[ENDGAME] The Office Mafia

#1951

LoRab wrote:That sounds like the civ DF I expect. So, he's moved down my list, as well.

Daisy, on the other hand:

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm having internet issues apparently. Anyway, I have seen my name tossed around a lot today and that's cool, I can't blame you all because I have been shit this game. Vote me if you like but I can tell you it is guaranteed to be a complete waste of your time and a lynch no matter who you are. If you put my gameplay all together with what I've said recently I'm sure you can figure out why. But do what you like.
It seems as if you're hinting at Erin. Because no other role would be a complete waste of time and a lynch no matter who you are. And Erin was lynched day 2. So...am I missing something?

And I think, if you were implying BWT was a seemer, that you'd have said something or implied something when he flipped as your role.

So, in short, I'm not sure I believe you.

Also, I feel bad suspecting Daisy in this game in particular, since The Office game back in the day (before I was LoRab, even) on LP was Daisy's first game, I believe, and we had wonderfully lovely civ BTSC with all of the Warehouse Workers (TH was there, too, of other players in this game)--until fucking evil bastard (FEB) DD frigging killed me. Ah, memories. But, really, it was a fun game, and I feel bad suspecting you in a game of the same theme--does that make any sense?

I would not believe me if i was hinting at Erin either. I am not hinting that at all actually though.

#1952

And also, you are wrong in your statement that is the only role that would be a waste of a lynch no matter who you are.

#1953

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm having internet issues apparently. Anyway, I have seen my name tossed around a lot today and that's cool, I can't blame you all because I have been shit this game. Vote me if you like but I can tell you it is guaranteed to be a complete waste of your time and a lynch no matter who you are. If you put my gameplay all together with what I've said recently I'm sure you can figure out why. But do what you like.

Well you make me nervous. If you are actually who I think you are claiming to be, then you are not a prudent lynch. But that you are using it as a crutch doesn't look good.

In any case, I'm not sure the next best lynch candidate. I'm gonna plop it on DFaraday for now.

But someone can certainly change my mind on another. I'm kinda floundering here for the best candidate.

#1954

Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.

#1955

Matt, if you're out there listening, I feel like how you probably usually feel. Literally ANYONE XOULD HE BAD

#1956

Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.

I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?

#1957

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.
I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?

What if I vote you. Is that a bad idea?

Why or why not?

Remember to fill in your bubble completely or it won't be read.

#1958

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.
I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?
What if I vote you. Is that a bad idea?

Why or why not?

Remember to fill in your bubble completely or it won't be read.

How about you tell me your current opinion on INH? You called him good.

#1959

Scotty wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:I'm having internet issues apparently. Anyway, I have seen my name tossed around a lot today and that's cool, I can't blame you all because I have been shit this game. Vote me if you like but I can tell you it is guaranteed to be a complete waste of your time and a lynch no matter who you are. If you put my gameplay all together with what I've said recently I'm sure you can figure out why. But do what you like.
Well you make me nervous. If you are actually who I think you are claiming to be, then you are not a prudent lynch. But that you are using it as a crutch doesn't look good.

In any case, I'm not sure the next best lynch candidate. I'm gonna plop it on DFaraday for now.

But someone can certainly change my mind on another. I'm kinda floundering here for the best candidate.

Like I said, do what you want. I'm not attempting to use anything as a crutch, and I'm sure not helping anyone. I've been a crap player this game and don't deserve any win IMO, but I would be remiss not to warn you that it is a waste of time to lynch (or kill) me for any party involved. If I get lynched so be it, that's fine.

#1960

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.
I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?

Great Scott.

#1961

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.
I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?
What if I vote you. Is that a bad idea?

Why or why not?

Remember to fill in your bubble completely or it won't be read.
How about you tell me your current opinion on INH? You called him good.

I think you answered your own question. Do you think he is bad?

#1962

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.
I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?
Great Scott.

TH how do you feel with where my vote is right now?

