Jessica Jones S1 Mafia - Day 5 (ENDGAME)

#451

Elohcin wrote:I have been busy. I just got home. I thought I'd see what I was missing out on in Mafia. But, it looks like not much. The night hasn't even ended! SO, I guess that is good news.

Yes, and I'll ask again- any observations or thoughts about the game that you would like to report?

A bunch of us have overlap thinking that you are bad. Who do you think is bad?

#452

timmer wrote:Exactly.

Who are your teammates.

I'll give you a dollar. A Canadian one. Because that's all I got on me right now

#453

Scotty wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I have been busy. I just got home. I thought I'd see what I was missing out on in Mafia. But, it looks like not much. The night hasn't even ended! SO, I guess that is good news.
Yes, and I'll ask again- any observations or thoughts about the game that you would like to report?

A bunch of us have overlap thinking that you are bad. Who do you think is bad?

And I don't know why people think I'm bad either. Can you tell me why?

#454

Night 3 has ended.

Dragon D. Luffy has been killed. He was Kozlov, town-aligned.

Day 4 begins now. You have 48 hours to lynch a baddie.

At some point today, the setup will open.

#455

So who are Epig's and Wilgy's teammates???

#456

timmer wrote:So who are Epig's and Wilgy's teammates???

Teammates? How many teammates are two people supposed to have?

And why haven't you voted for one of us yet?

#457

Gary Johnson is bad.[/dead

#458

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Gary Johnson is bad.

Nah, pretty sure he's indie

#459

Thanks for the game!

#460

*Cracks knuckles*

A "random" vote for Sorsha.

timmer wrote:This is a friendly reminder to CHANGE YOUR SETTINGS if you just turned back your clock last night.

I'm at work, and can't be around. Randomizing via asking my coworker to pick a name off of the poll gets Sorsha my vote.

A "coworker" picked a name. Yeah right. I bet timmer wasn't even "at work." He was probably researching fantasy football and rostering duds like Lance Kendricks and J.J. Nelson.

Dr.Wilgy voted for him and gave him two votes and the lead:

DrWilgy wrote:Voted Timmer to cull a random voter and to prevent ties.

timmer wrote:Da fuq? My first game back in the saddle in awhile? Et tu, Wilgy?

timmer wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:Da fuq? My first game back in the saddle in awhile? Et tu, Wilgy?
Sorry Timmer, when everyone random votes/doesn't show up this happens.
Or one of your baddie friends was one of the people with a vote and you had to save them?

I had to go through and see which handful of people had votes.

I voted indiglo- she wasn't bad.

indiglo, who already had my vote, randomly voted DDL.

timmer voted Sorsha.

INH voted timmer.

DrWilgy voted timmer right after asking zebra about what would happen in a tie, not waiting for a response even though he posted again right after zebra answered the question. n.b. DrWilgy called me bad throughout Day 1, but didn't vote for me.

For timmer's accusation of Wilgy to mean something, it would have to mean that timmer is also accusing one of indiglo, DDL, or Sorsha as bad. indiglo wasn't bad.

timmer wrote:So you random voted random voters, Wilgy? How's that high horse?

timmer wrote:I'm going to try not to get pissed off about this, but when someone spends the start of the game goofing off and being all jokey and then decides to single-handedly suddenly become the arbiter of proper play and choose to cull someone who random voted, because THAT isn't helpful, I call B.S.

For timmer's outrage to be genuine, he would have to honestly believe that Wilgy was "goofing off and being all jokey" before sealing in timmer's second vote. Does he himself believe this?

timmer wrote:But you didn't have to. It's the same odds, either way. Looking at the votes, and considering your banter in Day 0, I'm guessing you and Epig are teamies.

Suddenly DrWilgy's contributions Day 1 are no longer goofing off and being all jokey- there's actual meaning there, which points to me being bad, timmer guesses.

That was a swift turnaround. My view here is that timmer and DrWilgy are teammates, and Wilgy knew timmer would survive when nobody else did, and that people would assume a mafia member surviving a lynch would be unbalanced. I don't think they anticipated their secret being revealed when MM shot himself. It's almost as though timmer is pushing a teammate's lynch in order to set the mob upon me the following phase. But that plan is so amateur. Surely it can't be that simple! Surely the likes of-

timmer wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
timmer wrote:But you didn't have to. It's the same odds, either way. Looking at the votes, and considering your banter in Day 0, I'm guessing you and Epig are teamies.
Woah woah woah.

I don't have a lot in common with Dez Bryant today, but one thing I am not is bad.
LOL. No worries, I would never vote you or try to suggest people vote you. Day 0 banter only becomes relevant after one of the parties is shown to be bad, so considering that it is Wilgy's vote alone in play here, my attentions are entirely on him. Only if I find out I'm right will I turn my gaze.... to you.

Oh.

One takeaway here is timmer's use of the future real conditional, which indicates he knew he wasn't going to get lynched.

DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:Oh, lol, I misread the poll, I thought Epig had had a vote against him. Well, there goes everything. Stellar play, Timmer. Really sniffed 'em out. Le sigh. Where's the lynch post...
I see now. Had one of the 4 I declared voteworthy earlier had a vote, I would've voted for them instead of you.

Is that to imply that Wilgy didn't really find timmer worthy of his vote? Then why vote there? Why not leave it to chance? Why not wait fifteen minutes for zebra to answer your question before voting?

timmer wrote:My problems with Wilgy were based on inattention to detail on my part. I'm going to reset my pinions and start fresh.

Making mistakes and acknowledging those mistakes is a way to appear genuine.

timmer wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Hey Timmer, what character are you?
Someone named Ruben. You?

This isn't meaningful.

He addresses Eloh for the first time- right after she subs back in after being killed, and only asks her about me.

timmer wrote:
indiglo wrote:RIP Elo, and welcome back.

No one has mentioned it, so I will. Does it mean anything that she was immediately pinged by Epi, and she was obviously a civ?

It's a valid question... how many times, as a civ, have they voiced suspicion about the other and been wrong vs been right?

@Eloh, what IS your current opinion of Epig?

I am going to look into her in a moment, but I can already tell you it isn't good.

timmer wrote:So... yeah, that happened.

I have no concrete opinion on Epig's push against indiglo. I've seen him pull early game gambits as both civ and baddie, so whether he has a power role and found something out re: indi, or is just trying to push to see what happens, i can't tell.

@Epig, is this pure gut? Are you asking us to follow you on this? What should we think of you, if you turn out to be wrong?

What purpose does this post serve? How am I supposed to answer that last question?

"Well gee, timmer, if I'm wrong, you should think that I'm bad and come and get me!"

timmer wrote:The case against indiglo is... Epig's gut. I'm not liking it, tbh.

timmer wrote:Voted for Epig. I see literally no case on indiglo.

This is important.

timmer votes me because there isn't a case on indiglo. Consider the others who voted indiglo based on what amounts to nothing, according to him: DDL, MM, or Elohcin (!).

DDL gave his reason:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Indiglo still feels suspish. She is talking about game mechanics almost all the time (which is a classic tell), and her friendliness seems forced at points. She is there, and she is posting, but she is not doing much.

MM said he would rather vote me but did an about-face, voting indiglo instead.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
timmer wrote:The case against indiglo is... Epig's gut. I'm not liking it, tbh.
I'd rather vote Epignosis to be honest.
No you wouldn't. That'd be silly.
You're right, I'm voting indiglo.

Of course, MM tried to kill me, so there's that.

Eloh's vote is worthy of scrutiny here, especially from timmer. No scrutiny ever comes. Don't worry- it's coming. Just not from timmer.

Instead of scrunity, timmer provides faux-outrage:

timmer wrote:Epig gets my vote every day until one of us is dead. What B.S.

Again- no honest appraisal of DDL, MM, or Eloh.

timmer wrote:Flipped back through the day. It really doesn't seem like a lot of people put much thought into that indiglo lynch. And Epig knew people were following him and didn't say much to remind people that he was apparently operating on gut. Ionno my gut tells me he's bad.

@Epig, can you reasonably give me reasons to think you are civ?

timmer argues that it was my responsibility to remind my "followers" that I was "apparently operating on gut."

His gut tells him I'm bad.

Huh.

My vote wasn't a gut vote. My vote was an ass vote. As in, I was voting out of my ass. I haven't even been reading the thread very much, I'm sorry to say. That changes today.

The fact that timmer places all the blame of the indiglo lynch on a guy who wasn't reading the thread but still somehow owed my lemmings some sort of "voter discretion advised" message is a smokescreen. Somebody who voted indiglo is bad, as timmer is unwilling to provide any scrutiny on the voters who trusted a guy who was barely paying any attention.

timmer wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Marmot, who will die tonight? Me, or INH?

DF, what are your thoughts on the Epi voters?
Hopefully Epignosis.
I mean, Hello. ^

DrWilgy wrote:
timmer wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Them odds tho.
That post, tho. I'm sorry, but MM's dead hand is pointing DIRECTLY at you.

A civ with a one-shot kill targeted someone, and they know if they target the wrong guy they will die instead. What do they do? They leave a little nugget in the thread immediately before the night ends, just in case. MM wasn't even trying to be subtle about it. You and Wilgy are willfully ignoring the obvious. YOU got indiglo lynched. WILGY tried to get me lynched. The two of you have led every lynch so far, with B.S. reasons, and now you are trying to move the thread past MM pointing directly at you.

But since clearly MM targeted you and clearly he died, I can't vote you. So I will be voting for Wilgy today, barring an insane change in the available information to me.

And no, I won't tell you what i think of surviving the lynch, Wilgy, I'm not going to hand you that information.
Ok then Timmer, I'm classifying you as a baddie. We are at a point now where we cannot withold any information we have. You are the player who survived, and we have a confirmed kill surviving baddie role.

