Barry Lyndon - Endgame

#551

DrWilgy wrote:I tried Gleam.

Remaining baddies are Scotty, Epi and BWT.

Nope.

#552

Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I tried Gleam.

Remaining baddies are Scotty, Epi and BWT.
Nope.

You gotta betta list m8?

#553

DrWilgy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I tried Gleam.

Remaining baddies are Scotty, Epi and BWT.
Nope.
You gotta betta list m8?

Nope.

#554

DrWilgy wrote:I tried Gleam.

Remaining baddies are Scotty, Epi and BWT.

Which of these two are your teammates?

#555

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:I tried Gleam.

Remaining baddies are Scotty, Epi and BWT.
Which of these two are your teammates?

Don't you mean three?

#556

There are three left, so any given baddie has only 2 teammates left. MM seems to be assuming Wilgy is a Captain, so he could have only 2 teammates left. Unless I am misunderstanding something very basic, which is totally possible?

#557

Silly Marmot. It's you and LC remember?

Nah, you got it SVS. Who do you think is bad now?

#558

S~V~S wrote:There are three left, so any given baddie has only 2 teammates left. MM seems to be assuming Wilgy is a Captain, so he could have only 2 teammates left. Unless I am misunderstanding something very basic, which is totally possible?

Nope, you've got the premise. I don't think Long Con understands how mafia teams work.

DrWilgy wrote:Silly Marmot. It's you and LC remember?

Nah, you got it SVS. Who do you think is bad now?

Ah right. Sorry about missing the nightkill last night. I'm a very pathetic marmot.

#559

Hey! Wilgy listed three people, and MM said "Which of these two are your teammates."

Shouldn't he have said "Which of these three are your teammates?"

Am I having a reading fail, or are you?

#560

I think maybe MM meant "Which two of these are your teammates"? Maybe that's the error.

#561

Everyone should post their "Hey we should lynch these people in this order" list... on the off chance you die...

My order is: Scotty, BWT, EPI, SVS.

SVS and BWT'S position are variable depending on their contributions in the near future!

#562

birdwithteeth11
DFaraday
Scotty
Metalmarsh89
Sorsha
Epignosis
S~V~S
DrWilgy
Serge
Long Con

This was really tough to do, and it's a bit of a hasty slap-chop. I still feel most comfortable with going by the missed kill evidence and lynching BWT. DF, Scotty, and Metalmarsh are vaguely interchangable, I think I trust them less than Sorsha-S~V~S-Epi. Wilgy, I haven't really entertained the notion that you and zeebs are teammates since your original reaction, I like you as a Civ right now. Serge too.

The reason it was tough is that I've got BsG game on the brain, and sometimes reads on players bleed over between games. I just wanted to give some sort of list before night was over.

#563

DrWilgy wrote:Everyone should post their "Hey we should lynch these people in this order" list... on the off chance you die...

My order is: Scotty, BWT, EPI, SVS.

SVS and BWT'S position are variable depending on their contributions in the near future!

Making a few posts will change my position from least suspicious to most suspicious?

Have you abandoned the licking persona?

#564

I did say earlier that I was a noodle didn't I?

Noodles dont have tongues.

#565

Long Con wrote:I think maybe MM meant "Which two of these are your teammates"? Maybe that's the error.

Long Con gets it.

#566

Who shall we lynch for a cowardly deserter?

Poll ended at Wed May 11, 2016 5:22:42 pm

agleaminranks

5
Scotty (2), DFaraday (6), S~V~S (7), Metalmarsh89 (11), birdwithteeth11 (12)
38%

birdwithteeth11

1
Long Con (5)
8%

DFaraday

0

No votes

DrWilgy

1
agleaminranks (8)
8%

Epignosis

0

No votes

Long Con

0

No votes

Metalmarsh89

0

No votes

Scotty

2
Serge (4), DrWilgy (9)
15%

Serge

0

No votes

Sorsha

2
Sorsha (10), Epignosis (13)
15%

S~V~S

0

No votes

Prussia (Host/Mod/Dead/NP)

2
thellama73 (1), MovingPictures07 (3)
15%

Total votes : 13

#567

I don't suspect Scotty, for what it's worth.

#568

Day 4

It did not take long for the travelers to decide that Prussia was no place for those who wished to rise through the ranks of society into amore comfortable life. For that, one needed money, and the meager wages of an infantryman would never suffice for such grand aspirations as our participants had. If was therefore into the gambling parlours that they ventured, where the prospect, not only of winning money, but of making the acquaintance of influential people who could help them along their way was promising indeed. It was too bad the Chevalier was already dead, and also Serge.

