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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
@Niju- I didn't say I played a stupid game or played stupidly. I've become a pretty good player in speed games, I think. I used the word stupid when referring to the fact that I can only hold so much in the forefront of my mind and once I let it go, its either gone or so far deep inside that it's difficult to recover. I swear I am going to be the old lady with Alzheimer.
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Re: Transistor [POLLS]
Locate the Camerata and/or The Process.
Poll runs till Fri May 20, 2016 8:53 pm
agleaminranks
0
No votes
AllAlongtheBoardwalk
0
No votes
Cell
1
Elohcin (21)
5%
DFaraday
0
No votes
DrumBeats
0
No votes
DrWilgy
1
MacDougall (12)
5%
Elohcin
5
DrWilgy (9), Matt (10), JaggedJimmyJay (14), nijuukyugou (15), kneel4justice (19)
24%
Illyria
0
No votes
JaggedJimmyJay
1
thellama73 (8)
5%
Matt
0
No votes
MovingPictures07
1
agleaminranks (16)
5%
Nerolunar
2
nutella (13), Young Lady (20)
10%
nijuukyugou
0
No votes
nutella
1
DrumBeats (17)
5%
reywaS
0
No votes
thellama73
0
No votes
Young Lady
2
Cell (5), Nerolunar (11)
10%
Fairview (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
7
Epignosis (1), Metalmarsh89 (2), sig (3), Spacedaisy (4), Scotty (6), ika (7), a2thezebra (18)
33%
Total votes : 21
Poll runs till Fri May 20, 2016 8:53 pm
agleaminranks
0
No votes
AllAlongtheBoardwalk
0
No votes
Cell
1
Elohcin (21)
5%
DFaraday
0
No votes
DrumBeats
0
No votes
DrWilgy
1
MacDougall (12)
5%
Elohcin
5
DrWilgy (9), Matt (10), JaggedJimmyJay (14), nijuukyugou (15), kneel4justice (19)
24%
Illyria
0
No votes
JaggedJimmyJay
1
thellama73 (8)
5%
Matt
0
No votes
MovingPictures07
1
agleaminranks (16)
5%
Nerolunar
2
nutella (13), Young Lady (20)
10%
nijuukyugou
0
No votes
nutella
1
DrumBeats (17)
5%
reywaS
0
No votes
thellama73
0
No votes
Young Lady
2
Cell (5), Nerolunar (11)
10%
Fairview (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
7
Epignosis (1), Metalmarsh89 (2), sig (3), Spacedaisy (4), Scotty (6), ika (7), a2thezebra (18)
33%
Total votes : 21
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
Day 2 Ends: In Circles
No, I won’t. Not you.
Elohcin has been lynched.
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It is now Night 2. You have 23 hours to submit your PMs and vote.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Sweet result! I guess my last-minute change of heart was misguided. I know that doesn't look good for me, but like Gleam when I reread Eloh she looked more genuine and was trying to defend herself. After her last response before my vote I kind of went back and forth on what I thought of it but I decided that my suspicion of Nero was stronger.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
This Young Lady is happy with the results, but it won't aid.
This Young Lady if the Dark Master isn't eliminated.
This Young Lady believes the Moon or the four legged mammal are the tools of Probey and its Dark Master.
This Young Lady if the Dark Master isn't eliminated.
This Young Lady believes the Moon or the four legged mammal are the tools of Probey and its Dark Master.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Aww... There goes my team buddie.
Hmm... Why did Sig die?
Hmm... Why did Sig die?
Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Good catch on Elo people who voted her.
Is everyone willing to do a 1:1 exchange with the mafia right now, assuming they strike first? We can't ignore the process throughout the game and expect to win imo
Is everyone willing to do a 1:1 exchange with the mafia right now, assuming they strike first? We can't ignore the process throughout the game and expect to win imo
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Finally back...been really busy but I'm gonna catch up.
Also, good move lynching Elo, looks like I didn't miss much of anything with that result since I had voted for him Day 1 (I'm pretty sure anyway).
Also, good move lynching Elo, looks like I didn't miss much of anything with that result since I had voted for him Day 1 (I'm pretty sure anyway).
Re: Transistor [Night 2]
This Doctor thinks Mac needs to be looked at in regards to process association.
This Doctor supports a healthy Nutella lunch tomorrow!
This Doctor supports a healthy Nutella lunch tomorrow!
Re: Transistor [Night 2]
I'm so sorry I missed the vote! I unexpectedly had to work late and wasn't able to check in.