It makes sense that MM pointed towards Epi, but MM's role suicided on civilian kills as well. You are clearly ignoring the fact that Epi could be a civ, and you are forcing this idea that he has to be the bad one.

Also, what is up with you classifying my vote as BS? I thought we already discussed this. Stop going in circles.

In regards to not witholding information, I'm Louise Thompson, vanilla civ.

The one exception to this can be answered in the following question. Zebra have you lied in any of your host's posts?

To summarize, timmer called me Kilgrave right out of the gate.

DrWilgy points out the (obvious) flaw in timmer's accusation. For anyone on the fence about this, it's very simple.

MM could kill somebody. If that person is a civilian or the protected mafia member, MM dies. MM died. He evidently targeted me. There are many more civilians than protected mafia members (at the time, it was something like 8 or 9 to 1).

timmer survived a lynch. He did not go into detail about why he survived, but keep in mind I pointed out that timmer's use of the future tense before his lynch post indicates that he knew he wasn't going to die, as he was making plans in the thread before the lynch post revealed his survival. So it cannot be that someone pardoned him.

The revelation of a protected Mafia member (and the exact mechanics of that protection) would have been a shocking strike to the mafia, since until that point people were assuming timmer was pardoned or had a built in protection from a lynch, both of which are traditionally civilian abilities. That possibility no longer exists unless you are willing to take the 10% odds or so that I am bad.

With that revelation, Wilgy has no choice but to take off the gloves.

timmer wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, I take it from this that you suspect Wilgy?
I guess. I'm not really paying attention.
He probably had Carmelo in DFS...

I would just like to say that I don't think I have ever taken Carmelo Anthony before...wish I had last night. Dude had a great second half.

timmer wrote:Voting for DrWilgy.

Remember that timmer linked Wilgy and me together after Day 1, but then backed off of that premise. After the mafia mechanics are revealed, he has little choice but to go back to that pairing.

My verdict at this time is that the mafia team is timmer, DrWilgy, and Elohcin.

#461

Elohcin BR (Before Replacement)

Spoiler: show

Eloh wasted no time expressing her incredulity of my indiglo suspicion or Wilgy's reaction to it.

Elohcin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Elohcin wrote:well, no. But I am surprised you are just taking that without asking for a reason.
He showed courage with placing the first vote and answered a question I had. It's also day 1, and thus I don't expect super concrete reasons for voting.
Maybe its just me, but every time wilgy posts, it makes me think more and more that he and Epi could be teammates. Am I the only one thinking this? I know Epi personally and I don't see his voting first as a show of courage. I don't understand why you would say that. It seems so much like a cover.

Eloh was inclined to consider Wilgy and me teammates. That's important for later.

Elohcin wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:DrWilgy is my top civread.
Why so?

DrWilgy wrote:My question for you Eloh, how is me respecting Epi a cover up when I had said nothing about how I read his alignment?
Listen, I am not trying to jump to conclusions here. Its just when I read your posts, it popped out to me as odd. Normally when someone votes early and states no reason, players are like, "woah dude, you still have time to mull things over. And if you are voting with no reasons to back it up, then " So....I am like...hmm, this is an odd response to an early vote with no reasons to back it up. This is the exact opposite of what I would except. SO....I am pinged. That's all.

DrWilgy wrote:Everyone randoming gives us nothing to work with. Posting low also gives us nothing to work with.

Due to numbers, it's probable that not all low posters and random voters can be bad, but who would like to bet that at least one is?
I agree with this. And, can you agree that Epi's early vote with no reasons attached is just as bad?

Epi, I have asked your for your reasons behind your vote. You have yet to answer. Will you please do so?

@ Wilgy....so you suspect Epi (as per your rainbow list). Why?

Eloh continued to press me about my indiglo vote, and presses Wilgy about respecting me / suspecting me.

As a side note, Wilgy wants to know who would like to bet that one of the low posters or random voters is bad. You want to know who was a low poster?

Dom wrote:hi

Eloh missed the vote and got popped.

++++

Elohcin AR (After Replacement)

Elohcin wrote:Honestly Timmer, I am not sure what to think about Epi. The last game we played together and this one....he automatically came in on Day 1 and voted someone for no reason whatsoever. It just doesn't seem like him. Maybe he is being a bad baddie. Maybe he is being a lazy civ. I don't know what to think. All I know is it seems abnormal and it doesn't jive with me. If I had not missed the vote Day 1, though, I would have voted Wilgy. He pinged me more than Epi just by his response to Epi.

I need to catch up on the few posts I haven't read since my death and I may find this answer as I read, but what do you think of Epi and his Day 1 vote. And, what do you think of Wilgy?

This is, obviously, in response to timmer, who had nothing to say to or about Eloh until she replaced Dom. Eloh's answer was that, had she voted, she would have voted Wilgy. She had made a post about missing the lynch in her previous incarnation, but did not say who she would have voted.

