Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[Matt]

Dunno why, but I feel like Marmot is strong with the Force.

Zebra would you disagree?

[Epignosis]

I'm going to be voting Long Con if he doesn't change his ways.

I can give you three days.

No, I can give you this day. You don't understand.

[Black Rock]

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

What's with the Marmot trust?

[bea]

BR - I don't think epi is bad eiher -where is your vote leaning?

[Long Con]

I'm going to be voting Long Con if he doesn't change his ways.

I can give you three days.

No, I can give you this day. You don't understand.

I don't understand! Just vote for JJJ or sign or someone!

[Long Con]

*sig

[Matt]

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

What's with the Marmot trust?

Well, two reasons...

1) He joke voted Epi on Day One and got us a Cylon. A good cylon, but still.

2) Curiously, he is listed as "Marmot" on the poll, and I know Golden already "explained" it, but I can't help feel that it makes Marmot special somehow.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to be voting Long Con if he doesn't change his ways.

I can give you three days.

No, I can give you this day. You don't understand.

I don't understand! Just vote for JJJ or sign or someone!

My terms were simple and you couldn't abide by them. The deadline isn't over yet though. Think about what I am asking you to do.

[Long Con]

I'm going to be voting Long Con if he doesn't change his ways.

I can give you three days.

No, I can give you this day. You don't understand.

I don't understand! Just vote for JJJ or sign or someone!

My terms were simple and you couldn't abide by them. The deadline isn't over yet though. Think about what I am asking you to do.

You're asking me to compromise my beliefs. For a frakking toaster!

[Black Rock]

I'm going to be voting Long Con if he doesn't change his ways.

I can give you three days.

No, I can give you this day. You don't understand.

I don't understand! Just vote for JJJ or sign or someone!

That's what happens when you "phone mafia". That's why I like the computer.

BR - I don't think epi is bad eiher -where is your vote leaning?

Likely Nutella at this point but I really would like to vote for LoRab.

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

What's with the Marmot trust?

Well, two reasons...

1) He joke voted Epi on Day One and got us a Cylon. A good cylon, but still.

2) Curiously, he is listed as "Marmot" on the poll, and I know Golden already "explained" it, but I can't help feel that it makes Marmot special somehow.

Matt, you are a curious fellow.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

3J.

I don't see much evidence that you've tried to develop this read.

[Epignosis]

I'm going to be voting Long Con if he doesn't change his ways.

I can give you three days.

No, I can give you this day. You don't understand.

I don't understand! Just vote for JJJ or sign or someone!

My terms were simple and you couldn't abide by them. The deadline isn't over yet though. Think about what I am asking you to do.

You're asking me to compromise my beliefs. For a frakking toaster!

I am.

[juliets]

After reading all the opinions about LC I have come to believe he is good, whatever that means in this game. Now I have to decide about nutella. I feel sure as I've said before that Epi is good so that leaves me kind of suspicious of sig who seems certain Epi is bad and not willing to consider the info from the show lore.

[Epignosis]

3J.

I don't see much evidence that you've tried to develop this read.

Of course you wouldn't.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If my math is right there are still 12 votes on the table (including my own) with less than an hour remaining.

[bea]

taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

3J.

I don't see much evidence that you've tried to develop this read.

Of course you wouldn't.

I don't know what that means. If someone reads me as bad then fine whatever, but if a read doesn't develop under changing circumstances then I have more reason to view it as a fake read.

[Long Con]

I'm going to be voting Long Con if he doesn't change his ways.

I can give you three days.

No, I can give you this day. You don't understand.

I don't understand! Just vote for JJJ or sign or someone!

My terms were simple and you couldn't abide by them. The deadline isn't over yet though. Think about what I am asking you to do.

You're asking me to compromise my beliefs. For a frakking toaster!

I am.

But why? Why can't you just leave me alone?

[Epignosis]

3J.

I don't see much evidence that you've tried to develop this read.

Of course you wouldn't.

I don't know what that means. If someone reads me as bad then fine whatever, but if a read doesn't develop under changing circumstances then I have more reason to view it as a fake read.

