[ENDGAME] The Office Mafia

#2351

Quin wrote:
I'm really just trying to come up with something that hints the importance of not lynching me that can be backed up by a lie detector and also doesn't break the info dumping rule.

Would something like

'Alignment aside, if I am lynched, the mafia will be given a significant advantage over the town in the next night phase.' work?
And you replied with...

Dom wrote:That's fine!

Which is a statement of claim. Unlike the statements you were theorizing one could post to be checked. The quotes contain a factual statement that could be checked, that you knew the answer to, and weren't speculating about.

#2352

Also, Turnip Head, sorry for the bullshit. You know it was just business. I still had a good time talking with you.

#2353

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
I'm really just trying to come up with something that hints the importance of not lynching me that can be backed up by a lie detector and also doesn't break the info dumping rule.

Would something like

'Alignment aside, if I am lynched, the mafia will be given a significant advantage over the town in the next night phase.' work?
And you replied with...

Dom wrote:That's fine!
Which is a statement of claim. Unlike the statements you were theorizing one could post to be checked. The quotes contain a factual statement that could be checked, that you knew the answer to, and weren't speculating about.

Okay Dom, would Pam have been able to check my claim that items were in the game, even though I had no idea? Keep in mind it was structured as 'There are items in this game'

Although, Darryl must have been surprised that I guessed that. I honestly had no idea

#2354

Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
LoRab wrote:Quin fairly blatantly stated that his vote was forced. As compensation, we got an extra force of a vote.
Ohhhhhh. I'm at least happy I was right in that it wasn't an item or some other secret role. I'm not used to dealing with situations like this that come up with the no info-dumping clause so I never would have thought of that.

Also, sorry to all townies that I couldn't handle endgame better - but it is very hard when most of the active players are dead and based on the information I had, it seemed to me like TH was bad.
DrumBeats, I hope you didn't take offense when I called you a clown. I really meant nothing by it at all, I hope you can see.

I took no offense because I knew you were mafia just trying to discredit me, which you did a fantastic job at. No hard feelings at all there.

#2355

DrumBeats wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
LoRab wrote:Quin fairly blatantly stated that his vote was forced. As compensation, we got an extra force of a vote.
Ohhhhhh. I'm at least happy I was right in that it wasn't an item or some other secret role. I'm not used to dealing with situations like this that come up with the no info-dumping clause so I never would have thought of that.

Also, sorry to all townies that I couldn't handle endgame better - but it is very hard when most of the active players are dead and based on the information I had, it seemed to me like TH was bad.
DrumBeats, I hope you didn't take offense when I called you a clown. I really meant nothing by it at all, I hope you can see.
I took no offense because I knew you were mafia just trying to discredit me, which you did a fantastic job at. No hard feelings at all there.

You were the best civilian in this game- no question.

#2356

Quin wrote:
I'm really just trying to come up with something that hints the importance of not lynching me that can be backed up by a lie detector and also doesn't break the info dumping rule.

Would something like

'Alignment aside, if I am lynched, the mafia will be given a significant advantage over the town in the next night phase.' work?
And you replied with...

Dom wrote:That's fine!

I would have allowed that yes.

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
I'm really just trying to come up with something that hints the importance of not lynching me that can be backed up by a lie detector and also doesn't break the info dumping rule.

Would something like

'Alignment aside, if I am lynched, the mafia will be given a significant advantage over the town in the next night phase.' work?
And you replied with...

Dom wrote:That's fine!
Which is a statement of claim. Unlike the statements you were theorizing one could post to be checked. The quotes contain a factual statement that could be checked, that you knew the answer to, and weren't speculating about.
Okay Dom, would Pam have been able to check my claim that items were in the game, even though I had no idea? Keep in mind it was structured as 'There are items in this game'

Although, Darryl must have been surprised that I guessed that. I honestly had no idea

I would read the whole post with Pam (SVS) and we'd make a decision together.

I'm truly not going to go through case by case with anyone here and decide, retroactively what was LD checkable because that is a rather pointless exercise.

#2357

Congrats bad guys! You played a great game and deserved the win (well, I don't know about enrique). I thought both Epi and Lorab were good. Ha! Which leads me to a question. Why did you kill me before I'd even gotten my footing in the game especially since I thought two of you were good, though I may have only mentioned Epi? And I had a role that didn't have much power. Thanks for your answer in advance.

Dom you did a great job. Thanks for the game.