I wasn't really feeling the Elo suspicion, so good call, Elo voters! I would have voted Nero, though I'll have to rethink that suspicion in light of this result.
I wasn't really feeling the Elo suspicion, so good call, Elo voters! I would have voted Nero, though I'll have to rethink that suspicion in light of this result.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
I hate being silenced!
On the plus side, glad to see Elo go and flip mafia.
On the plus side, glad to see Elo go and flip mafia.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
How would you rank them in terms of least to most suspicious? I'm going to mull over that myself now that we know Elo was mafia and provide my ranking.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In summary I think there's a valid reason to suspect nearly everyone in the Zebra wagon. The only vote that I don't find especially troubling is Matt's. I am sure not everyone else in that wagon is a baddie, so it's important that everyone involved say their piece and enable a fuller conversation.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
When you get the chance, I'm intrigued to hear more detail about why you inevitably went with Nero over Elo (and Illy and Llama).nutella wrote:ok, sorry I have not been here, just caught up but it is kinda a blur. RIP zebra and sig.
MP, your reasons for suspecting me seem to be mostly the fact that I found Elo and Drum suspicious and that my "relatively strong diction" or whatever. Idk man I was just expressing my reaction to their posts and found them suspicious. After Drum explained what he meant a bit more clearly I don't really suspect him as much, but I've been finding Elo to be more suspicious and it looks like she was sort of evasive yesterday so I will be looking at her today. I haven't gotten particular pings from anyone else but I'm interested in hearing more from Illy, Nero, and Llama.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
I don't recall seeing anyone answer this.kneel4justice wrote:Also - is there a gender guide somewhere or can someone give me one? I'm struggling lol
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
I'd agree with this list FWIW.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The following people are probably too new to The Syndicate to be familiar with this joke (correct me if I'm wrong):Cell wrote:Scans DrWilgyDrWilgy wrote:Cell! Talk to me bae
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Less likely to be the Process.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
JJJ, in response to your ISO of me (I clipped just the one point you wanted me to address):
I understand why you or someone else would interpret the orange text as you did; I should have been clearer with it. What I said was true, and had crossed my mind, but even at the time that I wrote that I thought I had a potentially valid point re: nutella, and the only way I would have considered a vote for any of those folks was if nutella made me feel better about her and I had no other "slight mafia" reads. Stated otherwise, I would have only voted for any of those three if I had literally no leads, and then out of all null reads I'd vote for someone being "unhelpful", but then and only then. I try to ensure that never happens, and obviously it didn't in this case because there was other content generated and nutella never responded to me in time. Hope that clarifies.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:MovingPictures07
MP assembled this "WTF/???/Null" pile with Zebra, Wilgy, and Matt. I'm not sure why Matt needs to be lumped in there but the other two were regarded that way by most I think. The yellow highlighted portion reiterates MP's stance that Zebra's behavior shouldn't be perceived as alignment-indicative, perhaps a precursor to his current more emotive admonishments.MovingPictures07 wrote:a2thezebra, DrWilgy, and Matt are all in a similar category to me right now of WTF/???/Null, because they seem to playing outwardly in a way that could be considered anti-town, but I know better about all of them than to believe that such behavior is alignment indicative. I wish zebra would get her head in the game and address some concerns though, and I'd like to see some more from Wilgy and Matt. I don't know what to make of zebra and Matt's votes being cast already, frankly. I could vote for any of these three, maybe, if they fail to contribute anything else during d1 and I don't have any other even remotely confident mafia reads.
The orange bit though is contrary to that current mindset MP has adopted -- he said he "could vote for any of these three, maybe..." which would include Zebra. It can be argued whether this constitutes "support" for the lynch, but it's definitely not resistance to it. This is perhaps the most suspicious moment of MP's posts so far and it's something he'll need to answer for.
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MP's sheer effort in this game so far has been rather meteoric. He has dominated the post count from the start, even leaving me in the dust to this point. That's a rare feat. I think he proved in the scrimmage though that effort alone is not enough to earn him a town read, and that his content needs to be critically assessed continually to maximize our chances of figuring him out. I feel that his content in this game so far has been mostly of a positive reflection, and that there's a visible and followable progression in his treatment of Zebra to foretell his current mindset. However, I did find the one discrepancy I noted and I would like MP to address that point.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
Oh, and welcome to the game, K4J and MacDougall!
Addressing what gleam said about me today (and his vote for me):
gleam, consider me confused with respect to your suspicion of me, so I hope you can elucidate.
