RED vs. BLUE: Endgame

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"I did an ISO of the ISO."

Good one.

[Golden]

Look at Golden's assessment of what I've done. Has he shown respect for my methods? No.

I have respect for all methods, but if you give no respect you get none from me. That's not a lack of respect for your methods, it's a lack of respect for the way you are expressing yourself about them.

You apologised, that is respectful. I apologise back.

To be clear - not only do I have respect for your methods, I find them to be quite successful. For you. I wouldn't expect you to change your methods, something I think I acknowledged very early (I acknowledged I didn't expect rico to change his, either, but he seemed just as annoyed about me having a different approach). All I ask is that you don't look down on me or others for using methods that are different to yours.

I believe you are suspecting Jay in this game more for his methods than for him being bad. Maybe I'm wrong about that - if I am, call me out for it. But it doesn't feel like I am. And I don't know what to make of that, or whether to think I should say 'thats just epi' or 'epi is blowing smoke and he is bad'.

[Golden]

OK, rey was bad. That's brilliant. That makes things a lot better.

I think wilgy is probably the last one. Could be MM, but probably Wilgy.

[Golden]

Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jeb! is a mess.

You forgot the !

The only time MP or reywaS acknowledged another human being in this game.

[Epignosis]

Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

3J is the serial killer.

[Sloonei]

Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

I'm like 95% of the way there.

[Marmot]

Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

No way! I'm on a roll this game.

[Golden]

Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

3J is the serial killer.

I haven't by any measure looked into hunting for a serial killer, or read Jay's analysis. But, I will say that my views on Jay mostly extend to him not being mafia. I could see him playing his town game as sk. So it is possible.

I also am not ruling out town vig until the mafia is dead and the game hasn't ended. Although, G-Man, would we find out if that was the case?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The biggest advantage of this lynch is that it is impossible for Day 4 to be a LyLo phase (barring unseen nonsense up G-Man's sleeve). Worst-case scenario two townies die, which leaves us at a likely 4 vs. 1 vs. 1.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This is my exploration of the possibility of a vigilante, Golden. Lemme know if you agree/disagree with any assertions made.

Spoiler: show

Let's play Is This Guy a Town Vigilante???

DrWilgy 2.0 -- replaced S~V~S, who was unable to deliver a kill. Nope.

Epignosis -- Presence makes it possible, but I don't know why he'd vigilante kill any of the people who were killed. He'd have probably offed me a while ago. He also entertained me as a SK candidate. Nope.

insertnamehere -- He was willing to entertain the idea of Epi or MM being a SK. Nope.

Metalmarsh89 -- He entertained Wilgy 2.0 as a vigilante. Nope.

Quin 2.0 -- I have no idea why he'd kill either Rico or Golden. He's also done a little SK-hunting. Nope.

These people have considered someone else for either a vigilante role or for a serial killer role. This means they are theorizing about the origins of the extra night kills, which should imply that they didn't innocently commit them themselves. I don't see how these people can be vigilantes, unless they are taking "no infodumping" to a hyper-extreme where they even pretend to suspect other people of having their own role.

Spoiler: show

leetic -- Technically plausible. The only suspicion he has cast was on me, I'd expect to be dead. Probably nope.

reywaS -- May not have logged in recently enough for a Night 2 kill. Probably nope.

Sloonei -- I have no idea why he'd kill either Rico or Golden. Probably nope.

I cannot unequivocally reject these three as possibile vigilantes. For them I have to make a judgment call. I don't think Sloonei would have killed either Golden or Ricochet, even with Rico requesting it. Sloonei doesn't use his town power role for anything other than what he feels is best for his team.

reywaS could be a vigilante if he's been around at all lately, but I know I haven't seen him. I doubt it.

leetic is the only one that makes me go "hmmmm". It's plausible. He's been present on both nights I believe. I wish he'd get into this dang thread and say something.

[insertnamehere]

Personally, I think Golden's claim about Epi suspecting 3J, "because he disagrees with his methods" is utter hogwash.

Then again, I believe that the only difference between how 3J/Golden and everyone else plays the game is a combination of apathy towards lynched civilians, complete and utter conviction in reads that will never be doubted for a second, (that last one describes Golden more than 3J) and an air of superiority.

So what do I know?

and lol at 3J calling everyone who doesn't like PoE's "clueless" people who just DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, MAN!

[insertnamehere]

JaggedJimmyJay bussed Reywas for civ cred. Discuss.

Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

3J is the serial killer.

I'd believe either of those possibilities over 3J being civ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

an air of superiority.

I'm pretty sure the problem here is that everyone thinks everyone else is being arrogant in some way or another -- either by being too steadfast in their methods, or too quick to discard someone else's.

Let's just agree that we're all garbage players and move on with our lives.

[Marmot]

Jay's vote was self-preservation. The idea that he bussed reywaS is unimportant considering reywaS was completely inactive and Jay was leading the lynch otherwise. It was the obvious choice no matter how you look at it if Jay is his partner.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay bussed Reywas for civ cred. Discuss.

Can we move on from Jay being bad now? Anyone? Beuller?

3J is the serial killer.

I'd believe either of those possibilities over 3J being civ.

Now wait a minute. The premise of your rage before was that I have been steering the game toward the civilians' doom -- that I've been making bad decisions that are detrimental to the town. We now know that at least my most recent decision was a good one, so what's your beef now?

[Golden]

Personally, I think Golden's claim about Epi suspecting 3J, "because he disagrees with his methods" is utter hogwash.

Then again, I believe that the only difference between how 3J/Golden and everyone else plays the game is a combination of apathy towards lynched civilians, complete and utter conviction in reads that will never be doubted for a second, (that last one describes Golden more than 3J) and an air of superiority.

So what do I know?

and lol at 3J calling everyone who doesn't like PoE's "clueless" people who just DON'T UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT, MAN!

One thing you don't know, is you don't know me very well yet. I'm sure it will come in time.

[Marmot]

With reywaS gone, this does seem to eliminate Golden/leetic from being mafia, because both players were presumably MIA last night.

[Marmot]

That's a relief, one less Mafia Champion to tinfoil. :P

[Golden]

That's a relief, one less Mafia Champion to tinfoil. :P

[Golden]

@Jay - I think the idea you posit that the SK wouldn't theorise who the SK/vig is holds merit, especially early, as a starting point. I will try to look into it myself at an opportune time, because I do think it's possible that the real SK would get into such theorising if it became popular (I know I would probably try to be an early adopter, but I think most people wouldn't, but I want to look to see if any of them strike me as less genuine). Also, sloonei is currently my tinfoil SK read before reading your post, and this meshes.

[Marmot]

I'm having another drink. This flippy-floppy is such great news!

[Golden]

PS, inh, its time you stop thinking quin was a 'read that I would never doubt for a second'.

I didn't have an unbudgeable baddie read on quin.

I had a determination that he was the right person to lynch no matter how he flipped. I still don't think you understand my point that Quin was going to be lynched this game... my intent was to just get it out of the way and learn as much as we could early. It would have only served to prolong discussion about him to another day if not. And besides, the alternate was somebody whose game I know pretty well.

These two things are entirely different and I think it's entirely effected the way you perceive me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Jay - I think the idea you posit that the SK wouldn't theorise who the SK/vig is holds merit, especially early, as a starting point. I will try to look into it myself at an opportune time, because I do think it's possible that the real SK would get into such theorising if it became popular (I know I would probably try to be an early adopter, but I think most people wouldn't, but I want to look to see if any of them strike me as less genuine). Also, sloonei is currently my tinfoil SK read before reading your post, and this meshes.

I want to ensure I am understood correctly: I do think a SK would be willing to theorize about who a SK might be -- that's just typical deception. What I mean is that a town vigilante wouldn't theorize about other people being SKs or vigilantes -- they already know the extra kills are their responsibility and don't need to guess at why they happened. That was my method of eliminating people from contention for being a town vigilante, therein enabling me to assert more confidently that a serial killer actually exists.

A lot of people could be a serial killer. I think the kills implicate INH the most. They also implicate MM, though I liked his own vig/SK hunting.

[Sloonei]

Rainbow list:
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Golden
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
Metalmarsh
Quin

[Golden]

Oh, sorry jay - read it in a hurry and didn't get the distinction. I definitely agree with that re town vig - town vig's ideally want to stay hidden and not engage with talk about their role. But I also think that the SK wouldn't opt to start SK talk and would stay away from it unless it became a thing, so I think early adopters might be looking a little better.

I really do think I was the mafia kill (even more so now, given the PoE looks like it's turning out to have worked fine), so I'm thinking rico was the vig/sk kill. Does that help at all?

