Jessica Jones S1 Mafia - Day 5 (ENDGAME)

[Epignosis]

Epi, I take it from this that you suspect Wilgy?

I guess. I'm not really paying attention.

[Spacedaisy]

Epi, I take it from this that you suspect Wilgy?

I guess. I'm not really paying attention.

LOL, fair enough. At least you're honest.

[DrWilgy]

Holla

INh

If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.

Oh shit. Sorry

INH

I'm going to campaign against both Daisy and Scotty for not spelling out inh's full name underlined.

[Spacedaisy]

Holla

INh

If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.

Oh shit. Sorry

INH

I'm going to campaign against both Daisy and Scotty for not spelling out inh's full name underlined.

LMAO. I didn't realize that it mattered if I didn't spell it out completely. So to set your mind at ease..

insertnamehere

[Scotty]

Holla

INh

If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.

Oh shit. Sorry

INH

I'm going to campaign against both Daisy and Scotty for not spelling out inh's full name underlined.

LMAO. I didn't realize that it mattered if I didn't spell it out completely. So to set your mind at ease..

insertnamehere

It doesn't, people have been doing it all game without penalty. Hell, some people haven't even underlined at all. This is just Wilgy being Wilgy.

Now does this phase end tomorrow or did it already end?

[Spacedaisy]

Ah well... you do you Wilgy.

[DrWilgy]

Holla

INh

If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.

Oh shit. Sorry

INH

I'm going to campaign against both Daisy and Scotty for not spelling out inh's full name underlined.

LMAO. I didn't realize that it mattered if I didn't spell it out completely. So to set your mind at ease..

insertnamehere

It doesn't, people have been doing it all game without penalty. Hell, some people haven't even underlined at all. This is just Wilgy being Wilgy.

Now does this phase end tomorrow or did it already end?

The rules change every day

<3 <3 u2 Daisy!!

[Scotty]

Holla

INh

If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.

Oh shit. Sorry

INH

I'm going to campaign against both Daisy and Scotty for not spelling out inh's full name underlined.

LMAO. I didn't realize that it mattered if I didn't spell it out completely. So to set your mind at ease..

insertnamehere

It doesn't, people have been doing it all game without penalty. Hell, some people haven't even underlined at all. This is just Wilgy being Wilgy.

Now does this phase end tomorrow or did it already end?

The rules change every day

<3 <3 u2 Daisy!!

Woah she be married, sailor. Put your tongue away, ye scaliwag!

[Marmot]

If INH flips bad, I'll lynch Scotty for not underlining his name.

Oh shit. Sorry

INH

I'm going to campaign against both Daisy and Scotty for not spelling out inh's full name underlined.

LMAO. I didn't realize that it mattered if I didn't spell it out completely. So to set your mind at ease..

insertnamehere

It doesn't, people have been doing it all game without penalty. Hell, some people haven't even underlined at all. This is just Wilgy being Wilgy.

Now does this phase end tomorrow or did it already end?

The rules change every day

<3 <3 u2 Daisy!!

Woah she be married, sailor. Put your tongue away, ye scaliwag!

We're having a threeway, come join us!

[timmer]

Epi, I take it from this that you suspect Wilgy?

I guess. I'm not really paying attention.

He probably had Carmelo in DFS...

[DrWilgy]

Woah she be married, sailor. Put your tongue away, ye scaliwag!

Can I not love my friends ???

[insertnamehere]

First is INH/Timmer: If I am forced to choose between INH and Wilgy who both seem to think the other is bad, I would choose INH as bad and Wilgy as Civ. Wilgy's behavior reads very much civ to me, and I feel like he was low hanging fruit on Day 1 because he really drove the Day 1 lynch. Timmer's response read angry to me, and INH seems to have a bit of remorse. It looks like he might have placed a distancing vote that bit him in the ass. If Timmer is Kilgrave then he is the logical choice for a distancing vote on Day 1. The thing that really caught my eye though was this kind of innocuous post:

Not really sure how I can respond to this other than saying that my randomization was genuine, even if you don't believe the screenshot. So was my remorse after Wilgy decided to jump on Timmer at the last second.

Welp. Not really sure what to make of that. Timmer most likely has a power role, not sure if that means anything for his alignment.

Timmer, are you surprised at your pardoning?

The highlighted caught my eye because I found the wording to be off. Most people who don't know why someone didn't die would ask, "Are you surprised you didn't die?" Or perhaps, "Do you know why you didn't die?" But INH jumped straight to pardon, which implies a Civ reason for surviving a lynch usually. Pardoning is most often the mechanic used by a Mayor role. So to me it read like he either pardoned Timmer himself or he wanted to frame it as Civ as possible without defending him. Add in the fact I find his Day 1 behavior to be odd and it brings me to the conclusion there is a possible baddie connection there.