Regarding the orange content above: From what I understand, your suspicion of me is coming purely from nightkill analysis (NKA). Is this correct? Can you explain how it would have put you "in a bad position"? I fail to follow you there. I don't see how that would be the case. And yes, I did disagree with you for what I thought were logical reasons; did you not find my speculation logical?
Regarding the yellow content above: How was my absence "convenient"? You didn't give me any chance to respond to your accusations considering I was silenced, which is something you mentioned right in here. I find this contrasts with what you said about me earlier:
You never elaborated on this point (so that would be nice), but considering I've had far and away the most posts of anyone all game, I presume by "few actives" that included me.
If so, then why did you feel pretty good about me then, and what about that feeling went away? The only reason I can find for your suspicion of me now is nightkill analysis, so I'm very confused as to why I would be deserving of your d2 vote over everyone else, especially if you had a positive view of me on d1.
Please explain ASAP.
Lastly, I voted for Jerk (again, because why not?), and I'm tired now, so I'm going to sleep on this and provide a new rainbow list and related thoughts on folks tomorrow before Night 2 ends.
Addressing what gleam said about me today (and his vote for me):
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Regarding the orange content above: From what I understand, your suspicion of me is coming purely from nightkill analysis (NKA). Is this correct? Can you explain how it would have put you "in a bad position"? I fail to follow you there. I don't see how that would be the case. And yes, I did disagree with you for what I thought were logical reasons; did you not find my speculation logical?
Regarding the yellow content above: How was my absence "convenient"? You didn't give me any chance to respond to your accusations considering I was silenced, which is something you mentioned right in here. I find this contrasts with what you said about me earlier:
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If so, then why did you feel pretty good about me then, and what about that feeling went away? The only reason I can find for your suspicion of me now is nightkill analysis, so I'm very confused as to why I would be deserving of your d2 vote over everyone else, especially if you had a positive view of me on d1.
Please explain ASAP.
Lastly, I voted for Jerk (again, because why not?), and I'm tired now, so I'm going to sleep on this and provide a new rainbow list and related thoughts on folks tomorrow before Night 2 ends.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
I've just gotten a really strong baddie vibe from Nero's posts recently. I think at least some of it was when he complained about never winning, and some of it was his decision to vote for young lady, but it's a gut read that goes beyond those concrete things. By the time Elo posted her reply to Matt after I said I'd give her a chance to come in before voting, I realized that my gut read on Nero felt stronger, and I looked back over Elo's posts and began to doubt myself as I read her as more genuine/getting trapped by indefensible attacks. I guess she fooled me with her emotional appeal, next time I won't second-guess myself :/MovingPictures07 wrote:When you get the chance, I'm intrigued to hear more detail about why you inevitably went with Nero over Elo (and Illy and Llama).nutella wrote:ok, sorry I have not been here, just caught up but it is kinda a blur. RIP zebra and sig.
MP, your reasons for suspecting me seem to be mostly the fact that I found Elo and Drum suspicious and that my "relatively strong diction" or whatever. Idk man I was just expressing my reaction to their posts and found them suspicious. After Drum explained what he meant a bit more clearly I don't really suspect him as much, but I've been finding Elo to be more suspicious and it looks like she was sort of evasive yesterday so I will be looking at her today. I haven't gotten particular pings from anyone else but I'm interested in hearing more from Illy, Nero, and Llama.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.kneel4justice wrote:So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.
DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Good lynch result. I will be voting weed again tonight.
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.
Re: Transistor [Night 2]
I want to try lynching a Process element, if only to see what happens. Also, lmao at tyhe Young Lady going NO U on me
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
This might prove a telling flip given the progression of Day 1.
I'm going to reassess in light of the new information before I put up any sort of ranking. Eloh was a point of significant discussion and I'm going to do some interactive reads.MovingPictures07 wrote:How would you rank them in terms of least to most suspicious? I'm going to mull over that myself now that we know Elo was mafia and provide my ranking.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In summary I think there's a valid reason to suspect nearly everyone in the Zebra wagon. The only vote that I don't find especially troubling is Matt's. I am sure not everyone else in that wagon is a baddie, so it's important that everyone involved say their piece and enable a fuller conversation.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but I'll move on rather than get into that.nutella wrote:I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.kneel4justice wrote:So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.
DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?
Now that we know Elo was bad, I need to see whether there are any in-thread connections between Nero and Elo, or whether they interacted to any notable degree.
