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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Yes but you consider a day wasted if you haven't broken the world posting record by noonJaggedJimmyJay wrote:With 38 players?Bullzeye wrote:I was under the impression this game was going to be more chilled out and not impossible for me to keep up with
Perspective is funny sometimes. I was just groaning about the game moving too slowly.
Turnip Head wrote:Personally I think this game has moved at the perfect pace. No crazy tangents, no back and forth bickering over something small, only a few signature MP novellas, a JJJ ISO here or there. If we just got a few more posts from the less active players I'd be in mafia heaven.
Ricochet in sign-ups wrote:The best marketing method is to make people realize that, if the game won't start in the next two weeks and I'll be able to join, everyone will have to deal with catching up on 20 pages per phase. So sign up to prevent that.
If I may make a recommendation...Bullzeye wrote:Not being able to post at night really sucks for me because that's how I usually get myself caught up and claw my way into a game.
Here he is, folks. Lying about my record once more. Not only that, but he's using the "gimmick against me and for me. HE is saying that I am, folks, hiding behind a gimmick-- but also suspects me for "using it". Can't have it both ways ! Also-- to the haters, This is real, this is me. I bet my opponents might make a lame popular culture reference here, but that's for the losers.DFaraday wrote:MovingPictures07 wrote:DF, a few questions:DFaraday wrote:So far my biggest suspicions are MM and Dom. I think JJJ made a good case for connections between MM and Wilgy, and Dom is not fully addressing the points made against him and, I suspect, hiding behind a posting gimmick.
Bubbles' votes seemed random, but not unusual for Bubbles.
1) In what way would you assert that Dom is hiding behind a posting gimmick?
I think gimmick posters offer themselves a built in defense when it comes to inconsistent behavior or doing things not easily explained. If they frequently do gimmicks, people will come to their defense and say it's just how they always are. If it's unusual for them, as with Dom, I think they hope they can skate by for longer with people remembering the gimmick more than their content. In this case the gimmick seems to be drawing suspicion though.
2) Do you agree or disagree that Dom's posting gimmick is attracting potentially negative attention that he would not have had to deal with otherwise?
I think to a degree it is attracting attention, because his gimmick seems to be causing him to strongly assert his opinions.
3) What points made against him has Dom not addressed, specifically?
He hadn't really established why a less vocal Bass would be bad, nor why he now thinks Bass is good, and didn't address the notion that he could be setting up an excuse to vote Bass later on. He also didn't explain his votes for JJJ and Scotty, beyond saying they're bad.
DFaraday - a liar who has lied about me many times and has clearly used me as a scapegoat, despite my posting style doing nothing to inhibit my gameplayMovingPictures07 wrote:Dom, whenever you get in here, can you name your suspects and in some kind of preference order? If you could expand upon some of your thoughts too, that'd be great.
And they think I'm vain-- Jesus, folks, look at this!sig wrote:Dom wrote:Put Crooked Dfaraday on the dueling platform.
Or sig.
So you want me to duel why? Since I suspect you.
Lyin' Sig at it again-- didn't even vote for me? Low energy? Jesus, what a bore !sig wrote:Okay I'm voting Dom for reasons previously stated and lorab since she has posted yet hasn't caught up or in fact posted again since she made her first one that is odd. I'm unsure of MM but wouldn't mind seeing him duel. I don't recall the case on Russ at all so I won't vote there.
Linki I think it makes Mac look slightly more pingy yes. I'd like to see what he says though.
I'd rather not duel hin today and leave him alive for another phase since I think it is to weak to lynch on
Dom has votes because the haters are jealous of his massive appeal to the silent majority (no shows).MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact... *looking at the poll* If Jay or someone else can succinctly explain to me why Dom, MM, and Russ are receiving votes, or at least point me in the direction of stuff I should pay attention to, that'd be great. As awesome as 100 ppg is in making me feel like I have less to read, I still have a lot to read. And I think once I get to the end of Day 1 I'm going to take a break to work again for a couple of hours, and then come back and try to catch up.
