Transistor [ENDGAME]

#1001

Voted for MP. Sorry, I'm out away from a computer and forgot about the game.

Ned Flanders · #1002

Voted Snapshot

Not going to make a difference at this point but I believe he/she to be aligned with the Process. Though it does pose a threat to the Camerata with it's role ability, I still think it's dangerous to keep around.

Anyone seen Luna?

#1003

Find the Camerata or The Process.

Poll ended at Wed Jun 01, 2016 9:21 pm

agleaminranks
0
No votes

Cell
0
No votes

Cheerleader
0
No votes

DFaraday
0
No votes

DrumBeats
1
MovingPictures07 (9)
7%

JaggedJimmyJay
2
MacDougall (3), thellama73 (8)
13%

kneel4justice
0
No votes

Luna
0
No votes

MacDougall
1
Cheerleader (4)
7%

MovingPictures07
5
DrumBeats (10), nijuukyugou (11), JaggedJimmyJay (12), Cell (13), kneel4justice (14)
33%

nijuukyugou
0
No votes

Snapshot
1
Man (15)
7%

thellama73
0
No votes

Fairview (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
5
Epignosis (1), juliets (2), a2thezebra (5), Scotty (6), Spacedaisy (7)
33%

Total votes : 15

#1004

Day 6 Ends: We All Become

"We all become the things we fear. The trick is to overcome that."

MovingPictures07has been lynched.

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It is now Night 6. You have 23 hours to submit your PMs and vote.

#1005

Fantastic.

I'll dive into the interactive reads when time permits.

#1006

I just got home from work/visiting my mom right now and forgot to send in a vote before I got too busy. I'm the worst.

I likely would have voted DB, so good work, MP voters. Although I have to say, Mac and Llama aren't acting very civ right now. I think JJJ and K4J are the only people I have town reads on right now. Maybe Ninja too.

Voting now to ensure I don't miss it.

#1007

fudge nuggets I meant to select the Dead option on the poll. Sorry Epi

#1008

Yesssss, Awesome!!!

I'll vote operator.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1009

We All Become is probably my favorite song from the soundtrack

The Spine and Paper Boats are definitely up there with it though

#1010

Here is a curly one..

After what Jamesthebob said at the end of the phase the only reason he had to vote for mp over me or llama was because he knew he was mafia and if he voted fot us he was votin town. He knows me well enough to be able to see the civ. He talkin boogers. That was a busserooni. Bank that.

Fyi Jay and Silent Film. The latter is MP I was saying they are maphia together. 1 down... JamesMcScum to go.

#1011

Voting Fetch.

Mafia, you should consider shooting an element tonight.

#1012

Thanks for the game, Epi!

I'm too busy to continue playing for a while here, so I'll be sure to see you all around the OT topics.

Go mafia.

#1013

Burn, MP, burn. Operator.

#1014

MacDougall wrote:Here is a curly one..

After what Jamesthebob said at the end of the phase the only reason he had to vote for mp over me or llama was because he knew he was mafia and if he voted fot us he was votin town. He knows me well enough to be able to see the civ. He talkin boogers. That was a busserooni. Bank that.

This is crap. That I voted for MP over you or llama should not be hard to understand given the progression of the day phase and the discussions I had fielded with DrumBeats and Snapshot, not to mention MP himself. That's not to mention the self-preservation necessity of voting for someone who'd be a likely lynch while I was tied for the lead in the tally. These are plainly visible factors that you've neglected to acknowledge because they don't fit the narrative you're trying to promote.

If you're not talking boogers, then articulate why you suspect me in clear terms instead of unsupported one-liner nonsense. I know MacDougall isn't always above playing a lazy game, but I am completely unwilling to accept that excuse in a late phase when the game is on the line. I struggle to believe that a Mac who genuinely suspects a JJJ with the game on the line is going to settle for this kind of non-effort to pursue a lynch. Just dropping a vote in the thread and saying "Go!" at this point in the game is not town behavior from anybody.

#1015

I'll vote Fetch.

#1016

Voting Badcell.

Ned Flanders · #1017

Bad cell is old news. How does it have four votes?

Pick Man!

#1018

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Here is a curly one..