Voting Operator just because.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
Makes sense. Thanks!nutella wrote:I've just gotten a really strong baddie vibe from Nero's posts recently. I think at least some of it was when he complained about never winning, and some of it was his decision to vote for young lady, but it's a gut read that goes beyond those concrete things. By the time Elo posted her reply to Matt after I said I'd give her a chance to come in before voting, I realized that my gut read on Nero felt stronger, and I looked back over Elo's posts and began to doubt myself as I read her as more genuine/getting trapped by indefensible attacks. I guess she fooled me with her emotional appeal, next time I won't second-guess myself :/MovingPictures07 wrote:When you get the chance, I'm intrigued to hear more detail about why you inevitably went with Nero over Elo (and Illy and Llama).nutella wrote:ok, sorry I have not been here, just caught up but it is kinda a blur. RIP zebra and sig.
MP, your reasons for suspecting me seem to be mostly the fact that I found Elo and Drum suspicious and that my "relatively strong diction" or whatever. Idk man I was just expressing my reaction to their posts and found them suspicious. After Drum explained what he meant a bit more clearly I don't really suspect him as much, but I've been finding Elo to be more suspicious and it looks like she was sort of evasive yesterday so I will be looking at her today. I haven't gotten particular pings from anyone else but I'm interested in hearing more from Illy, Nero, and Llama.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
I would have to examine some interactions first, and I don't like getting into team theories too ahead of myself, but I'd tentatively agree that DF and Nero are teammate-compatible. I'm not sure whether the point about DF's participation is anything alignment-indicative though.nutella wrote:I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.kneel4justice wrote:So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.
DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Note: when I do these interactive reviews, I'm going to try color-coding/connecting after throwing all of the quotes into one spoiler, so the posts aren't quite as huge. Please don't confuse these colors with alignment reads, they aren't meant to function like they would in a rainbow list.
Things agleaminranks said to/about Elohcin:
Yellow: Perhaps one thing of note is that in response to DrumBeats's town/baddie cooperation proposal, the strongest support he received arguably came from Elohcin -- strong enough that she was suspected for it and she had to backtrack. Conversely, the strongest opposition to DrumBeats probably came from agleaminranks in the first quoted post here. Given the uniqueness of this scenario in which anyone would propose the two eternally opposed factions work together on something, I don't think it's likely all of the baddies responded in-thread the same way. It's speculative to consider how the others might have responded, but it could be of significance that agleam and Eloh represented the two extremes of that spectrum.
The second yellow bit shows agleam acknowledging on some level that Eloh might be suspicious, though it isn't overtly stated.
Orange: agleam was quite critical of Matt for his treatment of Elohcin throughout Days 1 and 2. These represent strong defenses of Elohcin which itself isn't necessarily a bad thing on its own, but I don't think it's a great look that those defenses came in the form of discrediting criticisms of someone else.
Red: These statements are Belgian waffles. That's not ideal.
Green: When agleam was willing to take a more conclusive stance on Elohcin, it was to call her a civilian read (once each day phase).
Things Elohcin said to/about agleaminranks:
There's not as much to say about the interaction from this side. The first quote could be construed as a softball question.
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I think there's team mate potential here. My primary concerns are less that he defended Elohcin and more the means by which he did so -- by criticizing Matt (to the point of voting for him for it). The waffles aren't encouraging either. The yellow point I made above is a lot more speculative; I welcome anyone's thoughts on that.
Things agleaminranks said to/about Elohcin:
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The second yellow bit shows agleam acknowledging on some level that Eloh might be suspicious, though it isn't overtly stated.
Orange: agleam was quite critical of Matt for his treatment of Elohcin throughout Days 1 and 2. These represent strong defenses of Elohcin which itself isn't necessarily a bad thing on its own, but I don't think it's a great look that those defenses came in the form of discrediting criticisms of someone else.
Red: These statements are Belgian waffles. That's not ideal.
Green: When agleam was willing to take a more conclusive stance on Elohcin, it was to call her a civilian read (once each day phase).
Things Elohcin said to/about agleaminranks:
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I think there's team mate potential here. My primary concerns are less that he defended Elohcin and more the means by which he did so -- by criticizing Matt (to the point of voting for him for it). The waffles aren't encouraging either. The yellow point I made above is a lot more speculative; I welcome anyone's thoughts on that.
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Re: Transistor [Day 2]
That sounds good to me. I was hoping to do some myself if you didn't get around to it first.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This might prove a telling flip given the progression of Day 1.