Spoiler: show

Despite the length of this post, it's mostly just questions and commentary about herself and me.

Elohcin wrote:
indiglo wrote:@ Elo, regarding #3 - It just means you were pinged by him and you were not his baddie team mate when he pinged you. It was a genuine ping.
Oh okay, I see. Yes. It's funny. Because even when I am bad I try to pretend to myself that I am civ and I still look for "genuine" pings. (Oftentimes there is more than one baddie team anyway.) So...I never would have come to that conclusion. I rarely lie in Mafia. Lots of times players claim my pings are made up. But they are always genuine to me even if they sound absurd to others.

I'm including this because this is the second time indiglo interacted with Eloh AR.

Spoiler: show

All of this is true.

Elohcin wrote:
DFaraday wrote:
I also don't see why Epi should necessarily be suspicious for his early, reasonless vote. It's not like he has a track record of doing that as a baddie. I don't feel civ about him per se, but that vote alone isn't enough to ping me.

I think I have come to this conclusion myself as well. I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him.

I wonder what she thinks my motivation was that she couldn't reveal. I've already said now that I wasn't reading the thread much and just voted out of my butt.

Elohcin wrote:I am having a hard time deciding who I don't trust. Wilgy would be top of my list just b/c of responses and overall tone...but of course I have shared this before.

Indeed.

Elohcin wrote: I think I can trust Scotty this game.

Why?

Elohcin wrote:Timmer is being helpful and I think I can trust him.

At that point, timmer had randomly voted Sorsha, mysteriously survived a lynch, and only after your replacement of Dom did he interact with you at all, and it was only to question you about me. That was all timmer had done at the time you posted this. How else was timmer being helpful?

Elohcin wrote:DF, though he hasn't posted a whole lot seems civ to me.

Okay. Why?

Elohcin wrote:Heck maybe Epi was right and indiglo is bad.

Heck nope.

Keep in mind, Eloh earlier gave this mysterious proclamation: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him."

That means Eloh was thinking there was a different reason why I voted indiglo beyond merely thinking she was bad, but later Eloh reduces the matter to "Heck, maybe Epi was right."

Elohcin wrote:Or possibly one of the baddies is a low poster.

Dom wrote:hi

SCAVENGER HUNT TIME

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
indiglo wrote:Dude, the distancing is a good idea. Just be sure not to make it too obvious. I like the plan though. You're going to get mega civ cred!
You're bad. You're usually one to come out and lead, but you're not doing that. You are hanging back. You are bad. You should be lynched.
This is what I meant by indiglo playing it safe. Thank you, Epi for adding reasons to your vote. I am going to vote indiglo. She is my only suspicion today.

Who can find where Eloh said indiglo was playing it safe?

The winner gets a 4 night, 5 day trip to Finald where Vompatti will hold you against his bosom and sing lullabies and Japanese RIO songs.

Elohcin wrote:
Scotty wrote:Well fak.

I'm almost inclined to vote Wilgy tomorrow just because he has the most posts and hasn't been NK'd.

If there is a tomorrow.
This certainly is an interesting thought. But what about Wilgy other than his number of posts makes you think the mafia would want to kill him?

This is a slight defense of DrWilgy.

Elohcin wrote:I have been busy. I just got home. I thought I'd see what I was missing out on in Mafia. But, it looks like not much. The night hasn't even ended! SO, I guess that is good news.

You prefer Nights to Days?

#462

And as predicted, DDL ded.

In RE: Epi's post concerning timmer-
As a baddie, is timmer usually so combative/distancing against his own team this early? His dueling with Wilgy there after Wilgy calls him out does seem genuine. But then if timmer is bad, then it doesn't matter. All the world's a stage. I don't know why timmer's still pushing the charade that you're bad.

Epi, I see that you are also curious about Elo. She has been a sure-fire Lady shrugs-a-lot since subbing in, and has been on both DDL's and SD's radar.

If we had to lynch someone just based on what's in the thread, I would propose Elo>Wilgy>SD>everyone else.

#463

Zebra when do we get open set up?

#464

Epi, I can see your case against Wilgy but I went down that road with INH (pursuing a seeming teammate connection) and was very wrong. Plus his actions have read very civ to me. I have yet to see anything from him that reads like a bad Wilgy to me.

Elo is someone I would be interested in possibly pursuing today though. You've made the same point I have regarding the shady nature of her vote for Indi and lack of reason for it.

#465

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, I can see your case against Wilgy but I went down that road with INH (pursuing a seeming teammate connection) and was very wrong. Plus his actions have read very civ to me. I have yet to see anything from him that reads like a bad Wilgy to me.

Elo is someone I would be interested in possibly pursuing today though. You've made the same point I have regarding the shady nature of her vote for Indi and lack of reason for it.

What would look like bad Wilgy to you, and how is this different?

#466

DrWilgy wrote:Zebra when do we get open set up?

idk at some point before the day ends

#467

Bad Wilgy seems to play up his mysterious/unpredictable persona to me. The Wilgy I am seeing here seems like he is actually trying. I dunno.