Crooked DFaraday is absolutley misunconstruing my point on bass !MovingPictures07 wrote:DF either is misunderstanding the nature of Dom's comments about Bass (saying that he should be pressured and thought to be bad if he goes silent) or intentionally misrepresenting them. That's my second observation and I'd give DF a slight mafia read for this because I'm leaning the latter.
Spoiler: show
CFD onto Crooked DFaraday or Lyin' Sig, folks.MovingPictures07 wrote:For folks who played Transistor when zebra was acting "weird", ignoring people's requests for elaborating upon her actions, and talking like a cheerleader or something, Dom is that this game. This is a BS lynch.
Who's here? Someone get a CFD going with me. I haven't finished catching up yet, but at this point I'm thinking DFaraday and timmer, the latter due to what I posted above and DF because I think he looks the most potentially opportunistic of the people who have already voted Dom, MM, and Russ to me. That said, I'd be cool with anyone who's absent or mostly absent since it seems this will be a continuing problem. Almost anyone but the three people with the most votes, frankly.
Why do you support Timmer and not DFaraday?Scotty wrote:Yeah, you're right MP, I totally forgot Dom was bad in Arkham.
And I'll take your word for it.
I'd support a timmer CFD.
However, good luck getting even 5 people in here in that time. Half the population is a no-show.
While JJJ has talks about this, and I tend to not want to go there, I think there may be validity to the no-shows being a reason at least one of the teams didn't kill last night![]()
If that's the case, I never want to hear about my Day 1 brigade against non-participants.
I don't think he's suspicious. His reasons for voting you aren't inspired, but that's the kind of thing he always thinks about when he votes. In Transistor I was a baddie and I literally relied on him incorrectly suspecting townies for pretty much the same bad reasons (i.e. people not explaining their votes, people acting unusual, etc.).Dom wrote:Why not DFaraday though.
That wasn't what my case was about.Golden wrote:Even in BSG where she was bad, the case against her seemed to be all about her btsc with LoRab that she didn't have, and I felt like the case on her was wrong (from a host perspective).
Bass prefers his animal namesake over the marmot.Golden wrote:Did Bass or bwt explain why they want to be involved in the duel?
As you know, your contributions to games are generally blendy and unmemorableJaggedJimmyJay wrote:That wasn't what my case was about.Golden wrote:Even in BSG where she was bad, the case against her seemed to be all about her btsc with LoRab that she didn't have, and I felt like the case on her was wrong (from a host perspective).
Cool. I will read it when I get time, but I think presenting a perspective of how people read nutella unaffected by understanding the case in this game could be useful.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I cased nutella hard in Bullets Over Broadway and I was wrong.
I cased nutella hard in Battlestar Galactica and I was right.
In this instance I think the case material presented by MP is less thick (understandably under the circumstances), but it's good enough to be in the duel discussion.
Why are you doing this, Dom? You never responded to my postDom wrote:DFaraday - a liar who has lied about me many times and has clearly used me as a scapegoat, despite my posting style doing nothing to inhibit my gameplayMovingPictures07 wrote:Dom, whenever you get in here, can you name your suspects and in some kind of preference order? If you could expand upon some of your thoughts too, that'd be great.
Sig - see above
nutella - see above
scotty - don't trust him, gut feleing, folsk, those are important! !
jjj - don't trust him as much as i'd liek , see scotty!
Some people are looking to make me an easy loser. I'm the ultimate winner.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Glorfindel is always nicer than a puppy.
Golden wrote: I agree. Let glorf be glorf.
I was wondering if it was just me having issues.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm voting now because the site keeps crashing and I don't want it to happen when it's too late. Russtifinko and timmer.
DrWilgy directed a comment at LoRab. I had just posted ISO-links and glanced through, so I knew LoRab hadn't posted yet.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Talk about the other points I made. I'll give you some direct questions:Metalmarsh89 wrote:No, it's supposed to be a can. But for those of you calling it counterproductive, how do you interpret my reasoning for it? Why do you consider it vote-worthy?
I voted for prefects on my way out the door for a camping trip. I didn't know how the lynches were going to work, and I guess I had a different mindset when I returned. Additionally, I wanted to duel Wilgy. Had there been no duels, I don't think I'd have voted Wilgy.
