Jessica Jones S1 Mafia - Day 5 (ENDGAME)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sorry for the lackluster activity guys. I have a game I'm hosting ending right now and had a somewhat busy weekend so haven't had the time to post much or vote. This will change soon enough.

[a2thezebra]

Night 1 has ended.

Elohcin was killed. She was Jeri Hogarth, town-aligned. Duh.

Day 2 begins now and ends in 48 hours. The poll has no technical deadline because last time it totally fucked up for a reason that I have yet to identify, so I'll try to be here at this exact time 48 hours from now to end the day.

[DrWilgy]

Damn. RIP Eloh.

[DrWilgy]

Hey Timmer, what character are you?

[timmer]

Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

[Elohcin]

Night 1 has ended.

Elohcin was killed. She was Jeri Hogarth, town-aligned. Duh.

Day 2 begins now and ends in 48 hours. The poll has no technical deadline because last time it totally fucked up for a reason that I have yet to identify, so I'll try to be here at this exact time 48 hours from now to end the day.

WHAT?! Write it down in the books, I think this is the first time this has happened. Man! It was fun while it lasted :/

[a2thezebra]

Night 1 has ended.

Elohcin was killed. She was Jeri Hogarth, town-aligned. Duh.

Day 2 begins now and ends in 48 hours. The poll has no technical deadline because last time it totally fucked up for a reason that I have yet to identify, so I'll try to be here at this exact time 48 hours from now to end the day.

WHAT?! Write it down in the books, I think this is the first time this has happened. Man! It was fun while it lasted :/

If you want you can get right back in by replacing Dom.

[Elohcin]

Yes, please.

[Elohcin]

oops. yes, please

[insertnamehere]

INH, I stated thus previously, my vote wasn't random. Should I have not broken the tie? Should I have not voted? This "single-handed" meme is dumb, 8 people missed votes and I feel like I'm getting flak for it.

Yes, Wilgy, you should have broken the tie and voted. Yes, you were more productive than the 8 absentee players. No, those two things don't make your vote any better in my eyes. It still rubs me the wrong way.

[insertnamehere]

I think INH is bad

is there anything you want me to respond to, or is it just a tone/feels read type thing?

Yes

So, both?

If the first part is correct, could you please share the thing you want me to respond to, so I can then respond to it? Looking through your post history, the only thing I can find is you thinking my Daredevil joke was an actual claim.

[insertnamehere]

Why do people think I'm not civ? At least call me bad...

Sorry, I must've missed the question Scotty. The reason is that INH is willing to say things without purpose.

This exchange:

Luffy was just in today so he'll be here soon enough. The game begins! Any questions such as whether or not character-claiming is allowed will have to be asked to be answered.

is character claiming allowed?

i'm daredevil everybody.

the ben affleck version, obviously.

Are votes changeable?

Hello INH. Are you classified as a civilian?

Yep.

By the way, the Daredevil thing was a joke. I'm not really him.

OR AM I?




No, I'm really not.

Omitting the response to me, what was the point?

Character claiming was something that Zebra all but asked us to ask whether or not it was allowed, and it can heavily influence the game. I thought it was worth knowing. That was the point of my first post, to find information to support the civ cause.

The second post was a joke. Me being lighthearted. Kidding around. Having a laugh. Rustling a few jimmies. Exercising the ol' funny bone.

People thought it was serious, so I spelled out its falsity in the third post. I then made another joke, because humor is the only defense humankind has against its own mortality. It's all that stands between us, depression, and oblivion. Plus I like feeling witty. You can empathize, right Wilgy?

[insertnamehere]

Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

Hmm.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Ruben

Ruben was some annoying "nice guy" weirdo who had a freaky, incest-y relationship with his sister, and lived in the same building as Jessica Jones. He died at the hands of the main villain in episode four and was generally a very minor character.

Considering the very limited number of power roles, I struggle to think of why Ruben would be one of them and be given invulnerability.

I think Timmer is:

A. Lying to protect a powerful civ role, like Kilgrave, Trish, or Luke
B. Lying to protect his real baddie power role.
C. Lying about knowing why he survived the lynch.

I think C is very unlikely.

Please discuss.

[Marmot]

Hey fellows (and ladies), I'll be around to chat at some point tomorrow.

