MAD MAX: GAME OVER

#3001

Sloonei wrote:The underlined is also poppycock. It's the same argument I made against Dom when he claimed MP was buddying him early on. Having a town read =/= buddying. That's a ridiculous notion.

that is the most annoying line break ever.

#3002

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In no more than one sentence, tell my why these players are town:

Sloonei

Scotty

Quin

Sloonei - Generally I think his play has had pro-town promise in that he has put forth useful analytic material and pursued it so that his reads could affect tally results.

Scotty - He rejoined the game in a pretty crappy position but has still done an admirable job of contributing something and trying to stay productive.

Quin - At no point have I felt anything he has said is suspicious or warrants re-examination.

#3003

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In no more than one sentence, tell my why these players are town:

Sloonei - Top bloke, good egg.

Scotty - Subbed into a difficult position with pre-existing suspicion; has made an apparent effort despite obvious time constraints.

Quin - Looked good and sincere since subbing in.

RE: Quin, though, I'm starting to get some doubts just because I haven't scrutinized him much since his first 48 hours in the game. Nothing he's done jumps out at me but I owe him a better look.

#3004

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In no more than one sentence, tell my why these players are town:

Sloonei

Scotty

Quin

Sloonei: Worked hard and posts a lot/question asker.

Scotty: Notoriously easy target and replacement who has done nothing to deserve the small amount of heat he's gotten.

Quin: Reasonable, inquisitive player who has contributed to the thread.

#3005

In no more than one sentence, tell me why these players are town:

Glorfindel

insertnamehere

JaggedJimmyJay

LoRab

motel room

#3006

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In no more than one sentence, tell me why these players are town:

Glorfindel

insertnamehere

JaggedJimmyJay

LoRab

motel room

Glorfindel - He has made an earnest effort to stay in the game despite his known time constraints.

insertnamehere - His failed lynch may indicate him as one of three roles (two of which are civilian) and his defenses to accusations have seemed genuine.

LoRab - She bears the appearance of a townie who has gotten caught in tunnel vision.

motel room - He has noticed smaller details of people's post that I'd associate more with a town inclination toward hunting for clues.

#3007

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In no more than one sentence, tell me why these players are town:

Glorfindel - He's been on a hot seat for a while and his game has become more defensive than aggressive as a result of this.

insertnamehere - He's Silvertongue.

JaggedJimmyJay - The bad guys tried to kill him and failed.

LoRab - Her thoughts are clear, consistent, and easy to trace; she has made a lot of useful posts in this game.

motel room - Limiting time constraints, but has been inquisitive and insightful whenever he has been around.

#3008

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In no more than one sentence, tell me why these players are town:

Glorfindel: Reasonable kind chap who defends his beliefs no matter what.

insertnamehere: {REDACTED}

JaggedJimmyJay: He survived a nightkill.

LoRab: Sticks to his guns.

motel room: Chill dude who brings new methods to the game, to the civilian's benefit

#3009

Cool, thanks guys. Now it'd be ideal for the three of us to state which of those names we struggled the most with to provide a town case that feels meaningful to ourselves. For me it's these players:

Dom
Scotty
Glorfindel
LoRab

#3010

I don't think my Glorfindel sentence was articulated very well. That looks pretty ambiguous. What I mean is I don't remember a whole lot of case-making from Glorfindel in this game, I mostly just remember him answering questions directed at him. If he is town, I can credit this to the propensity for questions to be asked at him. And time constraints, of course.

#3011

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Cool, thanks guys. Now it'd be ideal for the three of us to state which of those names we struggled the most with to provide a town case that feels meaningful to ourselves. For me it's these players:

Dom
Scotty
Glorfindel
LoRab

Epignosis, Dom, Glorfindel.

#3012

Pending INH's thoughts, I find myself wondering if we should be more interested in a Dom lynch.

#3013

Or Glorfindel

#3014

Gth explanation and reasoning.