#468

Spacedaisy wrote:Bad Wilgy seems to play up his mysterious/unpredictable persona to me. The Wilgy I am seeing here seems like he is actually trying. I dunno.

Daisy, I never try. You know how lazy I am.

I'll be back to play sometime in the evening.

#469

Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.

#470

Elohcin wrote:Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.

How busy you are has nothing to do with what role Dom got. I'm not asking for a dissertation. There's no need to address me point by point. I'll make it easy for you:

1. What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

2. Where did you say indiglo was playing it safe?

3. You said, regarding my baseless suspicion of indiglo: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. " Why did you think I suspected indiglo and why couldn't you reveal it at the time?

4. Would you lynch DrWilgy or wouldn't you?

#471

/wild sock appears

#472

Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.
How busy you are has nothing to do with what role Dom got. I'm not asking for a dissertation. There's no need to address me point by point. I'll make it easy for you:

1. What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

2. Where did you say indiglo was playing it safe?

3. You said, regarding my baseless suspicion of indiglo: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. " Why did you think I suspected indiglo and why couldn't you reveal it at the time?

4. Would you lynch DrWilgy or wouldn't you?

1. I'm not aware that it was as soon as I replaced in that I said I thought timmer was trustworthy. But I do remember thinking I ought to share my thoughts of who I thought was good or bad. And honestly, it was a combination of Elo 1.0 and Elo 2.0. My new role didn't affect my perspective.

2. I believe I said that I thought she was playing it safe as Elo. 1.0. Let me see if I can find it. .............................Hmm, I must have only thought it and not stated it

3. A previous game we were both in, you were civ and you voted for me Day 1 for no reason whatsoever and you stated as much. I thought it could have been a slight way of you trying to communicate to me, "hey, I'm civ." But I didn't catch that this could be until I posted it. So...yes, I hounded you for your lack of reasoning. But...I think you are civ now after that. BUT, I could be totally off and it have no meaning whatsoever and you could be bad bad bad.

4. Would I lynch Wilgy? Sure if you guys think he is bad. Like I said, I haven't been following the thread. And like I also said, I think randomizing is worse than jumping on a bandwagon. I think bandwagoning shows faith in the people. You can all disagree with me if you want..I don't care.

#473

MovingPictures07 wrote:/wild sock appears

/throws pokeball

#474

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.
How busy you are has nothing to do with what role Dom got. I'm not asking for a dissertation. There's no need to address me point by point. I'll make it easy for you:

1. What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

2. Where did you say indiglo was playing it safe?

3. You said, regarding my baseless suspicion of indiglo: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. " Why did you think I suspected indiglo and why couldn't you reveal it at the time?

4. Would you lynch DrWilgy or wouldn't you?
1. I'm not aware that it was as soon as I replaced in that I said I thought timmer was trustworthy. But I do remember thinking I ought to share my thoughts of who I thought was good or bad. And honestly, it was a combination of Elo 1.0 and Elo 2.0. My new role didn't affect my perspective.

2. I believe I said that I thought she was playing it safe as Elo. 1.0. Let me see if I can find it. .............................Hmm, I must have only thought it and not stated it

3. A previous game we were both in, you were civ and you voted for me Day 1 for no reason whatsoever and you stated as much. I thought it could have been a slight way of you trying to communicate to me, "hey, I'm civ." But I didn't catch that this could be until I posted it. So...yes, I hounded you for your lack of reasoning. But...I think you are civ now after that. BUT, I could be totally off and it have no meaning whatsoever and you could be bad bad bad.

4. Would I lynch Wilgy? Sure if you guys think he is bad. Like I said, I haven't been following the thread. And like I also said, I think randomizing is worse than jumping on a bandwagon. I think bandwagoning shows faith in the people. You can all disagree with me if you want..I don't care.

Eloh, this is most likely lylo. We don't have the leisure to not care. Would you lynch me or not?

#475

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Epi, I see you have had a lot of time to play Mafia today. As you know...I have not. And now that it's after dinner, I just want to relax. I know you have lots of questions, especially why I trust who I trust this game. I chalk it all up to tone and participation. But that answer is only with days ago in mind. I haven't been able to keep up the past few days. And I am super busy this week with work. So..lynch me, don;t lynch me. Whatevs. All I can say is that I know you don't want to lose a civ. So you might want to look elsewhere.
How busy you are has nothing to do with what role Dom got. I'm not asking for a dissertation. There's no need to address me point by point. I'll make it easy for you:

1. What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

2. Where did you say indiglo was playing it safe?

3. You said, regarding my baseless suspicion of indiglo: "I think I know why he may have done it. I cannot reveal it at this time, I don't think. But perhaps later. As for now...I am not looking hard at him. " Why did you think I suspected indiglo and why couldn't you reveal it at the time?

