Battlestar Galactica Mafia - GAME OVER

[insertnamehere]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

[Epignosis]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Sure:

Spoiler: show

Lynch JaggedJimmyJay.

[rabbit8]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Have fun. Most of it's nonsense. You can almost skip the first two days IMO.

[S~V~S]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Up your PPP count; I only have 108 pages. Seems more manageable.

Linki, Skim the avatars on each new page before reading it, if a page is all the same two people,feel free skim those pages.We have had a lot of that in this game. Otherwise, this game can't really be cliff noted.

[Ricochet]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Have fun. Most of it's nonsense. You can almost skip the first two days IMO.

Yes skip Day Two when
we caught likely bad Cylon;
nothing to grasp there.

linki: I can try
cliff noting in haiku if
I earn night immune.

[rabbit8]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Have fun. Most of it's nonsense. You can almost skip the first two days IMO.

Yes skip Day Two when
we caught likely bad Cylon;
nothing to grasp there.

linki: I can try
cliff noting in haiku if
I earn night immune.

Reading comprehension......

[Glorfindel]

I am definitely motivated, my friend. As poor as the chances are of us winning this, I won't give up! And no, if you'd bothered to read my last few posts at all, I NEVER said that I suspected G-Man of being Mafia. In fact, I said the opposite and if you don't believe me, look back a couple of posts to the GTH reads that I did for 3J and you'll see there in black and white that I judged him to be Town. The answer I gave to 3J's hypothetical question was unrelated to his alignment - that's why it was posted in green font. It seems you make a habit out of misrepresenting my comments (like you did last game) so I'm frankly hardly surprised at your new voting intention.

Town has low chances
To win? *takes a look at the
lynch results* Huh. Why?

I want to know why Glorfindel is so gloomy at this stage. What facts indicate poor chances of a civilian win?

Not sure if you're serious...?

Have yopu not read anything I've said in this game?

You say you suspect 3J. He says that your reads are generally very reliable. I find that he exudes very strong Town vibes. What am I to conclude from this Epi?

[Matt]

Back!

As for Wilgy, if he is confirmed civ or something now, okey dokey, I won't vote that way.

Marmot where are you voting?

Strangely enough, even though I think it's possible he could be pulling some kind of reverse reverse (yes double) psychology on me, I think he may be the civviest player in the land, and I believe I will follow his vote.

Or I'll just vote Rico.

[Epignosis]

I am definitely motivated, my friend. As poor as the chances are of us winning this, I won't give up! And no, if you'd bothered to read my last few posts at all, I NEVER said that I suspected G-Man of being Mafia. In fact, I said the opposite and if you don't believe me, look back a couple of posts to the GTH reads that I did for 3J and you'll see there in black and white that I judged him to be Town. The answer I gave to 3J's hypothetical question was unrelated to his alignment - that's why it was posted in green font. It seems you make a habit out of misrepresenting my comments (like you did last game) so I'm frankly hardly surprised at your new voting intention.

Town has low chances
To win? *takes a look at the
lynch results* Huh. Why?

I want to know why Glorfindel is so gloomy at this stage. What facts indicate poor chances of a civilian win?

Not sure if you're serious...?

Have yopu not read anything I've said in this game?

You say you suspect 3J. He says that your reads are generally very reliable. I find that he exudes very strong Town vibes. What am I to conclude from this Epi?

I've read everything you have posted and I am serious.

Please answer the question. What facts indicate poor chances of a civilian win?

[Ricochet]

I am definitely motivated, my friend. As poor as the chances are of us winning this, I won't give up! And no, if you'd bothered to read my last few posts at all, I NEVER said that I suspected G-Man of being Mafia. In fact, I said the opposite and if you don't believe me, look back a couple of posts to the GTH reads that I did for 3J and you'll see there in black and white that I judged him to be Town. The answer I gave to 3J's hypothetical question was unrelated to his alignment - that's why it was posted in green font. It seems you make a habit out of misrepresenting my comments (like you did last game) so I'm frankly hardly surprised at your new voting intention.

