[END] Parks and Recreation Mafia

November · #401

Ron Swanson wrote:P.S.: Andrew! I need you to see more things than the word "Leslie" in your posts. You are using chronic roleplay and tunneling to speak of no one else in this game and that is not good.

i'll read your stuff on christ

November · #402

but FIRST !! !

Leslie Knope wrote:
Andy Dwyer wrote:explain this post as anything but a bad post
you can't

more LIKELY?
wouldn't it be CERTAAAIN if you were good!?
I was rushing to ensure that I got my post in before the coin toss I believed was going to lead to my death. I'm certain that I'm good, but I was uncertain about Jamm. The most logical decision in the moment was to change my vote to Jamm because I know I'm good.

those weren't the words you talked
you said it was more likely.
it should be cARETAN
flippity floppy leslies!

Leslie Knope wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:As for me, this brings me to Chris, for instance.

To say that you suspect Jerry, but vote Jamm, while Jerry was a serious contender, is a mighty suspicious move. The only way you could even consider absolving such a move would be if Chris would have had no f***ing clue what the tally situation is.

But Chris did not say that.

Chris Traeger wrote:When last I looked at the votes, Jerry was leading by a decent margin
So either Jerry was still in the lead, by one vote, and Chris, instead of voting Jerry who he still suspected, voted Jamm.
Either Jerry was tied with Leslie and Chris, instead of voting Jerry who he still suspected (over Leslie, for which he had stated nothing relevant whatsoever during the game), voted Jamm.

This either looks like a vote meant not to doom Jerry for good, or to offer Leslie a lifeline, given that she was stuck, while in a tie herself, on Jerry.

Chris is the common denominator in this, anyway.
A very good point, and a much stronger lead than Jerry at this time. I will also be placing my vote for Chris at this time. If a new lead shows up, I will be around to revise it.

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nice flip flop !
DO YA GOT AN Y SANDALS!?

seriosuly though! Leslie J U S T named me and Jerry as her #1 suspects. Ron makes one post, Leslie on the surface agrees and now she's voting for CHRIS!T

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Leslie Knope wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:You're a pain in the ass, Knope. Your Day 1 narration was "April and Ron are colluding". Then your Day 2 narration was to still try to scramble around that. Now it's "Ron buddied to April". ***s sake.
I believe I changed my mind on that on day 2 and admitted that my logic was flawed. As far as the "Ron buddied up to April" bit, I was stating a possibility. I don't want to eliminate any possibility.

is ur bike broken
bc u seem to be back pedalling awfully HARD!

November · #403

Ron Swanson wrote:Goodbye, April. You will be avenged. I will personally see to it.

I believe the mafia team in this game is a team doing the right moves. Scanned for the cop and found him, and now removed an all-but-confirmed civilian. This requires at least one functioning brain in the BTSC. If you still want to dispute that the mafia containts performant players, offer an adequate profile and point at someone.

As for me, this brings me to Chris, for instance.

To say that you suspect Jerry, but vote Jamm, while Jerry was a serious contender, is a mighty suspicious move. The only way you could even consider absolving such a move would be if Chris would have had no f***ing clue what the tally situation is.

But Chris did not say that.

Chris Traeger wrote:When last I looked at the votes, Jerry was leading by a decent margin
So either Jerry was still in the lead, by one vote, and Chris, instead of voting Jerry who he still suspected, voted Jamm.
Either Jerry was tied with Leslie and Chris, instead of voting Jerry who he still suspected (over Leslie, for which he had stated nothing relevant whatsoever during the game), voted Jamm.

This either looks like a vote meant not to doom Jerry for good, or to offer Leslie a lifeline, given that she was stuck, while in a tie herself, on Jerry.

Chris is the common denominator in this, anyway.

i agree !
Chris should vote for he suspects most, not who is going to be lymched. unless he was gonna die
btu that wasn't an issue yesterday.

ron you're talking smart. i like it. almost as smart as FBI AGEN T BERT MACKLIN!!!

seriously though
Leslie
chris (but i'd like to hear mor3 from him!)
Gary

ron i talked about gary a little more yesterday
is there somethin gyou'd like to hera about from me in partifuarl?

Towny McTownface · #404

Andy Dwyer wrote: those weren't the words you talked
you said it was more likely.
it should be cARETAN
flippity floppy leslies!

I guess there's a reason you failed the tests to be a cop.

[quote="Andy Dwyer""]
....
nice flip flop !
DO YA GOT AN Y SANDALS!?

seriosuly though! Leslie J U S T named me and Jerry as her #1 suspects. Ron makes one post, Leslie on the surface agrees and now she's voting for CHRIS!T[/quote]
Well, that's because I learned new information. When I was four I thought that chocolate milk came from brown cows, and then I flip-flopped when I found out that there was something called chocolate syrup.

Andy Dwyer wrote:is ur bike broken
bc u seem to be back pedalling awfully HARD!

Stating facts isn't back-pedaling. From now on, I'm not going to humor your ridiculous accusations unless you have something reasonable or legitimate to say. This is the third day of this and it's frankly ridiculous. You're ridiculous. And Bert Macklin isn't a real FBI agent.

Maid · #405

I really think the mafia should just quit. I mean, like right now. Gimmie a win. Gimmie it. Just gimmie it.

nutellaphant · #406

Hmm. I have to say, the results of Day 2 casts the most shade on Chris. His well-timed vote saved Jerry and almost doomed Leslie.

I agree, Leslie changing her stances like, well, a politician isn't great, but I'd see a Chris + Jerry team as more likely, and Leslie doesn't fit in at all with that duo.

Andy has a very specific worldview where Leslie is the only member of the mafia, and may as well be wearing a giant neon sweater with "MAFIA" written in the Sopranos font. Anything that conflicts with that worldview he either ignores or forcefully misinterprets. See: Andy correcting me about my thought process for suspecting Jerry. He thought it was because I hated RP for whatever reason. I said no, and pointed out the real reasons, and then he ignored me again.

I'm not really sure what alignment he's aligned with; a purposefully futile mad witch hunt against a single target is a nice way to avoid bloody hands and suspicion. Then again, his posts could easily read confused civ. The fact that I myself am still nowhere near 100% convinced of Leslie's innocence only complicates things.

MartinWP69 · #407

Ann Perkins wrote:I find it interesting that 2 of the people I am suspecting, Donna & Craig, voted to tie up to the vote on Leslie. But... Mafia wouldn't all vote to save Leslie, right? Has Donna/Craig/Leslie even communicated with eachother in this game?? I mean, if Mafia has a day chat, they might forget to talk in THIS day chat.
In any case, I'm going to start the day with a vote on Leslie. I wouldn't mind a Chris lynch today either.

Sorry I wasn't able to check in at the end of the day, was out with the fam. There was no "unvote" option yesterday, so I couldn't unvote Ron; Ron definitely has stepped it up yesterday, in my eyes, in towniness. I know other players always thought he was town, but I'm just not used to players roleplaying x.x throws me off. Ron questioning me, and accepting some answers but not others to things I have said/done really helped me getting over my tunnelvision on the guy. Sorry Ron
ps. you DID claim Citizen twice :P

Chris, can you give us a read on Leslie & Donna?
Donna, can you give a read on Chris & Leslie?
Leslie...? Same thing.

