Jessica Jones S1 Mafia - Day 5 (ENDGAME)

[timmer]

Epig gets my vote every day until one of us is dead. What B.S.

[indiglo]

I just feel bad for Indi, who was lynched twice in a row for utterly BS reasons. I hope she wants to play again after this cabernacle haberdashery.

[indiglo]

indiglo was lynched. She was Will Simpsons, town-aligned.

Night 2 begins now and ends in 24 hours.

WHAT?!/1?! But Epi said I was mafia.... LITERALLY HOW CAN THIS BE?!?!?/1/

[Elohcin]

hmm. Sorry Indiglo. Epi seems so authoritative to me for some reason. Then when his reasons matched my thoughts.....well....sorry.

[Epignosis]

Epig gets my vote every day until one of us is dead. What B.S.

I can't lynch anybody by myself.

[Epignosis]

For those paying attention, timmer just gave himself a justification to plant his vote on me for the rest of the game with no critical thought going into it whatsoever. Notice that he doesn't care if I'm good or bad. He doesn't care that I'm not the only one who voted indiglo. He doesn't investigate why people jumped on board after me. He doesn't question their motives. He doesn't interact with them.

If timmer is a civilian, then what value is he if he's already dedicated his vote to me every day until one of us is dead? Is he genuinely angry at me for what happened to indiglo? Does he think I'm solely responsible for her lynch? Or is there some other motivation?

[timmer]

For those paying attention, timmer just gave himself a justification to plant his vote on me for the rest of the game with no critical thought going into it whatsoever. Notice that he doesn't care if I'm good or bad. He doesn't care that I'm not the only one who voted indiglo. He doesn't investigate why people jumped on board after me. He doesn't question their motives. He doesn't interact with them.

If timmer is a civilian, then what value is he if he's already dedicated his vote to me every day until one of us is dead? Is he genuinely angry at me for what happened to indiglo? Does he think I'm solely responsible for her lynch? Or is there some other motivation?

Or I've only made one post, from work, about it, and laid out my key point for all to see, and to voice my frustration.

[timmer]

I'll break down my full thoughts on this later, once the kids are in bed.

[Epignosis]

For those paying attention, timmer just gave himself a justification to plant his vote on me for the rest of the game with no critical thought going into it whatsoever. Notice that he doesn't care if I'm good or bad. He doesn't care that I'm not the only one who voted indiglo. He doesn't investigate why people jumped on board after me. He doesn't question their motives. He doesn't interact with them.

If timmer is a civilian, then what value is he if he's already dedicated his vote to me every day until one of us is dead? Is he genuinely angry at me for what happened to indiglo? Does he think I'm solely responsible for her lynch? Or is there some other motivation?

Or I've only made one post, from work, about it, and laid out my key point for all to see, and to voice my frustration.

A post about me. Me alone. A key point about me. Me alone. Frustration with me. Me alone.

[timmer]

Correct. I'll look into the others tonight. Which part of that isn't clear?

[Epignosis]

Correct. I'll look into the others tonight. Which part of that isn't clear?

All clear, captain.

[DrWilgy]

So DF, i put you at orange for similar reasons to Indiglo. At the time of my rainbow list, you had posted enough to define your presence, but not enough for me to have a notion of you contributing, thus you were classified as potential baddie lurking.

Scotty, did you ever explain your suspicion of INH?

[DrWilgy]

@INH, so what qualifies as satisfactory? Randoming?

Nope. But I view voting for someone solely because they randomed to be worse than randoming.

You aren't actually reading what I say are you?

In regards to my views on INH's humorous posts that made me suspect him originally, I can sympathize. Humor is needed for life, but too much of anything can be bad. When comparing what had triggered my suspicion vs my own playstyle, I do see similarities, but there's one key difference. When I have things to contribute or a goal to achieve, I make sure that I at least voice it or accomplish my goal after the humor has passed, or even with the humor.

Humor into a random vote does not accomplish this.

Really dude? You, DrWilgy, are criticizing someone for joking around in a mafia game?

Let me see if I understand your argument, because it utterly strains credulity for me. Apparently, Wilgy uses humor to accomplish a goal or accompanies his humor with gameplay. Uh huh.

In his mind, my random D1 vote isn't gameplay, but rather me awkwardly spasming about the thread. It boggles Wilgy's mind to possibly conceive of a goal I could achieve with my utterly inept, pointless, brainless random vote that has no basis in logic or rational thought.

Making me out to be the villain? Inept, pointless, and brainless are words that do nothing but slander me. I never said such things. Can you validate the purpose of your actions from a contributory civ view point?

Let's see how Wilgy uses humor.