Town has low chances
To win? *takes a look at the
lynch results* Huh. Why?

I want to know why Glorfindel is so gloomy at this stage. What facts indicate poor chances of a civilian win?

Not sure if you're serious...?

Have yopu not read anything I've said in this game?

You say you suspect 3J. He says that your reads are generally very reliable. I find that he exudes very strong Town vibes. What am I to conclude from this Epi?

Could you please answer
even if you may have said
it in the past?

Back!

As for Wilgy, if he is confirmed civ or something now, okey dokey, I won't vote that way.

Marmot where are you voting?

Strangely enough, even though I think it's possible he could be pulling some kind of reverse reverse (yes double) psychology on me, I think he may be the civviest player in the land, and I believe I will follow his vote.

Or I'll just vote Rico.

Why?

[Ricochet]

There's quite a bit
of "follow Marsh" in Matt's
posts that I notice.

I'm seriously inclined to follow Marmot's joke vote again. No offense Zeebs.

Let's all follow the Marmot!

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

Next day phase, we all need to follow Marmot and claim Cylon. Genius!

[Matt]

Your insistence that claiming does no good for the civilians disturbs me. Plus other reasons I've long since forgotten about since waaaay before I fell behind. But yeah, mostly the claiming thing. Have you claimed yet?

linki - Lol. I like Marmot, so sue me. Plus I think someone's trying to get me to pounce on him, so I will do the opposite and make lovey dovey eyes in his direction instead.

[Ricochet]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Have fun. Most of it's nonsense. You can almost skip the first two days IMO.

Yes skip Day Two when
we caught likely bad Cylon;
nothing to grasp there.

linki: I can try
cliff noting in haiku if
I earn night immune.

Reading comprehension......

Ok your take then from
"almost" skippable Day Two
prime suspects, go.

Your insistence that claiming does no good for the civilians disturbs me. Plus other reasons I've long since forgotten about since waaaay before I fell behind. But yeah, mostly the claiming thing. Have you claimed yet?

linki - Lol. I like Marmot, so sue me. Plus I think someone's trying to get me to pounce on him, so I will do the opposite and make lovey dovey eyes in his direction instead.

Nope.

[rabbit8]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Have fun. Most of it's nonsense. You can almost skip the first two days IMO.

Yes skip Day Two when
we caught likely bad Cylon;
nothing to grasp there.

linki: I can try
cliff noting in haiku if
I earn night immune.

Reading comprehension......

Ok your take then from
"almost" skippable Day Two
prime suspects, go.

Again

Reading comprehension......

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Again

Reading comprehension......

Instead of giving Rico this useless snark, perhaps you could answer his prompt.

[Ricochet]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Have fun. Most of it's nonsense. You can almost skip the first two days IMO.

Yes skip Day Two when
we caught likely bad Cylon;
nothing to grasp there.

linki: I can try
cliff noting in haiku if
I earn night immune.

Reading comprehension......

Ok your take then from
"almost" skippable Day Two
prime suspects, go.

Again

Reading comprehension......

Uh no prime suspects
based on that Day lynch result
thanks kay go go go

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Glorfindel, when I asked you who you'd lynch above all others this day phase, I meant for you to provide a name that you suspect. Whatever you might think of G-Man's accusations, if you don't suspect him then I don't have any use for that.

Who among your suspects would you lynch?

It shouldn't be this difficult to get an answer.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Back!

As for Wilgy, if he is confirmed civ or something now, okey dokey, I won't vote that way.

Marmot where are you voting?

Strangely enough, even though I think it's possible he could be pulling some kind of reverse reverse (yes double) psychology on me, I think he may be the civviest player in the land, and I believe I will follow his vote.

Or I'll just vote Rico.