Why did you bring up LoRab when you conversed with Wilgy?
Do you think it's fair for people to suspect that you and Wilgy are both buckets of WIFOM and that his painting you as his team mate shouldn't just be discarded?
Why did you want to duel Wilgy?
Did you want to duel Scotty?
Were you trying to capitalize on me being called a baddie by the messenger town role at the start of Day 2?
Who are your suspects?
Do you prefer green beans or wax beans? Is this the interrogation room?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Nope, I think it's all of us...Golden wrote:I was wondering if it was just me having issues.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'm voting now because the site keeps crashing and I don't want it to happen when it's too late. Russtifinko and timmer.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Glorfindel is always nicer than a puppy.
Golden wrote: I agree. Let glorf be glorf.
But what kind of beans do you like in your bean soup?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I prefer green beans for eating. Wax beans don't sound appetizing. This is the Interrogation Chamber.
This (and the other similar things you've said) is a fair point. Dom can act zany and it might be alignment non-indicative or even civ-indicative. Still, I haven't liked his behavior in general, what with his odd statements of suspicion and apparent inconsistencies. I'll hold off on voting him for now though.MovingPictures07 wrote:For folks who played Transistor when zebra was acting "weird", ignoring people's requests for elaborating upon her actions, and talking like a cheerleader or something, Dom is that this game. This is a BS lynch.
I like red beans personally.Turnip Head wrote:But what kind of beans do you like in your bean soup?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I prefer green beans for eating. Wax beans don't sound appetizing. This is the Interrogation Chamber.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
If this was your logic, I would have expected to see you put a vote on timmer, who didn't even vote for himself. Why not?Spacedaisy wrote:I have in no way caught up. I decided to cast a vote for a couple people for self voted. When I looked at who self voted there were three, so then I looked at who they voted for other than themselves and I found that of the three Bullz only voted for himself. Therefore I voted for the two guys who self voted and yet still voted for someone else too.
Voted bwt and Bass.
Sorry for being such suck, but I am nearly done moving most of my crap and Psych just ended. So it will get better here.
This is expected you voted for those who self-voted because they were voting randomly. This point is moot if it's not where you were coming from.Quin wrote:If this was your logic, I would have expected to see you put a vote on timmer, who didn't even vote for himself. Why not?Spacedaisy wrote:I have in no way caught up. I decided to cast a vote for a couple people for self voted. When I looked at who self voted there were three, so then I looked at who they voted for other than themselves and I found that of the three Bullz only voted for himself. Therefore I voted for the two guys who self voted and yet still voted for someone else too.
Voted bwt and Bass.
Sorry for being such suck, but I am nearly done moving most of my crap and Psych just ended. So it will get better here.
okay, I obviously don't have enough time to respond to all of this, but you're on the wrong track here. I'm civ and although I'm trying to not be as uncertain/wishy-washy as I often get in trouble for, I have been mostly piggybacking on other people's (mostly JJJ's) ideas and as usual my opinions often change while reading everyone else's posts. So my suspicions have been somewhat strong but usually based on other people's cases, and I can be fairly easily swayed to a different line of thinking.MovingPictures07 wrote:Alright, here's another random observation I thought of: nutella is reminding me of myself when I'm bad. I appreciate her contributions, but they've been devoid of actual substance and too go-with-the-flowy. See the below post:
MM, Dom, and Russ are the 'hot button' candidates right now, and Bubbles is a semi-hot one. That's not particularly inspiring in and of itself, but then check out the orange stuff.nutella wrote:Top candidates for my votes are MM, Dom, and maybe Russ or Bubbles. MM is looking more and more suspicious to me, I already bought JJJ's case and now all of MM's responses are rather disturbingly cavalier and many of his recent posts I have found suspicious in and of themselves. Earlier I said I didn't like either Dom's or Bubbles' votes; I'm pretty convinced that Bubbles is being her usual self but that doesn't preclude her being bad. Dom is just being incredibly annoying and not really providing sufficient content imo due to his obnoxious posting gimmick, and I am still perplexed by his voting behavior. And I'm keeping Russ on my list as well, since he hasn't given me a great impression overall, and I look forward to seeing what he has to contribute today.