Oh boy. The "he used a specific word that implies that he's a baddie" argument.

To give you an inner working into my vocabulary and word choice, the reason I went with pardoning is because in Mad Max, the other game that I'm playing right now, pardons have been featured very prominently, and usually seem to involve myself. I guess I just had pardons on the brain. I also wanted to give Timmer an opportunity to defend himself because I felt he had been unfairly jumped upon earlier.



If that one word choice means that I must be scum, by all means...

[insertnamehere]

I'm going to wait for 7 hours and then vote. INH, Eloh, I would like full reads on all the players that are alive. If you are civ, convince me of your reads. I believe we are a day away from Lylo if this is a mislynch.

It is.

So, in order to help you guys out, I'm gonna give my reads on everyone. I realize the bandwagon has pretty much run me over already, so I'm gonna just assume I'm screwed and not bother with playing nice.

ASSUMPTIONS I'M MAKING:
1. Timmer = Kilgrave, mainly due to a lack of other options and his uninspiring defense.
2. Wilgy and Epi = Civ due to how Wilgy went after Timmer and Epi went after Timmer. Still absolutely hate the way Epi lead the dumbest lynch train imaginable against Indi.
3. I'm a mislynch, and some of the people ganging up against me know it. I don't care if me accusing the people who are accusing me looks like a NO U or only digging myself deeper into a hole already dug by others. This is the mafia equivalent of a last message. I'm starting off with the assumption that I'm already a goner.

LIST O' READS:

DrWilgy - As much as I dislike most everything he's done this game, if Timmer's bad, Wilgy ain't. Just wish he would stop being hypocritical in regards to acting erratically and expecting it to be ignored and accepted while pouncing on superficially erratic behavior when it comes from anyone else.
Epignosis - #JusticeforIndi - Another person who causes me to pompously lift my nose in disgust at their unreliable and civ-hostile gameplay. But, same logic applies. Epi is not gonna be on a team with Timmer.
Sorsha - Meh. This is the line of neutrality. Everyone below it has done something that makes me possibly see them as scum.
Elohcin - Don't like her enablement of Epi, and the stupid Day 2 debacle.
Dragon D. Luffy - The only person who isn't blindly rushing to condemn me. That's both a plus and a negative. Obviously, the scum knows that I'm gonna flip civ. So putting all of their eggs into a basket they know is headed for impact seems like a poor choice. His sudden "oh yeah, INH is being railroaded" moment isn't super convincing to me. Then again, he's the only other person not willing to ship me down the river, so that's nice.
Scotty - Blendy bleh meh. Don't really see his case against Elo.
Spacedaisy - Her condemnation of me because I used the word "pardoning" and subjective views of me buddying with Timmer don't ring true. They feel hollow. Looking at the four people who voted for me, logic would dictate that at least one of them is a baddie adding fuel to the fire. Daisy is my biggest choice for that position.
timmer - His patently BS role claim combined with the sorry lack of defense he's offered post Night 2 makes him look pretty guilty in my eyes.

BADDIE TEAM GUESSES:
timmer/daisy/scotty
ALT:
timmer/daisy/luffy
timmer/daisy/elo
timmer/scotty/luffy

[insertnamehere]

Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

Hmm.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Ruben

Ruben was some annoying "nice guy" weirdo who had a freaky, incest-y relationship with his sister, and lived in the same building as Jessica Jones. He died at the hands of the main villain in episode four and was generally a very minor character.

Considering the very limited number of power roles, I struggle to think of why Ruben would be one of them and be given invulnerability.

I think Timmer is:

A. Lying to protect a powerful civ role, like Kilgrave, Trish, or Luke
B. Lying to protect his real baddie power role.
C. Lying about knowing why he survived the lynch.

I think C is very unlikely.

Please discuss.

I'd like to make the people who think I'm buddy buddy with Timmer to explain away this post

[timmer]

Voting for DrWilgy.

[Scotty]

With INH "legacy" post it occurs to me that perhaps I am being bamboozled by both wilgy and Spacedaisy. But if we are wrong and INH is in fact good, it might be a moot point anyway if this is as close to LyLo as I think it might be.

I can see a SD/Wilgy combo with timmer's WIFOM vote for Wilgy, but also wouldn't be surprised at a SD/Elo 2.0. She was my first choice of lynch today but figured consolidation was best under the circumstances.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Never underestimate Epi's ability to bus people.