4. Would you lynch DrWilgy or wouldn't you?
1. I'm not aware that it was as soon as I replaced in that I said I thought timmer was trustworthy. But I do remember thinking I ought to share my thoughts of who I thought was good or bad. And honestly, it was a combination of Elo 1.0 and Elo 2.0. My new role didn't affect my perspective.

Strike one, missy. Question was thus: What made timmer trustworthy to you as soon as you replaced Dom? Do you still trust him?

I'm not asking if you were aware of anything, or whether you felt you outhgt to share your thoughts, or what persona was coming together to make those thoughts. When you said timmer was trustworthy, what gave you that impression? There must have been some reason for it. And do you still trust him? You didn't say.

Elohcin wrote:2. I believe I said that I thought she was playing it safe as Elo. 1.0. Let me see if I can find it. .............................Hmm, I must have only thought it and not stated it

I think that claim bears a look into Eloh 1.0. Do your posts then reflect an unspoken view the indiglo was playing it safe? I remember them from this morning, and my opinion would be "No." I'll look again, however.

Elohcin wrote:3. A previous game we were both in, you were civ and you voted for me Day 1 for no reason whatsoever and you stated as much. I thought it could have been a slight way of you trying to communicate to me, "hey, I'm civ." But I didn't catch that this could be until I posted it. So...yes, I hounded you for your lack of reasoning. But...I think you are civ now after that. BUT, I could be totally off and it have no meaning whatsoever and you could be bad bad bad.

You keep citing that game. You were bad. Wrong or right reasoning, accidentally or not, I pegged you, and it led to your lynch. I don't see what relevance that has here. I also don't see why this is a secret code you couldn't reveal at the time. You couldn't have said, "Here is why I think he's voting indiglo, because he wants me to think he's a civilian." That just doesn't make any sense.

Elohcin wrote:4. Would I lynch Wilgy? Sure if you guys think he is bad. Like I said, I haven't been following the thread. And like I also said, I think randomizing is worse than jumping on a bandwagon. I think bandwagoning shows faith in the people. You can all disagree with me if you want..I don't care.

Okay.

#476

Zebra friend how much time is left before eod?

#477

DrWilgy wrote:Zebra friend how much time is left before eod?

Wilgy, who you gonna vote for?

#478

There's a metric button of stagnation this game and I don't know if that should make me feel good or bad. Is this LyLo, assuming there is no doc in play?

I know who I want to vote, but want to hear from others so we can consolidate and not make the wrong decision.

#479

Scotty wrote:There's a metric button of stagnation this game and I don't know if that should make me feel good or bad. Is this LyLo, assuming there is no doc in play?

I know who I want to vote, but want to hear from others so we can consolidate and not make the wrong decision.

WIFOM: *butt-ton

#480

Scotty wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Zebra friend how much time is left before eod?
Wilgy, who you gonna vote for?

At this rate Eloh.

We are at do or die, and Eloh has actively stated she doesn't care.

This gives us one of 2 options, we vote eloh and hope she is bad, or we someone else and IF they are bad the tie will be split by a Eloh who is coin flipping (that is if she's civ).

This plus a previous hankering that she was bad has me wanting to put a vote down for her.

Hey Scotty, who do you wanna vote for?

#481

Hey DF, can I have a megapost from you on your thoughts?

I'm at the point now where my thoughts about you are as follows.

We let Sriracha live too long without posting. With DF recently swapping in and it being too late to form a read, I'm better off gambling that he is civ and being mad if not.

#482

Scotty wrote:There's a metric button of stagnation this game and I don't know if that should make me feel good or bad. Is this LyLo, assuming there is no doc in play?

I know who I want to vote, but want to hear from others so we can consolidate and not make the wrong decision.

I agree with this. We need to be on the same page at this point.

I was already suspicious of Elo, and that feeling is bolstered by Epi's case. I would be more keen on lynching Elo at this point, since if I understand correctly, if Timmer is Kilgrave he would survive again. I'm not sure about Wilgy at this point, but would be willing to vote there if the majority decides to (not something I like doing, but the numbers are tight right now).

EBWOP: Pretty much what I said above. If you're not the third baddie, I'm considering Scotty. I guess everyone else is civ to me.

#483

So a thought that can't be validated by anyone other than me that I should share nonetheless, anyone who is "wrong" at this point has a much greater chance of being bad.

Those who think I'm bad and who are wanting to push my option of a lynch are looking to likely be a baddie.

Scotty, are you on a team with Timmer?

If so, are you on a team with Eloh?

#484

DrWilgy wrote:So a thought that can't be validated by anyone other than me that I should share nonetheless, anyone who is "wrong" at this point has a much greater chance of being bad.

Those who think I'm bad and who are wanting to push my option of a lynch are looking to likely be a baddie.

Scotty, are you on a team with Timmer?

If so, are you on a team with Eloh?

o rly? What is this, the Spanish Inquisition? People that show dissent are defacto bad in your eyes?

nay. But thanks for asking.