[Scotty]

Why do people think I'm not civ? At least call me bad...

Sorry, I must've missed the question Scotty. The reason is that INH is willing to say things without purpose.

This exchange:

Luffy was just in today so he'll be here soon enough. The game begins! Any questions such as whether or not character-claiming is allowed will have to be asked to be answered.

is character claiming allowed?

i'm daredevil everybody.

the ben affleck version, obviously.

Are votes changeable?

Hello INH. Are you classified as a civilian?

Yep.

By the way, the Daredevil thing was a joke. I'm not really him.

OR AM I?




No, I'm really not.

Omitting the response to me, what was the point?

Things have further increased my suspicion, but can I ask of your suspicion before I explain that Scotty?

[Scotty]

Oops, ignore that last post quote

Why do people think I'm not civ? At least call me bad...

Sorry, I must've missed the question Scotty. The reason is that INH is willing to say things without purpose.

Well I'm not going to limit myself to just calling someone bad or good in this game. Could be an indie role as one of the 3 power roles.

Unless that advent was removed in these heist games.


Your reason for suspecting him is...slightly parallel to your own style, methinks.

[Scotty]

I think INH is bad

is there anything you want me to respond to, or is it just a tone/feels read type thing?

Yes

So, both?

If the first part is correct, could you please share the thing you want me to respond to, so I can then respond to it? Looking through your post history, the only thing I can find is you thinking my Daredevil joke was an actual claim.

Ah, I didn't know daredevil wasn't in this show. Totally thought you were claiming.

As for any other reason for suspecting you- day 1 gut. Nothing you can really respond to or anything I can substantiate

[insertnamehere]

I think INH is bad

is there anything you want me to respond to, or is it just a tone/feels read type thing?

Yes

So, both?

If the first part is correct, could you please share the thing you want me to respond to, so I can then respond to it? Looking through your post history, the only thing I can find is you thinking my Daredevil joke was an actual claim.

Ah, I didn't know daredevil wasn't in this show. Totally thought you were claiming.

As for any other reason for suspecting you- day 1 gut. Nothing you can really respond to or anything I can substantiate

To put it in other terms, me claiming Daredevil in a Jessica Jones game is like someone claiming Picard in a ST:TOS game.

[Spacedaisy]

I apologize for being absent. We have a guest, and I am working at the same time. I don't think I will be back tomorrow either, going to spend the day in Austin and watch the election results in the evening, probably while consuming large quantities of hard liquor. Wed however, I will be all in.

[indiglo]

RIP Elo, and welcome back.

No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?


@ INH - regarding roles, iirc, when the role list was up, all 3 of Kilgrave, Jessica and Luke were listed as the baddie team. I'm 95% sure that's right, because it struck me as very odd, and really stood out in my mind. She could have changed the role lineup of course, but nevertheless that's how she had it set up previously.

I am assuming that in a game like this, role claims are all not to be believed... so I'm deciding not to even think about Ruben. I've not played a closed setup game before, but for my money not believing any claim is the way to go. (Especially if the claimed character isn't even on the show. )

[a2thezebra]

oops. yes, please

Effective immediately, Elohcin has replaced Dom.

[timmer]

RIP Elo, and welcome back.

No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?

It's a valid question... how many times, as a civ, have they voiced suspicion about the other and been wrong vs been right?

@Eloh, what IS your current opinion of Epig?

[Elohcin]

Honestly Timmer, I am not sure what to think about Epi. The last game we played together and this one....he automatically came in on Day 1 and voted someone for no reason whatsoever. It just doesn't seem like him. Maybe he is being a bad baddie. Maybe he is being a lazy civ. I don't know what to think. All I know is it seems abnormal and it doesn't jive with me. If I had not missed the vote Day 1, though, I would have voted Wilgy. He pinged me more than Epi just by his response to Epi.

I need to catch up on the few posts I haven't read since my death and I may find this answer as I read, but what do you think of Epi and his Day 1 vote. And, what do you think of Wilgy?

[Elohcin]

A few things:

1. I see there is no polls thread (which is fine). Can someone tell me how Day 1 ended? I think I read that someone said Timmer escaped the lynch. Did he have the most votes? I don't really recall anyone suspecting him Day 1.