After what Jamesthebob said at the end of the phase the only reason he had to vote for mp over me or llama was because he knew he was mafia and if he voted fot us he was votin town. He knows me well enough to be able to see the civ. He talkin boogers. That was a busserooni. Bank that.
This is crap. That I voted for MP over you or llama should not be hard to understand given the progression of the day phase and the discussions I had fielded with DrumBeats and Snapshot, not to mention MP himself. That's not to mention the self-preservation necessity of voting for someone who'd be a likely lynch while I was tied for the lead in the tally. These are plainly visible factors that you've neglected to acknowledge because they don't fit the narrative you're trying to promote.

If you're not talking boogers, then articulate why you suspect me in clear terms instead of unsupported one-liner nonsense. I know MacDougall isn't always above playing a lazy game, but I am completely unwilling to accept that excuse in a late phase when the game is on the line. I struggle to believe that a Mac who genuinely suspects a JJJ with the game on the line is going to settle for this kind of non-effort to pursue a lynch. Just dropping a vote in the thread and saying "Go!" at this point in the game is not town behavior from anybody.

Yes it is

#1019

It's almost like Mac wants to get lynched.

Jack Shephard · #1020

Bark!

dodo · #1021

#1022

DFaraday wrote:It's almost like Mac wants to get lynched.

How so?

#1023

Research the Process

Badcell
4
Scotty (4), MacDougall (8), nijuukyugou (12), thellama73 (13)
25%

Jerk
1
Luna (15)
6%

Fetch
2
DrumBeats (9), JaggedJimmyJay (11)
13%

Clucker
1
DFaraday (3)
6%

Man
1
Man (14)
6%

Operator
3
kneel4justice (6), agleaminranks (10), Cell (16)
19%

The Spine (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
4
Epignosis (1), sig (2), juliets (5), nutella (7)
25%

Total votes : 16

#1024

Night 6 Ends: Dormant

Click.
Click.

Dormant.

Good.

Snapshot has been killed by the Camerata.

It is now Day 7. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

#1025

Look at the OP:

The Process
The Process will manifest itself in multiple ways.
The Process itself is immune to Kill ( ), and must be lynched to die. If The Process is lynched, all residual processes will die.

This confirms that all Process elements are indeed aligned with the Process. Take that haters.

With one more process element down, I personally think we should pursue Creep today. That secret vote could mess with our lynches hard.

2 Stupid Dogs · #1026

DrumBeats wrote:Look at the OP:

The Process
The Process will manifest itself in multiple ways.
The Process itself is immune to Kill ( ), and must be lynched to die. If The Process is lynched, all residual processes will die.

This confirms that all Process elements are indeed aligned with the Process. Take that haters.

With one more process element down, I personally think we should pursue Creep today. That secret vote could mess with our lynches hard.

Or... I could just publicly tell my vote...

Look at you DrumBeats... Aren't you... Delicious... ?

This Confirms nothing... other than we are removed... perhaps we are removed upon winning... ?

Im... thinking... Perhaps...

...

Perhaps the Process uses absorbs us when we die... Takes us in to it's... body...

Continue to love this thought... the same... way continuously... over... and over... with your sweet embrace... May create a bigger problem than before...

#1027

Okay I quit my job so I am ready to kill you all

#1028

DrumBeats wrote:Look at the OP:

The Process
The Process will manifest itself in multiple ways.
The Process itself is immune to Kill ( ), and must be lynched to die. If The Process is lynched, all residual processes will die.

This confirms that all Process elements are indeed aligned with the Process. Take that haters.

With one more process element down, I personally think we should pursue Creep today. That secret vote could mess with our lynches hard.

I would agree that Creep seems like the most potentially threatening element in the poll. Secret or not, it has voting power and with the numbers having dwindled to this late game point that is a significant thing. I think we need to be mindful of the progressing numbers ratios, because at some point we have to lynch the Process itself as opposed to one of its elements.

Right now there are 8 players remaining, with a ratio of 5:2:1. If it's just elements included in the poll that are able to vote, then these are the voting powers of those included:

Cell - vote is worth 0
Creep - vote is worth 1, secret
Cheerleader - vote is worth 0
Man - unknown
Snapshot - vote is worth 1*** -- killed, but still in the poll?

Luna - ???