I'd need to do more analysis, but I'm not convinced its inh (despite the fact he doesn't like me very much ). Sloonei seems more likely to me. But in any event we should probably take wilgy first.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DrWilgy 2.0 said nothing about MP/reywaS.

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Epignosis:

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MP is doing his normal "I'm busy" crap, disappearing in the middle of the night. I tend to read that as bad. He's getting more in the line of "no-show" as we have in the game.

Scotty tends to view MP's "normal I'm busy crap" as bad, which leads me to believe MP is not, since it is clear that Scotty was not genuine about trying a new thing and not voting a no poster. He even reneged on that later, leaving his vote on leetic.

If reywaS hasn't been around, then he can't be the serial killer, but that also means that, if he's bad, he hasn't been around to kill in the capacity of mafia either. Someone else would have to be doing the killing.

DrWilgy has been ruled out as the serial killer too.

An ideal lynch will land on someone who could be either killer. 3J, you fit that criteria, but I'd rather talk than tunnel.

Looking over your list, there's some mild overlap. MM and INH are both possible mafia and the most likely to be serial killers, according to you. If you were to vote one of the two, which one would it be, and why?

The people I most want to hear from are either not present (reywaS, INH) or aren't saying anything substantial (Wilgy).

I doubt you're going to hear from rey. From my experience, he comes in happy as hell to play or sub in, and then fucks off elsewhere. I don't get it. He's been that way forever.

INH has been around and has participated. Why won't he say anything?

DrWilgy I won't pretend to understand. He's Vompatti's cousin.

Well, that was fun. I'm voting JaggedJimmyJay.

That's how bad civilians are on this site.

What is your gripe with a reywaS lynch?

I told you. I'm more interested in lynching someone who could be either mafia or serial killer. I don't think reywaS or DrWilgy are the latter. You could be either one.

Epi didn't really discuss MP/reywaS much. The content that does exist is slightly in MP's favor, or unenthusiastic about a reywaS lynch. The reason he cites: wanting to kill someone with dual mafia/SK candidacy, isn't an unreasonable one. I'm not a fan of his attempt to squeeze me into a SK's body using overly simplistic rationale so he could justify voting for me instead of rey. I grant the potential for personal bias here.

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leetic (Golden 2.0) said nothing about MP/reywaS.

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insertnamehere:

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I'm saying that I find you the most suspicious out of anyone. I'm not trying to distance myself at all here. If I'm wrong, I'm willing to accept the consequences. Though I doubt I'm wrong.

Sure, whatever. Let's talk about something else. We need to make use of you while you're here and posting. What do you think of reywaS and DrWilgy?

Rey I have a complete non-read on.

Wilgy is Wilgy. He hasn't seemed any less Wilgy this Wilgy as opposed to old Wilgy.

And with that hot take, I'm gonna sign off for the night. I realize I wasn't around today or yesterday a lot, but it was a holiday weekend.

Will post more in the morning.

I said I'd rather lynch Wilgy or reywaS. Are you unwilling to consider those votes, INH?

Wilgy 2.0 seems more or less the same as Wilgy 1.0 to me. Rey I have a complete non-impression of.

Why would I vote for either one of them over someone I've suspected for the last two days?

I said I'd rather lynch Wilgy or reywaS. Are you unwilling to consider those votes, INH?

Wilgy 2.0 seems more or less the same as Wilgy 1.0 to me. Rey I have a complete non-impression of.

Why would I vote for either one of them over someone I've suspected for the last two days?

It may be a self-preservation option for you. They must be in your suspect pool even if you cannot actively suspect them.

I mean, if votes were piling onto me, and nobody else found you suspicious at all, I'd consider possibly placing a self-preservation vote on either of them. Hopefully, circumstances don't force me to that point.

Wilgy and Rey are only in my suspect pool purely in a PoE, "everyone I don't townread I find suspicious" sense.

I think the baddies are more likely to be movers and shakers as opposed to inactives, but that's mainly based on gut than anything concrete.

I do believe that they represent a nice spectral figure for you to draw attention towards and hopefully away from yourself. If I desperately wanted to change the in-thread conversation, I could certainly do worse than leading a charge against inactives. There's no way anybody can really trust them, so it's unlikely anyone will attempt to mount a defense. Plus, it's not like they're going to show up and challenge you.

The above passage is mostly WIFOM funny business, but you yourself are always championing the ol' Wine in Front of Me. I figured I might as well give it a shot.