Im only hesitating to call him bad right now because MM's hint is just that convincing.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If IHN bothered to write that post even though he is bad Im gonna lmao

[DrWilgy]

If IHN bothered to write that post even though he is bad Im gonna lmao

I agree. I need to relook at everyone.

A problem that we have is that Sriracha is still in the game and has no posts. If we manage to kill a baddie today or tomorrow, I think we need to murk her for being unreadable..

[Elohcin]

so, I am overwhelmed and cannot think clearly today. I have been blessed beyond what I could ever think or imagine and mafia is low on my list, sorry. SO....I am bandwagoning. I haven't been keeping up.

[insertnamehere]

If IHN bothered to write that post even though he is bad Im gonna lmao

With INH "legacy" post it occurs to me that perhaps I am being bamboozled by both wilgy and Spacedaisy. But if we are wrong and INH is in fact good, it might be a moot point anyway if this is as close to LyLo as I think it might be.

If IHN bothered to write that post even though he is bad Im gonna lmao

I agree. I need to relook at everyone.

They said without changing their votes...

[DrWilgy]

Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

Hmm.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Ruben

Ruben was some annoying "nice guy" weirdo who had a freaky, incest-y relationship with his sister, and lived in the same building as Jessica Jones. He died at the hands of the main villain in episode four and was generally a very minor character.

Considering the very limited number of power roles, I struggle to think of why Ruben would be one of them and be given invulnerability.

I think Timmer is:

A. Lying to protect a powerful civ role, like Kilgrave, Trish, or Luke
B. Lying to protect his real baddie power role.
C. Lying about knowing why he survived the lynch.

I think C is very unlikely.

Please discuss.

I'd like to make the people who think I'm buddy buddy with Timmer to explain away this post

I thought it was a neutral post INH. It didn't favor Timmer to be good or bad, rather just a liar.

I'm pretty sure votes aren't changable. Let me double check.

[insertnamehere]

so, I am overwhelmed and cannot think clearly today. I have been blessed beyond what I could ever think or imagine and mafia is low on my list, sorry. SO....I am bandwagoning. I haven't been keeping up.

This is why I will always advocate randomization.

I'd like to switch Scotty and Elo's rankings on my read list.

[insertnamehere]

Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

Hmm.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Ruben

Ruben was some annoying "nice guy" weirdo who had a freaky, incest-y relationship with his sister, and lived in the same building as Jessica Jones. He died at the hands of the main villain in episode four and was generally a very minor character.

Considering the very limited number of power roles, I struggle to think of why Ruben would be one of them and be given invulnerability.

I think Timmer is:

A. Lying to protect a powerful civ role, like Kilgrave, Trish, or Luke
B. Lying to protect his real baddie power role.
C. Lying about knowing why he survived the lynch.

I think C is very unlikely.

Please discuss.

I'd like to make the people who think I'm buddy buddy with Timmer to explain away this post

I thought it was a neutral post INH. It didn't favor Timmer to be good or bad, rather just a liar.

I'm pretty sure votes aren't changable. Let me double check.

Why would I call out Timmer's lie and make it much more likely for him to be Kilgrave?

[Spacedaisy]

Sorry, I read some of this at work, but couldn't respond until now. So here we go...

First is INH/Timmer: If I am forced to choose between INH and Wilgy who both seem to think the other is bad, I would choose INH as bad and Wilgy as Civ. Wilgy's behavior reads very much civ to me, and I feel like he was low hanging fruit on Day 1 because he really drove the Day 1 lynch. Timmer's response read angry to me, and INH seems to have a bit of remorse. It looks like he might have placed a distancing vote that bit him in the ass. If Timmer is Kilgrave then he is the logical choice for a distancing vote on Day 1. The thing that really caught my eye though was this kind of innocuous post:

Not really sure how I can respond to this other than saying that my randomization was genuine, even if you don't believe the screenshot. So was my remorse after Wilgy decided to jump on Timmer at the last second.

Welp. Not really sure what to make of that. Timmer most likely has a power role, not sure if that means anything for his alignment.

Timmer, are you surprised at your pardoning?

The highlighted caught my eye because I found the wording to be off. Most people who don't know why someone didn't die would ask, "Are you surprised you didn't die?" Or perhaps, "Do you know why you didn't die?" But INH jumped straight to pardon, which implies a Civ reason for surviving a lynch usually. Pardoning is most often the mechanic used by a Mayor role. So to me it read like he either pardoned Timmer himself or he wanted to frame it as Civ as possible without defending him. Add in the fact I find his Day 1 behavior to be odd and it brings me to the conclusion there is a possible baddie connection there.