This would mean the elements have a minimum of one vote today and a maximum of three (depending upon whether Snapshot is supposed to be there and on what Man can do -- I guess it's also technically possible Man could have multiple votes, but sheesh). Add these to the vote placed by the Process itself, and it becomes incredibly formidable. This is why I've said it seems imbalanced if all of the elements are purely pro-Process and anti-everything else.

Process elements: if you're not what DrumBeats is saying you are, then we need you to give us as much content as you can in this phase. If you want to destroy the Process, then help us figure out who that is. I don't know what kinds of limitations you may or may not incur with your weird roles given the way you're all talking, but give us something.

With the 5:2:1 ratio, under normal circumstances town would be able to afford one mislynch, it's plausible for that to be increased in this circumstance with these rogue votes in play. I wouldn't say it's an immediate priority to lynch the player that is the Process, but since we don't know how the baddies are going to handle their kills we need to be conscious of it and just as concerned with figuring out who it is as we are the Camerata. I have an idea to hunt that I'll employ later -- I think the night polls might be helpful in isolating Process candidates.

***Epignosis: If you're able to say, is Snapshot meant to be included in today's lynch poll, or is that an error?

#1029

Another Report on Errors

In the wake of a recent report, we'd like to acknowledge that certain poll choices were either omitted or inadvertently included. We would like to apologize and point out that we do have a team working to correct these issues moving forward before any polls go public. Thank you for your understanding.

Errors made: 3

Comment? >_

#1030

Things MovingPictures07 said to/about agleaminranks:

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I think this is crazy interesting. If we all decided to work together, civ and scum, and get rid of the process by voting his element each day, we could rid ourselves of him completely (or at least make him vanilla) so we don't have to deal with him at all really.
How much commitment would you be willing to offer to this notion of consistently lynching Process terms rather than players? You seem to be fully on board in your language here without must hesitance or consideration, which is a curious thing in the face of any suggestion that town and baddies openly coordinate on anything.
Elohcin, I don't think this is the right strategy to take. I'm thinking the Process is a single lynchable person with formes. I'll explain in a bit.

Catching up, DrumBeats, I am extremely against this idea of the scum and the civilians secretly teaming up. Roles are scarce but given that it's a side mission it's probably safe to assume that mafia has some nightkill ability. What the hell is there in the promise of not killing civilians? Ring of Gyges, folks. Even if given the opportunity to act in unison with the whole group, they have the option of completely screwing over the civilians with a nightkill from the anonymity of this arrangement. Civs could pretty easily be getting themselves into a bind. It sounds like an inherently bad situation where the civilians are going to get the short end of the stick.

Also, thoughts re: Cell. So, Cheerleader won the poll yesterday is my guess. Host says the Process will manifest itself in many ways. I'm guessing the Process is manifest in the Cheerleader form now, and it has that ability, and this is why it was revealed.
The Cheerleader role also specifies that it can protect a Process element from being nightkilled. And here Cell shows up in the daily lynch section.
It seems most likely that possibly the Process is either able to change elements on a daily basis and this will be what reveals the role, is my guess.
My original guess was that perhaps by voting the element it would force the Process to change to that element, but given that the Cheerleader role mentions nightkill protection from elements, they're capable of being killed, and this would then prevent the Process from becoming that element. So, we have one element on the lynch list which we could eliminate. But I wonder why Cell specifically shows up, versus other elements, or elements as a whole. Something to do with the Process's selection, or Host's discrimination? Maybe it's what element the Process is planning on taking tomorrow?

So, tl;dr, I think the elements are formes that the Process takes, rather than someone being behind it, as someone speculated earlier (don't remember who at the moment, sorry). I think we can vote to kill the element to prevent the Process from taking that forme later, but the Process is still someone out there amongst our ranks. Given that we don't know what the hell the role does and if this is true we're lynching essentially nobody, it's giving the civilians fewer opportunities to nab a baddie early on. In a bigger game I would want to focus more on preserving civilian life without eliminating indiscriminately, but I don't think we have that luxury here. Gotta get on the hunt, or the civs are in trouble. Look at Barry Lyndon.

I propose we skip the Cell voting for now. Focus on baddy hunting. Right now, the Process has a defensive element and is less able to do anything serious. This is the moment to strike.