2. I don't see an end time for today's lynch. What is it?

3.

RIP Elo, and welcome back.

No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?

I'm not even sure what it means that I was immediately pinged by Epi and I am civ. I know I mentioned this subject in my last post. But maybe he is just distracted. We have a lot of RL stuff going on. His voting with no reasons just seems off to me.

4. Oh, and I see a lot of role claiming out there. This game is just goodies and baddies, right? If we all claim roles, we are going to have those that tell the truth (honest civs) and those who are going to lie (baddies and crazy civs). No one can truly call out the liars with full certainty. I mean, if we are exceptional lie detectors, then maybe it could be helpful.

5.

It's a valid question... how many times, as a civ, have they voiced suspicion about the other and been wrong vs been right?

Not sure on the exact number, but I do think Epi has been right about me more often. And I think I have been right about him less often. That doesn't mean he's always right :P Just you keep that in mind.

When I play Mafia, what you see is me (usually). I am a transparent person. I will act sometimes, but not often. I CAN be a good actress, but usually with the help of a supportive team.

Epi is a good actor all on his own. When he plays Mafia, he is very different than his true self. And he can be different from game to game. In RL, he is a kind, gentle, un-confrontational soul.

[indiglo]

@ Elo, regarding #3 - It just means you were pinged by him and you were not his baddie team mate when he pinged you. It was a genuine ping.

[Elohcin]

@ Elo, regarding #3 - It just means you were pinged by him and you were not his baddie team mate when he pinged you. It was a genuine ping.

Oh okay, I see. Yes. It's funny. Because even when I am bad I try to pretend to myself that I am civ and I still look for "genuine" pings. (Oftentimes there is more than one baddie team anyway.) So...I never would have come to that conclusion. I rarely lie in Mafia. Lots of times players claim my pings are made up. But they are always genuine to me even if they sound absurd to others.

[Marmot]

Honestly Timmer, I am not sure what to think about Epi. The last game we played together and this one....he automatically came in on Day 1 and voted someone for no reason whatsoever. It just doesn't seem like him. Maybe he is being a bad baddie. Maybe he is being a lazy civ. I don't know what to think. All I know is it seems abnormal and it doesn't jive with me. If I had not missed the vote Day 1, though, I would have voted Wilgy. He pinged me more than Epi just by his response to Epi.

I need to catch up on the few posts I haven't read since my death and I may find this answer as I read, but what do you think of Epi and his Day 1 vote. And, what do you think of Wilgy?

Are you talking about Red vs Blue or a different game?

[Marmot]

I apologize for being absent. We have a guest, and I am working at the same time. I don't think I will be back tomorrow either, going to spend the day in Austin and watch the election results in the evening, probably while consuming large quantities of hard liquor. Wed however, I will be all in.

Have fun you! But remember, drinking and voting is encouraged. Drinking and driving is not.

[Scotty]

i am in the bowels of Canada right now with limited wifi and I don't know know when I will have the ability to post.

Also, happy voting day to the US. If things turn out badly, I'll just stay up here in Canada.

I totally missed the Night post. RIP and WB Elo!

zebra, is it possible to get an updated thread name with day 2 as well as the time this phase ends? I see your post was at 4:47p EST yesterday, so I'll assume the poll ends tomorrow at that time, or when Trump says it ends...I'll just see myself out

[Scotty]

There's not a lot of voting analyses to be done on day 1 because we were missing 8 votes (me included). I would like to say that Wilgy looks better in this game than he did as a baddie in the War of the Dynasties or whatever that was called. Wilgy is much less WIFOM Pie and more of a Messy Salsa this game.
I attribute that to him being antsy and ready to go after being unceremoniously lynched in Mad Max.

Not a whole lot to go on from a lot of people. I think Wilgy is attracting slight ire from people because he is the most vocal person in thread now, putting shtuff out there but then again, vocal does not a baddie make.

Elo, would a bad Epi normally kill you off if he knew you were on to him day 1?
I remember being on a baddie team with him once where he said he would rather end your time on the game if you had a lot on your plate and mafia was only getting in the way (paraphrasing, but he general idea is there). Do you think this constitutes?