When INH spoke of reywaS, it was just to acknowledge that he had no read. The second post seems the most meaningful to me, as it was his rationale for eventually voting for me instead of reywaS. The reason provided is consistent with the strategy he has claimed to favor in this game. The result is uninspiring.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

so I'm thinking rico was the vig/sk kill.

Gun to my head I'd make the same assumption. He asked for it after all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My concern that INH has been counting on me getting lynched is compounded now that a new development which should at least make him doubt his read on me more has instead caused him to double-down.

[Marmot]

I'm inclined to think DrWilgy is the last mafia. This was all he had to say after reywaS flipped the first time.

Jay and Epi are bad. GG.

But the thing is, several players looked so... sincere. Epignosis got riled up and called Golden a dingus. I've already pointed out why I think Golden isn't mafia. Jay looked good before the true flip. inh looked alright.

On the other hand, Sloonei looked so-so, and if I'm wrong about Wilgy, Sloonei is another guess for mafia. Quin is possible too. Quin had very little to say after reywaS flipped civilian, and just as little to say after reywaS flipped bad. On the flipside, he had a lot to say before the day ended.

So my rainbow list for mafia looks like this:

Golden
Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
Sloonei
Quin 2.0
DrWilgy

[Marmot]

But this is DrWilgy afterall. I suppose I shouldn't be expecting oodles of posts by any means.

[Sloonei]

I'm inclined to think DrWilgy is the last mafia. This was all he had to say after reywaS flipped the first time.

Jay and Epi are bad. GG.

But the thing is, several players looked so... sincere. Epignosis got riled up and called Golden a dingus. I've already pointed out why I think Golden isn't mafia. Jay looked good before the true flip. inh looked alright.

On the other hand, Sloonei looked so-so, and if I'm wrong about Wilgy, Sloonei is another guess for mafia. Quin is possible too. Quin had very little to say after reywaS flipped civilian, and just as little to say after reywaS flipped bad. On the flipside, he had a lot to say before the day ended.

So my rainbow list for mafia looks like this:

Golden
Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
Sloonei
Quin 2.0
DrWilgy

If I could toot my own horn for a moment, I think I've played an integral part in lynching both the dead bad guys so far. Toot toot.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Metalmarsh89:

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My first impressions.

Jay, Beck, MP are civilians.

Epignosis and Ricochet are mafia.

My first impressions.

Jay, Beck, MP are civilians.

Epignosis and Ricochet are mafia.

I like stances. Can you describe those feelings somehow?

You are a marvel and a king. Beck is willing to ask his questions to the thread (as opposed to looking for bts help). MP is a gut feeling.

Epignosis made his first post with a smiley. Last game I saw him as mafia, he roleplayed as his zodiac sign, and used that smiley in every post.

Ricochet... Law of averages suggests that he is mafia, amiright?

I'm going to disagree for the sake of disagreeing.

Why did you vote for Wilgy?

Jay, you listed reywas lower on each of these lists, why did you then vote for DrWilgy?

I could vote reywaS too. Wilgy's current vote is more suspicious than reywaS doing nothing so I voted there. I think it's more important to pursue the mafia today, not the SK.

I don't think reywaS as an SK or a vig. He hasn't been online in a few days.

Could be. I'm pretty comfortable in those two being mafia. I like that you're willing to remove him from SK contention after I'd labeled you a top SK candidate. What do you think of INH as a SK candidate?

I'm not willing to make the assumption that there is an SK. Every player that has been nightkilled has been a vig candidate to an extent.

But like you, I'm more interested in lynching mafia first and foremost.

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Let's take a look at MP/reywaS.

MP is doing his normal "I'm busy" crap, disappearing in the middle of the night. I tend to read that as bad. He's getting more in the line of "no-show" as we have in the game.

I'm coming back to this comprehensive read of players that Scotty gave us. Scotty calls out MP for giving his usual "I'm busy" crap and calling him bad for it. His thoughts on MP are also incomplete. "He's getting more in the line of 'no-show' as we have in the game". Looks a bit thrown together, but I'm not sure if that's important.

Anywho, so Scotty accuses MP of being busy and suspects him. Thing is, MP had 4 posts before this, and never really said he was busy. He gave us this I'll be spotty bit. Additionally, about 50 minutes after Scotty posted this read of MP, MP himself came in and told us he's been extremely busy.

As for inh being a SK candidate, he is prime SK material for sure. But I'm not willing to lynch him today.