I'm a free agent. Just don't let the Browns sign me.

#1963

Scotty to be honest I'm as lost as you are. I think I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and vote for espers because fuck it. Everyone seems so genuine to me at this point, I don't know who to not trust.

#1964

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:Oooo what if I just went crazy and voted TH. How crazy would that be?

Am I crazy? I could be. Someone throw me a bone here.
I'd advise against that. TH doesn't know what the hell he's doing. He's a complete fool. Like, he couldn't tell you if Christopher Lloyd is hot.

Ask him.

Hey TH, is Chrisopher Lloyd hot? Not "Would you do him?" but is he hot?
What if I vote you. Is that a bad idea?

Why or why not?

Remember to fill in your bubble completely or it won't be read.
How about you tell me your current opinion on INH? You called him good.
I think you answered your own question. Do you think he is bad?

You called him good. Past tense. I asked you your current position on him. I didn't answer my own question. Only you could answer my question.

As for your question, no. My vote is on him for my health.

#1965

I'm not voting INH today I've decided that my gut is not based on enough at this stage.

#1966

timmer wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:I would also suspect that Spacedaisy was forced to vote Drumbeats on top of bea voting Sorsha and espers voting serge. In case anyone is counting.

In reading back through the votes from yesterday, here's some notes:
Drumbeats looks slightly better.
espers looks slightly worse.
Turnip Head looks worse.
Epi looks slightly better.
Enrique looks slightly worse.
Timmer looks slightly better.

I'm not sure how those compare with the GTH reads from last night.

Everyone else is pretty much in limbo. I have a few people I trust more than others that I don't feel like painting at this time.

I would acknowledge that I wouldn't mind my own office, but im not actively campaigning.
Didn't Drumbeats vote the exact same way as TH... three times last night?
Yes? Wouldnt you like to respond to my criticisms of your vote?
Okay. I think INH is bad.
Hallelu!

timmer wrote:I'm not voting INH today I've decided that my gut is not based on enough at this stage.

That's a major turnaround, timmer. Can you explain what brought it about?

#1967

Fudge cicle I moved back to SD because I'm feelin frisky

#1968

Turnip Head wrote:Scotty to be honest I'm as lost as you are. I think I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and vote for espers because fuck it. Everyone seems so genuine to me at this point, I don't know who to not trust.

What has changed since:

Turnip Head wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:Where do both of you stand on espers?
If we're going down that road I'd rather lynch SpaceDaisy.

#1969

Scotty wrote:That little blowup by INH I read as one of two ways: a frustrated civ with a diatribe against "The Man", so to speak; or the voice of a Mafia spinster that a lot of us are accurately feeling, using his question curse as a crutch.

I want to choose to believe he's the former in this situation, and I don't for the life of me know if I can delve into him as a lunch candidate today. I don't know if his vote history is all that demonstrative as a key suspicion.

Spacedaisy and espers--

I want to hear from Spacedaisy. The longer she sits in silence the more I eye her.

I'm liking these recent contributions from espers, but I don't know if it's just a casual effort on his part to appear a part of things again.

Both of them have missed votes, but a lot of espers' votes in particular have been most likely Merideth-enforced (if she is still alive), so who the hell knows what he's really thinking.

Spacedaisy recently was the tail end of the splints train, and was not forced. So she at least had a conscience in her vote, though it also is most unhelpful, since she had no real qualms that I can see coming before the vote.

FS said that his vote on Day 4 was not forced, meaning Meredith is likely no longer in play.

#1970

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Scotty to be honest I'm as lost as you are. I think I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and vote for espers because fuck it. Everyone seems so genuine to me at this point, I don't know who to not trust.

What has changed since:

Turnip Head wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:Where do both of you stand on espers?
If we're going down that road I'd rather lynch SpaceDaisy.

Turnip Head wrote:Everyone seems so genuine to me at this point, I don't know who to not trust.

#1971

DrumBeats wrote:FS said that his vote on Day 4 was not forced, meaning Meredith is likely no longer in play.