Initial reads on the few actives on here have been pretty good. I can follow up more on that if anyone wants. DrumBeat's post about strategy seems to favor the baddies but it only strikes me as marginally pingy. I would be tempted to vote for them, but it's a little too early to have more than just a sinking suspicion on little evidence. Elohcin glomming on to that strategy might be something of note too.
Good thoughts here, thanks for your contributions regarding The Process. I'm inclined to agree.

So, just so I understand you correctly regarding your reads: You're town reading "the few actives" (who is that exactly?) and you have mafia reads on Elo and DrumBeats for their thoughts on the proposal but minor ones, yeah?

What do you make of anyone else, anything?

MP gives agleam positive feedback for his commentary on the Process, and throws out an idle prod to expand on his town reads.

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A part of the huge null pile in MP's first rainbow.

Cyan: This is a rather blatant waffle, as is anything by definition that begins with "I'm really torn...". This might be of relative significance in that MP's negative commentary focused upon his treatment of the one confirmed baddie (Elohcin) alongside DB. It's hard to say, but my inclination is to think that MP is softly suggesting that agleam was smearing easy targets, which could itself be a smear. That'd be a decent look for agleam.

Still in the null pile in the second rainbow.

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Subscribes to one half-assertion made by agleam (that Zebra may have been insanified) and contests another (that sig's silence was suspicious).

Fallen into the stronger mafia reads in the next rainbow list

This rainbow came soon after I had provided an Elohcin/agleam interactive analysis that I thought was a bad look. Given that MP brazenly used my incorrect analysis of nutella as an excuse to put her in his baddie reads in a later rainbow, this might be a nice look for agleam. There's a similar failure in this case by MP to provide a clear progression to justify the agleam drop from yellow to red, which would be suggestive of opportunism.

Again on Day 3.

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This was the pointless agleam vote MP dropped during the nutella landslide lynch on Day 4. From some people this might concern me, as these kinds of isolated throwaway votes have more bus potential than the average vote -- but I also think MP understands that and would be willing to use it as a diversionary tactic. I'll call this null.

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MP's laborious exercise to explain his DB vote on Day 6 came alongside a claimed preference for someone in the Mac, agleam, or DF pile. I think this post might say more about DB than it says about those three.

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Things agleaminranks said to/about MovingPictures07:

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I'm not exactly sure what point agleam is trying to get across here. Generally though it'd seem he's suggesting MP might have framed him in some way, which I think would be a creative method of distancing. I don't know if I've seen that before.

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agleam's Day 2 vote went to MP, when Elohcin ended up lynched. This was also a sort of throwaway vote, since at this point Elohcin had 4 votes and was the clear favorite to end up lynched. That's a trend to be observed then -- each of these two placed throwaway votes on each other during separate baddie lynches. This should be tempered by the fact that MP's throwaway vote came during his own lynch though.

Lengthy response to MP defending himself

agleam was operating on a complex theory based on the silencing mechanic, and on Day 3 he softened in his suspicion of MP in light of the silencing Camerata role being revealed. This was the last time agleam made mention of MP in this game prior to his demise.

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I think there are some nice looks for agleam in here. I would say I suspect him less than I did prior to MP's death. The worst thing to be said probably relates to the throwaway votes they placed on one another, but I also think agleam put a lot of work into explaining why he voted the way he did.

2 Stupid Dogs · #1031

Jagged... Jimmy... Jay... You are... Cute...

Who would... Schlee... You consider to be under the radar?

#1032

Creep wrote:Jagged... Jimmy... Jay... You are... Cute...

Who would... Schlee... You consider to be under the radar?

I'd say llama has been more under the radar than others. Why do you ask?

2 Stupid Dogs · #1033

Also... In your count... You must consider... It's 5:5:2:1 and... Eenf eenf eenf...

It... Maybe... 10:2:1... 8:2:3... Maybe... Even... 5:7:1... I think it depends... On elements... I would like... To know more about... Us...

I think... WE SHOULD CULL THOSE WE HAVE LITTLE MEANS OF READING. LUNA, MAC, CELL, LLAMA, DF...

perhaps... The process lies in there...

I have no means... Of understanding them yet...

Linki - a survival based 3rd... party may be hesitant to show... Thier tentacles...