Serge has been killed.
It is now Day 4. You have 48 hours to lynch a Captain.

#569

Well that lynch result utterly sucks. RIP Gleam.

And RIPIYWG Serge.

Wilgy, so what makes you think I'm suddenly Baddie McBaddikins?

#570

Epignosis wrote:I don't suspect Scotty, for what it's worth.

I think this is one of the few things I've seen that I can agree with.

#571

RIP Serge, sorry if my rainbow list got you killed... but I think that your likely role was what got you targeted last night.

Guys, why do you believe in Scotty?

#572

Fudge was I wrote about gleam. I'm sorry man.

I didn't perceive his wall post as authentic.

Wilgy, I would very much appreciate not voting for me today.
That BWT thinks I'm good is making me uncomfortable. I need a blanket and some warm milk.

#573

Also RIP serge. I think it was glaringly obvious who you were, and you were of no threat to me. I would have thought we could win together.

#574

Serge thought Scotty was bad, if serge was Barry I think he'd have tried to kill him last night. Unless serge had someone he thought was more likely a soldier. So if Scotty is still alive I'd lean towards civ on him as well.

#575

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well that lynch result utterly sucks. RIP Gleam.

And RIPIYWG Serge.

Wilgy, so what makes you think I'm suddenly Baddie McBaddikins?

Suddenly? I'm still on the boat that you missed submitting the NK the other day.

It's either Scotty or LC at this point. I'm back on that pattern watch...

#576

Long Con wrote:RIP Serge, sorry if my rainbow list got you killed... but I think that your likely role was what got you targeted last night.

Guys, why do you believe in Scotty?

Given the results of Day 3 and Night 3 would make me think that, unless I have serge's role pegged completely wrong.

#577

I've been bad with Scotty and I've hosted him when he was bad. He has a certain, careful tone I look for that I haven't seen here. Scotty is a skilled schemer, and I think he would know a Serge kill would plant him right in the spotlight, given that Serge had just voted for him before. No, I rather think this was an attempt to frame Scotty. Framing is all the rage nowadays.

I am curious why Wilgy's breadth is so narrow out of the gate.

#578

Sorsha wrote:Serge thought Scotty was bad, if serge was Barry I think he'd have tried to kill him last night. Unless serge had someone he thought was more likely a soldier. So if Scotty is still alive I'd lean towards civ on him as well.

That's a great point, I hadn't thought about that angle. Apparently at least a few other people were already thinking that as well, and it makes a lot of sense.

Wilgy, what's either Scotty or LC at this point? One of us is bad?

#579

DrWilgy wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well that lynch result utterly sucks. RIP Gleam.

And RIPIYWG Serge.

Wilgy, so what makes you think I'm suddenly Baddie McBaddikins?
Suddenly? I'm still on the boat that you missed submitting the NK the other day.

It's either Scotty or LC at this point. I'm back on that pattern watch...

Do you mean you suspect Scotty or LC? Why not BWT if you suspect him?

#580

Patternal coincidence really.

I don't believe that two players got me vs Zeebs 50% correct and happen to be on the same team.

BWT is a fine lynch idea, but I want more from him. BWT, what are your thoughts on Gleam vs Scotty now?

SVS as well... A fine lynch idea, but I want more from her. I feel like she's just been away this game and that's rather offsetting for me.

#581

DrWilgy wrote:Patternal coincidence really.

I don't believe that two players got me vs Zeebs 50% correct and happen to be on the same team.

BWT is a fine lynch idea, but I want more from him. BWT, what are your thoughts on Gleam vs Scotty now?

SVS as well... A fine lynch idea, but I want more from her. I feel like she's just been away this game and that's rather offsetting for me.

Your logic makes no sense, Wilgy, my dear peoplelicker.
I've already done the sky analogy with you, so let's try a political analogy.
Hypothetically let's say Llama thinks both Trump and Hillary would make a great candidate. Let's say MM thinks neither would make a great candidate.
One gets into office and makes a memorable presidency.

Can you believe that would happen? Because it sounds like your mind intrinsically doesn't allow opposite viewpoints to coexist.

I want to vote you, Wilgy, if just because you're so stubborn that LC and/or I is bad based on one illogical premise.

#582

I think your "50% correct" thing is weird. We had different suspicions, mathematics isn't really a very accurate way of assessing it. It doesn't take into account the subtler side of things.

