Monkey Island [ENDGAME]

[Snow Dog]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

[Quin]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.

[a2thezebra]

you probably need to elaborate on why those specific parts are suspicious if you want to get your point across, amigo

linki: i don't do unnecessary.

Are you sure because this post that I'm quoting here is unnecessary.

looks like your ideal world in one where your word is unquestioned and treated as gospel

which doesn't sound so bad, if only you weren't so wrong all the time

Where did I ask people to believe me or agree with me? I could care less. But sure continue to misrepresent me and dig your own grave.

the two or three times you neglected to elaborate on your quin/snow dog suspicion comes to mind

How does neglecting to elaborate in ANY WAY imply that I'm demanding people agree?

[a2thezebra]

I'm going to be blunt. None of your conversations are useful in finding mafia. None.

Get thee behind me Satans.

Y'know what...

I still think mp was bad.

I do too.

To both of you: why.

And how does that help you sort things out right now?

MP gave me a soft baddie read. If he was civ, he would have given me a hard baddie read at the time. He was disingenuous and bad.

Who cares? If you're not going to figure out who his teammates are, then who gives a shit if you're calling him bad. He's dead.

Who said I'm not going to figure out who his teammates are?

And even if I didn't, seeing what people think of MP's alignment in hindsight of his death can be useful in many ways. You seem eager to stifle discussion that doesn't operate within your hilariously narrow framework, so you're probably town.

[Snow Dog]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.

Absolutely? Why?

[Snow Dog]

@Quin
I just reread the post where MP says he deleted his post and now I understand. I thought I understood it before but i didn't. Sorry for the waste of time.

[Soneji]

Scotty you are aware that there are two scum teams right? Even if I was part of one and killed MP, I wouldn't know if he was town or part of the other scum team. Promoting MP as town wouldn't be in my best interest either, given my suspicion on him d2.

This doesn't have anything to do with my assertion. I'm saying you slipped- that you would be more likely to call Mp town if he was your kill than if he wasnt.

I can see your point but it was really just an honest mistake, given the difference in how NK's are down between my main site and here.

Soneji, who would you have killed if you had to pick someone that was alive day 2?[/QUOTE]
Are you asking that in terms of me being scum or a town vig? The answer to both would be someone off the radar, I don't care to get rid of my main engagement in the thread as scum and I don't mind offing those who give me little to work with as a scumhunter.

I'm going to be blunt. None of your conversations are useful in finding mafia. None.

Get thee behind me Satans.

Thank you very little for failing to answer my question.

But tell me, Epi. What constitutes "useful"? I think it's all useful. It's people interacting with one another.

At this moment, I am uninterested in a lynch of zebra, Snow Dog or Soneji.

Or Vompatti. I'll throw him in there too.

The reasoning used to vote for any of these people is terrible.

That isn't to say I think they are good- I'm only saying damn people. Do better. Like me. [/quote
What is this post?

What made your case on Black rock any more sound than, say, Soneji? If you recall, Soneji did not post on Night 1. Neither did Black rock. You were SO ready to commit a vote to BR that I'm surprised, now that we've caught her, that you wouldn't find similar parallels in at least Soneji. What aren't you telling us, O wise one?

Were I come from, night posting is not a thing so you aren't usually likely to see me post a lot during them. It throws me off my normal mafia rhythm. Night phases are solely for actions on NF and I never forget them.

Will try to get some ISOs done today before Thanksgiving is in full swing.

[Long Con]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.

Absolutely? Why?

Because there is absolutely no way that MP07 of any alignment would intentionally abuse his power and cheat, especially in such a flagrant fashion. No more discussion on the topic is needed, case closed.

I don't feel like I was buddying Epi.

[Long Con]

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

[Snow Dog]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.

Absolutely? Why?

Because there is absolutely no way that MP07 of any alignment would intentionally abuse his power and cheat, especially in such a flagrant fashion. No more discussion on the topic is needed, case closed.

I don't feel like I was buddying Epi.

Yeah I already closed the case if you only bothered to check!

[Soneji]

MacDougall : Like Zebra, posts unsubstantiated reads though isn't quite as hostile in his few engagements/mentions of his few suspects(MP, Epi, Zebra) as Zebra was. Townread sig and motel room, the former off of one of sig's better posts and meta reasoning for motel room. The majority of his posts are him talking about his birthday, being wasted or arguing with Zebra. Not sure why he would engage Zebra the way he did and get himself frustrated given how Zebra has played this far. This set of posts stood out:

He had to confide in me in the Chatzy because you were driving him nuts. I was DEFENDING your character.

As a civ it is my job to drive a Mafia player nuts.

I am stepping away. I am getting angry.

Maybe it is Mac that is the mafia player being driven nuts, though I don't think zebra is civ.

Conclusion : Middling scum read

MetalMarsh : Has done good prodding of people throughout the game, being a voice of wisdom at times with sensible questions about if someones suspicions had solid logic behind it. Hasn't really pushed anyone himself. I didn't agree with his logic on Snow Dog's defense of other peoples weak lynch choices as while his own Zebra choice didn't have any more going for it at the time, I don't see a scum motive behind his posts given that motel room flipped town. If he had given even a hint that he was accusing those voting for motel room of being scum it would change things.

motel room : Has been a frontline bruiser since he came back, putting people on the spot for any slip he may see. Haven't been pinged by him for anything yet.

Conclusion : Miniscule scum lean

[Epignosis]

Disneyland was great. Except for a small child screaming behind me in the Pinocchio ride blowing out my eardrums. I hope he grows up with a minor allergy of some sort

Woo GG Epi!
I must say that I am not surprised she flipped bad, but I also would not have voted her if zebra had had a train of her own going when I voted. I still think zebra is fishy as fuck, but now that BR has flipped bad, I'm in the mind that her teammates are probably also the ones on my list:
-Boom
-Soneji
One of Nacho, Mac, Motel room 2.0, ninja and DF

And that's just for the pirate team.

