RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

[Marmot]

I have a little tinfoil worry about an MM/Wilgy 2.0 scum team, because MM has been willing to vote reywaS but not Wilgy.

I'm not opposed to a Wilgy lynch. I've been observing the same behavior from you wert reywaS.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have a little tinfoil worry about an MM/Wilgy 2.0 scum team, because MM has been willing to vote reywaS but not Wilgy.

I'm not opposed to a Wilgy lynch. I've been observing the same behavior from you wert reywaS.

I may have talked myself into reywaS anyway with that Transistor comparison.

[Sloonei]

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If this tally ends in a tie between the game's most active player and its least active player.

[Marmot]

But at this point, the one factor that makes me lean reywaS over Wilgy is that Wilgy is here and reywaS is not.

I am curious though about a hypothetical situation. What happens in when one mafia member remains, wins the game for his team, but doesn't get the win because he was inactive and didn't meet the activity requirements. Who wins?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

Time is limited, so please try to process this quickly.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am curious though about a hypothetical situation. What happens in when one mafia member remains, wins the game for his team, but doesn't get the win because he was inactive and didn't meet the activity requirements. Who wins?

I'd assume his dead team mates would win without him.

[Marmot]

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

I'm town, dude. Townread me plz.

Linki: What if it is a situation where you must be alive to win?

[Sloonei]

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

Time is limited, so please try to process this quickly.

I like this and all, but what if you two are teammates?

Also I'm guessing the Wilgy and reywaS cases are centered around inactivity?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What if it is a situation where you must be alive to win?

Spoiler: show

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

Time is limited, so please try to process this quickly.

I like this and all, but what if you two are teammates?

Also I'm guessing the Wilgy and reywaS cases are centered around inactivity?

I didn't build "cases". They're my top suspects because they're the only ones I can't town read. That's how PoE works.

Obviously you can sit there all day worrying about an MM/JJJ team if that's your inclination, but it's wrong. Recall the end of Day 1 at least and ask yourself if the interaction between MM and I then was team mate behavior.

[Marmot]

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

Time is limited, so please try to process this quickly.

I like this and all, but what if you two are teammates?

Also I'm guessing the Wilgy and reywaS cases are centered around inactivity?

I made a mini-case on MP/reywaS.

Jay may have done something similar for Wilgs.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Wilgy 2.0 stuff

[Sloonei]

has there been any nightkill analysis? reywaS appears to be entirely absent, and Wilgy has not been terribly active either, but if they're supposed to be the scum team then one of them has to be submitting the kills. Wilgy's activity does suggest he's consistently been around, at least.

While I'm not going to say I have a scum read on Beck/Quin 2.0, I would hesitate to immediately slap a town read on them. While I liked Beck's early participation, that would have been a fairly easy meta fake, and it's also possible that Quin's burst of activity when he first subbed back in (which I've only glanced at) was a result of him having lots to say about his first life in the game. This is not immediately relevant though, since I have no intention of spinning an uninformed case against anyone in the final 20 minutes. But it's a thought.

[Sloonei]

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

Time is limited, so please try to process this quickly.

I like this and all, but what if you two are teammates?

Also I'm guessing the Wilgy and reywaS cases are centered around inactivity?

I made a mini-case on MP/reywaS.

Jay may have done something similar for Wilgs.

This I like for some reason.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

has there been any nightkill analysis? reywaS appears to be entirely absent, and Wilgy has not been terribly active either, but if they're supposed to be the scum team then one of them has to be submitting the kills. Wilgy's activity does suggest he's consistently been around, at least.

While I'm not going to say I have a scum read on Beck/Quin 2.0, I would hesitate to immediately slap a town read on them. While I liked Beck's early participation, that would have been a fairly easy meta fake, and it's also possible that Quin's burst of activity when he first subbed back in (which I've only glanced at) was a result of him having lots to say about his first life in the game. This is not immediately relevant though, since I have no intention of spinning an uninformed case against anyone in the final 20 minutes. But it's a thought.

I disqualified Wilgy 2.0 from SK contention because S~V~S couldn't send the Night 1 kill. MM disqualified reywaS from SK contention because he probably couldn't submit the Night 2 kill. Otherwise those slots have been active to work as a scum team. MP was here on Night 1. Wilgy 2.0 was here on Night 2.

You could be right about Quin 2.0. My town read on him is purely face value.

[Sloonei]

reywaS

[Epignosis]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

[Sloonei]

Epi, was my vote relevant to your vote? Or is it just coincidence that you waited until immediately after I voted to cast yours?

[Marmot]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

Now that is interesting.

[Epignosis]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

[Sloonei]

Quin you Australian nincompoop, wake up!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Unless Quin appears and decides to break the tie, I'm in a 50/50 spot to be lynched at what would likely be LyLo-eve if so. Once I flip town, you motherf***kers better step off your strategic ethnocentrism and listen to the trail of information left behind by both Golden and I.

[Sloonei]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

That is a peculiar strategy. Why are you using it?

[Sloonei]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

That is a peculiar strategy. Why are you using it?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.

[Epignosis]

Epi, was my vote relevant to your vote? Or is it just coincidence that you waited until immediately after I voted to cast yours?

I didn't see your vote. I just ran back in here from outside (the fire alarm has gone off twice today). I was afraid I wouldn't get to change my vote in time.

[Epignosis]

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.

The same flipping reason anybody would kill either of them: You need them dead to win.