Look at it this way - when I said "right now I think both of you are bad", that wasn't simply the same as Robot-LC outputting "barry.lyndon.reads:DrWilgy==bad;a2thezebra==bad". There is some percentage of that sentence that is simply designed to see how each of you respond to the idea. There is the idea that the timing of saying something and the context of the posts around it are a large part of the meaning. I'm not a robot, and I wasn't "50% correct" about anything.

Is there anything other than this not-really-that-bizarre "50% correct" anomaly that is making you narrow it down to just Scotty or I? Maybe just state the suspicion non-mathematically... I just don't really have much else to say about the math version.

Linki: LOL Scotty, nice alternate rebuttal!

#583

DrWilgy wrote:Patternal coincidence really.

I don't believe that two players got me vs Zeebs 50% correct and happen to be on the same team.

BWT is a fine lynch idea, but I want more from him. BWT, what are your thoughts on Gleam vs Scotty now?

SVS as well... A fine lynch idea, but I want more from her. I feel like she's just been away this game and that's rather offsetting for me.

I don't think it's a half and half thing though. At the time, I figured the two of you had orchestrated something. It still wouldn't surprise me but I'm more in the unsure category of that right now. Not leaning strongly one way or the other.

Well clearly I was wrong about Gleam given the result of that one. Given how Gleam flipped civ and Serge being NKed, plus the fact I have him slotted in a certain role, the basis of that role makes me think Scotty is civ for now.

I feel like you either have blinders on right now and can't see the forest for the trees with Scotty, or you're doing this intentionally. What happens today will help me form an opinion on that.

#584

Scotty wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Patternal coincidence really.

I don't believe that two players got me vs Zeebs 50% correct and happen to be on the same team.

BWT is a fine lynch idea, but I want more from him. BWT, what are your thoughts on Gleam vs Scotty now?

SVS as well... A fine lynch idea, but I want more from her. I feel like she's just been away this game and that's rather offsetting for me.
Your logic makes no sense, Wilgy, my dear peoplelicker.
I've already done the sky analogy with you, so let's try a political analogy.
Hypothetically let's say Llama thinks both Trump and Hillary would make a great candidate. Let's say MM thinks neither would make a great candidate.
One gets into office and makes a memorable presidency.

Can you believe that would happen? Because [it sounds like your mind intrinsically doesn't allow opposite viewpoints to coexist.

I want to vote you, Wilgy, if just because you're so stubborn that LC and/or I is bad based on one illogical premise.

@Wilgy: The bolded part right there is a much better explanation of where I feel you are right now. Hence why I mentioned blinders.

#585

It's not a matter of opposite view points existing. It's a matter of "do I believe that opposite viewpoints can healthily survive in a mafia game" and the answer is no. There is a right and a wrong and disagreements need to be absolved by majority. When two even and opposite patterns stagnate there is a reason for that, and that reason is either 1) a player doesn't care enough about said pattern or 2) a player is lying.

A good example of this would be Zeebs and Sig. A opposite and even pattern arose when they both agreed on Gambler's Fallacy, but there was opposition through Zebra. Zebra ended up being caught a liar.

Tl;dr players that have opposite views don't just shake hands and walk away in this game.

In responce to you BWT... It's spooky that both you and Epi who I have in my mind as baddies are calling the NK a set up, and this is on the 3rd of that set Scotty who I also thought was bad.

Hmmm... Epi Sorsha and BWT analyzing the NK. That bothers me as well, NK is a tool for the baddies to use, any analysis of the sort would be WIFOM and only favor the baddies at this point in the game.

#586

DrWilgy wrote:It's not a matter of opposite view points existing. It's a matter of "do I believe that opposite viewpoints can healthily survive in a mafia game" and the answer is no. There is a right and a wrong and disagreements need to be absolved by majority. When two even and opposite patterns stagnate there is a reason for that, and that reason is either 1) a player doesn't care enough about said pattern or 2) a player is lying.

A good example of this would be Zeebs and Sig. A opposite and even pattern arose when they both agreed on Gambler's Fallacy, but there was opposition through Zebra. Zebra ended up being caught a liar.

Tl;dr players that have opposite views don't just shake hands and walk away in this game.

In responce to you BWT... It's spooky that both you and Epi who I have in my mind as baddies are calling the NK a set up, and this is on the 3rd of that set Scotty who I also thought was bad.

Hmmm... Epi Sorsha and BWT analyzing the NK. That bothers me as well, NK is a tool for the baddies to use, any analysis of the sort would be WIFOM and only favor the baddies at this point in the game.