[Scotty]

I want to believe that one of the power roles afforded us is a 1-shot civ lynch stopper in timmer and not some BS kill surviving baddie. That would be a pretty weak dynamic IMO for the baddies and would expect a GF or role blocker at least. But then again, I'm not zebra, I'm only an ass

I'm putting timmer in my temporarily civ portfolio right now, and would not like to lynch him.
Timmer, any more reads besides Wilgy? Not a lot to go on, I know.

[Scotty]

Because I don't have a lot to go on, and don't know if I'll be around before the day ends, I went ahead and placed a vote on INH. It's pretty weak reasoning, and it's just a hunch, but I'm sticking to it.

[a2thezebra]

zebra, is it possible to get an updated thread name with day 2 as well as the time this phase ends? I see your post was at 4:47p EST yesterday, so I'll assume the poll ends tomorrow at that time, or when Trump says it ends...I'll just see myself out

Yes, and the time this phase ends is exactly 48 hours from my post. I'd like to have that in the poll but last time it was not one hour off but like six hours and twenty minutes off, soooooooo

Also, friendly reminder to all players to keep an eye on the opening post at all times.

[DFaraday]

I guess it depends on whether powers were randomly assigned or not. If they were, then Timmer being Ruben is plausible to me. I agree with Scotty that I think it was more likely a result of civ activity than a baddie who can survive lynching.

I also don't see why Epi should necessarily be suspicious for his early, reasonless vote. It's not like he has a track record of doing that as a baddie. I don't feel civ about him per se, but that vote alone isn't enough to ping me.

Wilgy, why was I orange in your list?

[DrWilgy]

We have 1 more day right?

I ended up getting sick and don't wanna use my brain right now -__-

[Elohcin]

Are you talking about Red vs Blue or a different game?

Do you know nothing about me? Do you really think I know the name of the game I am talking about. If only games had faces...then I could describe what it looked like or pick it out of a line-up for sure.

Elo, would a bad Epi normally kill you off if he knew you were on to him day 1?
I remember being on a baddie team with him once where he said he would rather end your time on the game if you had a lot on your plate and mafia was only getting in the way (paraphrasing, but he general idea is there). Do you think this constitutes?

Yeah, if I am rather busy and and cannot really participate anyway. If I signed up b/c he asked me to in order to get the game started and the que rolling. Then he might kill me right off and put me out of my misery. BUT, this is a tiny game, and I love it. I have lots of work this week, but I'm not drowning. He knows I very much enjoy small games. So I am not too sure that he would kill me night 1. A the time, I just thought it was weird that he voted so quickly and without reason. But I think he is just overwhelmed with other things maybe. Like I said, we have a lot going on in RL right now.

I also don't see why Epi should necessarily be suspicious for his early, reasonless vote. It's not like he has a track record of doing that as a baddie. I don't feel civ about him per se, but that vote alone isn't enough to ping me.

I think I have come to this conclusion myself as well. I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. I am having a hard time deciding who I don't trust. Wilgy would be top of my list just b/c of responses and overall tone...but of course I have shared this before. I think I can trust Scotty this game. Timmer is being helpful and I think I can trust him. DF, though he hasn't posted a whole lot seems civ to me. Heck maybe Epi was right and indiglo is bad. Or possibly one of the baddies is a low poster.

@Daisy....have fun with your guest. Anyone we know?

[a2thezebra]

Day 2 ends in exactly 24 hours.

[indiglo]

While I do appreciate the ongoing conversation, my personal opinion at this point is that Elo 2.0 cannot speak to the pings or suspicions of Elo 1.0. She is now a different role, and since there's no way to know if she remains civ, any discussion of her previous civ suspicions or pings is moot - the person who had those pings/suspicions is gone forever from the game. Anyone is (of course) free to disagree with me on that, but that's where I'm at.

Sad news: we have less than 24 hours now, and there is still not anything I feel terribly compelled to vote for.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Catching up.

is character claiming allowed?

Yo, I'm sure baddies received an alias so it doesn't become unbalanced if everyone just outright claims. That you are readily claiming a character makes me suspicious of you.

I see what you did here.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I just found out an old friend of mine died in a fiery car crash due to a drunk driver. Leaves behind his wife of 17 years and 4 sweet kids. I gotta log off.


I randomized, and got DDL.