#2358

You did a great job, DrumBeats. It didn't all go your way, but shit happens. Town needed someone to step into the spotlight and try to lead the charge, and you were more than capable in that role. I hope you continue playing on The Syndicate with us, we can use your pro-civilian methodology. You're a fun guy to work with.

#2359

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You did a great job, DrumBeats. It didn't all go your way, but shit happens. Town needed someone to step into the spotlight and try to lead the charge, and you were more than capable in that role. I hope you continue playing on The Syndicate with us, we can use your pro-civilian methodology. You're a fun guy to work with.

Ten times this.

#2360

juliets wrote:Congrats bad guys! You played a great game and deserved the win (well, I don't know about enrique). I thought both Epi and Lorab were good. Ha! Which leads me to a question. Why did you kill me before I'd even gotten my footing in the game especially since I thought two of you were good, though I may have only mentioned Epi? And I had a role that didn't have much power. Thanks for your answer in advance.

Dom you did a great job. Thanks for the game.

We killed you because there was never any chance of you getting lynched. Just basic Mafia 101 really.

#2361

Thank you guys for the kind words. I really appreciate it after this game, because I doubted myself a ton on this one tbh.

#2362

#2363

Has juliets ever been lynched in her life?

#2364

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Has juliets ever been lynched in her life?

I got her lynched Day 2 in Doctor Who (we were both good, and then I got lynched, and subbed in as bad). That's the only time I can think of.

#2365

DrumBeats wrote:Thank you guys for the kind words. I really appreciate it after this game, because I doubted myself a ton on this one tbh.

You were most definitely a force to be reckoned with, and ironically I would qualify you as the civ MVP AND the Maria's MVP. You had no idea, and I'm terribly sorry I played you like that. Especially after I tried (and failed) to kill you. Kudos to your play this game, sir.

Our team hasn't seen Enrique or espers in like 3 days, so that was a fun obstacle.

I also want to formally apologize to bea, who will probably never trust me again.
I convinced her that she got recruited to a separate team at another paper branch. It was quite thorough. In doing so I convinced her that I had already recruited LoRab and that she was no longer a civ, but lived or died for our little team. So whenever she went to bat for me and LoRab, that was why. And she totally lost because of it. She then told me all about Phyllis and we weren't afraid to use the doctor against the civs

I was seriously having a moral crisis about it, but know that it was only a game, bea. I do mean everything I said in regards to your work though bea. And I know you can pull through it.

The toughest cookie to crack was DFaraday. He didn't want to share anything with me in BTSC, which everyone else did so thoroughly (except timmer, who told me he was Michael and that lynching him would give him "power." So we made sure to not lynch him after that). I figured out DF was Darryl however right after I asked him about items and he answered in some weird metaphorical riddle about not possessing items that it just clicked.

Fun game, Dom! We were cruising until that DB rubber band fiasco. If we had killed ANYONE else, we probably would have won without losing ANYONE on the team..
And fun chatting with my scum partners!

Lol Epi was so bad all game and no one called him on how obvious he was being.

#2366

I was also impressed with DrumBeats, from both this and BSG, even as I knew that he was wrong about TH and leading the town to oblivion... they would have been in oblivion without the effort anyway.

Bringing back scotty was so fun. I usually root for the town but in that one instance I had to root for the baddies.

#2367

So it would appear that leetic was killed by Sorsha on N2.
Did she try and kill anyone on N4?

That would make more sense than Elo shooting leetic. When I talked to Elo in chat, we talked about possibly shooting Matt

#2368

At no point after my death did I regret publicly claiming my independence.

Until the resurrection poll.

#2369

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You did a great job, DrumBeats. It didn't all go your way, but shit happens. Town needed someone to step into the spotlight and try to lead the charge, and you were more than capable in that role. I hope you continue playing on The Syndicate with us, we can use your pro-civilian methodology. You're a fun guy to work with.
Ten times this.

I concur. I don't normally name MVPs, but DrumBeats would definitely get the civ title here.

Leetic was Toby so Sorsha lost her power.

#2370

This was one of the most hilarious games to watch as a deadie. It was so obvious to me (once I got back from my trip & could pay attention to the game again, but then got killed) who the baddie team was. I was laughing hysterically when Scotty got rezzed. I could not believe it. But you know the thing about dead hindsight. It really is easier to see things when you're not in the thick of it. I'm not sure why, but it is. Plus, I knew Epi was lying about being silenced, because I never silenced him! That's one reason I was begging to come back - to call him out.