Oh boy. The "he used a specific word that implies that he's a baddie" argument.

To give you an inner working into my vocabulary and word choice, the reason I went with pardoning is because in Mad Max, the other game that I'm playing right now, pardons have been featured very prominently, and usually seem to involve myself. I guess I just had pardons on the brain. I also wanted to give Timmer an opportunity to defend himself because I felt he had been unfairly jumped upon earlier.



If that one word choice means that I must be scum, by all means...

Regarding the word "pardon" I haven't followed Mad Max at all, so I had no clue about that. No, one word does not make you a baddie, it was just something that seemed to add to what the other things seemed to be saying to me. However, your explanation makes sense and I get it.

Hey Timmer, what character are you?

Someone named Ruben. You?

Hmm.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Ruben

Ruben was some annoying "nice guy" weirdo who had a freaky, incest-y relationship with his sister, and lived in the same building as Jessica Jones. He died at the hands of the main villain in episode four and was generally a very minor character.

Considering the very limited number of power roles, I struggle to think of why Ruben would be one of them and be given invulnerability.

I think Timmer is:

A. Lying to protect a powerful civ role, like Kilgrave, Trish, or Luke
B. Lying to protect his real baddie power role.
C. Lying about knowing why he survived the lynch.

I think C is very unlikely.

Please discuss.

I'd like to make the people who think I'm buddy buddy with Timmer to explain away this post

Pretty straightforward. Look you voted Timmer "randomly" on D1. But then when Wilgy throws a vote on him, suddenly you're making a case for him instead. It really looks like you placed a distancing vote and then turned around and latched onto the low hanging fruit on D1 to me. If you can't see why I might think that about your D1 actions, then I don't know what to tell you dude. Call it hollow all you want but it was what struck me as suspicious.

Also this post doesn't clear anything, you called Kilgrave a civ role, which we now know is not at all the case. So you aligned the Kilgrave role with the civ side. Yeah you threw out some reasoning that could cast doubt on him, but I already believed you to be distancing from him, so that doesn't surprise me at all.

Your posts have me doubting what I felt pretty confident about before this, but I am all in already. Sorry if I am wrong, but I voted according to how it looked to me.

I might have waited longer, but this post

3 hours left until I vote for INH or Eloh.

Who should I vote out of these 2?

made me think the vote ended earlier than it did. I apologize for jumping the gun guys, hoping it didn't just bite us in the ass.

Also finding it really interesting that some people were all agreeing with my assessment of what I was reading in my catch up, and now suddenly I'm on their list for the exact same reason they were agreeing with me before. Yeah...

Linki: INH, votes are not changeable right now.

[DrWilgy]

Did we know about Kilgrave at the time INH?

Also the fact that INH thought votes were changable when that post was made makes me feel alittle better.

[insertnamehere]

lol @ everyone voting for me yesterday when I'm not around, and then not responding to any of my posts except with a "huh. maybe this case is BS after all" followed by nothing else.

C'mon guys. You can do better. This is how Epi managed to mislynch Indi for no reason, and how I'm about to be mislynched.

This is what happens when you ignore analysis in favor of gut reads. Gut reads are useful, don't get me wrong, but they shouldn't be the end-all, be-all like they are here.

Maybe my "playstyle" just doesn't mesh with the groups, idk.

[Spacedaisy]

I don't know Wilgy, I'm not sure when what info was revealed since I wasn't engaged at the start.

I don't think the case is BS. I still think you have acted the most like what I would expect a timmer teammate to act like. It's just your seeming sincerity right now that is worrying me.

[DrWilgy]

lol @ everyone voting for me yesterday when I'm not around, and then not responding to any of my posts except with a "huh. maybe this case is BS after all" followed by nothing else.

C'mon guys. You can do better. This is how Epi managed to mislynch Indi for no reason, and how I'm about to be mislynched.

This is what happens when you ignore analysis in favor of gut reads. Gut reads are useful, don't get me wrong, but they shouldn't be the end-all, be-all like they are here.

Maybe my "playstyle" just doesn't mesh with the groups, idk.

Dude, I gave a full heads up as to when I'd vote, along with plenty for you to respond to.

[Scotty]

Did we know about Kilgrave at the time INH?

Also the fact that INH thought votes were changable when that post was made makes me feel alittle better.

Agreed.

I also think that if INH flips bad, it may not be a bad idea like you said to murk Sorsha. I think Elo has more going against her however, like this late bandwagon vote.