I would lynch you unanimously if I could. How's that?

[Ricochet]

This is my post saved in Chrome's history before the computer rebooted. (Fell asleep in the meantime) I can't develop it further.

Reviewed LC based on his activity and the cases against him, notably (again) JJJ's.

-- stuff that doesn't hold as much weight for me: -
-- stuff that I find just... interesting: his conflicting views on profiling Athena as good based on lore, but insisting on the ultimate demise of Epig being a necessary step (could be agenda issues, though); his defense pitch for nutella
-- stuff that does: sudden Matt vote was sudden, Day One; loose reads or vote intentions (ika from good to 'should go awai could be Cylon', for instance); his vote interferences, stance on it and further philosophy (the B2 story also makes him look worse for the timing he chose)
-- stuff I don't know what to do with: basic reads along the Day One way (the stuff that JJJ called it "stance certifying")

Ergh. Picking on players from unusual angles (like for instance, sig) and messing with the thread is something I've seen both from civ LC seeing things with a different eye and from baddie LC knitting susswires on people. I can't quite discern how a baddie LC with knowledge of RezShip/RezHub locations wouldn't foresee that the B2 reveal, sooner or later, wouldn't blow up in his face, nevertheless a) it doesn't exclude LC from being a baddie without any such knowledge himself b) doesn't erase the bad impression of being so principled, then just throwing dynamite on the whole thing. I'm naturally inclined to find malevolence in this movie, but even here I'm not 100% certain if it would be revealed as a tactical Leroy Jenkins move or a blunder of a jest.

Idk I'm reading this and don't feel it's a fully complete indictment folder. It's 4am, can someone tell me other noteworthy charges on LC?

===

With such mixed reads on nutella and LC, I will hereby stick to voting Zebra. Her wagon is pants right now, but this is my strong read toDay.

a2thezebra

[Epignosis]

But why? Why can't you just leave me alone?

Why can't you just leave me alone?

I need a declaration from you before I can help you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

3J.

I don't see much evidence that you've tried to develop this read.

Of course you wouldn't.

I don't know what that means. If someone reads me as bad then fine whatever, but if a read doesn't develop under changing circumstances then I have more reason to view it as a fake read.

I would lynch you unanimously if I could. How's that?

You can't. You can lynch me with help though. You haven't put much effort into promoting my lynch on Day 2. Why?

[Golden]

I can't help feel that it makes Marmot special somehow.

We all know that marmot is a special snowflake, but we just don't let him know exactly what we mean by special.

I signed him up as marmot in the sign up thread, and have been copy and pasting the player list ever since. I don't want to mislead anyone with player names, I'm not going to hide information in places like polls, or incidental parts of night and day posts etc, because it could unbalance the game to do that.

I call him marmot because I call him marmot. If you have a problem with this, I reserve the right to assign you a nickname and call you exclusively that. Probably some kind of animal that tunnels for golden things...

[Epignosis]

3J.

I don't see much evidence that you've tried to develop this read.

Of course you wouldn't.

I don't know what that means. If someone reads me as bad then fine whatever, but if a read doesn't develop under changing circumstances then I have more reason to view it as a fake read.

I would lynch you unanimously if I could. How's that?

You can't. You can lynch me with help though. You haven't put much effort into promoting my lynch on Day 2. Why?

I'd rather spend my effort now with Long Con. I'll lynch you eventually, don't fret.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Between Long Con and nutella I am leaning more in the direction of a nutella vote right now. Black Rock and bea, you've both promoted a LoRab lynch -- could you try to briefly describe your beefs? They may already be in the thread somewhere, but time is limited to go searching around.

[bea]

I can't help feel that it makes Marmot special somehow.

We all know that marmot is a special snowflake, but we just don't let him know exactly what we mean by special.

I signed him up as marmot in the sign up thread, and have been copy and pasting the player list ever since. I don't want to mislead anyone with player names, I'm not going to hide information in places like polls, or incidental parts of night and day posts etc, because it could unbalance the game to do that.