Spoiler: show

1st

IMMEDIATELY AFTER MP ASKS "Can we post?"

Can't we post?

U bad MP?

U bad MP?

Nope.

You bad, Doctor?

Damn, I wasn't expecting you to ask that back.

I am. You got me.

Take me away officer.

U bad MP?

Nope.

You bad, Doctor?

Damn, I wasn't expecting you to ask that back.

I am. You got me.

Take me away officer.

YES, I CAUGHT A BADDIE ON DAY ONE!

Do not sound so happy... My 12 evil brothers and sisters will rise to avenge me...

Wilgy, is MM your teammate? I mean, that worked out well for us last time.

MM is always my teammate.

Ok you are in Eloh, the team is currently Me, DDL/MP, MM, Epi and Eloh.

I honestly see no way in which the above posts are somehow more goal-orientated and on-topic than:

i'm daredevil everybody.

the ben affleck version, obviously.

But I'm not Wilgy. I don't know the extreme level of thought and care he puts into each jokepost, how each snarky comment is expertly designed to trap the baddies in a web of his own making.

It was for reaction, and discussion promotion. I also pinned together certain people to see if it changed how they reacted. How about your jokes INH?

I guess that's just my own fault, not thinking exactly like Wilgy.

INH, I actually do think we think alike. I think we both enjoy the stories and theatrics that mafia brings out in it's players. Do to this I believe we have a repeated history of both me being read by you poorly, and I reading you poorly. I will not cite if this is true or not, but it is the feel I get from playing with you.

Regardless, I do think you are bad nonetheless.

[DrWilgy]

Marmot Friend is INH your teammate?

[timmer]

More postjng will have to wait, night went squirrel y

[DrWilgy]

Epignosis, what are your thoughts on Eloh 2.0, Scotty and DF?

Where is Sriracha?

[Marmot]

Marmot Friend is INH your teammate?

I don't know. We could both be on indiglo's team. Poor indiglo, I'm so sorry.

[DrWilgy]

Marmot Friend is INH your teammate?

I don't know. We could both be on indiglo's team. Poor indiglo, I'm so sorry.

Good answer Marmot Friend. Who's your dankest read right now? If they were to flip town, who would you think to be bad?

[Marmot]

Marmot Friend is INH your teammate?

I don't know. We could both be on indiglo's team. Poor indiglo, I'm so sorry.

Good answer Marmot Friend. Who's your dankest read right now? If they were to flip town, who would you think to be bad?

I saw timmer with the devil.

But I'm also reconsidering Epignosis as mafia. If he's actually civ, he'll find a way to prove me wrong. He's getting my vote tomorrow.

[Marmot]

Where are you at Wilgysy? Who's gonna get licked this game?

[Scotty]

still in Canada. So far removed from the election. I might stay here lololol

Uh why can we still vote?

I see indi died. Rip. Is there a poll thread somewhere, for I'm assuming the final tally didn't look like it does now.

Based on this outcome, I still feel INH is bad, and MM may be his teammate.

But I have no polls to analyze. So...no real case but gut reads.

Where is everyone? It's like the Wilgy show (a cousin to the Itchy and Scratchy Show). And I don't see Wilgy as bad right now.

[Marmot]

still in Canada. So far removed from the election. I might stay here lololol

Uh why can we still vote?

I see indi died. Rip. Is there a poll thread somewhere, for I'm assuming the final tally didn't look like it does now.

Based on this outcome, I still feel INH is bad, and MM may be his teammate.

But I have no polls to analyze. So...no real case but gut reads.

Where is everyone? It's like the Wilgy show (a cousin to the Itchy and Scratchy Show). And I don't see Wilgy as bad right now.

There's not much to analyze in yesterday's poll. I think timmer took like 2 votes?

[DrWilgy]

Where are you at Wilgysy? Who's gonna get licked this game?

I'm not sure... Though I lost that game, I don't think I'll ever have such a spectacular performance.

@Scotty I think the only difference in final day poll was the fact that I changed from INH to Epi.

What makes you feel good about me Scotty? I'll ask again if you have explained your inh suspicion.

[Scotty]

Where are you at Wilgysy? Who's gonna get licked this game?

I'm not sure... Though I lost that game, I don't think I'll ever have such a spectacular performance.

@Scotty I think the only difference in final day poll was the fact that I changed from INH to Epi.

What makes you feel good about me Scotty? I'll ask again if you have explained your inh suspicion.

Literally tone. The way he has responded to you and the syntax he uses. Not a lot to go on, but I think I'm right nonetheless.