I'm going to reassess in light of the new information before I put up any sort of ranking. Eloh was a point of significant discussion and I'm going to do some interactive reads.MovingPictures07 wrote:How would you rank them in terms of least to most suspicious? I'm going to mull over that myself now that we know Elo was mafia and provide my ranking.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In summary I think there's a valid reason to suspect nearly everyone in the Zebra wagon. The only vote that I don't find especially troubling is Matt's. I am sure not everyone else in that wagon is a baddie, so it's important that everyone involved say their piece and enable a fuller conversation.
I'm going to at least throw up a new rainbow here due to my lack of being able to talk during Day 2, subject to change pending further investigation by myself, you, or others.
Re: Transistor [Day 2]
I don´t think we did - but I find it troublesome that you are actively looking for evidence to support your pre-existing suspicion. Its like the conspiracy theorists who twist anything they find to fit their theory. Okay its not exactly like that, but thats the feeling I get with this post.DFaraday wrote:I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but I'll move on rather than get into that.nutella wrote:I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.kneel4justice wrote:So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.
DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?
Now that we know Elo was bad, I need to see whether there are any in-thread connections between Nero and Elo, or whether they interacted to any notable degree.
Voting Operator just because.
Im not sure it´s alignment indicative though. Im still feeling civ about you.
Regardless, I think Nero should be lynched on grounds that he's my partner, your partner, Enrique's partner, the Joker, the Riddler, the Gingerbread Man, and Toto.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Things AllAlongTheBoardwalk said to/about Elohcin:
Elohcin said nothing to/about AATB.
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The only relevant post I can find either way is the Day 1 vote. That vote might be pretty meaningful though. After Zebra had amassed a 6-2 vote lead over Matt on Day 1, the Elohcin wagon sprung up and came within one vote of matching the Zebra wagon. AATB's vote was the 5th for Eloh with around a half hour remaining in the day phase. If they're team mates that was a ballsy move. I think this is a nice look for AATB.
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The only relevant post I can find either way is the Day 1 vote. That vote might be pretty meaningful though. After Zebra had amassed a 6-2 vote lead over Matt on Day 1, the Elohcin wagon sprung up and came within one vote of matching the Zebra wagon. AATB's vote was the 5th for Eloh with around a half hour remaining in the day phase. If they're team mates that was a ballsy move. I think this is a nice look for AATB.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
MP Rainbow List #3 - Night 2
Moderate Town:
JaggedJimmyJay
DrWilgy
AllAlongtheBoardwalk
Slight Town:
nijuukyugou
kneel4justice (reywaS)
nutella
Slight Mafia:
DrumBeats
Matt
thellama73
Moderate Mafia:
MacDougall (Illyria)
DFaraday
agleaminranks
Nerolunar
Note that now I'm trying to rank players within groups, but that these feelings are very tentative, pending further investigation in light of Elo's mafia flip and everyone's d1 and d2 votes. Forced myself to get rid of null reads.
Moderate Town:
JaggedJimmyJay
DrWilgy
AllAlongtheBoardwalk
Slight Town:
nijuukyugou
kneel4justice (reywaS)
nutella
Slight Mafia:
DrumBeats
Matt
thellama73
Moderate Mafia:
MacDougall (Illyria)
DFaraday
agleaminranks
Nerolunar
Note that now I'm trying to rank players within groups, but that these feelings are very tentative, pending further investigation in light of Elo's mafia flip and everyone's d1 and d2 votes. Forced myself to get rid of null reads.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Things DFaraday said to/about Elohcin:
Things Elohcin said to/about DFaraday:
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The content is too limited to come to a conclusive judgment. The highlighted portion is a little disconcerting -- "whatever that may indicate". DFaraday's Day 1 vote went to Zebra (3rd) and he missed the vote on Day 2. Overall I think he's mildly suspicious.
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The content is too limited to come to a conclusive judgment. The highlighted portion is a little disconcerting -- "whatever that may indicate". DFaraday's Day 1 vote went to Zebra (3rd) and he missed the vote on Day 2. Overall I think he's mildly suspicious.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
I think I'm getting those choppy site-loading issues some others were mentioning before around the site. Previewing and submitting posts is proving more challenging than usual at the moment.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Odd. Let me look into it. I haven't experienced any such problems myself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think I'm getting those choppy site-loading issues some others were mentioning before around the site. Previewing and submitting posts is proving more challenging than usual at the moment.