I call him marmot because I call him marmot. If you have a problem with this, I reserve the right to assign you a nickname and call you exclusively that. Probably some kind of animal that tunnels for golden things...

yes please!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

don't fret.

Trust me, I won't.

[LoRab]

LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.

taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.

[Black Rock]

I can't help feel that it makes Marmot special somehow.

We all know that marmot is a special snowflake, but we just don't let him know exactly what we mean by special.

I signed him up as marmot in the sign up thread, and have been copy and pasting the player list ever since. I don't want to mislead anyone with player names, I'm not going to hide information in places like polls, or incidental parts of night and day posts etc, because it could unbalance the game to do that.

I call him marmot because I call him marmot. If you have a problem with this, I reserve the right to assign you a nickname and call you exclusively that. Probably some kind of animal that tunnels for golden things...

I think he's just buddying.

[Long Con]

But why? Why can't you just leave me alone?

Why can't you just leave me alone?

I need a declaration from you before I can help you.

I trust you the most out of any Cylon I have met.

[Glorfindel]

So Say We All!

How long until the deadline?

[Epignosis]

But why? Why can't you just leave me alone?

Why can't you just leave me alone?

I need a declaration from you before I can help you.

I trust you the most out of any Cylon I have met.

That isn't good enough. I want to save you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So Say We All!

How long until the deadline?

about 44 minutes.

[Glorfindel]

So Say We All!

So Say We All!

How long until the deadline?

about 44 minutes.

Thank you

[sig]

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

What's with the Marmot trust?

Well, two reasons...

1) He joke voted Epi on Day One and got us a Cylon. A good cylon, but still.

2) Curiously, he is listed as "Marmot" on the poll, and I know Golden already "explained" it, but I can't help feel that it makes Marmot special somehow.

Why are you assuming Epi is a good cylon? You've got no proof what so ever of this.

@Juliets we have no evidence pointing to this being true, and Golden said it wasn't necessary to have knowledge about the show. I think in the sign ups when looking at the roles it makes it kind off clear the cylons are the mafia. I believe they're the ones with the nightkill and they're the ones who we are activity hunting. I mean every six hours we are sending two civs out to try and blow up their ships. I don't see how everyone here is taking for granted that Epi must be a civ.

This was done in Turf Wars to and he turned out to be mafia.
I think he's mafia and has you all fooled into believing he is a "good" cylon.

[Black Rock]

LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.

taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.

Well, it was you that twitched my whiskers. but your statement that did that would only be an issue if you and LA were baddie partners.

My new theory (in my head) is that the Cylon/Human relationship is not so black and white and there will be murderers from both sides. Which means the Mafia team is made up of both. I just don't know which roles.

You already know that I like to watch you. Can you see why that post is suspicious sounding?

[Long Con]

But why? Why can't you just leave me alone?

Why can't you just leave me alone?

I need a declaration from you before I can help you.

I trust you the most out of any Cylon I have met.

That isn't good enough. I want to save you.

Maybe I don't need saving.

[S~V~S]

But why? Why can't you just leave me alone?

Why can't you just leave me alone?

I need a declaration from you before I can help you.

I trust you the most out of any Cylon I have met.

That isn't good enough. I want to save you.

Maybe I don't need saving.

This is what I have been saying.

[Long Con]

But why? Why can't you just leave me alone?

Why can't you just leave me alone?

I need a declaration from you before I can help you.

I trust you the most out of any Cylon I have met.

That isn't good enough. I want to save you.

Maybe I don't need saving.

This is what I have been saying.

That's not what I meant! I just mean I don't think I'll have a vote majority.

[DrWilgy]

#ibelieveinsig

EPI

[Polo]

I'm voting Vompatti today.

[LoRab]

LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.

taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.

Well, it was you that twitched my whiskers. but your statement that did that would only be an issue if you and LA were baddie partners.

My new theory (in my head) is that the Cylon/Human relationship is not so black and white and there will be murderers from both sides. Which means the Mafia team is made up of both. I just don't know which roles.