The cannibals will be trickier to catch- they probably killed Golden, and are probably active.

My current fear is that Epi is a cannibal and has been ringleadering as a supatown so that we'll give him Cred. I might just be paranoid tho.

MP- if I'm alive tomorrow, I think I'll have some time before my show to properly answer your sig case. Until then, I gotta go run errands.

My issue with Soneji is that he looks salty that I led the masses against Black Rock for what some perceived to be asinine and unlikely reasons. Mafia hate it when they are caught for "the wrong reasons." And for that reason, if Soneji is bad, I'd say he's a pirate.

But that's an if.

Nacho gave a quick and believable reason for not remembering DF being dead. If Nacho were a regular here, I wouldn't buy it, but Nacho is not a regular here. My opinion on Nacho fluctuates.

Speaking of Nacho, I need to revisit the crux of Nacho's post against Boomslang, since I apparently missed the point.

Nijuu, I wanna hear more from you. You're still on my watch list of pirate compatibilities with Soneji, Boom, Nacho and Mac.

Hey @Epi!! What do you think of the notion that other BR teammates are on my shortlist? You sorta dropped that after gunning for BR. I would think you would be excited of the prospects of nailing another.

(Unpopular opinion..): Unless your teammate BR just wanted to be thrown under the bus and you're ready to move on. It would explain how out of the multiple inactives I mentioned, you chose BR. It just seems like you either learned something via night you can't disclose in thread or you yourself are her teammate. Just so you know not every player thinks you are supertown for sniping her
For now, I do like the hunting you're doing, and I'm not looking to vote you at the present, I'm just paranoid

Despite the fact that except for one time I don't go out of my way to run over my teammates (not nearly as often as people claim or imagine, anyway), there are some people I wouldn't do that to, and Black Rock is one of them.

[Soneji]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.

Absolutely? Why?

Because there is absolutely no way that MP07 of any alignment would intentionally abuse his power and cheat, especially in such a flagrant fashion. No more discussion on the topic is needed, case closed.

I don't feel like I was buddying Epi.

What was your reasoning behind allowing Nacho to talk you out of a Wilgy vote, considering your suspicion on MP was due to what you considered buddying?

[Epignosis]

The more significant point was Wigly suspicion coming out of nowhere and Quin suspicion dropping out of nowhere.

I'm of the opinion that a civilian is more likely to do that than Mafia, who generally like to try to remain consistent. If Boomslang wanted to really drive the lynch away from Black Rock, he should have made a stronger case against Quin, but he didn't do that.

So I'm less inclined to think Boomslang is a pirate.

[Epignosis]

That fellow looks corpulent indeed. I'm thinking it may be wise to trim some of the fat from the midsection.

[DrWilgy]

*Wilgy patiently awaits Boomslang's ever so insightful iso of himself while also squeezing himself into a latex newt costume*

[Epignosis]

I think my friend nijuukyugou has gone overlooked. Time to change that.

Ten posts, and five are banter. So that's five posts to consider:

Spoiler: show

Okay. Feeling much better this morning, but with much limited time (as in less time), seeing as I'm at work and should be grading a stack of papers :P

Who wants a rainbow? I'll work on one now.

You didn't even wait.

Quick and dirty thoughts before I really, really need to get work done:

1) A beautifully quiet day 1, with pretty easy-to-catch-up pages to read.
2) A floofy, fluffy day 1 that makes it hard to get reads, but that's like saying there's smoke all over Asheville - I can mention it all I want, but I still get to deal with what I've got *coughity cough*
3) Nacho reminds me of Sloonei - lots of talk, not afraid to go after people, jumping right in, lots of talk, lots of talk. Oh yeah, kinda like MP :P
4) I don't want to vote for people contributing to the suspicion talk of the game so far today, because I complain (even if only to myself) that people get voted on Days 1 for voicing weird opinions more often than someone lurking and being cautious and not posting much (if anything) of substance. Does that make sense? Anyway, I'm starting the trend with my Days 1 votes, even if I'm the only one following the trend.
5) Who falls into that second category for me today that I notice (or rather, had to look back because I didn't notice many posts)? zebra, Eloh, motel room, Epi, Wilgy, and Vomps. Runner up includes DFaraday, because he did post about mechanics in his second post.
6) I rather liked Soneji's point about, whether or not Wilgy is fucking with us with the not checking his role (I assume the former), it does imply creating chaos which, while fun, is not particularly civ behavior. So now, so I can get back to work like a good employee, I'm voting Wilgy.

Hey Mac - thoughts on the ninja?

Beautiful tentacles, that one Did you vote me because you wanted to see substance from me, or because the tentacles creep you out?

1. Is happy for a quiet Day 1.
2. Admits it makes it hard to formulate opinions on people.
3. Names two people who are big talkers (despite calling Day 1 quiet)- Nacho and MP.
4. Laments innocent people getting lynched Day 1 for having a contrarian perspective while quiet people coast.
5. Names six coasters (casting a wide net).
6. Likes what Soneji had to say about Wilgy, and voted Wilgy.

Spoiler: show

Woo, caught up! That was quite an emotional thread period

Probably gonna rehash a lot of what was said, but that's the bane of my gameplay in catch-up/mega posts. I deals with it. This is gonna be a stream-of-consciousness one, because.