Re: Transistor [Day 2]
What? No, I'm not. All I mean is that now that we've got a baddie I want to see if there is anything which would either link you to or suggest you're not aligned with Elo.Nerolunar wrote:I don´t think we did - but I find it troublesome that you are actively looking for evidence to support your pre-existing suspicion. Its like the conspiracy theorists who twist anything they find to fit their theory. Okay its not exactly like that, but thats the feeling I get with this post.DFaraday wrote:I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, but I'll move on rather than get into that.nutella wrote:I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.kneel4justice wrote:So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.
DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?
Now that we know Elo was bad, I need to see whether there are any in-thread connections between Nero and Elo, or whether they interacted to any notable degree.
Voting Operator just because.
Im not sure it´s alignment indicative though. Im still feeling civ about you.
Having reviewed their posts, there is zero interaction between Nero and Elo since Night 0, where Elo said Nero had a good theory. So that was a dead end.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Things DrumBeats said to/about Elohcin:
Orange: DrumBeats and Elohcin seemed to mindmeld on a couple points -- DB's controversial proposal and on the perceived "slip" by Zebra. This represents a very overt connection between the two and I find myself doubting that's a likely baddie maneuver. It'd be a pretty significant, and I think well-executed, WIFOM ploy for them to be team mates given this.
Green: He placed Elohcin among his three town reads on Day 1. He acknowledges the potential for bias given her reception of his proposal, which I find believable. He had more of a personal reason to town read Elohcin than most other players in this game did.
Things Elohcin said to/about DrumBeats:
These probably aren't all in perfect order. The different search terms "Drum" and "DB" caused that.
Yellow: This reads to me like an attempt to smear DrumBeats for saying something off-beat. Good look.
Otherwise her mentions of DB were more offhand, either when defending herself or when explaining her vote for Zebra.
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I think it's plausible to envision a universe in which these two are team mates, but I don't think it's likely. The sheer WIFOM of their mindmelding on his cooperation proposal as well as the Zebra "slip" would be one of the more "broad daylight" team mate interactions I can remember seeing. I am not especially suspicious of DrumBeats.
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Green: He placed Elohcin among his three town reads on Day 1. He acknowledges the potential for bias given her reception of his proposal, which I find believable. He had more of a personal reason to town read Elohcin than most other players in this game did.
Things Elohcin said to/about DrumBeats:
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Yellow: This reads to me like an attempt to smear DrumBeats for saying something off-beat. Good look.
Otherwise her mentions of DB were more offhand, either when defending herself or when explaining her vote for Zebra.
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I think it's plausible to envision a universe in which these two are team mates, but I don't think it's likely. The sheer WIFOM of their mindmelding on his cooperation proposal as well as the Zebra "slip" would be one of the more "broad daylight" team mate interactions I can remember seeing. I am not especially suspicious of DrumBeats.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Unless MP believes Elo staged her beef with me about my gameplay and I "faked" tunneling on her for the last few days...
I'm really not sure, in what universe, I could possibly be bad. Unless MP thinks I'm the Process.
I think we should lynch Mac next day phase.
I'm really not sure, in what universe, I could possibly be bad. Unless MP thinks I'm the Process.
I think we should lynch Mac next day phase.
Re: Transistor [Night 2]
That reads funny because I said "unless" twice. Lulz. I just woke up
But yeah, can you elaborate MP? Do you think Elo and I were pulling what Bullz and I did in the Lost heist game, go at it right off the bat?
But yeah, can you elaborate MP? Do you think Elo and I were pulling what Bullz and I did in the Lost heist game, go at it right off the bat?
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Matt, I haven't based my rainbow reads on interactive analysis just yet; I'm holding off on incorporating that for now until JJJ (or myself/others) have completed them, then I can consider those interactions. I don't want to do so based on my memory.
The reason you're currently placed where you are is due to your d1 zebra vote. I do recognize she was most antagonistic towards you of anyone though, so I'd guess that you're bound to go to at least slight town based on those interactions, but again, I need to actually look at them in detail.
I'd be tentatively down with lynching Mac; Illyria has some unfavorable looks. I'd rather wait and do some more analysis before committing to a d3 lynch, but I'd be OK with any of those moderate mafia reads at the moment.
The reason you're currently placed where you are is due to your d1 zebra vote. I do recognize she was most antagonistic towards you of anyone though, so I'd guess that you're bound to go to at least slight town based on those interactions, but again, I need to actually look at them in detail.
I'd be tentatively down with lynching Mac; Illyria has some unfavorable looks. I'd rather wait and do some more analysis before committing to a d3 lynch, but I'd be OK with any of those moderate mafia reads at the moment.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Things DrWilgy said to/about Elohcin:
Yellow: Whether this meta discussion of Spirited Away is relevant or meaningful I couldn't say. I'll just ask Doc: what was the importance of this point to you? I didn't play in that game.