Drumbeats, I felt you were a gentleman all game, even when things went to pot. And that, to me, is the pinnacle of mafia. Bravo to you, sir.

#2371

I was just always wrong then with all my increased votes?

who was the dundler mifflin rep?

#2372

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You did a great job, DrumBeats. It didn't all go your way, but shit happens. Town needed someone to step into the spotlight and try to lead the charge, and you were more than capable in that role. I hope you continue playing on The Syndicate with us, we can use your pro-civilian methodology. You're a fun guy to work with.
Ten times this.
I concur. I don't normally name MVPs, but DrumBeats would definitely get the civ title here.

Leetic was Toby so Sorsha lost her power.

That's...hilarious, actually.

indiglo wrote:This was one of the most hilarious games to watch as a deadie. It was so obvious to me (once I got back from my trip & could pay attention to the game again, but then got killed) who the baddie team was. I was laughing hysterically when Scotty got rezzed. I could not believe it. But you know the thing about dead hindsight. It really is easier to see things when you're not in the thick of it. I'm not sure why, but it is. Plus, I knew Epi was lying about being silenced, because I never silenced him! That's one reason I was begging to come back - to call him out.

Drumbeats, I felt you were a gentleman all game, even when things went to pot. And that, to me, is the pinnacle of mafia. Bravo to you, sir.

It really is. You're so far removed that you are no longer fighting for a particular side, and can take off the blinders.

And yeah, Epi was very pleased with himself that he said he was silenced AFTER POSTING DURING THAT DAY. Literally no one was calling him out on his blatant badness lol

#2373

bea wrote:I was just always wrong then with all my increased votes?

who was the dundler mifflin rep?

That was me, bea.

Please don't be mad at me. I feel horrible and manipulative and I would never behave like that outside of the game.

#2374

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:At no point after my death did I regret publicly claiming my independence.

Until the resurrection poll.

I thought that was an interesting gambit. I wonder if you'll try it again. I think it was definitely worth trying at least once.

I found myself a strange NK target too, after being gone and so out of the loop. But when it happened, I was actually a bit relieved, tbh. I got a bit sick after getting back from my trip, so it was nice to just be able to rest and recuperate. However, I should have liked to have been NKed BEFORE my trip, so I didn't have to stress out about mafia while I was unable to mafia! :P

Thanks a bunch for hosting Dom! Sorry I wasn't my usual super civ self. Not knowing anything about the show, it took me a bit to get my feet under me, then I was getting ready to travel and traveling. I felt bad for not being as participatory as I normally am, but I still learned things from the game! And I also really enjoyed all the videos you posted. I think I shall check this show out!

#2375

bea wrote:I was just always wrong then with all my increased votes?

who was the dundler mifflin rep?

Your votes had a 50% chance of being affected by the item. Your vote kept the game going in addition to Timmer's +1 hiding. You got espers lynched.

Indi-- GLAD to hear it

#2376

Dom wrote:
bea wrote:I was just always wrong then with all my increased votes?

who was the dundler mifflin rep?
Your votes had a 50% chance of being affected by the item. Your vote kept the game going in addition to Timmer's +1 hiding. You got espers lynched.

Indi-- GLAD to hear it

Oh, THAT was what happened. I thought it was timmer's +1 vote from the day before.

#2377

Oh, and also - to everyone...

Thanks for a completely drama free game. May the rest of my games as a mod be like my first. I really needed it to be easy right now, so I appreciated it.

#2378

Golden wrote:Oh, and also - to everyone...

Thanks for a completely drama free game. May the rest of my games as a mod be like my first. I really needed it to be easy right now, so I appreciated it.

I wish you luck in that endeavor

#2379

Golden wrote:Oh, and also - to everyone...

Thanks for a completely drama free game. May the rest of my games as a mod be like my first. I really needed it to be easy right now, so I appreciated it.

That is so nice to hear. I was impressed with folks in the thread, taking the time to apologize when it seemed to get a bit heated, etc, and even with our baddie team being so kind and classy during the post game.

Bravo to each of you!

#2380

Scotty wrote: The toughest cookie to crack was DFaraday. He didn't want to share anything with me in BTSC, which everyone else did so thoroughly (except timmer, who told me he was Michael and that lynching him would give him "power." So we made sure to not lynch him after that). I figured out DF was Darryl however right after I asked him about items and he answered in some weird metaphorical riddle about not possessing items that it just clicked.