Wait what, who said that? I assumed esper's vote was forced too.

#1972

Turnip Head wrote:Faraday is off my list. No way he's bad after those last two posts.

I haven't actually given bea a proper read through, I tend to always assume she's good. Life is easier that way.

You keep clearing people based off of nothing and I don't get it.

#1973

Also I think we're gonna lose, and if that's the case I'd rather lose to anyone but espers. Nothing against him personally, but he has 12 posts.

#1974

fingersplints wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm *voting BWT*. He's the worst-looking of the 3 I was looking at (although DB is also giving me pause), and I see no reason for leetic to be lynched.
I don't think this vote looks great for him either.
Can you elaborate?
When Person A says they are voting Person B or C and D, and then person B comes back as a civvie... It looks like Person A could be saving B or C.
/quote]

How do you think it looks when Person A never really opens themself up to take responsibility for a mislynch until day 5, such as the following voting record? Keep in mind this person never missed a night vote.

D1: None
D2: leetic (Meredithed)
D3: None
D4: Matt (Maybe Meredithed)
D5: Serge

Sorry I've been out, I've had a busy last few days. I'm going to have to get off again soon, but I'll be back by EoD and my time is going to be back to normal after that.
d3 missed vote was not my fault. So yea I missed one vote. how am I not taking responsibility? I was wrong about Matt which I acknowledged here:

fingersplints wrote:Damn. That sucks. RIP Matt. At least now I know and can move on.

FS takes responsibility for the D4 vote. Now that I think about it though, I remember Dom saying that D3 no votes wouldn't be controlled by Meredith, so never mind I am wrong.

#1975

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Faraday is off my list. No way he's bad after those last two posts.

I haven't actually given bea a proper read through, I tend to always assume she's good. Life is easier that way.

You keep clearing people based off of nothing and I don't get it.

It's not nothing in my head

I'm not here to laboriously explain every detail of my reads unless it's to make a case.

#1976

Turnip Head wrote:Also I think we're gonna lose, and if that's the case I'd rather lose to anyone but espers. Nothing against him personally, but he has 12 posts.

I want to lynch one of the inactives today, because we go into a MYLO or LYLO situation, I don't want to have to rely on their activity. However, I don't believe your flip from SD to espers is genuine. What made you stop suspecting Daisy?

#1977

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Also I think we're gonna lose, and if that's the case I'd rather lose to anyone but espers. Nothing against him personally, but he has 12 posts.
I want to lynch one of the inactives today, because we go into a MYLO or LYLO situation, I don't want to have to rely on their activity. However, I don't believe your flip from SD to espers is genuine. What made you stop suspecting Daisy?

Because she seemed completely fine with people voting for her and I don't think a bad Daisy would be.

#1978

Why don't you think it's genuine? What sort of ulterior motive would I have?

#1979

espers wrote:
DrumBeats wrote: The post itself feels fine to me, but again, the timing of all of your stuff just throws me off. You don't post until I say I'm skeptical of your activity, and then you post three hours later. You clearly have been keeping up enough to catch FingerSplints crumbing, but you have barely contributed to the thread. You hadn't even posted today until I brought it up. It feels like you're strategically laying low and lurking.
I mean, you're correct that i've been following along with the thread and contributing where I'm engaged (or, in the splints case, where something really notable crops up). I can't really deny this. There's no agenda behind it, however. It's kind of a chore when you post stuff and people just blatantly ignore you. Like, my responses to your iso just sat there for days, no one acknowledged them until i brought them back up. There's enough content there that directly pertinent to enough people that you'd think at least someone would want to engage it.

I basically feel like I don't know how to influence the course of the thread, so why bother? that's kind of a shitty attitude i know, but i don't see what recourse i have.

I don't like this. You're basing your unwillingness to contribute off of one of your very few posts being ignored. If you are keeping up, why not post your opinions at the time and discuss them?

espers wrote:Voted timmer so i don't forget.