Orange: Doc's vote for Elohcin was the 1st of her 5 on Day 1. Like he said, it came with about one hour remaining in the phase -- getting Eloh within range of Zebra's 6-vote wagon was a long shot. We did end up getting really close though. His vote would seem consistent with his disinterest in the Zebra wagon (see the first spoilered post), and he didn't show interest in lynching Matt either. It's a decent look for him I think, tentatively given that it was the first vote in a long shot wagon. He was also the first of five votes for Eloh on Day 2.
Green: Rather brash.
Things Elohcin said to/about DrWilgy:
Red: I highlight this for its relevance to the observation first made by Matt that Elohcin was more inclined to give Zebra crap for her "zaniness" while associating DrWilgy with a "curse". This is at least a curious difference in her treatment of people, and with Zebra confirmed as a townie that might have meaning.
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From Doc's perspective I think it's mostly a decent look. He played a role in generating a meaningful Day 1 Elohcin counterwagon to the dominating Zebra wagon and stuck to that on Day 2. From Elohcin's perspective I do think the stuff in red is a valid point against him. I'm not sure it's something he can answer for though since he didn't actually say it, Eloh did. I lean slightly townward on Doc.
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Orange: Doc's vote for Elohcin was the 1st of her 5 on Day 1. Like he said, it came with about one hour remaining in the phase -- getting Eloh within range of Zebra's 6-vote wagon was a long shot. We did end up getting really close though. His vote would seem consistent with his disinterest in the Zebra wagon (see the first spoilered post), and he didn't show interest in lynching Matt either. It's a decent look for him I think, tentatively given that it was the first vote in a long shot wagon. He was also the first of five votes for Eloh on Day 2.
Green: Rather brash.
Things Elohcin said to/about DrWilgy:
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From Doc's perspective I think it's mostly a decent look. He played a role in generating a meaningful Day 1 Elohcin counterwagon to the dominating Zebra wagon and stuck to that on Day 2. From Elohcin's perspective I do think the stuff in red is a valid point against him. I'm not sure it's something he can answer for though since he didn't actually say it, Eloh did. I lean slightly townward on Doc.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
I'll continue this later, ideally before the end of the night phase. I have stuff to do man.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
I'll examine them later myself as well; I'm trying to work on database stuff right now and shouldn't even be here.
Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Mac replaced Illy, right?
Illy sided with Elo on Elo's "frustration" (I've quoted the word, but tbh, I believe Elo was speaking from the heart when saying she was frustrated with my gameplay)...
Mac replaces Illy...
Strange. Hrm.
Illy sided with Elo on Elo's "frustration" (I've quoted the word, but tbh, I believe Elo was speaking from the heart when saying she was frustrated with my gameplay)...
Later on, Illy would tell me she does not trust my instincts and would not follow my Elo vote, based on my hounding Illy in Donwton and being wrong about her alignment...Illyria wrote:I am not, and I share your frustration here.Elohcin wrote:GAH!!! THIS! This is the type of post that is driving me nuts these days. Either be helpful or hush. Matt, you are giving me gray hairs already this game.Matt wrote:Yeah let's lynch the Bloops. She's the Process, right?
And don't take this frustration as a defense of Niju, y'all. Cause I know that's what at least 2 of you are thinking.
Again, tho I was wrong on Illy's alignment, she conveniently leaves out the part where I suspected she had BTSC and was right on the money. So why not trust my instincts if I was "half right" on her in the last game? I brought this up, but she never answered, and was shortly replaced thereafter.Illyria wrote:Matt, I think you and Elo have very different playstyles which can be problematic. I am reminded that you and I do as well, and you were like a damn dog with a bone decrying I was bad for what.. Four Mafia days?? I was not. I do not trust your instincts. So I am not following an Elo vote.
Mac replaces Illy...
Elohcin wrote:Ooo, what a good idea! What do you say Mac?Matt wrote:Yeaaaah!!! Macdougall!
Despite my excitement, he'll probably form an allliance with Elo to P-lynch me.
Mac doesn't say anything else about me or Elohcin. Votes Wilgy, again, doesn't say anything about Elo, one way or the other.MacDougall wrote:He does seem bad tbh
Strange. Hrm.
Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Weed once again.
Mac and Nutella are at the top of my suspect list.
@JJJ the meta discussion is because Matt was reminiscent of me in Spirited Away (at least towards Eloh). Eloh was civ then, but didn't react the same way here.