I really didn't know how far I could go discussing items, but I did figure out it was you in there pretty easily. And you said the lanyard I sent you never did anything; I guess that one was a dud.

#2381

DFaraday wrote:
Scotty wrote: The toughest cookie to crack was DFaraday. He didn't want to share anything with me in BTSC, which everyone else did so thoroughly (except timmer, who told me he was Michael and that lynching him would give him "power." So we made sure to not lynch him after that). I figured out DF was Darryl however right after I asked him about items and he answered in some weird metaphorical riddle about not possessing items that it just clicked.
I really didn't know how far I could go discussing items, but I did figure out it was you in there pretty easily. And you said the lanyard I sent you never did anything; I guess that one was a dud.

No one ever checked him :/

#2382

DFaraday wrote:
Scotty wrote: The toughest cookie to crack was DFaraday. He didn't want to share anything with me in BTSC, which everyone else did so thoroughly (except timmer, who told me he was Michael and that lynching him would give him "power." So we made sure to not lynch him after that). I figured out DF was Darryl however right after I asked him about items and he answered in some weird metaphorical riddle about not possessing items that it just clicked.
I really didn't know how far I could go discussing items, but I did figure out it was you in there pretty easily. And you said the lanyard I sent you never did anything; I guess that one was a dud.

Well I actually lied. I was under the impression that it was good, which is why I so confidently carried out kills, since my lanyard made me unblockable, or so it said. I have no idea if it worked or not, since stanley died so early.

And lol yea, I was fairly obvious to you and timmer, though I still couldn't reveal who I was. That I told you what item I had was fairly obvious since you sent it lol.
Timmer didn't want me to be rezzed, I could tell, and when my role appeared on the front page, I thought the jig was up, but no one picked up on it openly, and luckily DB's splice shined in the darkness to get my rezzed.

#2383

I'm so sorry guys, I was the suck in this game. i was barely here

I basically had one good observation all game - that Epig was more likely bad than TH. That was it.

As Michael, I was basically a neutered civ, my role required me to get at least 2 votes in a lynch and not die to even start activating powers, so it needed someone who would be around more to garner some attention.

Great game, Dom, thanks for hosting!

#2384

indiglo wrote: Plus, I knew Epi was lying about being silenced, because I never silenced him! That's one reason I was begging to come back - to call him out.

I did that just to screw around. I was surprised nobody brought up the fact that I had even posted during the Day phase I claimed I was silenced. Some fun!

#2385

Epignosis wrote:Also, Turnip Head, sorry for the bullshit. You know it was just business. I still had a good time talking with you.

Heh. No worries :P When I first got BTSC with you, I decided to trust you straight away, it was just easier that way. I did start having my doubts around the time that splints got lynched, but by that time the game already felt hopeless from my end - suspecting you just wasn't worth the energy :P I figured you had outplayed me by that point anyways.

And then of course I knew you were bad once you started using me for your own civvie cred after my lynch; you knew I had no way to know for sure about you!

That said...

Turnip Head wrote:Matt, Epi, Lorab, Scotty. Them's the suspects. Likely in that order.

In case I die tonight, I'm not Pam and I know nothing.

I should start listening to my own advice

Well played baddies. You guys deserve the win. Except for that bitch Enrique :P :P :P

#2386

So when SVS's vote was forced, why did she vote immediately? And baddies, did you just happen to be around at the moment that happened and improvised?

#2387

Epignosis wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Has juliets ever been lynched in her life?
I got her lynched Day 2 in Doctor Who (we were both good, and then I got lynched, and subbed in as bad). That's the only time I can think of.

I got lynched in Sword of Truth (game by rabbit) because I was "too nice". (I was civ). Timmer led the lynch I think.

#2388

DFaraday wrote:So when SVS's vote was forced, why did she vote immediately? And baddies, did you just happen to be around at the moment that happened and improvised?

We were counting on her to vote early since Quin did so to her the previous day. And she delivered. We were around waiting for her to do so and end the day.

My team wanted to kill Quin the night before but I had this nagging feeling that we needed to lynch him instead. So that was a very pleasant feeling to get that one right.

#2389

Scotty wrote:
bea wrote:I was just always wrong then with all my increased votes?

who was the dundler mifflin rep?
That was me, bea.

Please don't be mad at me. I feel horrible and manipulative and I would never behave like that outside of the game.