Dom - bad - I have no memory of any posts or opinions from Dom and this doesn't sit right with me. Be it my inability to notice or him sitting back and to playing much, I wouldn't know.
Epi - bad - this one was hard fpr me. I had read town Zebra all game, but I feel baddie Epi vibes. I think the scenario where this isn't baddie Epi, this is jus a reoccurring version of lost mafia Epi.
Glorf - good - based on the exchange we had regarding vote numbers, I think glorf is civ. I think that baddie glorf wpuld have had less confusion regarding the polls.
Inh - good - based soley on lynch survival.
JJJ - good - based soley on nk survival.
LoRab - good - interactions with Eloh make Lorab not her teammate.
Motel - good - comparing Motel this game to when he was on my team in the gane of champs is why I think he's good. In the game of champs he was busy and didn't wcen try to hide the fact he wasn't contributing, but In this game he seems busy but still tries to state his mind.
Quin - bad - voting to save the Sloonster when I'm suspecting the sloonster.
Scotty - bad - I have no memory of Scotty, but I read sprityo as bad before they left.
Sloonei - bad - click on my "in thread" posts.

That's all of my gth thoughts.

#3015

What is the case for Glorfindel being scum? I struggled to come up with a reason to call him town, but I'm not confident about any case against him either.

#3016

Could you elaborate on your epi read, wilgy?

#3017

Sloonei wrote:What is the case for Glorfindel being scum? I struggled to come up with a reason to call him town, but I'm not confident about any case against him either.

I don't think I could assemble a convincing case against him. That's kind of why I am working from the opposite direction right now (who gets the fewest town points instead of who gets the most baddie points). In a few past games Glorfindel was heavily and wrongly suspected the whole time, and I felt like a lone wolf out there defending him constantly. This time I don't quite see the same spark that inspired me to do that then. I think his voting behavior is baddie-compatible, and his most active periods in the game have come when he has been answering to the most accusations.

I think I'd prefer to lynch Dom between the two. It's a difficult choice.

#3018

I'll take another look at Glorf and see if I can find any threads to pull at.

#3019

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Cool, thanks guys. Now it'd be ideal for the three of us to state which of those names we struggled the most with to provide a town case that feels meaningful to ourselves. For me it's these players:

Dom
Scotty
Glorfindel
LoRab

Here are the four that stood out for me:

Dom
Lorab
Sloonei
motel room

#3020

Who out there objects to a Dom lynch?

#3021

Spoiler: show

Quin

#3022

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who out there objects to a Dom lynch?

As always I'd like for him to come back and say some things before throwing a bunch of votes his way, but I can get on board with this.

#3023

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who out there objects to a Dom lynch?

At this point, I'm good as long as it isn't me -__-

#3024

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Dom:

Prior to Day 6, you made no conclusive (or even inconclusive) read on Sloonei that I can find. You interacted with him a few times, but you never stated a read.

Now you've joined Epignosis immediately on this day with a vote based upon what looks to me like something frivolous. Why?

Why are you pretending like I haven't explained this?

Sloonei STILL hasn't answered my question.

DrWilgy wrote:Gth explanation and reasoning.

Dom - bad - I have no memory of any posts or opinions from Dom and this doesn't sit right with me. Be it my inability to notice or him sitting back and to playing much, I wouldn't know.
.

this sounds like a you problem and not a me problem.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who out there objects to a Dom lynch?

Me.

Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:This was my answer to your question, Dom. Please point out the parts of it which you object to:
Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:Sloonei who are you going to vote for?

if they die who are you going to vote for?

if they die who are you going to vote for?

Quinn: Citation needed that Mac didn't like me.
I am currently voting for Glorfindel until further notice. I am also considering everyone else.
This doesn't answer the question in any way that is useful. AGain, why is Epi fully responsible for knowing who he's voting for the second his top suspect dies but you are not?
He's not and I never said he was.

Will you answer my damn question or nah?