What gives you the impression that Wilgy may or may not be a confirmed civilian?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@JJJ, where it started for BR is when Epi was lynched, I said something like, "OMG he's a rezzed baddie?" and she said, rather sharply, "Why did you say that?". That remark of mine pinged her, and tbh her quick question is the main reason I think she is a civ, and have thought so all game. Bad BR would never do that imo. That was Day 1 that we lunched Epi, right? So she has had at least some level of suspicion of me pretty much the entire game. It just came to a head during the Cain thing.

Linki, why shouldn't Epi keep his claim?

I'm open to your alternative perspective, but I don't understand what you're saying really. Why is BR asking you "Why did you say that" indicative of anything about her to you?

[Dex]

What gives you the impression that Wilgy may or may not be a confirmed civilian?

I asked him not to vote for Wilgy until he was caught up, I think he took it from that. But really I just wanted him to read my case and all the discussion so he can decide for himself.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You say you suspect 3J. He says that your reads are generally very reliable. I find that he exudes very strong Town vibes. What am I to conclude from this Epi?

I'm going to clarify this -- when I say I think Epi's reads at "95% reliable", I don't mean I think his reads are 95% likely to be accurate. I don't think anyone on the Internet is that good. I mean that when he's a good guy, I think the reads he provides will nearly always come from a thought process that I find logical or sensible even if I don't always agree with the conclusion.

[Glorfindel]

You say you suspect 3J. He says that your reads are generally very reliable. I find that he exudes very strong Town vibes. What am I to conclude from this Epi?

I'm going to clarify this -- when I say I think Epi's reads at "95% reliable", I don't mean I think his reads are 95% likely to be accurate. I don't think anyone on the Internet is that good. I mean that when he's a good guy, I think the reads he provides will nearly always come from a thought process that I find logical or sensible even if I don't always agree with the conclusion.

Cool. Thank you for clarifying

[rabbit8]

so there's like 160 pages here

would anyone be super nice and give me some basic cliffnotes?

Have fun. Most of it's nonsense. You can almost skip the first two days IMO.

Yes skip Day Two when
we caught likely bad Cylon;
nothing to grasp there.

linki: I can try
cliff noting in haiku if
I earn night immune.

Reading comprehension......

Ok your take then from
"almost" skippable Day Two
prime suspects, go.

Again

Reading comprehension......

Uh no prime suspects
based on that Day lynch result
thanks kay go go go

Ignorance is bliss, I guess....

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I appreciate the feedback some people have given me on my BR ISO. However, that feedback has been focused around her read on S~V~S, which wasn't the most significant finding. I think her worst look is actually the one that many might think is her best look (her part in the nutella lynch and the ensuing fallout):

Spoiler: show

LA's latest posts are not feeling so good to me. She is starting to feel cornered baddie.

Interesting LoRab. I see you jumped a vote on LC and have stuck around to throw out this opinion. Is this to cover your ass if LA flips something bad or murdering like? (I'm sorry, I'm not getting the whole concept yet)

Just something to watch. Just know I am.

Black Rock was one of the most vocal supporters of the idea that LoRab and nutella were linked (LA = nutella). The reason I bring this post back is that it's actually the very first time BR acknowledged the existence of nutella in this game. nutella was being discussed as a suspect for much of the phase in the wake of my big case, and BR didn't involve herself in that discussion until this moment. At this point there's a good argument to be made that LoRab was a good-aligned cylon and not associated with nutella, and I think in hindsight this post looks more like a smear than a genuine read.

I think that's an important thing, because the best thing going for BR in my mind before this point was her part in lynching nutella. But now I have a reason to question that. She did contribute a vote to that lynch, but prior to this accusation of LoRab she didn't contribute any words to that lynch. I think that looks like BR biding her time while the going gets tougher for nutella until it's clearer she is on the chopping block and a scapegoat link is needed.

Spoiler: show

Epi and Black Rock, follow Marmot!

No,vote Nutella

Well for my LoRab suspicion to work it would mean Nutella was her partner in murdering.

BR's suspicion of LoRab on Day 2 entirely hinged on her relationship with nutella, and yet BR only seemed interested in voting for nutella after being prodded so -- when nutella would have to be bad anyway for BR's beef with LoRab to even make sense. I don't think it's a great look.