Here's one thing: DrumBeats and Turnip Head, what happened to your LoRab suspicions? I don't like how they sorta just dissipated.

Still there, still considering it. My one on Scotty is a bit reduced lately, but also something I want to reinvestigate later. What are your thoughts on Lorab?

#1980

Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:I would also suspect that Spacedaisy was forced to vote Drumbeats on top of bea voting Sorsha and espers voting serge. In case anyone is counting.

In reading back through the votes from yesterday, here's some notes:
Drumbeats looks slightly better.
espers looks slightly worse.
Turnip Head looks worse.
Epi looks slightly better.
Enrique looks slightly worse.
Timmer looks slightly better.

I'm not sure how those compare with the GTH reads from last night.

Everyone else is pretty much in limbo. I have a few people I trust more than others that I don't feel like painting at this time.

I would acknowledge that I wouldn't mind my own office, but im not actively campaigning.
Didn't Drumbeats vote the exact same way as TH... three times last night?
Yes? Wouldnt you like to respond to my criticisms of your vote?
Okay. I think INH is bad.
Hallelu!

timmer wrote:I'm not voting INH today I've decided that my gut is not based on enough at this stage.
That's a major turnaround, timmer. Can you explain what brought it about?

Nice complete and utter dodge of everything I said, okay?

#1981

I'm not interested in your angst-ridden series of interrogatives INH. I didn't suspect you because of Matt or 3J or anything with timmer. That was a fresh avenue of thought coming off the fingersplints lynch.

I'm not bad. My job is to work out who is, and I don't care if I have fourteen hundred failures, I'll press on, even if you think I should step back.

#1982

Turnip Head wrote:Why don't you think it's genuine? What sort of ulterior motive would I have?

Because, though I think DFaraday is town, I see nothing in those two posts to clear him. I see nothing to clear Spacedaisy. I saw nothing to clear SVS like you did. I kind of see your reasoning on INH, but at the same time, I don't see why a civ would act that way either, so I have no idea about him. Ulterior motives could be to justify jumping your suspicion, to stop yourself from having to lynch scummates, I honestly don't know, but I just find the behavior odd. Then again though, I've been scumreading half the game most the time so

#1983

insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Scotty wrote:I would also suspect that Spacedaisy was forced to vote Drumbeats on top of bea voting Sorsha and espers voting serge. In case anyone is counting.

In reading back through the votes from yesterday, here's some notes:
Drumbeats looks slightly better.
espers looks slightly worse.
Turnip Head looks worse.
Epi looks slightly better.
Enrique looks slightly worse.
Timmer looks slightly better.

I'm not sure how those compare with the GTH reads from last night.

Everyone else is pretty much in limbo. I have a few people I trust more than others that I don't feel like painting at this time.

I would acknowledge that I wouldn't mind my own office, but im not actively campaigning.
Didn't Drumbeats vote the exact same way as TH... three times last night?
Yes? Wouldnt you like to respond to my criticisms of your vote?
Okay. I think INH is bad.
Hallelu!

timmer wrote:I'm not voting INH today I've decided that my gut is not based on enough at this stage.
That's a major turnaround, timmer. Can you explain what brought it about?
Nice complete and utter dodge of everything I said, okay?

Nice complete and utter dodge of everything Epi said, okay?

#1984

DrumBeats wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Why don't you think it's genuine? What sort of ulterior motive would I have?
Because, though I think DFaraday is town, I see nothing in those two posts to clear him. I see nothing to clear Spacedaisy. I saw nothing to clear SVS like you did.

I suppose this means our brains work differently.

#1985

Epig is just that is still lingering from day 1 and there is nothing much to it. I don't have a lot of better ideas but my blinders re INH have likely held my game back

#1986

timmer wrote:Epig is just that is still lingering from day 1 and there is nothing much to it. I don't have a lot of better ideas but my blinders re INH have likely held my game back

So what are you going to do now?