Ann Perkins! I love you, but I don't trust you. At all. Your idea that if someone hasn't spoken to someone else directly they are therefore immediately bad together is a ridiculous assessment. Also, I'm the father of your baby, and you can't remember my name. I'm not sure how I feel about that. No, I am sure. I don't like it. I did not vote in coordination with anyone. While I do have superior coordination and control of my body, I barely had any coordination of my vote with myself. In fact, I had someone distracting me at the last minute of the vote here in my home and it caused a fight. I don't like heated confrontation, it makes me very nervous. So no, I am not on a team with Donna and Leslie and I did not vote to save Leslie. I did not even know my vote caused a tie.

As far as Donna Meagle is concerned, she is an exemplary Parks Employee, but her performance this game has been lacking and I don't like that such a low poster came in and called me blendy. It seems too easy considering that Ron and April were very outspoken in their inaccurate accusations that I have only been role playing and not contributing anything to the game. More on that in a bit.

Leslie's accusations have seemed to be too blatantly inaccurate for me to think she actually is mafia. With her activity in the thread, if she were bad I would expect her accusations to be something that could gain more traction. I mean clearly April was civ, her comments about it being a stretch to call her a confirmed civ were either an attempt to protect April from the inevitable night kill or just plain being obtuse. Either way, I don't see a case for her being a member of the mafia team.

Wow everyone is piling votes on me right now, aren't I just Mr. Popular? Well, yes I actually am, but that's not the point right now.

According to Ron and all, I am not putting anything game relevant into the thread, but only role play. I invited someone to ISO me and no one took me up on it. Just proves that the more you repeat a lie, the more people believe it to be true. So, I'll do an ISO on myself for you all! I do the best ISO's anyway, they really are so much fun!

Ron, you are presenting the only "if" situation, but that is literally what happened. I was doing a catch p, but I did not have enough time. I got to the post from Jeremy Jamm that bothered me and it outweighed me previous concerns with Ann and Jerry at that moment. I had something like six minutes in which left to vote, O I went with my gut. Yes, I think it was Jerry that was far in the lead and I don't know if Jamm even had any votes when I looked at it before I started trying to catch up. But if I am ok with Jerry being in the lead then why does it matter if I put my vote on someone who genuinely raised my suspicion? I voted in hte moment where i was most suspicious. I cast my vote and went straight to writing my explanation because I think had like four minutes and I had problems with my internet. I only discovered the tie and the posts from you all about my vote looking bad after the vote was closed because I had to pee. Even I have to pee sometimes. No more often than is healthy, of course. I can't make this stuff up folks, this is real life. Once I saw my post was going through I walked away. But if you choose to continue to believe the narrative you're spinning, you go right ahead. You are wrong and it will be evident when I get lynched.

Now, I did an ISO on myself to prove how false this idea that I am not contributing actually is... Look forward for that one coming up next!

Maid · #408

And when I say the mafia should quit, I mean Leslie and Chris.

Leslie Knope wrote:I think we need to seriously debate the merits of not lynching anyone today. If we kill someone now and they turn out to be good, then those monsters who killed Lil Sebastian will kill again and we'll be down two good guys. Yes, there's a chance we can get one of the people responsible, but it's only a 1/5 possibility.

Chris Traeger wrote:Silly me, I almost forgot about Bill! He seems to be very preoccupied with you. Which could very much be an attempt to avoid discussion that might stray onto himself or a fellow evil teammate, if it is intentional. It would be nice to hear what he thinks of people other than the fresh breath of air that is April Ludgate. Otherwise I am inclined to put him on a list of suspects. Did that answer your question?

These are the two most suspicious things in the world. If I could, I'd make an attack ad saying so. A really good powerful ad that talks about why a Leslie who wants to help the people she loves and the greatest city in the world (whatever that means) would entertain the thought of throwing out the only tool we have to eliminate the competition. I'd make a really awesome ad that talks about how Chris voted for somebody he almost forgot about, somebody he painted with a hollow claim of "could very much be an attempt." Like, what does that even mean? I mean, I could very much be attempting to run for office to get my dad off my back, and you'd be right, but you get my point.

November · #409

Leslie Knope wrote:
Andy Dwyer wrote: those weren't the words you talked
you said it was more likely.
it should be cARETAN
flippity floppy leslies!
I guess there's a reason you failed the tests to be a cop.

[quote="Andy Dwyer""]
....
nice flip flop !
DO YA GOT AN Y SANDALS!?

seriosuly though! Leslie J U S T named me and Jerry as her #1 suspects. Ron makes one post, Leslie on the surface agrees and now she's voting for CHRIS!T

Well, that's because I learned new information. When I was four I thought that chocolate milk came from brown cows, and then I flip-flopped when I found out that there was something called chocolate syrup.

Andy Dwyer wrote:is ur bike broken
bc u seem to be back pedalling awfully HARD!

Stating facts isn't back-pedaling. From now on, I'm not going to humor your ridiculous accusations unless you have something reasonable or legitimate to say. This is the third day of this and it's frankly ridiculous. You're ridiculous. And Bert Macklin isn't a real FBI agent.[/quote]

There are no *new facts*
you stated nothing about the chris case other than u like it.
that's not new facts
thats you running away from a burning building.

MartinWP69 · #410

For your viewing pleasure, I present the compiled work of Chris Traeger, the highlighted edition! I spoiled each one to keep it from getting to lengthy. And I highlighted the relevant game content in each. You be the judge of whether I am only role playing or not.

Spoiler: show

Gameplay content highlighted, definitely not all roleplay. I am stating mild concern about Andy's wild accusation game style with nothing to explain it. Followed by my second request for Ann to explain the same post, because when I returned and read it through again, it still seemed to be suggesting to me that she thought we should lynch April in order to confirm the setup we were in. After that I addressed Leslie, whose suggestion of a no lynch option seemed off to me. Finally trying to nudge something from Bobby Newport.

Chris Traeger wrote:
Andy Dwyer wrote:and i'm not sure how i feel about chris yet. Sometimes he talks the coolests sentences though

Andy! That is literally the kindest thing you've ever said about me. I really like you too! but I also feel like you are a little bit all over the place. Might I suggest you cut back on processed sugars?

Ron Swanson wrote:Chris will prove a tough challenge, if he's rotten, because he's deeper into his roleplay than I can reach inside my cattle during an anal probing.

I am simultaneously flattered and disgusted. You always keep me on my toes Ron Swanson! Also, I was processing the paperwork for your new position and discovered that you've never been through the Chris Traeger Management Training Seminar yet! I'm so excited for you! You are going to be CTMTSed!

Ann Perkins! I still am really not getting what you were saying in the following post, can you please reword it? I really want to understand your thought processes inside and out since we are spending the rest of our lives together. Also, I love you.

Ann Perkins wrote:Funny how the person who would be willing (and has the know how) to murder a horse, defends the girl who would be willing to murder a horse's claim whose lynch would provide us with invaluable information - 50% chance of which setup we are in. Why would we be inviting town powers to reveal to counter claim, when absolutely no protective exists.

Is there anyone who has not come to work yet today? Or has everyone already clocked in? It's very important to me to stay connected with all the staff member that I oversee.

Leslie, I appreciate your initiative in putting forward the idea of the no lynch option. But I have to disagree. If we don't lynch someone, we simply turn our Day 1 situation into Day 2. And we have let the mafia have a kill without any effort whatsoever to catch one of them. I have to admit that I find you a little suspicious, but keep that energy flowing, I'm loving it!

Bobby Newport! You don't say very much do you? Are you the strong silent type? Or are you hiding some evil schemes for Pawnee?