#3025

I'm here, I have some meetings but I will be around.

#3026

Dom wrote:Why are you pretending like I haven't explained this?

I have no reason to "pretend" anything. Are you accusing me of something?

#3027

DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who out there objects to a Dom lynch?
At this point, I'm good as long as it isn't me -__-

That doesn't thrill me.

#3028

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:Why are you pretending like I haven't explained this?
I have no reason to "pretend" anything. Are you accusing me of something?

No, AND I don't intend to, however, I have spelled this out multiple times.

#3029

Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:Why are you pretending like I haven't explained this?
I have no reason to "pretend" anything. Are you accusing me of something?
No, AND I don't intend to, however, I have spelled this out multiple times.

I'm telling you that your multiple times have left me feeling that your beef with Sloonei is frivolous. That's currently your best motive for a vote as of this sixth day phase of play after having spent the entire game previous apparently empty of opinions related to Sloonei?

#3030

Dom, I honestly have no idea what question you want me to answer. I answered your question of who I'd vote for. Then I voted for two other people. I've made a lot of posts sharing all of my thoughts on everyone in this game today. Look at them.

#3031

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Generic JJJ post about baddie interactions -- Elohcin and Dom

Elohcin:

Nothing

~~~

Dom:

Spoiler: show
Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:I do not suspect Elohcin.
Why not?
i don't think anything she's done is abnormal for her civvie game... maybe a better way of saying it is that nothing she's done has made me think she is bad

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:I do not suspect Elohcin.
Why not?
i don't think anything she's done is abnormal for her civvie game... maybe a better way of saying it is that nothing she's done has made me think she is bad
Can you differentiate between what she does as a civilian and what she does as Mafia?
No explicitly, no.

I just take more convincing than most to find Elohcin suspicious.
This is similar to what was seen with Zebra. I am a little less inclined to view it as innocent just because he only barely began to explain himself. "I take more convincing that most" kind of bugs me a little bit. It's a small point.

~~~

That's it. There's too little to talk about for me to come to a confident conclusion. I'll say this makes Dom look slightly more questionable, but not super alarming.

#3032

#3033

DrWilgy wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who out there objects to a Dom lynch?
At this point, I'm good as long as it isn't me -__-

It's like I said. I have no thoughts about Dom. He's mostly bad on my list by default.

While I'd like to murk someone I find suspect or at least vive bad, survival is priority.

#3034

Suddenly I'm looking at Dom's posts and seeing baddie everywhere.

~ Attacks MP from the first moment of the game and almost never lets up
~ "MP is buddying up to me because he listed me as one of his 7 greens"
~ Unexplained off-hand defenses of Elohcin
~ Three off-wagon votes in a row in the first three day phases

#3035

Wilgy, you had your vote on Dom and then moved it to Sloonei. Why?

#3036

Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:Why are you pretending like I haven't explained this?
I have no reason to "pretend" anything. Are you accusing me of something?
No, AND I don't intend to, however, I have spelled this out multiple times.

This just appears deliberately unhelpful.

#3037

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:Why are you pretending like I haven't explained this?
I have no reason to "pretend" anything. Are you accusing me of something?
No, AND I don't intend to, however, I have spelled this out multiple times.
I'm telling you that your multiple times have left me feeling that your beef with Sloonei is frivolous. That's currently your best motive for a vote as of this sixth day phase of play after having spent the entire game previous apparently empty of opinions related to Sloonei?

My top suspect died.

Sloonei wrote:Dom, I honestly have no idea what question you want me to answer. I answered your question of who I'd vote for. Then I voted for two other people. I've made a lot of posts sharing all of my thoughts on everyone in this game today. Look at them.

Your answer was "anyone else"
That's not an answer.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Suddenly I'm looking at Dom's posts and seeing baddie everywhere.