Dom, I hope you're ok sweetie. Let's all hug our loved ones a little tighter tonight, yeah?

Wow, sorry for your loss. RIP.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Zebra, can we have a record of previous polls so we can actually analyse vote patterns?

Thanks.

I see people talking about the timmer lynch but it's hard to understand who vote for whom since I wasn't active day 1.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I see people talking about Timmer being a power role and I believe it's simply more likely that there is s governor in town (a role that can stop lynches). Probably some civ who was distressed at the crappy d1 we had and wanted to stop a random lynch.

I don't believe in mafia having the power to redirect lynches, nor in a role that can passively stop lynches, because that's incredibly OP for a generic game.

Though this is the first time I play a generic (classic) game in this site. Do they tend to have very powerful roles?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I've never seen Wilgy as real-game-talk-oriented this early in a game as he is here. I don't know if it's alignment indicative or not though.

And I agree, I think it has to be a native protection. The only other option I see as possible is if he were a baddie and someone else on the team had a save and used it. Seems most likely to me that it was a native protection, and not entirely alignment indicative.

Wilgy comes across as a civ that upon seeing a very inactive town, decided to take the mantle. I've seen players do that before, when in other games they would be happy with staying in the sidelines.

A mafia Wilgy would have little reason to change his meta early in the game like that, and attract attention. Unless this is some sort of crazy gambit.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

RIP Elo, and welcome back.

No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?


@ INH - regarding roles, iirc, when the role list was up, all 3 of Kilgrave, Jessica and Luke were listed as the baddie team. I'm 95% sure that's right, because it struck me as very odd, and really stood out in my mind. She could have changed the role lineup of course, but nevertheless that's how she had it set up previously.

I am assuming that in a game like this, role claims are all not to be believed... so I'm deciding not to even think about Ruben. I've not played a closed setup game before, but for my money not believing any claim is the way to go. (Especially if the claimed character isn't even on the show. )

Couples have a mystical ability to scumhunt each other, so I'll keep that in mind. I've seen both BR and Silverwolf destroy their significant others in games before.

Not sure what to think about Epi myself though. He is awfully quiet in this game, but I'm not sure if that actually means anything.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Epi, what do you think of Elo in this game? Post-replacement, of course.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok, let's go to the suspects.

INH has some posts that look like textbook scum. He sounds manipulative. The whole "I would vote Wilgy is I could" is pingy, following the RNG vote trend is pingy, saying there is nothing useful to read on day 1 is extra pingy.

Something is off about MM. I mean, more than usual. Can't put my finger on it. But I guess I didn't like how he said Wilgy was his top civ read out of the blue, and that question to me about Epi's bussing rubbed me the wrong way.

Indiglo still feels suspish. She is talking about game mechanics almost all the time (which is a classic tell), and her friendliness seems forced at points. She is there, and she is posting, but she is not doing much.

I should have enough time to vote tomorrow, so I'm gonna wait.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Porbably voting between MM and indiglo, because I have a bad story of going after obvious suspects in this forum and having that backfire.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Where is everyone? Do the people have something more important to do this night?

[indiglo]

Porbably voting between MM and indiglo, because I have a bad story of going after obvious suspects in this forum and having that backfire.

You are welcome to join Epi in wrongly voting for me. (Unless you are scum, then you will be correctly voting for me.)

[indiglo]

RIP Elo, and welcome back.

No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?


@ INH - regarding roles, iirc, when the role list was up, all 3 of Kilgrave, Jessica and Luke were listed as the baddie team. I'm 95% sure that's right, because it struck me as very odd, and really stood out in my mind. She could have changed the role lineup of course, but nevertheless that's how she had it set up previously.

I am assuming that in a game like this, role claims are all not to be believed... so I'm deciding not to even think about Ruben. I've not played a closed setup game before, but for my money not believing any claim is the way to go. (Especially if the claimed character isn't even on the show. )

Couples have a mystical ability to scumhunt each other, so I'll keep that in mind. I've seen both BR and Silverwolf destroy their significant others in games before.

Not sure what to think about Epi myself though. He is awfully quiet in this game, but I'm not sure if that actually means anything.

Do you think it means anything that after replacing back in, she completely backed off her original Epi suspicion and pretty much did a complete 180 on him?