[Sloonei]

Epi, was my vote relevant to your vote? Or is it just coincidence that you waited until immediately after I voted to cast yours?

I didn't see your vote. I just ran back in here from outside (the fire alarm has gone off twice today). I was afraid I wouldn't get to change my vote in time.

Were the fire alarm the "fun" thing you alluded to then?

[Epignosis]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

That is a peculiar strategy. Why are you using it?

What makes it peculiar?

[Epignosis]

Epi, was my vote relevant to your vote? Or is it just coincidence that you waited until immediately after I voted to cast yours?

I didn't see your vote. I just ran back in here from outside (the fire alarm has gone off twice today). I was afraid I wouldn't get to change my vote in time.

Were the fire alarm the "fun" thing you alluded to then?

There wasn't anything fun about that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.

The same flipping reason anybody would kill either of them: You need them dead to win.

That's incredibly weak. Adjust your methods next game.

[Epignosis]

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.

The same flipping reason anybody would kill either of them: You need them dead to win.

That's incredibly weak. Adjust your methods next game.

We'll see how weak they are, Mr. "Don't lynch Scotty please and thank you."

[Sloonei]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

That is a peculiar strategy. Why are you using it?

What makes it peculiar?

Why would you not simply want to lynch the person most likely to be mafia or most likely to be the serial killer? It seems you are thinning out or weakening your suspicions by trying to potentially lynch them both. You can only lynch one player at a time. Why not focus on one role?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.

The same flipping reason anybody would kill either of them: You need them dead to win.

That's incredibly weak. Adjust your methods next game.

We'll see how weak they are, Mr. "Don't lynch Scotty please and thank you."

It's not even rationale. It's a refusal to think. "You killed them because anyone would kill them".

No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't kill them. It should be obvious why. I don't need every townie dead to win, I need to outnumber them if I'm mafia. If I'm a SK, I don't kill the ones who would be preventing my lynch. Stupid.

[Marmot]

What's difficult to get past is that we're only on Day 3, we've mislynched one player, and yet we might be one mislynch away from LYLO.

[Epignosis]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

That is a peculiar strategy. Why are you using it?

What makes it peculiar?

Why would you not simply want to lynch the person most likely to be mafia or most likely to be the serial killer? It seems you are thinning out or weakening your suspicions by trying to potentially lynch them both. You can only lynch one player at a time. Why not focus on one role?

Because you catch serial killers by luck. Even if I'm wrong that 3J is mafia, there's a chance he's a serial killer. If you're wrong about reywaS, you're probably not getting the serial killer.

[Marmot]

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.

The same flipping reason anybody would kill either of them: You need them dead to win.

That's incredibly weak. Adjust your methods next game.

We'll see how weak they are, Mr. "Don't lynch Scotty please and thank you."

Remember that one time that Jay tried to steer us away from lynching MacDougall in Talking Heads?

I'd like to lynch Jay too, but I think Sloonei looks worse from the Day 1 lynch than Jay does.

[Sloonei]

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

That is a peculiar strategy. Why are you using it?

What makes it peculiar?

Why would you not simply want to lynch the person most likely to be mafia or most likely to be the serial killer? It seems you are thinning out or weakening your suspicions by trying to potentially lynch them both. You can only lynch one player at a time. Why not focus on one role?

Because you catch serial killers by luck. Even if I'm wrong that 3J is mafia, there's a chance he's a serial killer. If you're wrong about reywaS, you're probably not getting the serial killer.

I do not agree that we catch serial killers purely by luck.

[Epignosis]

How do you catch them? Enlighten me.

[Sloonei]

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Tell me why I killed either Golden or Ricochet.

The same flipping reason anybody would kill either of them: You need them dead to win.

That's incredibly weak. Adjust your methods next game.

We'll see how weak they are, Mr. "Don't lynch Scotty please and thank you."

Remember that one time that Jay tried to steer us away from lynching MacDougall in Talking Heads?

I'd like to lynch Jay too, but I think Sloonei looks worse from the Day 1 lynch than Jay does.

Let's lynch Sloonei then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Remember that one time that Jay tried to steer us away from lynching MacDougall in Talking Heads?

I'd like to lynch Jay too, but I think Sloonei looks worse from the Day 1 lynch than Jay does.

He who steers the thread shall be hailed as a champion for every victory and shunned as an outcast for every failure.

- JaggedJimmyJay, approx 2016 AD

[Marmot]

Because you catch serial killers by luck. Even if I'm wrong that 3J is mafia, there's a chance he's a serial killer. If you're wrong about reywaS, you're probably not getting the serial killer.

Epignosis is full of good points, and this is one of them.

Linki: CFD Sloonei!

[Sloonei]

How do you catch them? Enlighten me.

by investigating and looking for clues about serial killerdom.

[Marmot]

Serial killers take time to hunt. We haven't got time.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm trying to illustrate why I make no sense as a SK, but people are so unwilling to listen to anything about night kill selection that I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Golden was my fiercest ally in this thread and wouldn't have voted for me 99 times out of 100 today. To kill him would be asinine.

Ricochet was following Golden's vote to make his snarky point about PoE, and to follow Golden's vote is to vote for someone other than me. To kill him would be asinine.

Apparently I am one of those SKs who likes getting lynched.

[Epignosis]

How do you know the Golden and Ricochet kills were the serial killer kills?

[Marmot]

I'm trying to illustrate why I make no sense as a SK, but people are so unwilling to listen to anything about night kill selection that I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

Stop making sense!