~ Attacks MP from the first moment of the game and almost never lets up
~ "MP is buddying up to me because he listed me as one of his 7 greens"
~ Unexplained off-hand defenses of Elohcin
~ Three off-wagon votes in a row in the first three day phases

LOL ok

#3038

If Sloonei and our civvie Savior are going to be this obtuse, then, yes lynch me because it won't matter what I say.

#3039

Dom wrote:My top suspect died.

Reads on others, please.

Dom wrote:LOL ok

The game might be on the line, so if I'm wrong you'd be well advised to avoid this sort of pointless eyerolling.

#3040

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Wilgy, you had your vote on Dom and then moved it to Sloonei. Why?

Because Dom is voting Sloonei. If Dom becomes a leading wagon, I'll die in his self preservation, unless others move.

We are caught in a situation where we have 2 stagnant wagons due to people not being here. One of those happens to be a person I want lynched the other happens to be me. It's quite the kerfuffle.

#3041

Dom wrote:If Sloonei and our civvie Savior are going to be this obtuse, then, yes lynch me because it won't matter what I say.

I'm doing the best I can to figure this out. I haven't condemned you. I'm exploring every option. I have placed about 20 votes this phase. Spare me this sarcastic crap and help me out here if I'm wrong.

#3042

Dom wrote:If Sloonei and our civvie Savior are going to be this obtuse, then, yes lynch me because it won't matter what I say.

To quote insertnamehere: What do you want from me? I honestly have no idea what you think I am being obtuse about and you're not helping me figure it out.

#3043

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Dom, I honestly have no idea what question you want me to answer. I answered your question of who I'd vote for. Then I voted for two other people. I've made a lot of posts sharing all of my thoughts on everyone in this game today. Look at them.
Your answer was "anyone else"
That's not an answer.

Yes it is. I am and have been keeping an open mind. If it helps, when you asked the question, I was voting for Glorfindel. Then I voted for DrWilgy. Then I voted for Epi. Now you're begging me to vote for you.

Why does my answer to this question matter so much to you?

#3044

To explain my Epi view Sloonei - it reminds me alot of Lost... I think it was lost at least. Towards the end of the game it came down to Epi, I and afew others. That game, like this one, I read Epi as bad, but in that game he ended up being civ.

The tldr is I tone read bad Epi, but last time I tone read bad Epi I was wrong.

#3045

I have some concern that we might be too willing to adopt a "bad Epignosis" mindset purely because of his posts, meaning we're too quick to discard everything Zebra put in the thread due to recency bias.

#3046

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:My top suspect died.
Reads on others, please.

Dom wrote:LOL ok
The game might be on the line, so if I'm wrong you'd be well advised to avoid this sort of pointless eyerolling.

I HAVE LITERALLY SAID WHO ELSE I SUSPECT THIS DAY PHASE WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

#3047

DrWilgy wrote:To explain my Epi view Sloonei - it reminds me alot of Lost... I think it was lost at least. Towards the end of the game it came down to Epi, I and afew others. That game, like this one, I read Epi as bad, but in that game he ended up being civ.

The tldr is I tone read bad Epi, but last time I tone read bad Epi I was wrong.

This is far. I am also tone reading him as bad from his treatment of me last night. Not so much his initial suspicion of me, but in his responses when I started to express suspicion of him. His response to everything amounted to little more than an eye roll without any actual response. I feel like a town Epi would have been more open and responsive. For what it's worth I've started feeling better about you and worse about him over the last couple hours.

The reason I asked is because Epi and I have been about as opposed to each other today as you and I have. I was curious how you felt about that dynamic.

#3048

EBWOP: This is fair, not far.

#3049

Dom wrote:WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

#3050

Dom wrote:I HAVE LITERALLY SAID WHO ELSE I SUSPECT THIS DAY PHASE WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME

Reads. Not all reads are "suspects". Who are your top town reads, for example? I only see Quin as your non-Sloonei prominent suspect, do you have others?

I don't have a photographic memory to recall every post you've made.

Who squashed LoRab?