#587

Got an opinion epi? Go ahead and voice it. A blue face doesn't do me too much good.

#588

DrWilgy wrote:It's not a matter of opposite view points existing. It's a matter of "do I believe that opposite viewpoints can healthily survive in a mafia game" and the answer is no. There is a right and a wrong and disagreements need to be absolved by majority. When two even and opposite patterns stagnate there is a reason for that, and that reason is either 1) a player doesn't care enough about said pattern or 2) a player is lying.

A good example of this would be Zeebs and Sig. A opposite and even pattern arose when they both agreed on Gambler's Fallacy, but there was opposition through Zebra. Zebra ended up being caught a liar.

Tl;dr players that have opposite views don't just shake hands and walk away in this game.

"Stagnate"? Neither of the "two even and opposite patterns" you speak of are even held by their original proponents anymore. I'm sorry, Wilgy, but I'm calling fake on this one, this doesn't make sense at all.

#589

rezz pls ded 2 s00n

#590

I think zebra was thrown under the bus and was comfortable with that arrangement.

DrWilgy wrote:Thank you for unstaplung my tongue LC. Took abit to heal but I'm able to speak again.

a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Your meta's looking pretty bad right now Wilgy, to be honest.
What do you mean by this?
I mean that from what I know about Wilgy based on my experiences with him in other games, this feels way more like his baddie game than his civ game. I'm just being honest.
Only liars claim honesty. Zebra every time you claim to have a grasp on my meta you are either wrong or nothing good comes out of it...

So here's where my opposite faction theory of Sig and Zeebs came from. They were the two who actively opposed the fallacy theories. Seeing the possibility of a baddie stating "hey let's not clear anyone immediately" to get some civvy points felt too easy. Hence why I asked the question regarding it. Sig opposed it and I didn't recall getting a clear response from Zeebs. Zebra then agreed with me on Sig's forceful demeanour and nuked him after having him "scummy meta read".

Now all of this had me thinkin one of the 2 were bad. I just don't know which.

Does the enlarged sound like a mafia member who is trying to look like a civilian or a mafia member who is trying to get caught?

DrWilgy wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Where is this passion with your scumhunting efforts? Your only posts with relevant material are your defense posts, so your fate is already sealed.
I don't think that I have played defence at all this game.

Does this interaction sound like a mafia member conversing with a civilian or a teammate?

a2thezebra wrote:I'm not letting baddie DrWilgy slip by me again.

a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:You both look bad right now to me.
Why is that?
This whole back-and-forth has reached the level of contrived.
So you're saying we're teammates? Okay.
That's the only possible meaning of "you both look bad", isn't it?
It's time to remove the tinfoil.

LC raised the possibility at the time. Note zebra's reaction: zebra doesn't contest LC's accusation implied accusation, but rather wants to know why LC thinks what he does. Then zebra states the obvious and waves it away with a dismissive, "Okay."

Then there's the missing night kill that gave the impression that the kill was missed. I think the night kill was missed on purpose to drive the attention away from zebra and Wilgy's contrived exchange.

#591

Good theory, can you compare the potential of me bussing Zebra to the potential of LC or SVS?

#592

DrWilgy wrote:Good theory, can you compare the potential of me bussing Zebra to the potential of LC or SVS?

I could, but I don't feel like it.

#593

DrWilgy wrote:Patternal coincidence really.

I don't believe that two players got me vs Zeebs 50% correct and happen to be on the same team.

BWT is a fine lynch idea, but I want more from him. BWT, what are your thoughts on Gleam vs Scotty now?

SVS as well... A fine lynch idea, but I want more from her. I feel like she's just been away this game and that's rather offsetting for me.

I've been away a bit as well. Sorry about that. This certainly wasn't the best time for me to sub into a game.

I voted for gleam for being MIA Night 2, and that didn't work. I'll try a different approach when I'm around tomorrow.

#594

C'mon Epi, let's dance.

"Does the enlarged sound like a mafia member who is trying to look like a civilian or a mafia member who is trying to get caught?" - Epi

In regards to: "I mean that from what I know about Wilgy based on my experiences with him in other games, this feels way more like his baddie game than his civ game. I'm just being honest." -Zebra

So if this is true, other player's should've noticed it earlier and pointed it out yes? a mafia member trying to get caught generally would be an easy thing to notice I'd believe.
-LC
[I think I caught LC in this review thanks epi!]

Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Your meta's looking pretty bad right now Wilgy, to be honest.
What do you mean by this?

Afterwards Zebra and LC go into describing my Meta.