#1034

Things MovingPictures07 said to/about DFaraday:

In the huge null pile in the first rainbow before he had gotten involved

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MP indirectly craps on DF's suspicion of Zebra by providing a counterexample of a player who was "unhelpful" on Day 1 without getting crap for it.

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MP voiced exaggerated displeasure at the Zebra wagon and DF was the target of that in a couple cases. Given that this was a white-knighting job by MP in defense of Zebra, this might be a nice look for DFaraday -- he'd be taking the brunt of the blame for the wagon that could be blamed on numerous people.

Slight mafia read in the second rainbow list.

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MP definitely blamed DF for what happened to Zebra. Good look.

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Continues pushing that point on Night 1, this time with DF mentioned alongside two others.

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Subscribes to nutella's assertion that DF and Nero might be team mates. Nero wasn't bad. Could be opportunism by MP.

Red read in the Night 2 rainbow list

Again on Day 3

MP continued to include DF as a candidate to be a team mate of Elohcin into Day 5 and Day 6.

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Things DFaraday said to/about MovingPictures07:

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Explaining himself in response to the accusations related to the Zebra wagon.

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This might be the most curious moment for DFaraday. Nero suggested that MP was scapegoating people for the Zebra lynch, and the primary target of that would have been DFaraday himself. DFaraday defended MP in this case though and accused Nero of a "NO U".

DFaraday: please talk about this moment if you could. Try to revisit your mindset at this point in the game and add some clarity to your willingness to give MP the benefit of the doubt as he was criticizing you so harshly for the Zebra wagon.

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This "strong civ" read is a forgiving one considering the treatment DF received from MP.

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Decent enough look that DF made sure to include MP in the Day 6 discussions of Snapshot's role check power and what it might mean about the players he suspected.

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I think this is mostly of a positive reflection for DFaraday. I would like to hear more about the points highlighted in pink though.

#1035

Creep wrote:Also... In your count... You must consider... It's 5:5:2:1 and... Eenf eenf eenf...

It... Maybe... 10:2:1... 8:2:3... Maybe... Even... 5:7:1... I think it depends... On elements... I would like... To know more about... Us...

I think... WE SHOULD CULL THOSE WE HAVE LITTLE MEANS OF READING. LUNA, MAC, CELL, LLAMA, DF...

perhaps... The process lies in there...

I have no means... Of understanding them yet...

Linki - a survival based 3rd... party may be hesitant to show... Thier tentacles...

I'll see where I stand after I've finished all of my digging. Do you have a preferred lynch among the players/elements/things you listed?

2 Stupid Dogs · #1036

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Creep wrote:Also... In your count... You must consider... It's 5:5:2:1 and... Eenf eenf eenf...

It... Maybe... 10:2:1... 8:2:3... Maybe... Even... 5:7:1... I think it depends... On elements... I would like... To know more about... Us...

I think... WE SHOULD CULL THOSE WE HAVE LITTLE MEANS OF READING. LUNA, MAC, CELL, LLAMA, DF...

perhaps... The process lies in there...

I have no means... Of understanding them yet...

Linki - a survival based 3rd... party may be hesitant to show... Thier tentacles...
I'll see where I stand after I've finished all of my digging. Do you have a preferred lynch among the players/elements/things you listed?

Not... Yet...

If anything... I'm worried by Mac, Llama, and Luna in that... Tender... Order...

My knowledge is... Still limited y'know...

Let me see what delicate information... There is to gain... From... These beautiful soldiers...

#1037

Don't be worried about me. I am a friendly, but busy llama.

Good work on MP, guys. I love when we kill him and he's bad. Actually, I love anytime we kill him.

#1038

I need to look at a couple of people I've been neglecting today. Gleam and K4J, for example. I will report backwash my findings.

Oh, and JJJ? Stop pretending you aren't bad.

#1039

Hmm, not much there. The thing that strikes me about Gleam is an early defense of Eloh, and a solitary vote for MP during the Eloh wagon. Feels a little calculated.

K4J doesn't give me any reason to suspect foul play.

Faraday is notable for how he's avoided leaving conclusive clues one way or the other this whole game.

Right now, I would be up for a lynch of JJJ, Gleam, or Faraday. I think there's bound to be a baddie there somewhere. I'd love to get other people's reads on those three players.