Spoiler: show

My Thanksgiving Day contribution. Can't say there wasn't any game relevant content here. I highlighted a post from Jerry that I found questionable and explained why. I still think he is a low level suspicion for me, by the way, I'll come back to that later. Then I told Ron basically I find his complaints of my roleplaying to be hypocritical and I have not decided what I think of his alignment. I address Ann, who never gave me any answer to clarify her post, mind you. She is probably the current top of my list, but I am not fully caught up so we will see if that changes anything. I call out some quiet people i really want to hear more from and finally tell Andy that making a list does not constitute a case that anyone can actually follow.

Chris Traeger wrote:Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I hope you are all having a truly wonderful holiday with your friends and loved ones, that is what this day is all about after all! I personally love the cooking. I made a scrumptious grilled portobello dish with glazed baby carrots. It was positively to die for! No turkey for me, eating healthy keeps this body strong!

I thought I would take a break from my celebrating to share my thoughts with the group. After all, we’re stronger as a team! I love teamwork!

I was going through some of Jerry’s projects he’s been working on and I found something a little bothersome in the following quote:

Jerry Gergich wrote:I sure wonder why anyone would want to kill poor Craig. He barely posted, and only said nice things about April.If April was mafia, it could make sense for her to kill a defender, but nothing she has posted makes me think she would be so evil. I like to believe the best in people.Most likely it was a low poster kill designed to leave no clues at all. I guess I'd better step up my own game if I don't want the same thing to happen to me! It would be just my luck.

Maybe I'm just being a goofball, but it seems to me that a more active mafia is more likley to kill low posters than a more passive one, so I would want to look at higher posters. The highest posters so far are Ron, Andy, Ben, Ann, and April. I already know I trust April and already know I don't trust Ben, so that leaves me three more people to look at carefully before I vote. Just as soon as I finish this filing.

The first highlighted portion looked a little like an attempt to cast some doubt on the confirmed civilian status of April, without committing to her being bad, as he followed it up with a statement which says he doesn’t find a reason not to believe her to be bad. I like his positive outlook on people, but I don’t like his casting mild doubt while taking the opposite stance.

The second one concerns me because it could dissuade people from trying to look for a connection or reason to look at who might kill Craig and why. Looking for answer can only be a good thing, at least that’s what my therapist, Dr. Richard Nygard tells me all the time.

Ron Swanson, your paranoid distrust of government officials such as myself is hilarious as always! Also, I find your annoyance with my roleplay to be positively amusing. It is akin to Marshall Langman lobbying against gay rights really. I truly hope, Ron, that I can win your trust and respect someday. Because I trust and respect you. Well, as a person anyway. I’m not sure what I think of your alignment in this game yet. I mean, you have sworn to take down the government from the inside so you can hardly blame me for being cautious. Also, I welcome pressure from the community, being put under pressure makes us stronger. I learned that from my childhood disease which was supposed to kill me, but here I am! Isn’t life a magnificent blessing!

Ann Perkins! You seem to have changed your mind on listening to April regarding her opinion of Ron Swanson again. Can you explain why? As it stands right now, I trust you less than him. I don’t want to upset you in your delicate condition, and might I add, you are positively radiant! But you have read less genuine to me than Ron. Your turnabout in Day looked to me a little like you were buddying up to the most confirmed civilian in the game, rather than sincerely changing your mind. And now your sudden vote on him makes me feel even more concerned about your alignment. I look forward to your response!

I would really like to hear more from Jeremy Jamm, Bobby Newport, Donna Meagle, Tom Haverford, and Jean-Ralphio Sapperstein. Conversation is like lubricant for friendship! Also, it helps to find the baddies.

Finally, Andy my sweet, lovable friend! I mean it, cut out processed sugars. You might also try avoiding red dye 40, it’s known for causing ADHD among other things. Also, use your words. Lists with no context are very unhelpful. But I love your energy buddy!

Now I need to go, I want to squeeze in a quick run before I turn in for the night. Twice around Pawnee city limits seems good to me. Anyone want to join me?

Spoiler: show

I had an immediate knee jerk reaction to Jamm in this post because his assertion was just so scummy. I posted it as I was catching up on a bunch of posts in an effort to be ready for the lynch, which I clearly was unable to do seeing as how I had no idea the votes were so different when I cast mine from when I last looked at the point I started my catch up. I answered Ann's attempt to pair me as a baddie teammate with someone, which was really pretty silly imo. And seems like a no u. And I commented on the fact it keeps getting repeated that I have not been putting game relevant material out in the thread, only role play., which is aflat out lie. And I gave my vote and reasons.

Chris Traeger wrote:
Jeremy Jamm wrote:and either way the mafia would come out on top, since there would be a cop in any three possible set ups, narrowed to two if they had the godfather which I believe they do.

All I'm saying is it makes no sense what so ever for April to do what she did, it stinks as bad as Knope having a bigger office. Speaking of Knope I'd like her to clarify her paranoia.

We're assuming we have an active miller or a miller who would role claim. It is very small yes, however it isn't impossible that she is mafia.

I'm leaning towards a Knope lynch right now, but might look a little deeper into a few players if time permits. I'm very very busy after all running my orthodontist firm and being the best city council member.

Councilman Jamm, I must object to this statement. If April is a civilian Miller, as I think the evidence heavily indicates as well as all her actions, then the best course of action is for her to do exactly what she did. Because anyone who claimed she was lying would result in either her or the other person being lynched, and the proof would be in the all natural tapioca pudding. Also, the fact that she would be unlikely to have anyone counterclaim the Miller, she would hopefully help the cop eliminate one more player from the list of people who might actually be mafia. I must say, I don’t think I care for your reasoning or assertions.

And reading on I see April brought these points up as well. I’m so proud of you April, you are quite the empowered young woman!

Ann Perkins! I know you feel threatened by my close friendship with Ben, but no one is as special to me as you are. I have not interacted with Ben because I’ve been sidetracked trying to sort out my thoughts on other people. It’s quite the brain challenge.

I must say, I’m a little perplexed by the people saying I am not putting anything relevant out there, and that I am blendy. I’ve been pointing out things as I see them, and even though I am finding my roleplaying very enjoyable, I have not posted more than one or two posts with no game relevance whatsoever. And those I believe were early on. I would request that those who have made these assertions would conduct an ISO on me to see if what I am saying is not true.

I would speculate that perhaps my character persona is clouding your impression, I am after all the most positive person I know!

At the moment I still find Ann Perkins and Jerry Gergich suspicious, but Jeremy Jamm’s recent posts have me even more concerned with his potential alignment. I never thought I would say this, but I will be voting for Jeremy Jamm.

Spoiler: show

There you have it team! I went through all my work and highlight every bit of game related content and even explained my intentions since it seems to be getting lost in the character for you. I should hope this reveals the truth regarding the narrative that I am only roleplaying.

Now, I am not spending the entire time defending myself, I'm going to do an ISO on Jerry, Ann and Ron. Because frankly, I like even less the turn around that Ann has had regarding Ron. I find it mildly disturbing.

Linki: Bobby Newport! That was the scummiest thing I have seen you do! I mean that with all due respect. I didn't forget about Bill Derxhart all together, I simply was focused on others during that one post. And the "Silly me! I forgot..." Was intended to be my role play introduction. As far as my vote, I had two other people I was mildy concerned about too, and in the end I felt less confident about them than about what I saw in the case against Dexhart. not all that surprising for a Day 1 vote.