Frustrated MP could be either MP. I'm inclined to see it as bad because I was on a team with him when he faked it and I hate being bamboozled, but I know he is an emotional player of any alignment. And he has been lynched early lately because of it (at least what I have noticed) being in any alignment, which is hella frustrating, I know. Today, I will be looking elsewhere. Why? It's Day 2 and I'm still in Day 1 mode of this sort of thought process:

Time to cull the less actives.

Because lately, I also feel like less actives have been ignored, and I want to change that still. I have been less active lately and have been rewarded for it, yet when I am more active, I have been killed. Boo to that. Encourages non-participation and riding on one's laurels *steps off soapbox*

I want to lynch Epignosis.

Voted for Black Rock.

Your turn.

I'll bite - any other reason you voted her besides inactivity? Or are you cherry-picking and waiting for reactions? I like it.

Zebra can talk! Now what does she have to say? Right now, the long-lasting smiley thing doesn't make her look good to me. Gets her out of discussion while also giving off a vibe of, "Hey, I can't possibly be bad if I do something craaaaaaazy!" Looks contrived. Want to see more content.

What happened to Wilgy? Might vote him again. But minds can be changed.

Was Nacho silenced? Hmm.

On the other hand, rainbow lists can paint a target on the heads of those who are deemed most Civ.

This is why I hate rainbow lists. On the other hand, I do use them to determine someone's alignment based on how they rate me. Self-centered, perhaps, but it's been working decently well. Mostly hate for rainbows, though.

I think that's all I have for now. Happy to address whatever, or discuss whatever. I feel like a normal human again, both in workload and health

RIP Golden.

Seriously, who the hell would kill Golden in his comeback game? Heartless bastards, that's who.

I haven't caught up, and still won't until I've finished all my preparations for Parks and Recreation Mafia hosting. Sorry. I should be around at some point today though and I'll be ISOing you folks. So be prepared.

So a page full of MP posts. So, normal mafia.

1. Thinks MP is bad but would prefer to look elsewhere. What's the purpose there? If you think someone is bad, you press that person until he confesses, What you don't do is say, "MP is likely going to murder me in my sleep. I better let him go about his business."
2. Again laments about active people getting taken out instead of inactive people.
3. This: "I'll bite - any other reason you voted her besides inactivity? Or are you cherry-picking and waiting for reactions? I like it." How am I supposed to answer that? If I am doing something to get reactions, it is completely counterproductive to say, "Yes, I am just trying to get reactions."
4. Calls zebra's smiley business contrived.
5. Might vote Wilgy again. Couple 4 and 5 and what you have are two non-Black Rock avenues for nijuukyugou to vote. She ultimately chooses Door #4.
6. Asks if Nacho was silenced.
7. Hates rainbow lists.
8. Comments on MP's verbosity.

Spoiler: show

On the other hand, rainbow lists can paint a target on the heads of those who are deemed most Civ.

This is why I hate rainbow lists. On the other hand, I do use them to determine someone's alignment based on how they rate me. Self-centered, perhaps, but it's been working decently well. Mostly hate for rainbows, though.

I think that's all I have for now. Happy to address whatever, or discuss whatever. I feel like a normal human again, both in workload and health

RIP Golden.

Seriously, who the hell would kill Golden in his comeback game? Heartless bastards, that's who.

I haven't caught up, and still won't until I've finished all my preparations for Parks and Recreation Mafia hosting. Sorry. I should be around at some point today though and I'll be ISOing you folks. So be prepared.

So a page full of MP posts. So, normal mafia.

Blooper, can you elaborate on this bolded/underlined bit?

There is a pattern I've noticed about how I am rated by certain players on rainbow lists. I shall elaborate no further for fear of giving away my super secret awesome baddie senses

1. Refrains from further comment about rainbow lists.

Spoiler: show

This game is like a patient in the ICU. Where is everyone? Where is the baddie hunting?

Seriously folks, why should I even try if the rest of you aren't going to do shit? Honest question because I'm feeling a bit frustrated with this entire day cycle's wasted potential right now.

It's the middle of the day for many of us, dude. You know this. I'm only on because it happens to be a day where my planning is in the afternoon. And it'll be a holiday soon. And it's Day 2. Cool your jets :P

As for your sig review, what pings me more than anything about what he's been saying is his being so resolute that an entire mafia team couldn't have missed its kill last Night. This sort of thing has been happening in several games lately on this site. It would be one thing to offer his counter arguments, but to so staunchly oppose it as a non-possibility? Nah. Looks defensive. Pings real bad.

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

1. Reminds Mr. Talkative that it's the middle of the workday.
2. Agrees with MP's negative opinion about sig. Killing MP might accomplish two tasks: Shut MP up and frame sig.
3. I need to highlight this:

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

Again, this leaves open a number of avenues for nijuukyugou to vote in case the Black Rock vote picked up steam. Notice again the claimed desire to knock off inactives and slight inactives, but the hesitance regarding a vote for Black Rock.

Spoiler: show

This game is like a patient in the ICU. Where is everyone? Where is the baddie hunting?

Seriously folks, why should I even try if the rest of you aren't going to do shit? Honest question because I'm feeling a bit frustrated with this entire day cycle's wasted potential right now.

It's the middle of the day for many of us, dude. You know this. I'm only on because it happens to be a day where my planning is in the afternoon. And it'll be a holiday soon. And it's Day 2. Cool your jets :P

As for your sig review, what pings me more than anything about what he's been saying is his being so resolute that an entire mafia team couldn't have missed its kill last Night. This sort of thing has been happening in several games lately on this site. It would be one thing to offer his counter arguments, but to so staunchly oppose it as a non-possibility? Nah. Looks defensive. Pings real bad.