Phoebe Buffay · #1040

its 2 bad my vote doesnt count cuz like I know who a baddie is

thellama73 wrote: Oh, and JJJ? Stop pretending you aren't bad.

lol and u do 2! So why wait?

JAGGEDJIMMYJAY

#1041

I just looked back at agleam's ISO, and I am not a fan. I've got to go in a sec, so I'm not going to pull quotes, but I highly encourage everyone to look back on it.

Agleam's opinions on Elo were all over the place. He consistently referred to Elo as a "helpful civilian" but would then say she pinged him, but provide a statement afterwards to nullify the suspicion such as "I'll give her the benefit of the doubt" or "Not sure what to make of it"

Then comes Agleam's interactions with MP, in which he suspects and votes him the day Elo was lynched, a safe time to place a distancing vote. However, in his next post, he nullifies his suspicion on MP by saying that the revelation of Royce's role makes it so he cannot hold onto the suspicion. The problem is iirc, Royce's role was revealed before Agleam voiced the suspicion anyway.

I still think lynching Creep is the best option for today, because if agleam ended up a mislynch and mafia kills a town memeber successfully we would be down to 3/2/1 and Process would have at least 3 votes (Creep, Badcell, Weed's negative vote) And that is not considering Clucker, Fetch, Man, Jerk, or whoever this Luna is. That would put the votes at 3/2/4 at minimum, which would mean that literally every non-Process player would have to agree to take out the Process. The more I think about it now the more dangerous the Process is at the moment.

Voting for Creep

Phoebe Buffay · #1042

DrumBeats wrote:I just looked back at agleam's ISO, and I am not a fan. I've got to go in a sec, so I'm not going to pull quotes, but I highly encourage everyone to look back on it.

Agleam's opinions on Elo were all over the place. He consistently referred to Elo as a "helpful civilian" but would then say she pinged him, but provide a statement afterwards to nullify the suspicion such as "I'll give her the benefit of the doubt" or "Not sure what to make of it"

Then comes Agleam's interactions with MP, in which he suspects and votes him the day Elo was lynched, a safe time to place a distancing vote. However, in his next post, he nullifies his suspicion on MP by saying that the revelation of Royce's role makes it so he cannot hold onto the suspicion. The problem is iirc, Royce's role was revealed before Agleam voiced the suspicion anyway.

I still think lynching Creep is the best option for today, because if agleam ended up a mislynch and mafia kills a town memeber successfully we would be down to 3/2/1 and Process would have at least 3 votes (Creep, Badcell, Weed's negative vote) And that is not considering Clucker, Fetch, Man, Jerk, or whoever this Luna is. That would put the votes at 3/2/4 at minimum, which would mean that literally every non-Process player would have to agree to take out the Process. The more I think about it now the more dangerous the Process is at the moment.

Voting for Creep

Heyyyyyyyy did it even occur to U that we aren't the immediate enemy here? U dont evn no what r motives R.

None of us know what Creep's motives R, that's true (lol he's always playing with matches N the parking lot)

My pal Snapshot called out 1 of that Movie Picture guy and u as bad. Was he wrong? We want those commaramadingdongs dead as much as u do lol

2 Stupid Dogs · #1043

Interesting... That a closed minded person has been allowed to live...

DrumBeats, any... Thoughts on my... JUICY theory?

Its... Ok baby... You sleep now... Sleep in the belly of your mother...

JJJ...

What... Are your thoughts on the process?

I don't think that you have... Spoken about it much... Yet... Heh... Heh heh heh... Are very mouthy... Such nice mouths...

Drum... Thoughts... On Man and Luna?

Mac... Cheerleader... What do you think of... Mee... Ee... And one... Another... ?

#1044

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Things MovingPictures07 said to/about DFaraday:

In the huge null pile in the first rainbow before he had gotten involved

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm not necessarily opposed to DB's idea, but I don't know if the baddies would actually go along with that, since it would require them to spend NKs on the Process but not the player behind it (or anyone else). We also don't know if DB's NK-then-lynch plan is even how to defeat the process.