[insertnamehere]

Weren't votes changeable Day 2?

Is that gonna be different every single day, or are votes permanently permanent?

And could you people please give a person a chance to actually defend themselves before voting, especially when it's set in stone?

[insertnamehere]

lol @ everyone voting for me yesterday when I'm not around, and then not responding to any of my posts except with a "huh. maybe this case is BS after all" followed by nothing else.

C'mon guys. You can do better. This is how Epi managed to mislynch Indi for no reason, and how I'm about to be mislynched.

This is what happens when you ignore analysis in favor of gut reads. Gut reads are useful, don't get me wrong, but they shouldn't be the end-all, be-all like they are here.

Maybe my "playstyle" just doesn't mesh with the groups, idk.

Dude, I gave a full heads up as to when I'd vote, along with plenty for you to respond to.

I apologize for missing that window of time, unfortunately it looks like that's cost me my life in the game.

So ya.

[DrWilgy]

I looked it up. INH, your point about lying came up day 1, we didn't know about kilgrave until this cycle.

I no longer wish to change my vote. Let the sword fall.

Linki - I did. I gave you a full 2r hours into this day cycle. I stated I would too. I'm not going to wait till eod (which for some reason is a bad meme).

[DrWilgy]

*24

[Spacedaisy]

Did we know about Kilgrave at the time INH?

Also the fact that INH thought votes were changable when that post was made makes me feel alittle better.

Agreed.

I also think that if INH flips bad, it may not be a bad idea like you said to murk Sorsha. I think Elo has more going against her however, like this late bandwagon vote.

I agree with this.

[insertnamehere]

Did we know about Kilgrave at the time INH?

Also the fact that INH thought votes were changable when that post was made makes me feel alittle better.

Well, Kilgrave is the big bad guy of the series that directly inspired the game, so I thought it was safe to assume he was in the role list and had some sort of powers. Invulnerability could certainly be a part of that.

[a2thezebra]

insertnamehere is dead. He was Malcolm Ducasse, town-aligned.

Night 3 begins now and ends in 24 hours.

Also, I told everyone from the get go to watch the opening post. Any confusion that any player has over rule consistency is their own fault.

[insertnamehere]

I looked it up. INH, your point about lying came up day 1, we didn't know about kilgrave until this cycle.

I no longer wish to change my vote. Let the sword fall.

Linki - I did. I gave you a full 2r hours into this day cycle. I stated I would too. I'm not going to wait till eod (which for some reason is a bad meme).

I'm sorry that I wasn't able to follow your prescribed schedule and prevent you from lynching a civilian.

This is all my fault for not trying hard enough.

[a2thezebra]

Notice to all players: The setup will open at dawn.

[DrWilgy]

/sigh

[insertnamehere]

I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOO



just had to get that out of my system

[a2thezebra]

I looked it up. INH, your point about lying came up day 1, we didn't know about kilgrave until this cycle.

I no longer wish to change my vote. Let the sword fall.

Linki - I did. I gave you a full 2r hours into this day cycle. I stated I would too. I'm not going to wait till eod (which for some reason is a bad meme).

I'm sorry that I wasn't able to follow your prescribed schedule and prevent you from lynching a civilian.

This is all my fault for not trying hard enough.

Hush, corpse.

[insertnamehere]

/sigh

/heavier sigh

[a2thezebra]

I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOO



just had to get that out of my system

Boy if you don't

[insertnamehere]

I looked it up. INH, your point about lying came up day 1, we didn't know about kilgrave until this cycle.

I no longer wish to change my vote. Let the sword fall.

Linki - I did. I gave you a full 2r hours into this day cycle. I stated I would too. I'm not going to wait till eod (which for some reason is a bad meme).

I'm sorry that I wasn't able to follow your prescribed schedule and prevent you from lynching a civilian.

This is all my fault for not trying hard enough.

Hush, corpse.

i legit didn't see your post when I pressed submit on that

[DrWilgy]

/sigh

/heavier sigh

/Sighs slightly less than the zombie

Linki - You did. Grumble grumble.

[insertnamehere]

wait are dead player posts not allowed

shit

sorry

delete everything

[a2thezebra]

wait are dead player posts not allowed

shit

sorry

delete everything

All site rules apply. That means on-topic dead player posts are not allowed, you should already know that. I'm not deleting shit tho

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Sigh.

There is no such thing as an obvious baddie at Mafia Syndicate.

[DrWilgy]

Welp, if theres another day we need to hit a baddie.

If Sriracha is one of the baddies preventing Timmer from dying I'm gonna be pissed.