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

Look, I know right now is the middle of the day, I'm referring to all of Day 2. There has been next to no discussion of anyone other than inactives for the past nearly 48 hours, and that's what bothered me, not just the lack of current content. Anyway, I was just venting. Feel free to ignore that nonsense.

Help me out here; you lost me a bit with your thoughts on sig. Why is it that his staunch opposition pings you? Like, walk me through the mindset of why a mafia sig would do that, that's where I'm lost.

She provided gut reads in saying BR and Epi are town and Snow Dog is bad, for example, but yes, they're completely unsubstantiated. The only problem with just lynching everyone who behaves in such a way (your bolded/underlined sentiment) is that just because someone is behaving chaotically does not mean their role card is mafia. It is up to us to make a determination based on the available content. I don't think lynching inactives blindly right now will serve us anything particularly productive; if we happen to hit a member of the mafia, great, but it's essentially flipping a coin.

True about a chaotic player not necessarily pulling a mafia role, but their behavior doesn't help civs. A lynch vote for zebra would not be a blind vote for an inactive - it would be voting for someone who I think is exhibiting non-civ (and I'll just outright say it - mafia-or-indy-chaotic) behavior.

What I'm saying about sig's opposition to the idea is that it sounds defensive of inactive mafia behavior, i.e., steering people away from discussing inactivity as more than a possibility for an entire mafia team because he doesn't want us to look at them. As in, perhaps he is part of an inactive mafia team, and is defending it because oh shit, they all missed their kill chance last night, better cover it up. That's what it looks like when the behavior of late on the site points to the opposite of his stance.

And I think the discussion of inactives needs to happen - personally, I'm tired of seeing it ignored and seeing active players lynched so early and then having a dead game, so I'm happy we're going on that vein this game. Hell, it's encouraging ME to post! (Well, that and I also have more time recently to play than I have in the past couple of games.) Lynch inactives, encourage participation through group force :P

With that, I'll vote zebra today, even if it's for pressure. Gotta finish grading these quizzes, dammit.

1. MP voiced concern about "blindly" voting for inactives, and nijuu counters by saying that a vote for zebra is not a blind vote for an inactive, but a vote for someone exhibiting non-civilian behavior. So I want to circle back to the first on-topic post: nijuukyugou lamented inactives coasting but people who do things outside of the box being fair game. Isn't that what zebra was doing? I would think my friend nijuu would have been more eager to lynch someone with two posts than someone who was just being goofy.
2. Says sig looks like part of an inactive mafia team, which concedes the point that one of the mafia teams is inactive...yet she still votes for zebra, who was at least present.
3. Raises the banner of lynching inactives...
4. Votes zebra, who was zany, not inactive. And zebra had more on-topic things to say than Black Rock.

[Snow Dog]

^Food for thought

[Marmot]

Metalmarsh mate. Tell me how you feel mate.

I feel fiiiiine. Might fiiiiine. I got up early and went for a run up the tallest butte in our town and sort of watched the sunrise.

What've you got for me Mac? Who's the traitor among our crew?

[Marmot]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.

Absolutely? Why?

Because there is absolutely no way that MP07 of any alignment would intentionally abuse his power and cheat, especially in such a flagrant fashion. No more discussion on the topic is needed, case closed.

I don't feel like I was buddying Epi.

Before you put this to bed, I thought MP deleted the post before he posted it, not afterward.

[Long Con]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.

Absolutely? Why?

Because there is absolutely no way that MP07 of any alignment would intentionally abuse his power and cheat, especially in such a flagrant fashion. No more discussion on the topic is needed, case closed.

I don't feel like I was buddying Epi.

Yeah I already closed the case if you only bothered to check!

I had the post started for a while and finished it after your closure, and I didn't get linkitis'ed about it. Dial back that exclamation point, mister.

[Marmot]

Never mind, I see that it had existed.

Moving on.

[Snow Dog]

Earlier while compiling ISOs, MP accidentally deleted the one he'd done for Wilgy. Well if he was bad one must ask if this an accident. Or was it a way to avoid that analasys? Would MP do this though? Does it border on unfair play?

There is absolutely no way that it was intentional.

Absolutely? Why?

Because there is absolutely no way that MP07 of any alignment would intentionally abuse his power and cheat, especially in such a flagrant fashion. No more discussion on the topic is needed, case closed.

I don't feel like I was buddying Epi.

Yeah I already closed the case if you only bothered to check!

I had the post started for a while and finished it after your closure, and I didn't get linkitis'ed about it. Dial back that exclamation point, mister.

Sorry. I got a bit bad tempered there.

[Snow Dog]

Never mind, I see that it had existed.

Moving on.

I made the same mistake.

[Marmot]

Speaking of

Zebra has had a very narrow focus this game, without giving anything to backup these reads and trolling/harassing people. His aim seems to be to distract, which as LC noted he wasn't doing d1 when the two main suspects were MP and motel room, both town.

How do you know MP was town?

I voted for Soneji for making false claims and for voting for a confirmed civilian.

Who wants to talk about this post from motel room and Vompatti's response?

Regardless of Soneji's alignment, I find Vompatti's vote here opportunistic.

[Long Con]

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

[Epignosis]

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

[Epignosis]

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

My view on that is that Soneji is accustomed to single-mafia games. If you get whacked, then you're good.

[Marmot]

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

Why do you want to lynch her?

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

That's a good point. Both of these stories are believable.

But that leaves me in the same spot I'm in with regards to Snow Dog. I see reason to believe he's civ, as well as mafia.

[Soneji]

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

My view on that is that Soneji is accustomed to single-mafia games. If you get whacked, then you're good.

Narutoforums is the king of role madness games and I've probably played more games with multiple mafia than a single one. I have hosted three of NF's Favorites games and all three have had three mafia, with distinct mafia faction bonuses.