-Scotty makes note of it in a playful tone seen here:

Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Your meta's looking pretty bad right now Wilgy, to be honest.
What do you mean by this?
I mean that from what I know about Wilgy based on my experiences with him in other games, this feels way more like his baddie game than his civ game. I'm just being honest.
Just like you felt confident sig was bad based on knowledge of his meta?
Shhhhhh we don't talk about things I'm responsible for.
Yes ma'am.

Btw I saw you at the Nasville zoo last week. You seemed so innocent back then.

-Me

DrWilgy wrote:Thank you for unstaplung my tongue LC. Took abit to heal but I'm able to speak again.

a2thezebra wrote:
Long Con wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Your meta's looking pretty bad right now Wilgy, to be honest.
What do you mean by this?
I mean that from what I know about Wilgy based on my experiences with him in other games, this feels way more like his baddie game than his civ game. I'm just being honest.
Only liars claim honesty. Zebra every time you claim to have a grasp on my meta you are either wrong or nothing good comes out of it...

-LC once again

Long Con wrote:Welcome, Marmot!

Wilgy, I agree that it's true that it's mostly liars feel the need to profess their honesty. I have specifically tried to erase such things from my baddie vocabulary.

And that's it from what I have observed. Did anyone other than me, suggest that Zebra was bad because of this "easy to catch" quote? No, LC even light defended her by stating "Baddies probably wouldn't say that, because we purposely cut it from our vernacular".

Please if you can validate Zebra's lust to get caught when I was the only person who pointed out the suspicion of this post, do let me know. Hey Epi, if this was a baddie trying to get caught. Why didn't you see it, catch it, and call Zebra out on it? (this one's important)

"Does this interaction sound like a mafia member conversing with a civilian or a teammate?" - Epi

This one is simply a matter of opinion that I can't argue against. I still feel like I've been all aggro all game, even in this I feel like I'm going after certain players.

"

" - Epi
I'm starting to notice a habit of you leaving vague smileys in place of thoughts, why does this make you ponder?

"LC raised the possibility at the time. Note zebra's reaction: zebra doesn't contest LC's accusation implied accusation, but rather wants to know why LC thinks what he does. Then zebra states the obvious and waves it away with a dismissive, "Okay."" - Epi

So this one is interesting since you are once again allowing baddie action to rule the course of the game. Analyzing NK's, reading into baddie actions that could have been Zebra trying to bring me down, It could've been LC trying to get me to go down with a teammate of his. There are many possibilities based on these quotes that you drew your assumptions from that you don't consider... But clearly you are no fool, so it's the WIFOM.

"Then there's the missing night kill that gave the impression that the kill was missed. I think the night kill was missed on purpose to drive the attention away from zebra and Wilgy's contrived exchange." - Epi

That would imply that I gave up the kill for mind games which would be dumb, really dumb. Similarly to how civs never "no lynch" a mafia should never "no kill", but you honestly believe that I did that even though I still was receiving heat both before and afterwards. Also if avoiding attention was my play style this game would I be posting as much as I am? again with the claim of aggro play, but I don't see how you can call my play this game as avoiding attention.

#595

Also, @LC what would you classify as original proponents?

Also also, because something doesn't make sense it's fake? Shit, the entirety of the universe must be fake!

#596

"Imply that I gave up the kill for mind games..."

Juicy wording. Only one captain can kill or withhold the kill or miss the kill. Why does this automatically imply that YOU gave up the kill?

#597

Epignosis wrote:"Imply that I gave up the kill for mind games..."

Juicy wording. Only one captain can kill or withhold the kill or miss the kill. Why does this automatically imply that YOU gave up the kill?

Based on your wording of this,
"Then there's the missing night kill that gave the impression that the kill was missed. I think the night kill was missed on purpose to drive the attention away from zebra and Wilgy's contrived exchange."
If the kill was missed on purpose to drive attention away from me, and you think I'm bad, that would imply that I was responsible for either not submitting a kill or was at least responsible for some of the desicion making when the kill was chosen to not be submitted.

#598

It doesn't imply that at all. I think you slipped.

#599

Epignosis wrote:It doesn't imply that at all. I think you slipped.

Bs Epi. Your angle was that of Zebra and I being teammates. That would mean I at the minimum had some responsibility for the kill.

#600

Here's my new list based on recent events
Scotty or LC still stands, LC with a slightly higher chance of being mafia.
Epignosis
SVS

As of rereading through BWT, I no longer suspect him at this time. I need to relook at Sriracha, DF and Marmot. LC case coming shortly.

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