy is Barry Lyndon. I will probably be voting Wilgy today."
- Weird claim, I wonder what lead to this. My biggest concern here is that Gleam saw me as a Barry, Epi as a captain, then chose me over Epi for his vote. That makes little sense unless he's either a captain or a non-team-oriented civvie (noble), either of which we can do without...

That's everything I got on Gleam. Would I feel horrible about his lynch? not really. Would I feel better about other's? probably.

[agleaminranks]

Also, since I know I'm good, BWT is a captain too.

Ok that long post may have gotten you my vote.

Sig was Barrys Mom. Sig was screaming to NOT kill a specific person, who was NOT Wilgy. What makes you think he had BTSC with Wilgy?

I am hoping to hear what if anything BWT learned in his catchup, but it will be one of you for me.

From the way I look at it, Barry is a threat to everyone in this game. He kills indiscriminately trying to work his way up the ranks. He needs to be eliminated immediately. What better way for sig to throw attention away from the real Barry when things aren't looking good for his survival than to claim someone else has to be good, knowing his identity will reveal a lot when he's lynched?

Hmm... I had a theory that Zebra and Sig are on opposite teams. Anyone down to test that tomorrow?

This is what bugs me. Dude has no justification for this idea whatsoever, apart from Zebra hounding sig. Several other people did too, and Wilgy is quick to assure that he didn't, in fact, advocate for lynching sig to begin with. Seems to me this would only be with prior knowledge of sig being a civilian.

Wilgy also advocated for lynching Zebra the second day. Only one nightkill occurred the first night, probably a captain. Zebra was the role that could not be killed by Barry. Makes sense that Barry would've tried to target his mother's killer.

Given that no nightkill occurred the second night, there are a few possible scenarios. One scenario requires both Barry and the Captains to be AWOL, which I know shouldn't be the case, since there was only one absentee on night 2, BWT, as Wilgy noted. The second scenario involves Wilgy attempting to kill and failing and the captains missed a vote. Since there is no role that blocks nightkills, this is the only other possibility. Hence why BWT has to be a captain.

As far as Epignosis goes, I'm going on meta read. In the games I've played with Epignosis (Pikmin comes to mind), as a good guy, he lead the charge. In the most recent game where he was bad (Host Turf Wars) his style was more laid back, reactionary, just enough to indicate his presence but not enough to seriously contribute to the conversation. I have seen very little of the former Epignosis and much of the latter. In fact he's done darn near nothing in terms of serious responses or rebuttals apart from an analysis about how screwed the civilians are.
His rebuttal to my claim was a frowny emoji.
Just seems to be playing the baddie game to me.

I've thought about it more, and I do still think Wilgy is Barry. However, in light of the killings at night, it's likely he probably is still at the lowest rank and unable to kill the captains. I still see him as a serious problem. The question is, to vote for a captain or to vote for Barry.

If a captain is lynched, Barry has a smaller pool of people to choose and is more likely to lynch a civilian. The captains will still lynch tonight. At least one civilian will die. Possibly two.
If Barry is lynched, he has no chance of lynching any more civilians. The captains will still lynch tonight. One civilian and one very dangerous independent will be gone.

This all depends on you lynching a captain, of course, and not a civilian like me. If you lynch me, option 1 ensues, and we could lose as much as 3 civilians tonight. Your call. I'm voting for Barry, DrWilgy.

My position is

[agleaminranks]

Erm, disregard that last line. Was from a train of thought I was supposed to have deleted.

[agleaminranks]

I am glad someone finally recognized the Deviljho.

[agleaminranks]

Sorry for the quadruple post. Rude of me. But something popped into my mind as a possible option, and that would be that Ricochet was Barry Lyndon. It's another explanation that could fit in the current frame of things. But I find it unlikelier than the other options.

[DrWilgy]

Gleeeeeam. Follow my thoughts. They both advocated against gambler's fallacy, meaning they share similar mindset yes? Obviously not because one attacked the other really hard for little reason. That doesn't make sense. Meaning they are on opposite teams.