[Snow Dog]

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

Why do you want to lynch her?

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

That's a good point. Both of these stories are believable.

But that leaves me in the same spot I'm in with regards to Snow Dog. I see reason to believe he's civ, as well as mafia.

What would it take to convince you I am not mafia?

[Epignosis]

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

Why do you want to lynch her?

No reason.

[Epignosis]

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

My view on that is that Soneji is accustomed to single-mafia games. If you get whacked, then you're good.

Narutoforums is the king of role madness games and I've probably played more games with multiple mafia than a single one. I have hosted three of NF's Favorites games and all three have had three mafia, with distinct mafia faction bonuses.

Okay then. I can't help you.

[DrWilgy]

But Ji-San, wouldn't that mean you are bad?

[Snow Dog]

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

Why do you want to lynch her?

No reason.

I wouldn't object.

[Marmot]

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

My view on that is that Soneji is accustomed to single-mafia games. If you get whacked, then you're good.

Narutoforums is the king of role madness games and I've probably played more games with multiple mafia than a single one. I have hosted three of NF's Favorites games and all three have had three mafia, with distinct mafia faction bonuses.

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

Why do you want to lynch her?

No reason.

I don't object. Why don't you vote for her? Get this party started!!

[Marmot]

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

Why do you want to lynch her?

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

That's a good point. Both of these stories are believable.

But that leaves me in the same spot I'm in with regards to Snow Dog. I see reason to believe he's civ, as well as mafia.

What would it take to convince you I am not mafia?

You do you mate. I'm just here to judge you on all of your content.

[Snow Dog]

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

Why do you want to lynch her?

I think it's a weak vote from Vompatti.

Here's my take:

If the Pirates killed MP, then the only players in the game that knew MP was Civ (if it's so) are the Cannibals. That's pretty simple to see. The Pirates, for all they knew, killed a Cannibal. The Civs know next to nothing. Vice-versa if the Cannibals killed him.... then the Pirates knew if he's Civ.

I'm not saying that Soneji did know MP was Civ (and is therefore a baddie), but it is a possibility.

Or, he just made a careless assumption that the baddies killed a Civ, and forgot to consider the other option. That's very easy to believe.

I haven't decided which side I believe yet. If it is a slip, then it's such a delicious catch and I would hate to disregard it. On the other hand, I could easily see myself making that careless assumption, so it's hard to bring the hammer down.

That's a good point. Both of these stories are believable.

But that leaves me in the same spot I'm in with regards to Snow Dog. I see reason to believe he's civ, as well as mafia.

What would it take to convince you I am not mafia?

You do you mate. I'm just here to judge you on all of your content.

I vote how I vote. As long as i believe what I'm doing I care little for how it looks. I maintain that my first two votes were for sound reasons in my mind. I am almost certain now that I was wrong however.

[Epignosis]

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

Why do you want to lynch her?

No reason.

I don't object. Why don't you vote for her? Get this party started!!

Okay.

[Snow Dog]

@Metalmarsh Have you heard of the Finnish band HIM?

[Boomslang]

*Wilgy patiently awaits Boomslang's ever so insightful iso of himself while also squeezing himself into a latex newt costume*

Hold on to your mustache, smarty-pants :P

First two posts - Laying out an early claim to "meme play" of not checking his role.

Third post - A non-serious challenge to LC (Why are you not suspicious of me ) and a bit of banter with Nacho.

Four through seven - Banter banter banter, no content.

Eight through ten - Complains about getting votes, interacts a bit more with Nacho, who supports a target other than Wilgy. Possible teaming, given earlier context?

Eleven and twelve - Apologizes for missing vote, says he would've voted MP, says he'd "help town" regardless of what he knows. Which is meaningless, because trying to help town without the most basic of knowledge (whether you're town or mafia) is just adding noise to the signal.

Thirteen and fourteen - Banter

Fifteen - "Saved my teammates by voting BR. Byeeeeee" Well, he contributed to a good lynch result, but how would he know who his teammates were if he didn't check his role? This is either contradictory or diversionary, and I don't like either of those.

Sixteen - Emoji.

Seventeen - Threatens MP, who dies in the night, which reeks of WIFOM.

Eighteen and nineteen - "WIlgy vouchers" to Epi and Marmot, still very jokey, no real info.

Twenty through twenty-two - One-line, meaningless posts.

Twenty-three - "I predict Boomslang will go in on me today." Which is an easy prediction, given I said I'd look at him...

Twenty-four and twenty-five - Reiterates suspicion of MP based on early rainbow, which I don't like. MP was testing the waters with some early reads; of course they were non-committal. Misinterpretation of his intent.

Twenty-six - Challenges me to do this ISO, despite me saying I had Thanksgiving fatigue.

Twenty-seven - Doesn't quote the post that would make "Ji-san" bad.
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Overall, Wilgy is unhelpful to the civ cause despite saying he would be, and in one important instance he claims knowledge (of teammates) that he wouldn't have without checking his role, which he said he wouldn't do. And covering his tracks regarding MP for a weak reason looks bad to me. I'm comfortable with a vote there today.

[DrWilgy]

I'm glad you followed through Boomslang.

How was I covering tracks Boomlingo friend?

[nijuukyugou]

Happy Thanksgiving, all, even if you're not here in the U.S.! A high school buddy of mine condemned it for "meat worship," which made me giggle, which has led to my calling it Meat Worship Day today.

I see I'm being noticed. *cracks contrarian knuckles* Let's do this.

Nijuu, I wanna hear more from you. You're still on my watch list of pirate compatibilities with Soneji, Boom, Nacho and Mac.