Mac and Nutella are at the top of my suspect list.
@JJJ the meta discussion is because Matt was reminiscent of me in Spirited Away (at least towards Eloh). Eloh was civ then, but didn't react the same way here.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Sorry I haven't been around. I've gotten really sick. So I can't catch up or read what's happened since last night. I'm glad we got Eloh, though!
I went ahead and voted for the Creep option.
I went ahead and voted for the Creep option.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Things Illyria / MacDougall said to/about Elohcin:
The first post is idle banter about the Process and I wouldn't say it indicates much of anything about IllyDougall. I'm not a fan of the highlighted portion in the second post; she went out of her way to discredit Matt. In this case I don't think there can be a more appropriate term than "discredit", because she even called Matt one of her only two town reads. She referenced some other game to support her distrust for his instincts, I don't know what game that was. Maybe Matt knows? It could be helpful to refer back to whatever that was to get a better idea of whether the personal grudge she seemed to hold is a viable excuse.
Things Elohcin said to/about Illyria / MacDougall:
Elohcin herself might have provided some clarity on the previous point when she corrected my initial misinterpretation of Illyria. We're forced to decide whether the incident between Matt and Illyria in whatever other game is good enough to justify her discrediting him entirely despite reading him as a townie.
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I'll await further input on the Matt/Illyria dynamic to better substantiate this read. The worst thing going for Illyria was her Day 1 vote for Zebra (2nd of 6, Elohcin still at 0 votes). Mac's Day 2 vote for DrWilgy (1st of 1, Elohcin at 2 votes) doesn't inspire me either.
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Things Elohcin said to/about Illyria / MacDougall:
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I'll await further input on the Matt/Illyria dynamic to better substantiate this read. The worst thing going for Illyria was her Day 1 vote for Zebra (2nd of 6, Elohcin still at 0 votes). Mac's Day 2 vote for DrWilgy (1st of 1, Elohcin at 2 votes) doesn't inspire me either.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Woo woo! Excellent result!
I will vote Weed, because the name is amusing and why not.
I will vote Weed, because the name is amusing and why not.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
Things Matt said to/about Elohcin:
Incoming big spoiler
Matt was the most vocal opponent of Elohcin in the game on Day 1. He did everything to promote her lynch except vote for her himself. That may not be ideal, but gun to my head I think his lamentations about his Zebra vote and desire to change it to Elohcin were genuine. The degree of antagonism between these two, particularly where it bordered on getting personal, suggests to me that Matt was truly getting on Elohcin's nerves -- something that is more likely from a non-team mate aggressive interaction. That becomes more evident when the interaction is viewed from the other direction.
Things Elohcin said to/about Matt:
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I don't think Matt is likely to be a team mate of Elohcin. It's clear that he was really getting on her nerves and I think that's probably because she didn't understand why he was correctly suspecting her. She continually belittled his suspicion by reducing it to "namecalling" or pretending he had no explanations -- things that are demonstrably false.
Incoming big spoiler
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Things Elohcin said to/about Matt:
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I don't think Matt is likely to be a team mate of Elohcin. It's clear that he was really getting on her nerves and I think that's probably because she didn't understand why he was correctly suspecting her. She continually belittled his suspicion by reducing it to "namecalling" or pretending he had no explanations -- things that are demonstrably false.
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Re: Transistor [Night 2]
3J - I mistakenly hounded Illy for days in "Downton" Mafia because of an initial ping I had on her having btsc. I mistakenly took "btsc = bad" when in her case, in that particular game, it wasn't.
Short story. I was wrong on her being bad. I was 100% correct on her having btsc.
Elo and Illy BOTH, in this game, discredited my instincts by saying how wrong I was in Downton, without acknowledging that I was in fact, kinda right. When I brought this up, neither of them responded and Illy was shortly replaced by Mac thereafter.
Question - Why say I have bad instincts (which, to be fair, I absolutely do) while citing a game in which I was actually pretty much right on the money (with the exception of alignment) ?
Derp.
Short story. I was wrong on her being bad. I was 100% correct on her having btsc.
Elo and Illy BOTH, in this game, discredited my instincts by saying how wrong I was in Downton, without acknowledging that I was in fact, kinda right. When I brought this up, neither of them responded and Illy was shortly replaced by Mac thereafter.
Question - Why say I have bad instincts (which, to be fair, I absolutely do) while citing a game in which I was actually pretty much right on the money (with the exception of alignment) ?
Derp.