You already know that I like to watch you. Can you see why that post is suspicious sounding?

I guess. It's always hard to see one's own posts from another's perspective, but I guess I see what you mean.

I hope you will realize as we move forward that I'm civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

What's with the Marmot trust?

Well, two reasons...

1) He joke voted Epi on Day One and got us a Cylon. A good cylon, but still.

2) Curiously, he is listed as "Marmot" on the poll, and I know Golden already "explained" it, but I can't help feel that it makes Marmot special somehow.

Why are you assuming Epi is a good cylon? You've got no proof what so ever of this.

@Juliets we have no evidence pointing to this being true, and Golden said it wasn't necessary to have knowledge about the show. I think in the sign ups when looking at the roles it makes it kind off clear the cylons are the mafia. I believe they're the ones with the nightkill and they're the ones who we are activity hunting. I mean every six hours we are sending two civs out to try and blow up their ships. I don't see how everyone here is taking for granted that Epi must be a civ.

This was done in Turf Wars to and he turned out to be mafia.
I think he's mafia and has you all fooled into believing he is a "good" cylon.

sig, I don't understand why you're admonishing people for one extreme (assuming that Epignosis is a good cylon) and instead adopting the opposite extreme (that all cylons are bad). It is absolutely not clear that the cylons make up the mafia team (20 vs. 8 vs. 1 is not at all balanced). There are plenty of clues already in place that the game is not that simple. I agree with you that it'd be foolish to just assume Epi is good because of how his character behaves in the TV show, but if you're going to pursue his lynch then I need an actual case. "He's a confirmed cylon" is not a case.

[sig]

#ibelieveinsig

EPI

Wilgy must be civ.

[Black Rock]

LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

I've been starting to doze off in front of the computer for an hour or so, and didn't want to miss the vote. I'm not confident in my vote, but I felt suspish enough to vote. And then continued to contribute when I didn't actually fall asleep.

Not sure why you find that nefarious. I'm not bad. I don't have BTSC with Nutella. I don't know what else to say, because nothing else has been mentioned about why I'm suspish.

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

I'm confused by this, because later you say that I'm more suspish than she is. I'm not connected to her. At this poing, I don't trust her and I find her more suspish than I did when I voted. I don't know what esle to say, because you haven't really said anything about me.

taking a leap of faith here.


lorab

If I'm wrong please tell me why.

You are totally wrong. And, unless I missed it, you haven't said why you voted for me. If you explain, then I can tell you why you're wrong.

Well, it was you that twitched my whiskers. but your statement that did that would only be an issue if you and LA were baddie partners.

My new theory (in my head) is that the Cylon/Human relationship is not so black and white and there will be murderers from both sides. Which means the Mafia team is made up of both. I just don't know which roles.

You already know that I like to watch you. Can you see why that post is suspicious sounding?

I guess. It's always hard to see one's own posts from another's perspective, but I guess I see what you mean.

I hope you will realize as we move forward that I'm civ.

Well you are not being lynched today so there is time for you.

[Polo]

#ibelieveinsig

EPI

Wilgy must be civ.

Maybe you're both mafiosi.

[sig]

I think the case from day 1 has merit, but I'll work on building one over the next phase. Also you're assuming it is 20 vs. 8 vs.1 there could be other third party humans and there's the final five in play.

[sig]

#ibelieveinsig

EPI

Wilgy must be civ.

Maybe you're both mafiosi.

And we both voted together for an outed teammate hmmm maybe.

Can you explain your vote?

[LoRab]

In totally unrelated news, I just got Hamilton tickets for December. And you all should vote for and play Dom's and my Hamilton game when we post it and the next poll goes up. And, I'm more than excited to have gotten tickets. I felt a need to share.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Also you're assuming it is 20 vs. 8 vs.1 there could be other third party humans and there's the final five in play.

That's the problem. 20 vs. 8 vs. 1 is already majorly anti-town, and when you consider additional non-town humans and the final five cylon angle, it gets even worse. How does that make sense? Unless I am misunderstanding you.