MartinWP69 · #411

Jerry Gergich wrote:Hey guys, I'm here! I was late because I dropped my laptop in my soup. Butterfingers!

Jerry Gergich wrote:Gosh, you are all so nice. I don't want to lynch any of you. But Ben and Chris are new around here, and Ben seems to be trying a little too hard, plus he didn't cry at L'il Sebastian's funeral, and he also made me play Cones of Dunshire with him.

Sorry Ben.

And yet, I'm the one whose votes are getting the third degree. Hard to imagine.

Jerry Gergich wrote:Oh geez, I can't believe Craig is dead. That's so sad! You know, when I'm feeling a little down, my beautiful wife and daughters always cheer me up. But right now all I really want to do is find the killer. Ben was awful quick to get in here after the kill. I wonder if he was expecting it.

Oh Jerry, your family is a delight! You know, when I first read this I was a little unsure how I felt about your reasoning. And I think I can understand your reasoning, after all, the mafia would be anxious to know if they had killed an important role or not. However, it also could have been simply when Ben was able to be online. I don't think we can conclude that it would definitely make him bad.

Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.

Here you characterize me as "trying to hard." This is the one post that I think speaks in your favor, because April pointed out that you mixed up Bill Dexhart and the cop, making it look like you aren't paying attention. I can agree you aren't paying attention well, but are you an inattentive civilian or an inattentive mafia?

quote="Jerry Gergich"]I sure wonder why anyone would want to kill poor Craig. He barely posted, and only said nice things about April. If April was mafia, it could make sense for her to kill a defender, but nothing she has posted makes me think she would be so evil. I like to believe the best in people. Most likely it was a low poster kill designed to leave no clues at all. I guess I'd better step up my own game if I don't want the same thing to happen to me! It would be just my luck.

Maybe I'm just being a goofball, but it seems to me that a more active mafia is more likley to kill low posters than a more passive one, so I would want to look at higher posters. The highest posters so far are Ron, Andy, Ben, Ann, and April. I already know I trust April and already know I don't trust Ben, so that leaves me three more people to look at carefully before I vote. Just as soon as I finish this filing.[/quote]

I won't bore you all by going over this one again, you can see from my past comments that I feel like this is a little bit shady. Also, swats at high posters are easy.

Jerry Gergich wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:
Jerry Gergich wrote:Oh geez, I can't believe Craig is dead. That's so sad! You know, when I'm feeling a little down, my beautiful wife and daughters always cheer me up. But right now all I really want to do is find the killer. Ben was awful quick to get in here after the kill. I wonder if he was expecting it.
Hello, I don't even remember you from yesterday. Can you give me a read on Ron please
Ron's my boss and he was good enough to give me a job, so I don't want to say anything mean about him. But his posts have seemed a little stilted to me. He's not as high up on my suspect tree as Ben and Chris, but he's not in the clear either.

Mild shots at Ron now as well with no clear reasoning why. Ben is just because he is a high poster and came in quick after the night post. Me because I am giving the trying to hard vibe. Mmkay.

Jerry Gergich wrote:
Chris Traeger wrote: The second one concerns me because it could dissuade people from trying to look for a connection or reason to look at who might kill Craig and why. Looking for answer can only be a good thing, at least that’s what my therapist, Dr. Richard Nygard tells me all the time.
I'm sorry if my work is not up to your standards lately, Chris. I ripped my pants somehow and had to spend most of the day sitting down to keep anyone from noticing. It was only a theory, and if you can see a connection between Craig and the killer, I would love to hear it! I just didn't see much in his posting to make me think of other people.

Roleplay and walking back his earlier comment about thinking it is probably a coincidence.

Jerry Gergich wrote:Looking at these files all day, I have to say that I think the killer is someone who posts a lot, and that it's very likely that at least one voter for Bill was bad. Cross referencing the two leads me to Ben, Ann, Chris, or Ron. Ron is just such a great guy, and after reading some more of his posts, I think I have to trust him for now.

That means I think we should lynch Ben, Ann, or Chris. Ann used the word "interesting" in her second post of the game, which to me always seems like a fluff word that doesn't say anything but appears to say something, so she is definitely on my radar.

Ann Perkins wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:Hullo how's it going friends
Aren't you paying attention, woman? This is the worst day since Charles Mulligan's Steakhouse was shut down. Show some damn respect!
I can't ask how my friends are doing during this tragedy? Interesting...
Anyone else have thoughts on these three? I'm so lucky to work with such smart people.

Now he is back to high posters, though I have never seen a solid reason from him why. This time though he excludes Ron and adds Ann over the word "interesting." Which strikes me as odd, and Ann clearly felt so too judging from her reaction. This reaction makes me wonder if I am wrong about Ann or Jerry. Or if perhaps they are distancing here, which might also explain their interaction. Very interesting!

In conclusion. Jerry Gergich displays at best half the effort one could hope for, and is targeting the easy vote options in high posters. He has supported none of his accusations with anything meaningful, but simply shot random and somewhat laughable arguments at his listed suspects. I believe when I look at the whole of his work, I feel more inclined to think he is probably bad and having a hard time manufacturing suspicions that look genuine. That's just my opinion. I still think he has a beautiful family, even his daughter Milicent who broke my heart for the first time ever. I'm usually the one who breaks up with the other person. I'm ok though, Dr. Richard Nygard has helped me to move on and to love myself. Who wouldn't love me, I'm a lovable guy!

On to Ann Perkins ISO next.

November · #412

Ben Wyatt wrote:Hmm. I have to say, the results of Day 2 casts the most shade on Chris. His well-timed vote saved Jerry and almost doomed Leslie.

I agree, Leslie changing her stances like, well, a politician isn't great, but I'd see a Chris + Jerry team as more likely, and Leslie doesn't fit in at all with that duo.

Andy has a very specific worldview where Leslie is the only member of the mafia, and may as well be wearing a giant neon sweater with "MAFIA" written in the Sopranos font. Anything that conflicts with that worldview he either ignores or forcefully misinterprets. See: Andy correcting me about my thought process for suspecting Jerry. He thought it was because I hated RP for whatever reason. I said no, and pointed out the real reasons, and then he ignored me again.

I'm not really sure what alignment he's aligned with; a purposefully futile mad witch hunt against a single target is a nice way to avoid bloody hands and suspicion. Then again, his posts could easily read confused civ. The fact that I myself am still nowhere near 100% convinced of Leslie's innocence only complicates things.

dude, i'm sorry i've slighted yu like that.
i truly think leslie is an imposter. i want everyone to vote for her. i think she is bad.

but like, i'm okay with other topics.

i've given other reads. i can talk about them more if there's something you're interested in, dudde.

MartinWP69 · #413

Now to begin with Ann Perkins! She is lovely as she is wise, and twice as kind!

Although, I do suspect there is a chance that she is an evil mafia member intent on killing us all. But she is quite lovely!

Ann Perkins wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
Chris Traeger wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:April's reveal would invite a counter-claimif false, correct? Bit shortsighted for her to pull such a prank on us, but I'll await further development on that.
That's a great point Ron! I wonder though, if it would invite a counter claim if there is not actually a miller in the set up at all? Just considering the possibilities. Isn't this game fun?
If we happen to be outside the 1 or C range, town roles from any other setup would therefore exist to completely invalidate April's claim.
Funny how the person who would be willing (and has the know how) to murder a horse, defends the girl who would be willing to murder a horse's claim whose lynch would provide us with invaluable information - 50% chance of which setup we are in. Why would we be inviting town powers to reveal to counter claim, when absolutely no protective exists.