Spoiler: show

BR - I don't think epi is bad eiher -where is your vote leaning?

Likely Nutella at this point but I really would like to vote for LoRab.

BR's vote for nutella was a begrudging one. She wanted to lynch LoRab. LoRab being a baddie was contingent upon nutella being a baddie in the case BR presented though. This does not make sense to me.

When LoRab actually was lynched, BR paid her no attention except to place a vote for her. LoRab made numerous efforts to explain and defend herself, and BR did not address any of that. This looks like opportunism.

Thoughts?

[Marmot]

So rabbit, are you declaring you're Cylon and claiming you're Cylon?

So MM, are you going to.......

Yes, I think I'm going to.......

[Marmot]

Yes, I did. You said he was the opposite of who you interpreted I thought he was. When I was still talking about him, I thought he was Cavil. Then I had to stop talking about him. Then someone pointed out he could be Cain. I used what I thought and what I knew and questioned it myself, and decided he had to either be Cain or Cavil. Only, as I said, I couldn't talk about it because everyone will say "why's that" and I'll say "I can't say" and everyone will say "oh, that must make you a mafia!" like Wigly, Matt and Dex did. (Which is stupid because Matt knows exactly what I'm talking about which makes me think that Matt is mafia now seeing that LC was Cain not Cavil. II already think he and Wigly have BTSC and I know wigly's a bad mafia so it makes sense. )

Ummmm what?

I have no idea what you're talking about. You insisting that I do and then painting me as bad because I don't makes me even more wary of you.

Can we lynch OA at some point?

Marshmellow, what do you think of OA?

I trust OA, and am not sure if I can detail why I trust her.

Something something insanification nation.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ignorance is bliss, I guess....

Answer the bloody question, guy.

[rabbit8]

Ignorance is bliss, I guess....

Answer the bloody question, guy.

Yes, boss.

[Glorfindel]

I am definitely motivated, my friend. As poor as the chances are of us winning this, I won't give up! And no, if you'd bothered to read my last few posts at all, I NEVER said that I suspected G-Man of being Mafia. In fact, I said the opposite and if you don't believe me, look back a couple of posts to the GTH reads that I did for 3J and you'll see there in black and white that I judged him to be Town. The answer I gave to 3J's hypothetical question was unrelated to his alignment - that's why it was posted in green font. It seems you make a habit out of misrepresenting my comments (like you did last game) so I'm frankly hardly surprised at your new voting intention.

Town has low chances
To win? *takes a look at the
lynch results* Huh. Why?

I want to know why Glorfindel is so gloomy at this stage. What facts indicate poor chances of a civilian win?

Not sure if you're serious...?

Have yopu not read anything I've said in this game?

You say you suspect 3J. He says that your reads are generally very reliable. I find that he exudes very strong Town vibes. What am I to conclude from this Epi?

I've read everything you have posted and I am serious.

Please answer the question. What facts indicate poor chances of a civilian win?

Then please read again my posts over the past 24 hours or so. If what I said last night is true, please tell me where there is any room for optimism? Take a look at the players we've lost so far - where is there hope among that list? LoRab? I don't believe so. Nutella? Perhaps, but I've no great confidence they were Mafia. On top of that, it seems to me that we maybe at a 'tipping point' this Day phase that could easily plunge us into a mire further mislynches fueled by misinformation and lies. I'm normally pretty optimistic as a rule, I still have hope this can turn out right but I still think things aren't looking great for us.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ignorance is bliss, I guess....

Answer the bloody question, guy.

Yes, boss.

There's no way you're a civilian.

[Marmot]

Your insistence that claiming does no good for the civilians disturbs me. Plus other reasons I've long since forgotten about since waaaay before I fell behind. But yeah, mostly the claiming thing. Have you claimed yet?

linki - Lol. I like Marmot, so sue me. Plus I think someone's trying to get me to pounce on him, so I will do the opposite and make lovey dovey eyes in his direction instead.