#485

DrWilgy wrote:
Scotty wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Zebra friend how much time is left before eod?
Wilgy, who you gonna vote for?
At this rate Eloh.

We are at do or die, and Eloh has actively stated she doesn't care.

This gives us one of 2 options, we vote eloh and hope she is bad, or we someone else and IF they are bad the tie will be split by a Eloh who is coin flipping (that is if she's civ).

This plus a previous hankering that she was bad has me wanting to put a vote down for her.

Hey Scotty, who do you wanna vote for?

Scotty wrote:And as predicted, DDL ded.

In RE: Epi's post concerning timmer-
As a baddie, is timmer usually so combative/distancing against his own team this early? His dueling with Wilgy there after Wilgy calls him out does seem genuine. But then if timmer is bad, then it doesn't matter. All the world's a stage. I don't know why timmer's still pushing the charade that you're bad.

Epi, I see that you are also curious about Elo. She has been a sure-fire Lady shrugs-a-lot since subbing in, and has been on both DDL's and SD's radar.

If we had to lynch someone just based on what's in the thread, I would propose Elo>Wilgy>SD>everyone else.

As I've said, Elo. But if you were bad, is throwing her under the bus the best move now? I'm very nervous again that you and SD are bad. Both of you have flashed civ all game- you are the most talkative, SD has made some pretty thorough cases, but I can't help but shake off that my suspicion of both of you is why I'm still alive.

I could very well vote Elo, because of her indifference to the game and Epi's case on her. He would know her better than I, and I generally trust his judgment in this game due to his assumed civvieness.

I have found Elo 2.0 sus since she basically replaced in..I only fear we're being lulled into mislynching a low-hanging fruit.

#486

Why I think Wilgy makes a case for being civ? He has thrown about accusations all over the place. Here is his day 3 read:

DrWilgy wrote:Let's have an excersize,

Mafia team is ___________,
If not, its _____________.

I'll start.
Mafia team is Timmer, INH, Eloh,
If not, its Timmer, Sriracha, Daisy.

Day 2:

DrWilgy wrote:
Scotty wrote:Just reread Spacedaisy's big meaty sausage of a post.

She might be on to something with INH. I formally would like to nominate her for civ grand wizard. and president of the United States plz
I too like Daisy's megapost.

Wilgy
Scotty
DDL
Daisy
Epi
Sriracha
INH
Eloh 2.0
Timmer

I'm going to wait for 7 hours and then vote. INH, Eloh, I would like full reads on all the players that are alive. If you are civ, convince me of your reads. I believe we are a day away from Lylo if this is a mislynch.

Wilgy, do you think it could still be a combo of DF and Daisy, or Daisy and Elo? Or Elo and Daisy?

You seem to be an incompatible baddie partner with some people at a cursory glance. I don't want to think you're manipulating the thread and are actually trying to solve the game. If you're bad, then you're playing a very good baddie game which I would respect. I don't feel like voting you today because I think of the ones I suspect, you have a less compelling case against you.

#487

DF, you've made basically 2 posts of meat since subbing back in.

DFaraday wrote:From what I've gleaned through a quick look over the thread, I would be most supportive of an Elo or Scotty lynch. Elo, for bandwagoning, and Scotty for trying to push a Wilgy lynch. I don't see any reason for Wilgy to be up for lynching. DDL looks good to me right now as well. Daisy is reading very neutral to me, like usual.

Elo seems like the consensus read here, and I can see my suspicion, but I would suggest my biggest suspicion should come from early defending of timmer and my tunnel on INH. NOT pushing a Wilgy lynch. Why is Wilgy so civ to you? How civ would you rank him on a scale of 1-10, 1 being bad and 10 being Epi?
You see NO reasoned or him to be up for a lynching? Absolutely none at all? I don't accept that.

This post lists a concensus bad read in Elo, a weak-reasoned bad read in me, a hard defense of Wilgy, a good read on DDL, and a useless "neutral" read on SD.
That you read SD as neutral as this point is slightly frightening. I think we need more rigid reads of people being as this is LYLO and all.

2nd post:

DFaraday wrote:
Scotty wrote:There's a metric button of stagnation this game and I don't know if that should make me feel good or bad. Is this LyLo, assuming there is no doc in play?

I know who I want to vote, but want to hear from others so we can consolidate and not make the wrong decision.
I agree with this. We need to be on the same page at this point.

I was already suspicious of Elo, and that feeling is bolstered by Epi's case. I would be more keen on lynching Elo at this point, since if I understand correctly, if Timmer is Kilgrave he would survive again. I'm not sure about Wilgy at this point, but would be willing to vote there if the majority decides to (not something I like doing, but the numbers are tight right now).

EBWOP: Pretty much what I said above. If you're not the third baddie, I'm considering Scotty. I guess everyone else is civ to me.

Oh, now suddenly you "would be willing to vote" Wilgy if the majority decides to? What changed your mind, o leaf in the wind?