I'm sure it won't surprise you that I start here. I read it and it seemed to be saying that she found it "funny" that Ron defended April. Because April's lynch would provide us information regarding what setup we are in. And she didn't like that he was inviting a civilian to counter claim when there is no protection available. The last part I get, the first part I don't like. Killing someone off as a civilian just for information on the setup seems short sighted and it would be more likely a mafia member would take this stance because they want to focus on finding the cop rather than killing a useless civ. It would be to their advantage that a confirmed civ get lynched because people doubt her or think she is more useful to them dead. This is why I had been so troubled by that post. And I asked her multiple times to clarify since it is worded so weirdly with the Horse stuff. She implied it said the exact opposite but I can't understand it if so. Moving on.

Ann Perkins wrote:
Bill Dexhart wrote:Why make the claim when you have no way of proving otherwise? I still think a mafia member is the one most likely to make that claim. Especially given they are the only ones who know what the current setup is.

And a vote for me too? Do I get a gold star if I win this electi...oh wait. This isn't an election.
Because Mafia already has the game narrowed to 2 different setups. If a counter claim gets made, it informs us what the setup actually is.

Would that not take the Mafia's advantage away in a setup like this?

Basically the only reason I'm keeping my vote off April atm. Her lynch does offer valuable information, but a better lynch may present itself.

Ann Perkins! I really do struggle to understand what you are trying to say. It took me a while to work through this post, but eventually I understood you to be saying that it makes sense for the miller to out their role in order to give the civs some information. And you withhold a vote from April here basically only on the chance a better lynch comes along. You still seem to think an April lynch for informational reasons would be a good thing, even if not the best thing. Still finding it hard to reconcile that to an actually good alignment, but I'm not very far into your ISO, so perhaps you will change my mind yet! Just like you changed my mind about how I felt about being with you!

Ann Perkins wrote:
Ben Wyatt wrote:
Bill Dexhart wrote:
April Ludgate wrote:
Ben Wyatt wrote:Well, now you know that we know that your role claim could easily be faked, you know? The possibility of you being a despicable liar face shouldn't be ignored. It's like in Game of Thrones, when Littlefinger tells Ned Stark that "Distrusting me was the wisest thing you've done since you climbed off your horse."
Don't you have some Star Trek fan fiction to be writing or something?

Bill's response to my claim was weird. He acted like I should be able to support my claim other than just saying it. I wonder how his intestines taste.
It was more a response that you would come out and say it with no other way for you to back your claim up, outside of simply saying that not stating such a claim would be worse in the long run.

I have a big, firm eye on you for that though. Especially since you were willing to vote me so early.
If nobody else can say definitively that we aren't in Setup 1 or C, and nobody else comes forward and says, "Hey! I'm the Miller instead of April!", her roleclaim is pretty much proven, and she's a confirmed civilian.

I'm inclined to go innocent until proven guilty on this one.

Do you mean like "Hey I'm the Cop!", in a setup where no protective roles are present?

You seem to still be indicating you suspect her claim was made to lure the cop to claim. Or else you are giving a reason why someone else would not want to counter her claim. Again kind of unclear, but I can see how this might be said from a civilian standpoint.

Ann Perkins wrote:
Bill Dexhart wrote:
Ben Wyatt wrote:And I can say that my role definitely is in both 1 and C.
Thanks for the confirmation on her claim.
I can't say whether or not I agree with her at this moment.

At the time that i first read this I assumed you were just saying you were undecided about whether or not you believed her. Later you said you were trying to provide cover for the cop. I think it lines up with what you said previously about the lack of protection.

Ann Perkins wrote:
Chris Traeger wrote: I'll go first. I think that my lovely Ann Perkins suggesting we should lynch April just to confirm the set up we are in seems a little unsavory. She is beautiful and will be a wonderful mother for our baby, but she might also be evil. Isn't this game invigorating!
I'm sorry, but it's the opposite. I may have spoken against her, but I have said more to her benefit. Even discouraging a lynch on her.
You're right, that I did state that lynching her will reduce the setup to 2 possibilities. But I stated after that mafia already has that knowledge and wouldn't risk sacrificing themselves in order to share that knowledge with us. Even if it does possibly out them a power role, it just wouldn't be worth it for them.

Here is your response to my original suspicion. I disagree that you said more to her benefit and that you discouraged a lynch on her. And I have not seen you say the last thing about mafia taking the risk in any of the posts I have read this far. That said, I do think that perhaps my issue with you really is just that you are not communicating things very clearly. I would guess you thought you were communicating those things but you definitely were not that I could ever see. Even just this short way into my ISO, I suspect I have been wrong about you.

Ann Perkins wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I've read more graceful OMGUSs in my life, but I guess you can't expect much from someone who works in healthcare, where they'll just rip you off for so much as a sneeze.
It's not an OMGUS because you aren't pushing on me. By that logic, I can't give me read on a person after theyve given a read on me? Seems like a very poor attempt at a redirect, to be quite honest.
You also ignore the point of the post by throwing around statements like OMGUS while hiding under the guise of your role play. Don't get me wrong, you have great RP, but you are using it as a crutch.

You can have my vote for now.

I think this is the most solid post I have seen from you, and though I can't determine if I agree with your assessment of Ron until I complete an ISO on him too, I like where it was coming from. The reasoning behind it.

Ann Perkins wrote:OK April, because I believe your claim and respect your opinion because of that, I have read back on Ron.

Unfortunately, my opinion does not change. Sure, some posts are stating opinions on the game, such as your claim, but majority of players did that. It wasn't anything unique, and isn't exceptionally pro-town. I mean, I said the same stuff and I don't expect anyone to read me town for it. Something different that Ron did than everyone else was pointing out that the Miller claim encourages a power role to counterclaim; I see this (as I stated in response to him) as inviting the power roles to out themselves to counter claim. This is not a good idea, especially with no town protective and while we have town roles that could potentially NK if they did not agree with this claim.

I decided not to get hung on it and tunnel, but reminded myself to keep my eye on his posts. He then posted the post about his reads. It wasn't very impressive, and to be honest seemed a little forced. Like he had to say something about everyone to make sure he didn't forget to bus himself away from his mafia buddies.

Sure, he hasn't done anything exceptionally scummy in the game, but neither has anyone else. He is the person that stands out to me and gives me a bad feeling. In combination with a vanilla/goon claim (says his role is in every setup), this is enough for me to consider outwardly voicing my opinion on him instead of keeping it to myself.

I hope that can help explain how it's not an OMGUS

I would say the same about this post, it feels very genuine to me. And I like your reasoning. Thinking things through. Way to go, Ann Perkins!

Ann Perkins wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I am not as pleased as April with Ann's vote, due to the progression that shows up in her appreciation of Bill, which is:

-- No signs of suspicion in early chatter with Bill over April's claim.
-- No issues whatsoever with Bill's claim, in fact takes it as "confirmation on her [April's] claim" based on zero substance. Besides, a reminder that, for the same format of claim, she deemed me suspicious.
-- Wants a case "presented to her" when April prods her for an opinion on Bill.
-- Ben analyses his posts and, all of a sudden, Ann is content with the points made, "can understand the votes" on Bill and joins the party.
1) I had no suspicion of Bill earlier because I didn't find him to be suspicious. It truly is that simple.
2) I don't know when this happened. Please clarify which post you're talking about so I can address it, because you're misinterpreting. I believe April's claim because it could backfire on Mafia SO easily. Had nothing to do with Bill.
3) See point 1. I did not have any suspicion on Bill at that point, so I asked April (who has my high town read) for her point of view of the subject. They way she laid it out to me change my thinking into someone who was very insincere, and looked like planning went into every post he said (I guess role-playing does that, too) which I sometimes read as a player making sure nothing they say is taken wrong.
4) my post coming after Bens is pure coincidence, and my change in vote was purely on April's presentation and that I saw nothing pro-town from him when I went back to reread. But even so, I don't see a problem with having additional reads on a person, so Bens ISO was appreciated, even though I hate ISOs.