This is just generally speaking, not because of what inh has done in this game. :P

Linki: this^

Is there anyone you feel is not a prime SK candidate?

Yes! Everyone that can be ruled out of performing a nightkill based on inactivity.

That includes S~V~S/DrWilgy 2.0 and MovingPictures/reywaS.

I'mma put my vote on reywaS moT.

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Bottom of the rainbow.

I don't really know what to talk about, so I'm just gonna hang out and drink.

You seem to like Wilgy slightly more than reywaS. Why?

In a LYLO situation, I'd rather have DrWilgy around than an MIA reywaS.

Vote reywaS

I have a little tinfoil worry about an MM/Wilgy 2.0 scum team, because MM has been willing to vote reywaS but not Wilgy.

I'm not opposed to a Wilgy lynch. I've been observing the same behavior from you wert reywaS.

But at this point, the one factor that makes me lean reywaS over Wilgy is that Wilgy is here and reywaS is not.

I am curious though about a hypothetical situation. What happens in when one mafia member remains, wins the game for his team, but doesn't get the win because he was inactive and didn't meet the activity requirements. Who wins?

Why is MM a town read? I know he voted for Scotty day 1, but I'm not sure I'd count that as enough to read him as town.

Time is limited, so please try to process this quickly.

I like this and all, but what if you two are teammates?

Also I'm guessing the Wilgy and reywaS cases are centered around inactivity?

I made a mini-case on MP/reywaS.

Jay may have done something similar for Wilgs.

He got off to an iffy start, but I think it gets progressively better for MM to the point of making him look like a shining beacon of virtue. The stuff between the VVVVs and ^^^^s is especially pleasing. I don't think MM is scum.

[Golden]

My concern that INH has been counting on me getting lynched is compounded now that a new development which should at least make him doubt his read on me more has instead caused him to double-down.

If anything, it makes me think of that ISO you showed me.

I'm sad about inh's response. I'm used to good-natured tunnelling (Matt ) but I'm not used to feeling like someone is genuinely hurt by my playstyle. I don't really get it. But in this game, there are two people who seem to have played the entire game just being mad at me. (Rico is the other, not epi. Epi may be stubborn, but he plays clean and he'd have a beer with you after.) I don't understand.

This is especially highlighted by the fact the PoE appears to have turned out to be correct. There really were good reasons to town read everyone else. That doesn't happen often to such an extreme but it did this game.

I think I've come to the view that inh just believes he is right and is the kind of person who is not to be dissuaded once he has a strong read.

linki @sloonei - good tooting!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I could toot my own horn for a moment, I think I've played an integral part in lynching both the dead bad guys so far. Toot toot.

What do you think of Golden calling you a SK candidate?

[Sloonei]

If I could toot my own horn for a moment, I think I've played an integral part in lynching both the dead bad guys so far. Toot toot.

What do you think of Golden calling you a SK candidate?

Remind me who the SK has killed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think I've come to the view that inh just believes he is right and is the kind of person who is not to be dissuaded once he has a strong read.

Could be. Tunneling happens. I don't think he's mafia since I'm pretty square on that being Wilgy. I'm just looking for serial killers whose truest motive in any lynch is "lynch someone who is not me".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If I could toot my own horn for a moment, I think I've played an integral part in lynching both the dead bad guys so far. Toot toot.

What do you think of Golden calling you a SK candidate?

Remind me who the SK has killed.

I dunno. Presumably two among Boomslang, DrWilgy 1.0, Golden, and Ricochet.

[Golden]

I remember when Manu used to tear teams to shreds on day one at STV. I miss manu, he was truly amazing at this game. We all just bowed down and talked about how amazing he was. He was considered a big threat to any scum team.

I don't understand where this attitude has gone. It's like people want to be pissed off at others for being right, like it's some affront to their ability to solve the game for themselves. I miss those times.

In defence of Jay, I've never heard Jay claim he is a 'good' townie. I've never seen him try to claim that his instincts are particularly good or better than others. But Jay works hard, and uses methods that significantly increase his ability to get good reads beyond what he would be able to do on instinct alone. This works for him.

Doing that work, doing whatever he can to get himself good reads - I don't understand why we criticise this. It's not going to work for everyone, but it really works for Jay. It improves his ability to find baddies. Is this so bad?

[Quin]

G-Man, will we get a lynch poll in the poll thread soon?

[Quin]

For Day 3, I mean.

