JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DrumBeats wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Later Scotty.
Snapshot was revealed as a role checker. My immediate reaction to that is it's not a good look for DrumBeats. My perception that Snaphot's ISO on DrumBeats didn't seem entirely sincere could be resolved by the role check -- if Snapshot knows DB is bad, then he/she/it has to convey it somehow, and a big ISO is an ideal method.
Or again, the obvious answer: I am threatening Process elements, so the Process wants me dead. And you also seem to want me dead a bit too much as well. You keep trying to build a case on me based solely on the actions of an entity we know is 100% anti-everyone.
Also, if Snapshot did check me, what reasoning would it have for saying I am 70% mafia and 30% Process. Should Snapshot somehow be an outside player trying to help who also checked me, it would express certainty that I was either mafia or process not both. I'm really seeing you as the Process right now.
I would also like to see MP answer to the accusations against him when he gets the chance. My vote will likely fall on one of you two.
I don't think it's an obvious answer. If the Process is solely built on each of its elements, all of which serve its interests alone, then it is the most overpowered role I've ever seen. That would mean that whichever player is the Process would have the capacity to place numerous votes in most day phases, protect itself, role check, and who knows what else. Combine that with the diversity of the behavior exhibited by these elements, and I think there's plenty of reason to think that the Process elements might not be so clear-cut.
It wouldn't be though when the entire game is also against them. If played cautiously as I suggested, this possible OP role would have been cut down to a vanilla who needs to be last man standing, which is way UP. We know for sure that regardless of what these roles are controlled by, they are all aligned with the Process. The fact that the OP says that "The Process manifests itself in different ways" before listing all of these makes me readily believe that all are controlled by the process.
Many hosts would interpret what you suggest as an infodump (to express total certainty in a read that is derived from role information), and that is against the rules and generally frowned upon in this culture. A nearly identical numeral scenario actual arose in the Turf Wars game in which Sloonei knew himself to be a Don but still pretended to think two other players had a "3 out of 10" chance of being a don -- he knew that to be impossible, but he was avoiding an illegal infodump. In this example we can even observe that Snapshot did call you 100% bad -- he/she just didn't specify with certainty which bad.
Ah, that sort of makes sense I suppose. I still think using percents though would be a terrible approach if a check was the basis. Then it could be a gut read type scenario that could be pushed a la "You just have to trust me"
I don't know with certainty whether Snapshot role checked you, but I do think there's a clear, objective reason to suspect that it happened. I don't think there's a clear, objective reason to say Snapshot is lying about you solely for the benefit of whichever player is the Process. There's a subjective reason to think so, but that's not as strong.
We know with certainty that the Process needs to be last man standing. We have a clear, objective reason to suspect that Snapshot is aligned with the Process. Therefore there is a clear, objective reason as to why Snapshot would be acting in benefit of the Process.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DrumBeats wrote:DrumBeats wrote:JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Later Scotty.
Snapshot was revealed as a role checker. My immediate reaction to that is it's not a good look for DrumBeats. My perception that Snaphot's ISO on DrumBeats didn't seem entirely sincere could be resolved by the role check -- if Snapshot knows DB is bad, then he/she/it has to convey it somehow, and a big ISO is an ideal method.
Also just noticed this. Show me where you thought it wasn't sincere. You agreed with the Snapshot's ISO wholeheartedly iirc.
Scratch that, I looked back and found it in the ISO, my bad.
Okay, you've corrected yourself, now what does that say to you about my motivations? You've called me the Process and threatened to vote for me based upon two assertions that are abjectly false (that I have tried to "build a case on you based upon Snapshot's ISO" prior to its role reveal and that I agreed with that ISO). I'd actually just spent time in the night phase explaining to Scotty why I had a
civilian read on you. Your desire to deflect a valid concern back upon me based upon content
that doesn't exist in my posts is a bad look too.
The first one is completely just my bad. Your first post after the ISO was what I was thinking, in which you pushed it's legitimacy by stressing it not be ignored, which honestly as the ISO as a whole is a barrel of WIFOM, I misinterpreted that at first as agreeing with it. Second part I have bolded and underlined where you tried to subtly paint me bad for Snapshot's ISO, which you previously denied legitimacy. A bit of inconsistent thought
Process (ba dum tsss) but for now I will let it slide. I still have a hankering you could be the Process, but it isn't anything worth pushing until all of the mafia are gone. If I were to percent it out it would be 70/25/5 for civ/process/mafia right now.
I am still intrigued to hear MP's response to the nutella argument. I likely won't have time to make a large post tomorrow, but I will look back, read, and make a quick vote.
Agleam is likely not the Process due to his most recent post. He derped on which element died, thinking we needed to look at Snapshot as the dead element. The real Process would likely be more aware of which of its elements were currently living.
DFaraday, MacDougall, Llama, and agleam I would like at least 2 town reads and 2 scum reads from each of you, you guys have been coasting imo.