Speaking of contributing, there are numerous players I would love to hear more from. INH, Niju, Bullz, Dunny, Timmer... where you at?
So what's wrong with the orange stuff?
1) Very strong, assertive language, like "pretty convinced", "incredibly annoying", "disturbingly cavalier", "more and more suspicious", especially given a lack of substantive reasons for those strong opinions.
2) The fact that she is OK voting for Dom because he is "just being incredibly annoying".
3) The fact that she is OK voting for Russ for such a vague reason.
4) The fact that she is OK voting for Bubbles for, again, essentially a non-reason.
nutella, please elaborate. I'm concerned. I don't understand what makes your views of these players any more alarming than most of the rest of the players in the game, considering that none of their behavior also fits your descriptions for voting those three candidates (like 'precludes from being bad', 'usual self', 'not really providing sufficient content', etc.
A few questions for you as well:
1) What other posters in the game have provided more sufficient content than Dom?
2) What content can you find in Dom's posts? Because I can find some, even if it isn't strongly supported. Let's compare.
3) Which posts of MM's are "suspicious in and of themselves" and why?
Oh, and that that yellow stuff? That's the kicker to what's reminding me of myself when bad. I love throwing out those lines.
Furthermore, and again we're on meta here, nutella has a VERY strong and consistent meta phenomenon. She is always incredibly unsure of herself when she's civilian. See Bullets Over Broadway. She's conducting herself with confidence and incredibly strong language and assertive statements without wavering. That's not only suspicious at face value because she provides no substantive backing for those statements and is piggybacking onto the three people with the most heat going into this phase, but additional cause for concern from a meta level.
I'd call nutella moderately suspicious and more worthy of a lynch than Dom, MM, and Russ easily. Again, feels like a pretty d1-ish case, but I think there's some real potential here even if it's far from a slam dunk. What do you folks think? What's agreeable or disagreeable in my assessment?
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Glorfindel is always nicer than a puppy.
Golden wrote: I agree. Let glorf be glorf.
Basic strategy. When a player gets hit with a case, I don't think it's ideal for that player to be defended until after he/she has spoken for him/herself. I have no idea what you might say and I'd prefer to let that happen; it can help to substantiate a read ideally.MacDougall wrote:MP I often use meta as a tool when hunting Mafia and trust my own ability to see when players are sticking to or manipulating the perception of their own meta. I also think the vast majority of players have poor grasp of how it works in execution so I usually don't like it being used by others when I see it.
Also it is interesting that Jimmy decided to sit on his hands. He he knows and has documented me as a meta player in his lists. He could have at least stated an opinion on the subject but chose to wait. Why Jimmy?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote ages ago on RYM wrote:Strengths: Mac is one of the premier players on RYM when it comes to metagaming. This has been an oft-crticized means of acquiring suspects, but Mac's play is essentially all the evidence I need to feel differently. He has a very thorough perception of pretty much all the frequent players, and he knows what to expect from them in various scenarios. I am also a big fan of his aggressive style, because regardless of his alignment it is always a sure means of producing content in the game thread. People are provoked by him, and they cannot resist (should not resist) the instinct to respond to his accusations or his theories. Especially early in the game, Mac often is the game, in that his influence creates most of what everyone else attempts to scrutinize. In my opinion, that is the definition of productive town play. He has clearly become very proficient at using this to his advantage as scum too. He is one of the most difficult players on RYM to lynch, both because of his perceived value as a townie, and his ability to coerce the town to fear him (or the prospect of lynching him) when he is anti-town. He often makes bold gambles as scum, and they often work.
Me too, but I thought it was just my internet connection again.Boomslang wrote:Yeah, site has been a bit wonky for me as well in recent minutes. Following up my previous vote for MM and casting a shot at Jan to hopefully bring more attention for tomorrow.
And I'm not even self-voting.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All-time self-voting record is getting shattered in this game.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?
The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
Hi there.DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Goin Russ + Timmer