#1987

Thinking of the people with votes. TH, can you remind me of whether you knew there was a silencer when you were calling out lorab?

#1988

Three people I'm considering voting rn

Espers - Looks like strategic lurking

SD - Basically softclaimed indy imo

INH - Epi has been heavily pushing and I think I might be able to trust this.

#1989

timmer wrote:Thinking of the people with votes. TH, can you remind me of whether you knew there was a silencer when you were calling out lorab?

I did not.

#1990

TH, where are you thinking? I've got guests, I may need to just look at the final lynch trains and decide which one seems most trustworthy

#1991

Shit guys What's going on? This is exactly what I was hoping to avoid. I'm driving for the next half hour so I'll be back.

I'm calling SD's bluff and going balls to the wall. Anyone with me?

#1992

timmer wrote:TH, where are you thinking? I've got guests, I may need to just look at the final lynch trains and decide which one seems most trustworthy

I'm going for the hail mary play and voting espers.

#1993

I would like people to read back through INH's posts when fingersplints got lynched. He bitched about her lynch, but only when she was dead meat. He never said a word in her defense prior to that.

That's why my vote is on him.

#1994

Let me just say, I hate being the swing vote here. Looking back at SD, because I am fully informed on the other two.

Currently leaning espers, but I don't find TH's reasoning for the vote to be very genuine.

#1995

OK look. If someone can explain away why SD shouldn't be killed based on how she has played and what she has hinted at, I'll move my vote. BUT a Mafia member posing as an indie isn't too outlandish

#1996

What a clusterfuck

#1997

Scotty wrote:OK look. If someone can explain away why SD shouldn't be killed based on how she has played and what she has hinted at, I'll move my vote. BUT a Mafia member posing as an indie isn't too outlandish

That's the thing, when I look at it, I'm 90% sure SD is trying to soft indy. Worst case scenario we lose somebody who isn't a number for us and could potentially scumside in a MYLO or LYLO situation. Best case we get a mafia. It just seems like the best option imo. Voting Spacedaisy.

@ linki TH - agreed lmao. This is the first game I've been this deep into and had such a little clue of what's going on.

#1998

DrumBeats wrote:
Scotty wrote:OK look. If someone can explain away why SD shouldn't be killed based on how she has played and what she has hinted at, I'll move my vote. BUT a Mafia member posing as an indie isn't too outlandish
That's the thing, when I look at it, I'm 90% sure SD is trying to soft indy. Worst case scenario we lose somebody who isn't a number for us and could potentially scumside in a MYLO or LYLO situation. Best case we get a mafia. It just seems like the best option imo. Voting Spacedaisy.

@ linki TH - agreed lmao. This is the first game I've been this deep into and had such a little clue of what's going on.

You realize that JJJ hard claimed indie, and we can not be so sure that was the case.
A Mafia claiming indie is the safest thing to do when you can win with anyone.

#1999

My opinion on trusting neutrals is well documented. In short: I don't. So, whether SD is telling the truth and really is neutral (I realized what I was missing from my earlier post). Or if she is mafia and lying. Either way, I don't really trust her.

#2000

Scotty wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Scotty wrote:OK look. If someone can explain away why SD shouldn't be killed based on how she has played and what she has hinted at, I'll move my vote. BUT a Mafia member posing as an indie isn't too outlandish
That's the thing, when I look at it, I'm 90% sure SD is trying to soft indy. Worst case scenario we lose somebody who isn't a number for us and could potentially scumside in a MYLO or LYLO situation. Best case we get a mafia. It just seems like the best option imo. Voting Spacedaisy.

@ linki TH - agreed lmao. This is the first game I've been this deep into and had such a little clue of what's going on.
You realize that JJJ hard claimed indie, and we can not be so sure that was the case.
A Mafia claiming indie is the safest thing to do when you can win with anyone.

Huh?

I just said there that I think SD could be faking indy. I think we agree here lol

Who's getting a pink slip?