As far as actual suspicions go, Zebra's weird behavior is striking me as very unhelpful and rather pingy. Matt a bit as well, but at least he's explained himself for the most part.
What about reywaS? His behavior has been the very definition of "very unhelpful"; he hasn't been here.
MP indirectly craps on DF's suspicion of Zebra by providing a counterexample of a player who was "unhelpful" on Day 1 without getting crap for it.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
agleaminranks wrote:Zebra has been posting nonsense that indicates nothing
It indicates that Zebra is playing in an unhelpful manner to the town, at least.

*votes Zebra*
So we're just going to policy lynch her and not discuss anything else?

I thought I brought meaningful content to the discussion regarding nutella, and literally NO ONE has commented on it, or anything else I've said about zebra. Why does it seem like no one gives a shit whether zebra is town or not?

This is nonsense.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:And no, I don't think Wilgy is being very helpful either, but he does this regardless of alignment. I don't recall Zebra ever behaving this way.
So because you interpret this behavior to be within zebra's meta, but Wilgy's is in within meta, then zebra's behavior being "weird" makes her worthy of your vote? How is that logical at all?

Weird DOES NOT EQUAL suspicious. Can anyone actually explain to me the mafia motivation behind zebra's actions?
MP voiced exaggerated displeasure at the Zebra wagon and DF was the target of that in a couple cases. Given that this was a white-knighting job by MP in defense of Zebra, this might be a nice look for DFaraday -- he'd be taking the brunt of the blame for the wagon that could be blamed on numerous people.

Slight mafia read in the second rainbow list.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: Most of you zebra voters have some explaining to do. Please respond to my concerns at your convenience.
Zebra was acting weird. That was pretty much the extent of my thought process.

I'd like to lynch DFaraday.
MP definitely blamed DF for what happened to Zebra. Good look.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:I'd like to talk more about DFaraday, Illyria, and Nerolunar, because I think their content and vote yesterday warrant it. Give me your opinions, people.

Which of the zebra voters look worse? Which look better? Why?

I have a hard time believing DF, Elo, Illy, and Nero are all bad, but it's mathematically a possibility (since the mafia team has 4 members). I want others' input; which of these people do you believe, if any, and why?
Continues pushing that point on Night 1, this time with DF mentioned alongside two others.

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MovingPictures07 wrote:
nutella wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.
So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.
I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?
I would have to examine some interactions first, and I don't like getting into team theories too ahead of myself, but I'd tentatively agree that DF and Nero are teammate-compatible. I'm not sure whether the point about DF's participation is anything alignment-indicative though.
Subscribes to nutella's assertion that DF and Nero might be team mates. Nero wasn't bad. Could be opportunism by MP.

Red read in the Night 2 rainbow list

Again on Day 3

MP continued to include DF as a candidate to be a team mate of Elohcin into Day 5 and Day 6.

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Things DFaraday said to/about MovingPictures07:

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DFaraday wrote:When did Day 1 votes become such serious business around here? I recall a time when half the field would randomize on Day 1 and nobody thought it weak, when Jason Maher would vote himself every Day 1 and nobody complained, and actually having a substantial reason for voting that early was unusual. Did something change, or am I severely misremembering, because I still don't approach Day 1 with that much analysis.

I would also note that MP says there is no reason for a baddie to act the way Zebra was, which may be true (though I think baddies can play intentionally obtuse in thread to avoid committing to anything). However, I would ask what reason a baddie specifically would have for giving such a throwaway reason for voting someone. I don't think it's a stretch to say that civvies vote for lame reasons just as much as baddies, and I really don't see how a weak voting reason is alignment-indicative at all.

If you want to say my vote was weaksauce, fine, it kind of was, but it doesn't make me bad.

EBWOP: K4J, for the longest time your avi was a source of gender confusion for me.
Explaining himself in response to the accusations related to the Zebra wagon.

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DFaraday wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:These zebra votes are seriously ridiculously suspicious at face value. If you all can't recognize that, then I don't know what to say.
Ugh, I know.

You seem to be scapegoating hard though. It makes me a little wary of you, throwing blame around. Did you defend Zebra or her actions anywhere? If this lynch was as bad as you make it out to be, you should have been more vocal about it before it happened.