So, to sum it up for you:
- person who I am most interested in lynching (Ron) is a town read to most players, and no one will join on a d1 lynch on him or pressure him.
- my strongest town read (not really a read I guess, but you understand) lays out a logical argument about a player.
- I cross reference her points against his posts, and find that he doesn't really appear to be attempting to help town too much.
- Bill appears to be an OK lynch, but not my #1 choice. I look at vote count and understand my vote is obviously more useful to us in a different position, especially with only a few day hours left where I'd be online.
Therefore, my vote was moved from Ron to Bill.

The more I read her posts in isolation, the more I feel like I have been very mistaken about Ann! I really like this defense of herself and her post!

Ann Perkins wrote:
Jerry Gergich wrote:Looking at these files all day, I have to say that I think the killer is someone who posts a lot, and that it's very likely that at least one voter for Bill was bad. Cross referencing the two leads me to Ben, Ann, Chris, or Ron. Ron is just such a great guy, and after reading some more of his posts, I think I have to trust him for now.

That means I think we should lynch Ben, Ann, or Chris. Ann used the word "interesting" in her second post of the game, which to me always seems like a fluff word that doesn't say anything but appears to say something, so she is definitely on my radar.

Ann Perkins wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:Hullo how's it going friends
Aren't you paying attention, woman? This is the worst day since Charles Mulligan's Steakhouse was shut down. Show some damn respect!
I can't ask how my friends are doing during this tragedy? Interesting...
Anyone else have thoughts on these three? I'm so lucky to work with such smart people.
Those posts mean literally nothing. It was playful banter at the start of the game. Are you just going to page 1 and quoting the first posts so it looks like contribution -_-

Even if I do get lynched at some point, please say your reasoning isn't because I said "interesting"

Given how I felt about Jerry after his ISO, I am more inclined to think this exchange regarding the word "interesting" makes me feel better about her alignment. It is possible that there is distancing going on here, but taking her posts so far as a whole, I think it's unlikely now.

Ann Perkins wrote:I find it kind of strange how 2 active players, Craig & Ben, haven't interacted at all the entire game so far. Maybe they have another day chat they can communicate in ho-hummm

That being said, Donna does look really bad. Not sure if helpless Civ or unhelpful Mafia trying to lay low.
Tom is another person who I don't see much of, and when I do I am not impressed at all.

While I now am leaning town read on you, I still think the idea that baddies are found in people who completely don't speak to each other is a tenuous basis for a case at best. Ben and I are not mafia teammates. I really haven't interacted with him or to him because he hasn't done anything to draw my attention. Pretty straightforward explanation.

Ann Perkins wrote:I find it interesting that 2 of the people I am suspecting, Donna & Craig, voted to tie up to the vote on Leslie. But... Mafia wouldn't all vote to save Leslie, right? Has Donna/Craig/Leslie even communicated with eachother in this game?? I mean, if Mafia has a day chat, they might forget to talk in THIS day chat.
In any case, I'm going to start the day with a vote on Leslie. I wouldn't mind a Chris lynch today either.

Sorry I wasn't able to check in at the end of the day, was out with the fam. There was no "unvote" option yesterday, so I couldn't unvote Ron; Ron definitely has stepped it up yesterday, in my eyes, in towniness. I know other players always thought he was town, but I'm just not used to players roleplaying x.x throws me off. Ron questioning me, and accepting some answers but not others to things I have said/done really helped me getting over my tunnelvision on the guy. Sorry Ron
ps. you DID claim Citizen twice :P

Chris, can you give us a read on Leslie & Donna?
Donna, can you give a read on Chris & Leslie?
Leslie...? Same thing.

Can you explain to me what changed for you regarding Ron. I am having trouble trusting him because he is the main instigator of the false idea that I am only role playing and not putting anything game relevant out there. I'd like to see what you are seeing. I'm going to hold off on my ISO of Ron until I hear your response to this. Thanks!

Summary: Totally changed my mind about Ann Perkins after that! Aren't ISO's so refreshing!? Nothing like a new point of view to help give you some much needed clarity!

1337 · #414

Ann Perkins wrote:Oops I forgot to vote before I left, oh well.

Noooo Leslie, why do you have to throw a wrench in my thought process and team up with Ron to vote Chris. Now i'll need to reread.

You could also reread someone independent of what Leslie does, you know.

Andy Dwyer wrote:is there somethin gyou'd like to hera about from me in partifuarl?

Suspects. And real-time analysis of multiple posts, players.

You say you have Gerry as your third on your list now, but didn't you inquire yesterday what was so bad about him that deserved a lynch?

Chris Traeger wrote:
Jerry Gergich wrote:Hey guys, I'm here! I was late because I dropped my laptop in my soup. Butterfingers!

Jerry Gergich wrote:Gosh, you are all so nice. I don't want to lynch any of you. But Ben and Chris are new around here, and Ben seems to be trying a little too hard, plus he didn't cry at L'il Sebastian's funeral, and he also made me play Cones of Dunshire with him.

Sorry Ben.
And yet, I'm the one whose votes are getting the third degree. Hard to imagine.

Jerry Gergich wrote:Oh geez, I can't believe Craig is dead. That's so sad! You know, when I'm feeling a little down, my beautiful wife and daughters always cheer me up. But right now all I really want to do is find the killer. Ben was awful quick to get in here after the kill. I wonder if he was expecting it.
Oh Jerry, your family is a delight! You know, when I first read this I was a little unsure how I felt about your reasoning. And I think I can understand your reasoning, after all, the mafia would be anxious to know if they had killed an important role or not. However, it also could have been simply when Ben was able to be online. I don't think we can conclude that it would definitely make him bad.

Jerry Gergich wrote:I agree with most of what April has said. She seems like a sweet kid. I will try to do a better job of posting more. I just get so forgetful. Chris would probably be my next suspect after Ben, as he shares the trying too hard vibe and helped kill the cop.
Here you characterize me as "trying to hard." This is the one post that I think speaks in your favor, because April pointed out that you mixed up Bill Dexhart and the cop, making it look like you aren't paying attention. I can agree you aren't paying attention well, but are you an inattentive civilian or an inattentive mafia?

quote="Jerry Gergich"]I sure wonder why anyone would want to kill poor Craig. He barely posted, and only said nice things about April. If April was mafia, it could make sense for her to kill a defender, but nothing she has posted makes me think she would be so evil. I like to believe the best in people. Most likely it was a low poster kill designed to leave no clues at all. I guess I'd better step up my own game if I don't want the same thing to happen to me! It would be just my luck.

Maybe I'm just being a goofball, but it seems to me that a more active mafia is more likley to kill low posters than a more passive one, so I would want to look at higher posters. The highest posters so far are Ron, Andy, Ben, Ann, and April. I already know I trust April and already know I don't trust Ben, so that leaves me three more people to look at carefully before I vote. Just as soon as I finish this filing.