Hey @Epi!! What do you think of the notion that other BR teammates are on my shortlist? You sorta dropped that after gunning for BR. I would think you would be excited of the prospects of nailing another.

(Unpopular opinion..): Unless your teammate BR just wanted to be thrown under the bus and you're ready to move on. It would explain how out of the multiple inactives I mentioned, you chose BR. It just seems like you either learned something via night you can't disclose in thread or you yourself are her teammate. Just so you know not every player thinks you are supertown for sniping her
For now, I do like the hunting you're doing, and I'm not looking to vote you at the present, I'm just paranoid

Why am I a pirate, specifically?

Does anyone object to lynching nijuukyugou? If so, why?

*raises hand*

I intended to catch up tonight, but I forgot how stupid exhausting driving for hours is. I will do catch up and posting sometime tomorrow when I'm not cooking/socializing.

This sounds like a PM misser.

You know as well as I do that I don't miss my PMs. I think in my entire mafia history, I've missed two, maybe three, and I've actually PM'ed if I plan to miss them on purpose. Don't even play. But I am glad to get some attention! I do tend to...lurk under the surface

Spoiler: show

I think my friend nijuukyugou has gone overlooked. Time to change that.

Ten posts, and five are banter. So that's five posts to consider:

Spoiler: show

Okay. Feeling much better this morning, but with much limited time (as in less time), seeing as I'm at work and should be grading a stack of papers :P

Who wants a rainbow? I'll work on one now.

You didn't even wait.

Quick and dirty thoughts before I really, really need to get work done:

1) A beautifully quiet day 1, with pretty easy-to-catch-up pages to read.
2) A floofy, fluffy day 1 that makes it hard to get reads, but that's like saying there's smoke all over Asheville - I can mention it all I want, but I still get to deal with what I've got *coughity cough*
3) Nacho reminds me of Sloonei - lots of talk, not afraid to go after people, jumping right in, lots of talk, lots of talk. Oh yeah, kinda like MP :P
4) I don't want to vote for people contributing to the suspicion talk of the game so far today, because I complain (even if only to myself) that people get voted on Days 1 for voicing weird opinions more often than someone lurking and being cautious and not posting much (if anything) of substance. Does that make sense? Anyway, I'm starting the trend with my Days 1 votes, even if I'm the only one following the trend.
5) Who falls into that second category for me today that I notice (or rather, had to look back because I didn't notice many posts)? zebra, Eloh, motel room, Epi, Wilgy, and Vomps. Runner up includes DFaraday, because he did post about mechanics in his second post.
6) I rather liked Soneji's point about, whether or not Wilgy is fucking with us with the not checking his role (I assume the former), it does imply creating chaos which, while fun, is not particularly civ behavior. So now, so I can get back to work like a good employee, I'm voting Wilgy.

Hey Mac - thoughts on the ninja?

Beautiful tentacles, that one Did you vote me because you wanted to see substance from me, or because the tentacles creep you out?

1. Is happy for a quiet Day 1.
2. Admits it makes it hard to formulate opinions on people.
3. Names two people who are big talkers (despite calling Day 1 quiet)- Nacho and MP.
4. Laments innocent people getting lynched Day 1 for having a contrarian perspective while quiet people coast.
5. Names six coasters (casting a wide net).
6. Likes what Soneji had to say about Wilgy, and voted Wilgy.

Spoiler: show

Woo, caught up! That was quite an emotional thread period

Probably gonna rehash a lot of what was said, but that's the bane of my gameplay in catch-up/mega posts. I deals with it. This is gonna be a stream-of-consciousness one, because.

Frustrated MP could be either MP. I'm inclined to see it as bad because I was on a team with him when he faked it and I hate being bamboozled, but I know he is an emotional player of any alignment. And he has been lynched early lately because of it (at least what I have noticed) being in any alignment, which is hella frustrating, I know. Today, I will be looking elsewhere. Why? It's Day 2 and I'm still in Day 1 mode of this sort of thought process:

Time to cull the less actives.

Because lately, I also feel like less actives have been ignored, and I want to change that still. I have been less active lately and have been rewarded for it, yet when I am more active, I have been killed. Boo to that. Encourages non-participation and riding on one's laurels *steps off soapbox*

I want to lynch Epignosis.

Voted for Black Rock.

Your turn.

I'll bite - any other reason you voted her besides inactivity? Or are you cherry-picking and waiting for reactions? I like it.

Zebra can talk! Now what does she have to say? Right now, the long-lasting smiley thing doesn't make her look good to me. Gets her out of discussion while also giving off a vibe of, "Hey, I can't possibly be bad if I do something craaaaaaazy!" Looks contrived. Want to see more content.

What happened to Wilgy? Might vote him again. But minds can be changed.

Was Nacho silenced? Hmm.

On the other hand, rainbow lists can paint a target on the heads of those who are deemed most Civ.

This is why I hate rainbow lists. On the other hand, I do use them to determine someone's alignment based on how they rate me. Self-centered, perhaps, but it's been working decently well. Mostly hate for rainbows, though.

I think that's all I have for now. Happy to address whatever, or discuss whatever. I feel like a normal human again, both in workload and health

RIP Golden.

Seriously, who the hell would kill Golden in his comeback game? Heartless bastards, that's who.

I haven't caught up, and still won't until I've finished all my preparations for Parks and Recreation Mafia hosting. Sorry. I should be around at some point today though and I'll be ISOing you folks. So be prepared.

So a page full of MP posts. So, normal mafia.