But really, why you follow my votes?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Then please read again my posts over the past 24 hours or so. If what I said last night is true, please tell me where there is any room for optimism? Take a look at the players we've lost so far - where is there hope among that list? LoRab? I don't believe so. Nutella? Perhaps, but I've no great confidence they were Mafia. On top of that, it seems to me that we maybe at a 'tipping point' this Day phase that could easily plunge us into a mire further mislynches fueled by misinformation and lies. I'm normally pretty optimistic as a rule, I still have hope this can turn out right but I still think things aren't looking great for us.

What other mislynches do you fear might follow this day phase?

[Ricochet]

Ignorance is bliss, I guess....

You have a bea case
a hunt on SVS and
talk about cylon act

How do these relate
to Day Two links? Maybe
a vote on you will help.

[Matt]

Ah but you need to go back and read how I replied to that post of BRs you quoted, Rabbit. I DID think all cylons were bad at the start of the game. I never saw this show. No one made any mention of potential civ cylons until after Epi was rezzed that I can recall.

I did.

Specifically listed Athena too, as I recall.

3J asked why I believe Wilgy is a confirmed civvie...I don't. But Dex (and maybe someone else, I think it was Rico who said I was on drugs) asked me to read the rest of the thread before I do that, so I thought maybe he became one.

Derp.

[Marmot]

Vote sig

That puts him at 1 vote fwiw.

[Glorfindel]

Glorfindel, when I asked you who you'd lynch above all others this day phase, I meant for you to provide a name that you suspect. Whatever you might think of G-Man's accusations, if you don't suspect him then I don't have any use for that.

Who among your suspects would you lynch?

It shouldn't be this difficult to get an answer.

I'm sorry 3J. Youi asked me a question that I took at face value and answered in all honesty. I'm sincerely sorry, I don't read minds and assuming what you wanted is beyond my humble deductive powers.

In answer to your question above, if I'd known what you were asking at the time, I'd have said Black Rock for the reasons that I stated at the time. Given subsequent posts however, I'm increasing inclined to be suspicious of Polo. I'm really not feeling the push against either yourself or Ricochet.

I'll pop back later, duty calls...

[Ricochet]

Glorfindel motion
that nutella might not be
on the bad faction

reminds of sketchy read
of a player post nutlynch.
Oh right: Glorfindel.

We've had one bad
mislynch by my account, since
Epig survived his,

and Cain Con appeared
rogue at least in his design.
LoRab under debate.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My preferred lynch would be among sig, Black Rock, and bea. I also find myself less trusting of rabbit8 than I was of Zebra.

[Epignosis]

I am definitely motivated, my friend. As poor as the chances are of us winning this, I won't give up! And no, if you'd bothered to read my last few posts at all, I NEVER said that I suspected G-Man of being Mafia. In fact, I said the opposite and if you don't believe me, look back a couple of posts to the GTH reads that I did for 3J and you'll see there in black and white that I judged him to be Town. The answer I gave to 3J's hypothetical question was unrelated to his alignment - that's why it was posted in green font. It seems you make a habit out of misrepresenting my comments (like you did last game) so I'm frankly hardly surprised at your new voting intention.

Town has low chances
To win? *takes a look at the
lynch results* Huh. Why?

I want to know why Glorfindel is so gloomy at this stage. What facts indicate poor chances of a civilian win?

Not sure if you're serious...?

Have yopu not read anything I've said in this game?

You say you suspect 3J. He says that your reads are generally very reliable. I find that he exudes very strong Town vibes. What am I to conclude from this Epi?

I've read everything you have posted and I am serious.

Please answer the question. What facts indicate poor chances of a civilian win?

Then please read again my posts over the past 24 hours or so. If what I said last night is true, please tell me where there is any room for optimism? Take a look at the players we've lost so far - where is there hope among that list? LoRab? I don't believe so. Nutella? Perhaps, but I've no great confidence they were Mafia. On top of that, it seems to me that we maybe at a 'tipping point' this Day phase that could easily plunge us into a mire further mislynches fueled by misinformation and lies. I'm normally pretty optimistic as a rule, I still have hope this can turn out right but I still think things aren't looking great for us.