[Scotty]

still in Canada. So far removed from the election. I might stay here lololol

Uh why can we still vote?

I see indi died. Rip. Is there a poll thread somewhere, for I'm assuming the final tally didn't look like it does now.

Based on this outcome, I still feel INH is bad, and MM may be his teammate.

But I have no polls to analyze. So...no real case but gut reads.

Where is everyone? It's like the Wilgy show (a cousin to the Itchy and Scratchy Show). And I don't see Wilgy as bad right now.

There's not much to analyze in yesterday's poll. I think timmer took like 2 votes?

Nah, there's always something to analyze. And I'm sure that's not all. Wilgy even said he jumped on Epi over INH. And I see DF placed a vote there too. Did he say why?

[timmer]

Flipped back through the day. It really doesn't seem like a lot of people put much thought into that indiglo lynch. And Epig knew people were following him and didn't say much to remind people that he was apparently operating on gut. Ionno my gut tells me he's bad.

@Epig, can you reasonably give me reasons to think you are civ?

[DrWilgy]

@Scotty, to clarify, I did vote for INH. I just moved it to Epi during the night because I could.

[Marmot]

still in Canada. So far removed from the election. I might stay here lololol

Uh why can we still vote?

I see indi died. Rip. Is there a poll thread somewhere, for I'm assuming the final tally didn't look like it does now.

Based on this outcome, I still feel INH is bad, and MM may be his teammate.

But I have no polls to analyze. So...no real case but gut reads.

Where is everyone? It's like the Wilgy show (a cousin to the Itchy and Scratchy Show). And I don't see Wilgy as bad right now.

There's not much to analyze in yesterday's poll. I think timmer took like 2 votes?

Nah, there's always something to analyze. And I'm sure that's not all. Wilgy even said he jumped on Epi over INH. And I see DF placed a vote there too. Did he say why?

Oh, I was talking Day 1. I know Epignosis voted indiglo, and I believe two people voted for timmer... and I think that's all that happened Day 1.

[Marmot]

Players I want to lynch at this moment: Epignosis.

Players I don't want to lynch at this moment: DrWilgy, insertnamehere

[DFaraday]

still in Canada. So far removed from the election. I might stay here lololol

Uh why can we still vote?

I see indi died. Rip. Is there a poll thread somewhere, for I'm assuming the final tally didn't look like it does now.

Based on this outcome, I still feel INH is bad, and MM may be his teammate.

But I have no polls to analyze. So...no real case but gut reads.

Where is everyone? It's like the Wilgy show (a cousin to the Itchy and Scratchy Show). And I don't see Wilgy as bad right now.

There's not much to analyze in yesterday's poll. I think timmer took like 2 votes?

Nah, there's always something to analyze. And I'm sure that's not all. Wilgy even said he jumped on Epi over INH. And I see DF placed a vote there too. Did he say why?

Yes I did. I felt INH's case on Wilgy seemed forced, and I didn't like the Indi bandwagon forming.

I also don't like how Timmer and MM are all ready to vote Epi. Like he said, he can't make anyone follow him. I'd be more suspicious of players just jumping on the wagon rather than the guy who first started it.

[DrWilgy]

Marmot, who will die tonight? Me, or INH?

DF, what are your thoughts on the Epi voters?

[DrWilgy]

Marmot, who will die tonight? Me, or INH?

DF, what are your thoughts on the Epi Indiglo voters?

Derp.

[Scotty]

When I look in the mirror, who is this I see?

It's the sound of silence talking to me.

[DrWilgy]

When I look in the mirror, who is this I see?

It's the sound of silence talking to me.

?

Never fear Scotty, I predict you will die if you aren't bad.

[Marmot]

Marmot, who will die tonight? Me, or INH?

DF, what are your thoughts on the Epi voters?

Hopefully Epignosis.

[a2thezebra]

DFaraday has been killed. He was Robyn, town-aligned.

Metalmarsh89 has died. Here is his rolecard:

You are Hope Schlottman, town-aligned. You have a one-shot "desperado" kill, meaning once in the game during the day you may target any player; if that player is mafia, they will be killed, and if not, you will die yourself instead. Remember that Kilgrave cannot be killed by any means until at least one of the other two members of Mafia are dead, so if you target an at-that-point-unkillable Kilgrave, you will die then as well.

Day 3 begins now and ends in 48 hours.

[a2thezebra]

Friendly reminder to always keep an eye on the opening post.

[Marmot]

Stay determined townies

[insertnamehere]

does this mean timmer is kilgrave?

[Elohcin]

DF was killed AND MM is dead?

[timmer]

does this mean timmer is kilgrave?

Considering mm's last post, I'd say Epig is.