I won't bore you all by going over this one again, you can see from my past comments that I feel like this is a little bit shady. Also, swats at high posters are easy.

Jerry Gergich wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:
Jerry Gergich wrote:Oh geez, I can't believe Craig is dead. That's so sad! You know, when I'm feeling a little down, my beautiful wife and daughters always cheer me up. But right now all I really want to do is find the killer. Ben was awful quick to get in here after the kill. I wonder if he was expecting it.
Hello, I don't even remember you from yesterday. Can you give me a read on Ron please
Ron's my boss and he was good enough to give me a job, so I don't want to say anything mean about him. But his posts have seemed a little stilted to me. He's not as high up on my suspect tree as Ben and Chris, but he's not in the clear either.

Mild shots at Ron now as well with no clear reasoning why. Ben is just because he is a high poster and came in quick after the night post. Me because I am giving the trying to hard vibe. Mmkay.

Jerry Gergich wrote:
Chris Traeger wrote: The second one concerns me because it could dissuade people from trying to look for a connection or reason to look at who might kill Craig and why. Looking for answer can only be a good thing, at least that’s what my therapist, Dr. Richard Nygard tells me all the time.
I'm sorry if my work is not up to your standards lately, Chris. I ripped my pants somehow and had to spend most of the day sitting down to keep anyone from noticing. It was only a theory, and if you can see a connection between Craig and the killer, I would love to hear it! I just didn't see much in his posting to make me think of other people.

Roleplay and walking back his earlier comment about thinking it is probably a coincidence.

Jerry Gergich wrote:Looking at these files all day, I have to say that I think the killer is someone who posts a lot, and that it's very likely that at least one voter for Bill was bad. Cross referencing the two leads me to Ben, Ann, Chris, or Ron. Ron is just such a great guy, and after reading some more of his posts, I think I have to trust him for now.

That means I think we should lynch Ben, Ann, or Chris. Ann used the word "interesting" in her second post of the game, which to me always seems like a fluff word that doesn't say anything but appears to say something, so she is definitely on my radar.

Ann Perkins wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:Hullo how's it going friends
Aren't you paying attention, woman? This is the worst day since Charles Mulligan's Steakhouse was shut down. Show some damn respect!
I can't ask how my friends are doing during this tragedy? Interesting...
Anyone else have thoughts on these three? I'm so lucky to work with such smart people.

Now he is back to high posters, though I have never seen a solid reason from him why. This time though he excludes Ron and adds Ann over the word "interesting." Which strikes me as odd, and Ann clearly felt so too judging from her reaction. This reaction makes me wonder if I am wrong about Ann or Jerry. Or if perhaps they are distancing here, which might also explain their interaction. Very interesting!

In conclusion. Jerry Gergich displays at best half the effort one could hope for, and is targeting the easy vote options in high posters. He has supported none of his accusations with anything meaningful, but simply shot random and somewhat laughable arguments at his listed suspects. I believe when I look at the whole of his work, I feel more inclined to think he is probably bad and having a hard time manufacturing suspicions that look genuine. That's just my opinion. I still think he has a beautiful family, even his daughter Milicent who broke my heart for the first time ever. I'm usually the one who breaks up with the other person. I'm ok though, Dr. Richard Nygard has helped me to move on and to love myself. Who wouldn't love me, I'm a lovable guy!

On to Ann Perkins ISO next.[/quote]

You know what purpose this tryhard garbage could have served?

HAVING VOTED JERRY

This is all for tonight.

1337 · #415

Ugh not even going to bother with fixing those quotes. You get the idea.

Principal Skinner · #416

Chris Traeger wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:I find it interesting that 2 of the people I am suspecting, Donna & Craig, voted to tie up to the vote on Leslie. But... Mafia wouldn't all vote to save Leslie, right? Has Donna/Craig/Leslie even communicated with eachother in this game?? I mean, if Mafia has a day chat, they might forget to talk in THIS day chat.
In any case, I'm going to start the day with a vote on Leslie. I wouldn't mind a Chris lynch today either.

Sorry I wasn't able to check in at the end of the day, was out with the fam. There was no "unvote" option yesterday, so I couldn't unvote Ron; Ron definitely has stepped it up yesterday, in my eyes, in towniness. I know other players always thought he was town, but I'm just not used to players roleplaying x.x throws me off. Ron questioning me, and accepting some answers but not others to things I have said/done really helped me getting over my tunnelvision on the guy. Sorry Ron
ps. you DID claim Citizen twice :P

Chris, can you give us a read on Leslie & Donna?
Donna, can you give a read on Chris & Leslie?
Leslie...? Same thing.

Ann Perkins wrote:I find it interesting that 2 of the people I am suspecting, Donna & Craig, voted to tie up to the vote on Leslie. But... Mafia wouldn't all vote to save Leslie, right? Has Donna/Craig/Leslie even communicated with eachother in this game?? I mean, if Mafia has a day chat, they might forget to talk in THIS day chat.
In any case, I'm going to start the day with a vote on Leslie. I wouldn't mind a Chris lynch today either.

Sorry I wasn't able to check in at the end of the day, was out with the fam. There was no "unvote" option yesterday, so I couldn't unvote Ron; Ron definitely has stepped it up yesterday, in my eyes, in towniness. I know other players always thought he was town, but I'm just not used to players roleplaying x.x throws me off. Ron questioning me, and accepting some answers but not others to things I have said/done really helped me getting over my tunnelvision on the guy. Sorry Ron
ps. you DID claim Citizen twice :P

Chris, can you give us a read on Leslie & Donna?
Donna, can you give a read on Chris & Leslie?
Leslie...? Same thing.
Ann Perkins! I love you, but I don't trust you. At all. Your idea that if someone hasn't spoken to someone else directly they are therefore immediately bad together is a ridiculous assessment. Also, I'm the father of your baby, and you can't remember my name. I'm not sure how I feel about that. No, I am sure. I don't like it. I did not vote in coordination with anyone. While I do have superior coordination and control of my body, I barely had any coordination of my vote with myself. In fact, I had someone distracting me at the last minute of the vote here in my home and it caused a fight. I don't like heated confrontation, it makes me very nervous. So no, I am not on a team with Donna and Leslie and I did not vote to save Leslie. I did not even know my vote caused a tie.

As far as Donna Meagle is concerned, she is an exemplary Parks Employee, but her performance this game has been lacking and I don't like that such a low poster came in and called me blendy. It seems too easy considering that Ron and April were very outspoken in their inaccurate accusations that I have only been role playing and not contributing anything to the game. More on that in a bit.

Leslie's accusations have seemed to be too blatantly inaccurate for me to think she actually is mafia. With her activity in the thread, if she were bad I would expect her accusations to be something that could gain more traction. I mean clearly April was civ, her comments about it being a stretch to call her a confirmed civ were either an attempt to protect April from the inevitable night kill or just plain being obtuse. Either way, I don't see a case for her being a member of the mafia team.

Wow everyone is piling votes on me right now, aren't I just Mr. Popular? Well, yes I actually am, but that's not the point right now.

According to Ron and all, I am not putting anything game relevant into the thread, but only role play. I invited someone to ISO me and no one took me up on it. Just proves that the more you repeat a lie, the more people believe it to be true. So, I'll do an ISO on myself for you all! I do the best ISO's anyway, they really are so much fun!