Won´t it just regenerate if we kill it? I think someone(Nutella maybe) wrote something about those cells.
This struck me as a NO U, and rather inaccurate assessment of MP.
This might be the most curious moment for DFaraday. Nero suggested that MP was scapegoating people for the Zebra lynch, and the primary target of that would have been DFaraday himself. DFaraday defended MP in this case though and accused Nero of a "NO U".

DFaraday: please talk about this moment if you could. Try to revisit your mindset at this point in the game and add some clarity to your willingness to give MP the benefit of the doubt as he was criticizing you so harshly for the Zebra wagon.

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DFaraday wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:RIP Matt.
I'm going to try catching up. The poll sucks.
nutella wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
nutella wrote:Alright, I'm giving Eloh another chance and voting for Nerolunar because he is bad. Just a strong gut feeling that has emerged from his last several posts. I feel similarly about DF, and to a lesser extent llama.
So, what do you make of DF suspicion of Nero? Do you think they're teammates? I don't recall a lot of opinions from DF (if I missed something, please let me know)...so I would be inclined to believe that the few suspicions that DF does share, if he were bad, wouldn't be a teammate. Especially considering Nero was not really under fire.
I do actually think DF and Nero could be teammates. DF already seems to be participating more than he usually does (usually barely at all), and I guess I see your point that his few contributions must be legit but I could also see him cleverly fabricating a suspicion on a teammate that might not have seemed likely to go anywhere. His "case"/comment on Nero was pretty weak and he ends up classifying it as a "mild baddie" read, not a very committed suspicion, and misses the vote anyway. And now he says he's rethinking the suspicion in light of Elo's flip. Idk, it might be a stretch but I could see it.

DF, why do you think you need to reconsider your suspicion of Nero based on the result?
Thanks for explaining. I could see this being a possibility. Especially with the fact that he said he needs to rethink the suspicion on Nero.
Is it not commonplace to reevaluate your suspicions in light of a baddie being lynched? I thought everyone did that.

I'm probably going to vote for Nero anyway since he's still my most suspicious of the three, but I want to hear more about why Scotty suspects MP, whom I've been reading pretty strongly as civ.
This "strong civ" read is a forgiving one considering the treatment DF received from MP.

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DFaraday wrote:I think JJJ makes some good points about Snapshot. If it's role checking people we shouldn't be quick to dismiss its suspicions (for that matter, it was also suspecting MP, right?). And I agree that one player controlling that many abilities seems unlikely, so we can't say that Snapshot is necessarily synonymous with the Process. I'm considering a Drum vote today, but I also want to look over the MP case, since I didn't quite catch what the case on him is about.
Decent enough look that DF made sure to include MP in the Day 6 discussions of Snapshot's role check power and what it might mean about the players he suspected.

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I think this is mostly of a positive reflection for DFaraday. I would like to hear more about the points highlighted in pink though.

Just because he was suspecting me didn't make me suspect him. I felt that Nero was overreacting to MP's suspicion of us, and called him on it. Apparently I was wrong about both of them, but my suspicions weren't based on their feelings towards me.

It's nice to see that Llama is at least engaging somewhat, which makes me feel better about him than Mac. I also think it best to find the Process rather than continuing to lynch its functions. There are only a handful of real players left, and the longer we fail to find the Process, the more time the baddies have to kill us.

Ned Flanders · #1045

Cell

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Young Lady

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Badcell

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Luna

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Man

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Snapshot

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Operator

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Cheerleader

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Creep

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 1&sr=posts

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Not sure if this will help, but here are the post histories of every sock account. I know Luna and I are not a threat, but in the interest of fairness, includes our histories as well.

Jimmy, if you're not lynched anytime soon, perhaps you can take a looksie and see if you can come up with anything. That goes for everyone else, too, but I figured Jimmy above all others would be willing to take a crack at it.

#1046

Pipe down Faraday

Ned Flanders · #1047

Several sock accounts have gone after DrumBeats in some way or another.

Unless DB likes to play with extreme WIFOM fire, I would hazard a guess that he is not the Process.

#1048

Or he wants you to think that. And has sent his minion to sew bs.

Phoebe Buffay · #1049

We know stuff that we can help you with haha.
Or not! Its up to u if u want 2 werk with us

#1050

I think it is strange that you would say that to me considering you voted for me. The inconsistency makes me think your offer is fairly self serving.

Find the Camerata or the Process.