Little did you know I had an item so my vote really was worth more. No mad from me. I was too stressed Irl to have my head in this game.

#2390

bea wrote:
Scotty wrote:
bea wrote:I was just always wrong then with all my increased votes?

who was the dundler mifflin rep?
That was me, bea.

Please don't be mad at me. I feel horrible and manipulative and I would never behave like that outside of the game.
Little did you know I had an item so my vote really was worth more. No mad from me. I was too stressed Irl to have my head in this game.

Yeah that actually worked against us, so

Is work normalizing yet? like has your boss scaled back your duties yet?

#2391

Night 1,

#2392

Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
I'm really just trying to come up with something that hints the importance of not lynching me that can be backed up by a lie detector and also doesn't break the info dumping rule.

Would something like

'Alignment aside, if I am lynched, the mafia will be given a significant advantage over the town in the next night phase.' work?
And you replied with...

Dom wrote:That's fine!
Which is a statement of claim. Unlike the statements you were theorizing one could post to be checked. The quotes contain a factual statement that could be checked, that you knew the answer to, and weren't speculating about.
Okay Dom, would Pam have been able to check my claim that items were in the game, even though I had no idea? Keep in mind it was structured as 'There are items in this game'

Although, Darryl must have been surprised that I guessed that. I honestly had no idea

As Pam said repeatedly, Pam did not want to check statements about items. Pam wanted to find baddies telling lies.

Pam did use Drums list though, and got results

Sadly I kept checking Epignosis, and getting redirected or blocked or whatever, lol. Congrats baddies, solid game!

#2393

Scotty wrote:
DFaraday wrote:So when SVS's vote was forced, why did she vote immediately? And baddies, did you just happen to be around at the moment that happened and improvised?
We were counting on her to vote early since Quin did so to her the previous day. And she delivered. We were around waiting for her to do so and end the day.

My team wanted to kill Quin the night before but I had this nagging feeling that we needed to lynch him instead. So that was a very pleasant feeling to get that one right.

Yeah, I was signalling Quin with that. And generally, I really DO do what Sorsha quoted, wait till the end. But I wanted Quin to know.

#2394

The timing and nature of your accusation against me made us think you were an info role, which is why we killed you. We could not risk you getting lynched, your role being revealed, and everyone going back and seeing you accused me.

#2395

I am amazed everyone did not know you were bad. I thought you were so obvious, lol. And yeah, I figured that you did not want to risk the reveal. That was why I was surprised more people were not skeptical when I was NKed, or considered discussing my suspects. But well played! I probably would have done the same

#2396

DrumBeats wrote:Also, Dom, what happened with SVS's vote then? Was it not forced or was it an item or something?

Also, thanks for hosting Dom!

Assuming that what you can see is all that there is is a fairly common mistake people new to our culture make. We do secrets/items/etc. and may not necessarily disclose them until endgame. So no worries, lol. It was an understandable assumption to make re my vote.

#2397

Epignosis wrote:The timing and nature of your accusation against me made us think you were an info role, which is why we killed you. We could not risk you getting lynched, your role being revealed, and everyone going back and seeing you accused me.

Oh, and I never had info on you. The only success I had was with Quin, when I checked one of Drums list statements & cleared him. I tried to check you and never succeeded. My opinion that you were bad was total gut. I thought you were incredibly obvious, but apparently I was the only one

Thanks Dom, fun while it lasted, and again, congrats winners

#2398

You had my number, for sure!

Do you know what lines you tried to check of mine?

#2399

Something you said Day Zero, before anyone knew there was an LD in the game. I can look later. I never got results cause I was blocked, then redirected to TH, and struck out with him, and the night I tried you again, I died.

#2400

S~V~S wrote:I am amazed everyone did not know you were bad. I thought you were so obvious, lol. And yeah, I figured that you did not want to risk the reveal. That was why I was surprised more people were not skeptical when I was NKed, or considered discussing my suspects. But well played! I probably would have done the same

I should have stuck with my original gut about him. I read him as bad early on, but then once JJJ died, it seemed clear to me that Epi was claiming to be Andy, and that jived with what he later told me in BTSC. I trusted him because the game would have been much more complicated if he was lying :P

As for your NK, that made no sense to me, so I honestly thought splints redirected it. But I also wasn't paying much attention to what you had been saying during the game since you died right as I joined the game, so I didn't scour your posts for clues.

Who's getting a pink slip?