[DrWilgy]

5/12 missing votes and the poll ends in 10 minutes. Yeesh.

Makes me really wonder why we even bother with 48 hour periods.

Voted Scotty.

I can't shake the feeling that he's bad based on this quote. He voted someone who I think is civ day 1. Been rocking the Gleam vote for 2 days now. Acting what I feel is a general evasive way. Makes this comment before a baddie is lynched. Had other players voted, Zebra may not have been murked, so I'm reading this as a frustrated baddie.

[DrWilgy]

Gleam isn't bad... I don't think he would've voted someone with 0 votes if he were bad. I feel like he'd be playing much more for survival if he were bad.

[Epignosis]

5/12 missing votes and the poll ends in 10 minutes. Yeesh.

Makes me really wonder why we even bother with 48 hour periods.

Voted Scotty.

I can't shake the feeling that he's bad based on this quote. He voted someone who I think is civ day 1. Been rocking the Gleam vote for 2 days now. Acting what I feel is a general evasive way. Makes this comment before a baddie is lynched. Had other players voted, Zebra may not have been murked, so I'm reading this as a frustrated baddie.

This makes no sense. What you've quoted is exactly how I feel about 48 hour periods generally being a waste because people largely wait until the last minute to do anything.

[Sorsha]

Gleam isn't bad... I don't think he would've voted someone with 0 votes if he were bad. I feel like he'd be playing much more for survival if he were bad.

Unless they are also his teammate?

I'm voting for Scotty, I think both he and gleam are bad but Scotty isn't the one with the kill responsibility,

[Epignosis]

Gleam isn't bad... I don't think he would've voted someone with 0 votes if he were bad. I feel like he'd be playing much more for survival if he were bad.

Unless they are also his teammate?

I'm voting for Scotty, I think both he and gleam are bad but Scotty isn't the one with the kill responsibility,

tee hee

[Epignosis]

I really want to vote for Sorsha now.

[Sorsha]

Lol... Oops. That's what happens when you vote half asleep

[Sorsha]

I really want to vote for Sorsha now.

[Marmot]

I'm voting gleam in drive-by fashion.

[birdwithteeth11]

Also, since I know I'm good, BWT is a captain too.

Ok that long post may have gotten you my vote.

Sig was Barrys Mom. Sig was screaming to NOT kill a specific person, who was NOT Wilgy. What makes you think he had BTSC with Wilgy?

I am hoping to hear what if anything BWT learned in his catchup, but it will be one of you for me.

From the way I look at it, Barry is a threat to everyone in this game. He kills indiscriminately trying to work his way up the ranks. He needs to be eliminated immediately. What better way for sig to throw attention away from the real Barry when things aren't looking good for his survival than to claim someone else has to be good, knowing his identity will reveal a lot when he's lynched?

I look at Barry as more of a neutral/civvie-leaning ninja. He needs to kill to win, but he also needs a certain group dead to win. And other groups in this game need that same group dead as well. The captains are basically our mafia.

Hmm... I had a theory that Zebra and Sig are on opposite teams. Anyone down to test that tomorrow?

This is what bugs me. Dude has no justification for this idea whatsoever, apart from Zebra hounding sig. Several other people did too, and Wilgy is quick to assure that he didn't, in fact, advocate for lynching sig to begin with. Seems to me this would only be with prior knowledge of sig being a civilian.

Again, part of the reason why I am still suspish of Wilgy.

Wilgy also advocated for lynching Zebra the second day. Only one nightkill occurred the first night, probably a captain. Zebra was the role that could not be killed by Barry. Makes sense that Barry would've tried to target his mother's killer.

Given that no nightkill occurred the second night, there are a few possible scenarios. One scenario requires both Barry and the Captains to be AWOL, which I know shouldn't be the case, since there was only one absentee on night 2, BWT, as Wilgy noted. The second scenario involves Wilgy attempting to kill and failing and the captains missed a vote. Since there is no role that blocks nightkills, this is the only other possibility. Hence why BWT has to be a captain.