1. Thinks MP is bad but would prefer to look elsewhere. What's the purpose there? If you think someone is bad, you press that person until he confesses, What you don't do is say, "MP is likely going to murder me in my sleep. I better let him go about his business."
2. Again laments about active people getting taken out instead of inactive people.
3. This: "I'll bite - any other reason you voted her besides inactivity? Or are you cherry-picking and waiting for reactions? I like it." How am I supposed to answer that? If I am doing something to get reactions, it is completely counterproductive to say, "Yes, I am just trying to get reactions."
4. Calls zebra's smiley business contrived.
5. Might vote Wilgy again. Couple 4 and 5 and what you have are two non-Black Rock avenues for nijuukyugou to vote. She ultimately chooses Door #4.
6. Asks if Nacho was silenced.
7. Hates rainbow lists.
8. Comments on MP's verbosity.

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On the other hand, rainbow lists can paint a target on the heads of those who are deemed most Civ.

This is why I hate rainbow lists. On the other hand, I do use them to determine someone's alignment based on how they rate me. Self-centered, perhaps, but it's been working decently well. Mostly hate for rainbows, though.

I think that's all I have for now. Happy to address whatever, or discuss whatever. I feel like a normal human again, both in workload and health

RIP Golden.

Seriously, who the hell would kill Golden in his comeback game? Heartless bastards, that's who.

I haven't caught up, and still won't until I've finished all my preparations for Parks and Recreation Mafia hosting. Sorry. I should be around at some point today though and I'll be ISOing you folks. So be prepared.

So a page full of MP posts. So, normal mafia.

Blooper, can you elaborate on this bolded/underlined bit?

There is a pattern I've noticed about how I am rated by certain players on rainbow lists. I shall elaborate no further for fear of giving away my super secret awesome baddie senses

1. Refrains from further comment about rainbow lists.

Spoiler: show

This game is like a patient in the ICU. Where is everyone? Where is the baddie hunting?

Seriously folks, why should I even try if the rest of you aren't going to do shit? Honest question because I'm feeling a bit frustrated with this entire day cycle's wasted potential right now.

It's the middle of the day for many of us, dude. You know this. I'm only on because it happens to be a day where my planning is in the afternoon. And it'll be a holiday soon. And it's Day 2. Cool your jets :P

As for your sig review, what pings me more than anything about what he's been saying is his being so resolute that an entire mafia team couldn't have missed its kill last Night. This sort of thing has been happening in several games lately on this site. It would be one thing to offer his counter arguments, but to so staunchly oppose it as a non-possibility? Nah. Looks defensive. Pings real bad.

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

1. Reminds Mr. Talkative that it's the middle of the workday.
2. Agrees with MP's negative opinion about sig. Killing MP might accomplish two tasks: Shut MP up and frame sig.
3. I need to highlight this:

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

Again, this leaves open a number of avenues for nijuukyugou to vote in case the Black Rock vote picked up steam. Notice again the claimed desire to knock off inactives and slight inactives, but the hesitance regarding a vote for Black Rock.

Spoiler: show

This game is like a patient in the ICU. Where is everyone? Where is the baddie hunting?

Seriously folks, why should I even try if the rest of you aren't going to do shit? Honest question because I'm feeling a bit frustrated with this entire day cycle's wasted potential right now.

It's the middle of the day for many of us, dude. You know this. I'm only on because it happens to be a day where my planning is in the afternoon. And it'll be a holiday soon. And it's Day 2. Cool your jets :P

As for your sig review, what pings me more than anything about what he's been saying is his being so resolute that an entire mafia team couldn't have missed its kill last Night. This sort of thing has been happening in several games lately on this site. It would be one thing to offer his counter arguments, but to so staunchly oppose it as a non-possibility? Nah. Looks defensive. Pings real bad.

I still want to knock off inactives/slight inactives. There is no reason except inactivity to vote BR, so that's cool with me. I want to know where Wilgy went. You say zebra has played a detached and gut-read game in the past, but what she's doing right now is just detached without even gut reads. It's just...randomness. Chaotic. It's the same reason I voted Wilgy Day 1 - zebra's behavior is not civ, whatever she's doing.

So I'm good with voting any of those (includes sig, but less so than the inactives), and I need to get back to work. I'm going to mull over it a bit (maybe ten minutes or so) before I make the final call.

Look, I know right now is the middle of the day, I'm referring to all of Day 2. There has been next to no discussion of anyone other than inactives for the past nearly 48 hours, and that's what bothered me, not just the lack of current content. Anyway, I was just venting. Feel free to ignore that nonsense.

Help me out here; you lost me a bit with your thoughts on sig. Why is it that his staunch opposition pings you? Like, walk me through the mindset of why a mafia sig would do that, that's where I'm lost.

She provided gut reads in saying BR and Epi are town and Snow Dog is bad, for example, but yes, they're completely unsubstantiated. The only problem with just lynching everyone who behaves in such a way (your bolded/underlined sentiment) is that just because someone is behaving chaotically does not mean their role card is mafia. It is up to us to make a determination based on the available content. I don't think lynching inactives blindly right now will serve us anything particularly productive; if we happen to hit a member of the mafia, great, but it's essentially flipping a coin.

True about a chaotic player not necessarily pulling a mafia role, but their behavior doesn't help civs. A lynch vote for zebra would not be a blind vote for an inactive - it would be voting for someone who I think is exhibiting non-civ (and I'll just outright say it - mafia-or-indy-chaotic) behavior.

What I'm saying about sig's opposition to the idea is that it sounds defensive of inactive mafia behavior, i.e., steering people away from discussing inactivity as more than a possibility for an entire mafia team because he doesn't want us to look at them. As in, perhaps he is part of an inactive mafia team, and is defending it because oh shit, they all missed their kill chance last night, better cover it up. That's what it looks like when the behavior of late on the site points to the opposite of his stance.