[timmer]

Marmot, who will die tonight? Me, or INH?

DF, what are your thoughts on the Epi voters?

Hopefully Epignosis.

I mean, Hello. ^

[Epignosis]

Them odds tho.

[DrWilgy]

We have to take into account that MM could've targeted a civ.

Timmer, explain how you survived now that both role claiming and character claiming are allowed. If you do not agree to this, I will mark you down as killgrave until otherwise needed.

[Spacedaisy]

Well I caught up on the whole thread. And I actually have some reads as a result. As I am writing this post I am going back to try and refresh my mind with what I read in ISO because I wasn't compiling a post as I did my catch up. I wish I had. Anyway, here goes...

Reading Civ:
Wilgy
DDL
Scotty

Reading Bad:
INH
Timmer
Elo
Epi

No read at all/Absent:
Sorsha

So to give some explanation...

I will start first with my baddie reads. The thing about these is that they are not in isolation. I don't feel like any of them have done something that makes them look bad alone, but I have seen what appears to be ties, possible teammate actions IMO.

First is INH/Timmer: If I am forced to choose between INH and Wilgy who both seem to think the other is bad, I would choose INH as bad and Wilgy as Civ. Wilgy's behavior reads very much civ to me, and I feel like he was low hanging fruit on Day 1 because he really drove the Day 1 lynch. Timmer's response read angry to me, and INH seems to have a bit of remorse. It looks like he might have placed a distancing vote that bit him in the ass. If Timmer is Kilgrave then he is the logical choice for a distancing vote on Day 1. The thing that really caught my eye though was this kind of innocuous post:

Welp. Not really sure what to make of that. Timmer most likely has a power role, not sure if that means anything for his alignment.

Timmer, are you surprised at your pardoning?

The highlighted caught my eye because I found the wording to be off. Most people who don't know why someone didn't die would ask, "Are you surprised you didn't die?" Or perhaps, "Do you know why you didn't die?" But INH jumped straight to pardon, which implies a Civ reason for surviving a lynch usually. Pardoning is most often the mechanic used by a Mayor role. So to me it read like he either pardoned Timmer himself or he wanted to frame it as Civ as possible without defending him. Add in the fact I find his Day 1 behavior to be odd and it brings me to the conclusion there is a possible baddie connection there.

Elo/Epi: I don't think I need quotes to explain why I see a connection here. Elo 1.0 found him suspicious. Elo 2.0 seemed to do everything she could to excuse his behavior without outright saying she didn't suspect him anymore. But, the suspicion of these two is lessened for me by the most recent Night post. Odds are better in Epi's favor to be civ at this point given MM's death. And higher for Timmer to be Kilgrave, so the first connection looks more suspicious to me than this one at this point. But I don't feel like I can completely dismiss it either.

My civ read explanation:

DDL: Everything I saw from him looked like genuine attempts to baddie hunt. I don't know that I saw a single thing that looks suspiscious here.

Wilgy: I think I already mentioned this but Wilgy's Day 1 looked incredibly civ to me. And the response he got to his vote for timmer only made me feel even more like that was the case. He was low hanging fruit for some baddies if ever I saw it. I would say this is my most confident civ read in the game right now.

Scotty: Similar to DDL, Scotty's overall posts seem to genuine baddie hunting. There is something in his posts that make me less confident though, but I can't put my finger on what. I don't suspect him, but I am least confident in this civ read of all three.

No read on Sorsha since she is absent. And while I am not averse to voting people who are absent in general, I think we have enough to go on for now to leave her be until she gets back from vacation. Especially given the fact I myself was absent before this, lol.

There you go, those are all my thoughts after my catch up.

[DrWilgy]

Welcome back Daisy.

So I say we lynch Eloh 2.0 on the premise that she is Timmer's teammate.

[Epignosis]

Looking for timmer's teammates is all you have to do. He exposed himself worse than Anthony Weiner.

[DrWilgy]

Looking for timmer's teammates is all you have to do. He exposed himself worse than Anthony Weiner.

I agree with you for the wrong reason.

Epi who is Timmer's teammate?

[Epignosis]

Looking for timmer's teammates is all you have to do. He exposed himself worse than Anthony Weiner.

I agree with you for the wrong reason.

Epi who is Timmer's teammate?

No clue. Not even paying attention.

Probably you.

[Spacedaisy]

Welcome back Daisy.

So I say we lynch Eloh 2.0 on the premise that she is Timmer's teammate.

Where did you see a connection between Elo 2.0 and Timmer?

I saw what appeared to be a connection between Elo 2.0 and Epi or Timmer and INH personally.