I again feel like this post is VERY similar to Elo's sentiment of 'I'll just vote for whoever the group finds suspicous'. This is a very dangerous mindset at this point if you are good.
WHY would you suddenly be willing to vote Wilgy?

#488

Every single player in this game has posted suspicion of Elo (except maybe timmer, but who cares), so if she is bad, then a baddie has already started the bussing. SD's last rainbow list had timmer and INH at the bottom tier, and Sorsha/DF and Elo as the 2nd lowest. I wish she would come back and give her updated thoughts now that DF has subbed in.

If Elo is good, the baddies would be fine using her as the bait.

#489

@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.

#490

If we get this wrong today, we lose. And I know I'm in the midst of 3/7 people being bad, so I'm slightly discouraged and almost feel as if I would have better odds playing roulette.

#491

I'm not going to be around much this afternoon, so I left my vote on Wilgy. I strongly suggest following my lead.

#492

Scotty, you admit that this is a LYLO situation, but you don't understand why I don't want to vote against the group at this point? Wilgy is far and away my third choice, but Epi made enough points on him that I at least don't feel good about him like I did early on. Having said that, I think both Timmer and Elo are strong candidates, but Timmer may be currently unlynchable.

#493

Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.

It was inconclusive.

#494

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.
It was inconclusive.

By that I mean that she never came back and said anything one way or the other about my response. Were the lynch to occur right now, I'd vote there, but I'm willing to wait.

#495

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.
It was inconclusive.
By that I mean that she never came back and said anything one way or the other about my response. Were the lynch to occur right now, I'd vote there, but I'm willing to wait.

I'm too busy makin' dat dough! I'm sorry. I *am* trying to keep up and answer questions and what not, but even when I think I answer them, you say I don't and come back with more. Do I still trust timmer? I don't know. I haven't been paying enough damn attention to know. And would I vote wilgy? Sure, if it meant saving my ass! Can i go to sleep now?

#496

Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:@Epi, are you going to vote Elo today? I'm not sure how your interrogation ended.
It was inconclusive.
By that I mean that she never came back and said anything one way or the other about my response. Were the lynch to occur right now, I'd vote there, but I'm willing to wait.
I'm too busy makin' dat dough! I'm sorry. I *am* trying to keep up and answer questions and what not, but even when I think I answer them, you say I don't and come back with more. Do I still trust timmer? I don't know. I haven't been paying enough damn attention to know. And would I vote wilgy? Sure, if it meant saving my ass! Can i go to sleep now?

I understand all that. But you seemed to dodge my question about timmer. I wanted to know why you found him trustworthy. Now you say you don't know if you trust him at all.

#497

Scotty wrote:Every single player in this game has posted suspicion of Elo (except maybe timmer, but who cares), so if she is bad, then a baddie has already started the bussing. SD's last rainbow list had timmer and INH at the bottom tier, and Sorsha/DF and Elo as the 2nd lowest. I wish she would come back and give her updated thoughts now that DF has subbed in.

If Elo is good, the baddies would be fine using her as the bait.

I was pretty confident in my read of INH, it's why I had him as low as timmer. Unfortunately I was wrong. I was pretty clear though that Elo was my next suspicion. Sorsha/DF was really that low because I had no read on her whatsoever, and unfortunately I can't say it has changed much with DF, I have a hard time reading him in general. He almost always reads good to me. So I tend to keep him on my list for that fact. I haven't posted as much because my thoughts have not changed much. I'm fairly sold on an Elo vote today. I'm only waiting because I want to be sure we don't split the vote. It's pretty critical at this point.

#498

Spacedaisy wrote:
Scotty wrote:Every single player in this game has posted suspicion of Elo (except maybe timmer, but who cares), so if she is bad, then a baddie has already started the bussing. SD's last rainbow list had timmer and INH at the bottom tier, and Sorsha/DF and Elo as the 2nd lowest. I wish she would come back and give her updated thoughts now that DF has subbed in.

If Elo is good, the baddies would be fine using her as the bait.
I was pretty confident in my read of INH, it's why I had him as low as timmer. Unfortunately I was wrong. I was pretty clear though that Elo was my next suspicion. Sorsha/DF was really that low because I had no read on her whatsoever, and unfortunately I can't say it has changed much with DF, I have a hard time reading him in general. He almost always reads good to me. So I tend to keep him on my list for that fact. I haven't posted as much because my thoughts have not changed much. I'm fairly sold on an Elo vote today. I'm only waiting because I want to be sure we don't split the vote. It's pretty critical at this point.

Why should I think you are a civilian?

#499

Ok.

I have to get ready for my show.

Elo has been on to defend herself but not actually baddy hunt. She's had ample opportunities and just seems indifferent in a phase in which we need convictions.

Everyone seems to be heading down the path of voting her, so I'm gonna start this train.

If Elo isn't bad, then GG baddies

Elohcin

#500

Oh...and apparently votes are changeable. Just a heads up. Thanks for letting us know, timmer.

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