And I think the discussion of inactives needs to happen - personally, I'm tired of seeing it ignored and seeing active players lynched so early and then having a dead game, so I'm happy we're going on that vein this game. Hell, it's encouraging ME to post! (Well, that and I also have more time recently to play than I have in the past couple of games.) Lynch inactives, encourage participation through group force :P

With that, I'll vote zebra today, even if it's for pressure. Gotta finish grading these quizzes, dammit.

1. MP voiced concern about "blindly" voting for inactives, and nijuu counters by saying that a vote for zebra is not a blind vote for an inactive, but a vote for someone exhibiting non-civilian behavior. So I want to circle back to the first on-topic post: nijuukyugou lamented inactives coasting but people who do things outside of the box being fair game. Isn't that what zebra was doing? I would think my friend nijuu would have been more eager to lynch someone with two posts than someone who was just being goofy.
2. Says sig looks like part of an inactive mafia team, which concedes the point that one of the mafia teams is inactive...yet she still votes for zebra, who was at least present.
3. Raises the banner of lynching inactives...
4. Votes zebra, who was zany, not inactive. And zebra had more on-topic things to say than Black Rock.

1) "Casts a wide net." Yep, that's Day 1. Nothing unusual.
2) I did not think MP was bad. I said he could be either way, and I didn't vote him because I appreciated his activity more than a half-assed, half-suspicion. Don't twist my words.
3) "How am I supposed to answer that?" (regarding my question about Black Rock) Yes, exactly like you just did. That is actually what I wanted. All you did was vote her and say you would. I wanted to see if there actually was anything else going on in your head.
4) Yep, not revealing rainbow list secrets. Or talking about damned rainbows.
5) Zebra was inactive Day 1 except for smileys. Day 2, it was smileys and meaningless banter, and not much of it, which is inactivity (though not on the level of Black Rock and others). Zebra is suddenly active as fuck, and guess what? The other team kills.

Just so we don't get in a semantics argument about "inactive" (unless, of course, you'd like to, and I'm happy to oblige ), you're right - I did go on and on about inactives and voted someone not in the straight-up inactive category (as in, zero posts or very few posts with literally no relevant content). I'd say my definition is different, but that doesn't make any sense as I try to type an explanation. I straight up used a word to lump together inactives and people making few unhelpful and/or irrelevant posts, which is almost as bad as being inactive. You caught my semantic error.

However, I'm not a pirate, and I knew this suspicion might happen if I didn't shoot in the dark with you for BR. I'll say it again - I don't miss PMs. I am not an inactive player. I am a quiet player. Even when I'm stupid, stupid busy, I don't miss them. I send them from the bathroom at work or stop at a damned rest stop if I have to, and I set alarms for them just in case I know I'll be busy.

Anyway, shit, my friend showed up 20 minutes earlier than we planned so I must be off. Creepy tentacles make for easy votes. I'm going to vote zebra again. I don't understand why, when she's suddenly active, that she's off people's radars - zany behavior does not mean civ behavior, and the timing (posting in unhelpful smileys and even more unhelpful banter Day 2, coinciding with missing a kill Night 1 and getting it Day 2) still makes her look bad.

Jesus, I suck at spoiler tags. Whatever. Don't have time to fix it.

[Scotty]

Ok folks's, I've got a lot to do in prep for thanksgiving (happy turkey day, US of A!) including prepping my first tofurkey (wtf). I'm sated for now with soneji's response to the "MP is civ" thing. I think I'd rather vote Boom today, so I'll go ahead and do that. Godspeed, brave adventurers!

boom

[Snow Dog]

Ok if zebra gets lynched and turns out bad and i didn't vote for her this time that could look bad I guess? Still am unlikely to vote her though. I'm still fretting over that first day Quin self vote. Epi's case on Nijuukyugou looks not too bad. Sif I dunno, going back and fore on that one. Soneji also a possible but am unsure of.

dammit no wonder i left this game for so long.

[Boomslang]

I'm glad you followed through Boomslang.

How was I covering tracks Boomlingo friend?

By continuing to press for MP as bad, despite strongly suggestive evidence to the contrary (him getting NKed), based on (in my opinion) misinterpreted evidence, his early rainbow list. You're trying to justify your previous desire to vote for him.

In any case, I have family to attend to. Voting Wilgy. Scotty, I'm sorry to see you voted for me; I really was around N1 and chose not to post, and I think you're being uncharitable about my position towards BR.

[DrWilgy]

I'm glad you followed through Boomslang.

How was I covering tracks Boomlingo friend?

By continuing to press for MP as bad, despite strongly suggestive evidence to the contrary (him getting NKed), based on (in my opinion) misinterpreted evidence, his early rainbow list. You're trying to justify your previous desire to vote for him.

In any case, I have family to attend to. Voting Wilgy. Scotty, I'm sorry to see you voted for me; I really was around N1 and chose not to post, and I think you're being uncharitable about my position towards BR.

Have fun Boomslang.

[MacDougall]

Beard

[Nachomamma8]

I voted Boomslang!
I'd probably think about this vote more if it wasn't Thanksgiving but it's Thanksgiving and I feel the case is strongest there.

[DrWilgy]

I trust Niju less than Zebra... And Niju voted Zebra...

We must save Zebra.

I like the vote spread. It's abit harder to see who's good and who's bad from ith though. Power votes are Niju's, Scotty's, and perhaps me, Epi's and Quin's.

I could see Epi being a cannibal. I could see Boomslang and Niju being Pirates.

Linki - oh shit, whaddup another power vote. Nachomamma are you bad? I'm assuming I'm not on your team if I am.