[Marmot]

This is especially highlighted by the fact the PoE appears to have turned out to be correct. There really were good reasons to town read everyone else. That doesn't happen often to such an extreme but it did this game.

I've said it before. PoE is something that I have used, just not something I've applied a label or acronym to.

It makes sense. Afterall in mafia (aside from the obvious other concurrent example), you get one lynch vote. Picking a player to vote without looking at the other candidates isn't very useful because it ignores a lot of factors. Finding methods of narrowing the vote pool smaller in smaller is something I sure other people do as well, the just have their own methods for it.

How many times do you see someone say "I'm not voting so-and-so". That's essentially PoE (assuming I'm understanding it correctly).



Anyway, Sloonei can be the SK if that makes him feel better about not being mafia.

[Sloonei]

If I could toot my own horn for a moment, I think I've played an integral part in lynching both the dead bad guys so far. Toot toot.

What do you think of Golden calling you a SK candidate?

Remind me who the SK has killed.

I dunno. Presumably two among Boomslang, DrWilgy 1.0, Golden, and Ricochet.

I'm a viable suspect. A serial killer has to kill someone every night, and I've not attracted much suspicion (that I know of) all game, so it's not like I'd have a ton of motivation to kill any one person over another. I could basically pick my targets at random. Unless there's a strategic component I'm not thinking of. When I have a third party role I usually just end up playing a town-centric game.

Which is to say I understand why someone would think it's possible for me to be the SK, but I'm not.

[Marmot]

I remember when Manu used to tear teams to shreds on day one at STV. I miss manu, he was truly amazing at this game. We all just bowed down and talked about how amazing he was. He was considered a big threat to any scum team.

I don't understand where this attitude has gone. It's like people want to be pissed off at others for being right, like it's some affront to their ability to solve the game for themselves. I miss those times.

In defence of Jay, I've never heard Jay claim he is a 'good' townie. I've never seen him try to claim that his instincts are particularly good or better than others. But Jay works hard, and uses methods that significantly increase his ability to get good reads beyond what he would be able to do on instinct alone. This works for him.

Doing that work, doing whatever he can to get himself good reads - I don't understand why we criticise this. It's not going to work for everyone, but it really works for Jay. It improves his ability to find baddies. Is this so bad?

I tried this strategy in Talking Heads. It pretty much broke me.

[Quin]

I'm inclined to think DrWilgy is the last mafia. This was all he had to say after reywaS flipped the first time.

Jay and Epi are bad. GG.

But the thing is, several players looked so... sincere. Epignosis got riled up and called Golden a dingus. I've already pointed out why I think Golden isn't mafia. Jay looked good before the true flip. inh looked alright.

On the other hand, Sloonei looked so-so, and if I'm wrong about Wilgy, Sloonei is another guess for mafia. Quin is possible too. Quin had very little to say after reywaS flipped civilian, and just as little to say after reywaS flipped bad. On the flipside, he had a lot to say before the day ended.

So my rainbow list for mafia looks like this:

Golden
Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
Sloonei
Quin 2.0
DrWilgy

I think sawyer was bussed.

[Sloonei]

I'm inclined to think DrWilgy is the last mafia. This was all he had to say after reywaS flipped the first time.

Jay and Epi are bad. GG.

But the thing is, several players looked so... sincere. Epignosis got riled up and called Golden a dingus. I've already pointed out why I think Golden isn't mafia. Jay looked good before the true flip. inh looked alright.

On the other hand, Sloonei looked so-so, and if I'm wrong about Wilgy, Sloonei is another guess for mafia. Quin is possible too. Quin had very little to say after reywaS flipped civilian, and just as little to say after reywaS flipped bad. On the flipside, he had a lot to say before the day ended.

So my rainbow list for mafia looks like this:

Golden
Epignosis
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
Sloonei
Quin 2.0
DrWilgy

I think sawyer was bussed.

by jiggyjiggyjig?

[Marmot]

Jay's vote was self-preservation. The idea that he bussed reywaS is unimportant considering reywaS was completely inactive and Jay was leading the lynch otherwise. It was the obvious choice no matter how you look at it if Jay is his partner.

[Sloonei]

or by... me?

[Sloonei]

Jay's vote was self-preservation. The idea that he bussed reywaS is unimportant considering reywaS was completely inactive and Jay was leading the lynch otherwise. It was the obvious choice no matter how you look at it if Jay is his partner.

this is definitely something i am considering.

[Golden]

You have it exactly correct, marmot.