As far as Epignosis goes, I'm going on meta read. In the games I've played with Epignosis (Pikmin comes to mind), as a good guy, he lead the charge. In the most recent game where he was bad (Host Turf Wars) his style was more laid back, reactionary, just enough to indicate his presence but not enough to seriously contribute to the conversation. I have seen very little of the former Epignosis and much of the latter. In fact he's done darn near nothing in terms of serious responses or rebuttals apart from an analysis about how screwed the civilians are.
His rebuttal to my claim was a frowny emoji.
Just seems to be playing the baddie game to me.

I've seen Epig play quiet as reserved as a civ too. IMO there are other ways to read him.

I've thought about it more, and I do still think Wilgy is Barry. However, in light of the killings at night, it's likely he probably is still at the lowest rank and unable to kill the captains. I still see him as a serious problem. The question is, to vote for a captain or to vote for Barry.

If a captain is lynched, Barry has a smaller pool of people to choose and is more likely to lynch a civilian. The captains will still lynch tonight. At least one civilian will die. Possibly two.
If Barry is lynched, he has no chance of lynching any more civilians. The captains will still lynch tonight. One civilian and one very dangerous independent will be gone.

This all depends on you lynching a captain, of course, and not a civilian like me. If you lynch me, option 1 ensues, and we could lose as much as 3 civilians tonight. Your call. I'm voting for Barry, DrWilgy.

My position is

The only players who could want Barry dead so much would be the captains IMO.

Votes Gleam

[Epignosis]

I voted Sorsha.

[Sorsha]

I voted Sorsha.

Lame

[birdwithteeth11]

I voted Sorsha.

I'm curious to hear your reasoning on this.

[DrWilgy]

5/12 missing votes and the poll ends in 10 minutes. Yeesh.

Makes me really wonder why we even bother with 48 hour periods.

Voted Scotty.

I can't shake the feeling that he's bad based on this quote. He voted someone who I think is civ day 1. Been rocking the Gleam vote for 2 days now. Acting what I feel is a general evasive way. Makes this comment before a baddie is lynched. Had other players voted, Zebra may not have been murked, so I'm reading this as a frustrated baddie.

This makes no sense. What you've quoted is exactly how I feel about 48 hour periods generally being a waste because people largely wait until the last minute to do anything.

Context Mr. Noses! Zebra was about to be killed. What made that event much more commentable than day 1, where we still had missing players and a tie. Zeems funny to make a comment like that.

[Epignosis]

Maybe Scotty wasn't around to make that comment Day 1.

[DrWilgy]

Hmm... Long day. Anyone wanna chit chat? Deviljho any last words?

[agleaminranks]

I would like to say a lot, actually, but I don't think there's any use in it at this point. My days are numbered. I also have to finish another final before midnight on a philosophy paper I haven't had the time to read. Oof.

I just hope that the wake of my death will empower the civilians to heed my word and do what needs to be done.

[Epignosis]

I would like to say a lot, actually, but I don't think there's any use in it at this point. My days are numbered. I also have to finish another final before midnight on a philosophy paper I haven't had the time to read. Oof.

I just hope that the wake of my death will empower the civilians to heed my word and do what needs to be done.

Except I'm not bad.

[Serge]

Reveal that role please

[Serge]

Off with agleaminrank's head!

[Serge]

What do we want? A role reveal!
When do we want it? Now!

[thellama73]

Apologies for the late post, folks. I was unexpectedly called away from my computer. Working on it now.

[Serge]

[Serge]

I note DrWilgy and agleamintheranks are present for the reveal

[thellama73]

NIght 3

Prussia proved to be every bit as cruel and unforgiving as life in the ENglish infantry, and no one felt this cruelty more keenly than aleaminranks. After a couple of weeks, his companions could no longer stomach his company, and summarily executed him. They were tired of being cheated out of their wages anyway.

agleaminranks has been lynched. He was the Chevalier du Baribari.
You have 24 hours to submit your PMs.

[Serge]

Scotty is bad!

[Serge]

Also, RIP gleam

[DrWilgy]

I tried Gleam.

Remaining baddies are Scotty, Epi and BWT.