You didn't offer me facts. You gave me opinions and perceptions.

Fine. I'll work with that. What roles are bad?

[rabbit8]

Ignorance is bliss, I guess....

You have a bea case
a hunt on SVS and
talk about cylon act

How do these relate
to Day Two links? Maybe
a vote on you will help.

My preferred lynch would be among sig, Black Rock, and bea. I also find myself less trusting of rabbit8 than I was of Zebra.

Because I think you're bad. Noted.

[DrWilgy]

So say we all.

D12

I thought we already sunk all the Cylon Battleships?

I immediately saw this post from Vomps and started laughing at his silliness.

And I'm wondering why SVS responded to it so seriously. Hrm.

SVS is actually one of my topsie civ reads based on "other stuff" but her game thread speak has given me the heebies.

Also, I have to take a break for about an hour pretty soon, then I'll only have an hour left or so after that before work, and I'm still about 8 or 9 pages behind.

I'm trying!

Right now, I'm leaning on a Wilgy vote because I'm not a fan that he didn't claim until the bitter end of the last day phase. Also, did he officially claim that day? Epi said something about "10:02 eastern", I'm still not entirely sure if Wilgy made his claim before or after the phase was over.

That's a reason I can't defend against Matt. I just thought Golden counted my claim. If I wasn't granted the survival through claim, it was someone else who kept me alive. I did find it odd that you were just ok with my being a confirmed civ. I don't think by any means I am confirmed. Matt, what do you think about my thoughts and posts? I saw that we are riding the same wave on wanting to lynch OA.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Because I think you're bad. Noted.

Do you? News to me.

I don't give a flying eff what your claimed read is on me.

[rabbit8]

Because I think you're bad. Noted.

Do you? News to me.

I don't give a flying eff what your claimed read is on me.

Reading posts would clear things up for you.

[Epignosis]

If I had another vote, it'd be on Glorfindel.

If I had a request, it would be that people would pay more attention to DrumBeats' posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Because I think you're bad. Noted.

Do you? News to me.

I don't give a flying eff what your claimed read is on me.

Reading posts would clear things up for you.

Your behavior in response to Ricochet is the opposite of pro-town. There's no reason for it. At best it's worthless sneering and at worst it's a refusal to answer a valid prompt.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I had another vote, it'd be on Glorfindel.

If I had a request, it would be that people would pay more attention to DrumBeats' posts.

I don't agree with your read on DrumBeats.

[Matt]

So wow, I've been super busy and still haven't read anything except LC's flip. Going to try and catch up tonight, starting now.

President Roslin (or whoever at this point), I had an idea for a law! Don't know if Goldama would allow it but something like...

The True Identity Act

All players who have been lynched or will be lynched shall have their faction revealed in the form of civilian, mafia, or independent.

Or heck, you're the President so why not go for the NK'd too?

I dunno if you can make a law for dead people but hey thought I'd share! Off to catch up now...

Almost all the way caught up! Don't know if this has been commented on, but I think it's a super idea personally.

Good thinkin' Matt!

[Epignosis]

If I had another vote, it'd be on Glorfindel.

If I had a request, it would be that people would pay more attention to DrumBeats' posts.

I don't agree with your read on DrumBeats.

You don't agree with me? That surprises me.

Why not?

[Ricochet]

Lynch options right now
are sig or rabbit*, yet I
might just re-read Glor.

*Replaced a do/say-
the-frak-I-want player to
push the same pedal.

[rabbit8]

Because I think you're bad. Noted.

Do you? News to me.

I don't give a flying eff what your claimed read is on me.

Reading posts would clear things up for you.

Your behavior in response to Ricochet is the opposite of pro-town. There's no reason for it. At best it's worthless sneering and at worst it's a refusal to answer a valid prompt.

The town win a lot of games on this site?