Ron, you are presenting the only "if" situation, but that is literally what happened. I was doing a catch p, but I did not have enough time. I got to the post from Jeremy Jamm that bothered me and it outweighed me previous concerns with Ann and Jerry at that moment. I had something like six minutes in which left to vote, O I went with my gut. Yes, I think it was Jerry that was far in the lead and I don't know if Jamm even had any votes when I looked at it before I started trying to catch up. But if I am ok with Jerry being in the lead then why does it matter if I put my vote on someone who genuinely raised my suspicion? I voted in hte moment where i was most suspicious. I cast my vote and went straight to writing my explanation because I think had like four minutes and I had problems with my internet. I only discovered the tie and the posts from you all about my vote looking bad after the vote was closed because I had to pee. Even I have to pee sometimes. No more often than is healthy, of course. I can't make this stuff up folks, this is real life. Once I saw my post was going through I walked away. But if you choose to continue to believe the narrative you're spinning, you go right ahead. You are wrong and it will be evident when I get lynched.

Now, I did an ISO on myself to prove how false this idea that I am not contributing actually is... Look forward for that one coming up next!

What? I said "if" and "might", and you hyper-sensitively translated that to "if someone hasn't spoken to someone else directly they are therefore immediately bad together"? I don't understand that train of thought. Along these lines, I also don't understand why you're so defensive of it, as it's pointing out additional things that we could be looking at. If you think that there is 0% chance some players wouldn't interact with their fellow Mafia players less if they have a second day chat, then you're naive.

Your main redeeming quality is that Leslie is now voting you, the person who you saved with your scummy vote. I mean, sure, that absolutely could've been discussed and decided on to help cover the trail in the event of a lynch. But yes, it does make me stop and your alignment in regards to yesterday's lynch.

But I don't understand your read on her. You're claiming her to be Town by saying she's inaccurate - can you give examples of this? Why is being inaccurate = scum? While I do agree that the best position for scum is leading the lynch (accusations with traction), an OK spot for Mafia would be to have accusations that go no where as an attempt to blend in while looking "helpful".

I tend to agree with Ron that you haven't put much substance into the game before being pressured. I mean, I find that kind of shady Ron, because that's what I was accusing him of d1/early d2, but I guess the game evolves and situations change.

An ISO on yourself? I'm not going to lie, I'm very Anti-ISO; it's the art of taking posts out of context, and doing so with your own posts is extra meaningless IMO. I mean, I guess I appreciate the effort, but I'm not sure your read on yourself is going to be useful. All it is is painting yourself as Town.

Principal Skinner · #417

Sorry, I meant "Why is being inaccurate = town?" in the above post.

Principal Skinner · #418

Ben Wyatt wrote:
Ann Perkins wrote:I find it kind of strange how 2 active players, Craig & Ben, haven't interacted at all the entire game so far. Maybe they have another day chat they can communicate in ho-hummm
HEY CRAIG, HOW'S IT GOING? I'M DOING GOOD.

This post gives me a Town read for Ben.

Basically an honest, annoyed, sarcastic response to me saying he is scummy for not talking with Craig (I meant Chris, Craig was dead). I would see Mafia as correcting me on this, as Mafia knows who they killed. Reads like a Civ response to me. I mean, this is based off something that could've been easily faked, but It still helped him in my eyes lol.

Maid · #419

I want a town read. Gimmie a town read. Come on. Please?

Maid · #420

I'd rather vote for myself because I'm the best man for the job. Clearly. So let's elect me and Chris can do the job for me.

November · #421

Ron Swanson wrote:
Andy Dwyer wrote:is there somethin gyou'd like to hera about from me in partifuarl?
Suspects. And real-time analysis of multiple posts, players.

You say you have Gerry as your third on your list now, but didn't you inquire yesterday what was so bad about him that deserved a lynch?

am i not allowed to inquire why people suspect someone if i dn't fully understand it?

Akemi Homura · #422

Hey gang! Sorry I've been away, but I accidentally ran over myself with my car. I'm okay though, just bruises mostly. I have always though Chris' enthusiasm seemed phony, and I am happy to vote for him today.

MartinWP69 · #423

Ann Perkins! You don't have to be defensive towards me, after reading your ISO I feel like I am finally understanding you. And I feel comfortable with your alignment at this point. Would you mind answering my question regarding you change of heart about Ron, what makes you feel more comfortable with him now? As far as you saying I am hypersensitive about it. I would not characterize it that way. I am addressing it because twice now you have linked me with people erroneously based entirely upon my lack of interaction with them. I think that is a mistaken logic.

My ISO of myself is not a real ISO in the traditional sense. I know I am town, I don't need to analyze my own posts to figure that out. And I would not expect you or anyone else to simply take my word on it. I do however, think it is only fair if people are going to accuse me of doing nothing but roleplay that they justify it after looking at the reality. It is a baseless accusation. Well, that's not entirely true, it's based in Ron's imagination and his repetition of it. So if you or anyone is going to use that argument I think they should have to first face the reality, as highlighted in those posts.

Regarding Leslie, I don't think inaccurate = town. I do think her particular inaccuracies only seem to jive with a civilian mind set. I explained it pretty clearly I think. Letting her vote for me change your mind is silly, teammates bus all the time. We are not on a baddie team together though, she is not bussing me. I believe she is town, and misguided town at that. But it's ok, I still think she's literally the best person I know!

Ron... oh Ron. I voted based on my gut. I went with Jamm because his post seemed so much more blatantly bad. I am not going to explain it again. I didn't do an ISO on Jerry during Day 2 because I was swamped with work! Being a city manager is quite taxing. We can't all sit in our offices all day whittling recorders for the worshippers of Zorp. I don't know if it would have changed things for me yesterday if I had done one, it doesn't matter now. I voted my gut. Either get over it, or lynch me. I don't care. I'm too zen to care.

Linki: There he is again, just in time to toss in a vote with a lackluster reason. You can always count on Jerry!

November · #424

larry, what else do you think other than chris

November · #425

Paprika · #426

WOOOOOAAAAAA....whaaaaaaattttt?!??!? Haz every1 been drinking Pawnee tapwater today cuz it's gone str8up CRAYCRAY in here!!!

I didn't get Andy's suspish of Leslie, but I kinda think I'm startin' to see it...especially after this sound bite right before yesterday's finale...

Leslie Knope wrote:I really hope Jamm's bad. Otherwise we just voted for two civvies. He's on my suspicious list anyway, so if I survive then we'll know for sure.

That just struck me as not very cool...even for a square like Knope!

And what's the deal with Bobby? He's persona no grotto for most of the time and now wants to up his Q rating by asking for votes?

Then there's all the Chris talk...he's a beautiful specimen of a man, but all his recent lengthy rants are worse than sitting through an Eagletonian Opera: they both REEK of drama!!!

I'm not much of a bandwagon jumper...more of a taste maker/trend setter....but I think my vote will either go t oChris or Leslie today...

Principal Skinner · #427

Jerry Gergich wrote:Hey gang! Sorry I've been away, but I accidentally ran over myself with my car. I'm okay though, just bruises mostly. I have always though Chris' enthusiasm seemed phony, and I am happy to vote for him today.

So, what's up?
Anything to add?

Principal Skinner · #428

Chris Traeger wrote:Ann Perkins! You don't have to be defensive towards me, after reading your ISO I feel like I am finally understanding you. And I feel comfortable with your alignment at this point. Would you mind answering my question regarding you change of heart about Ron, what makes you feel more comfortable with him now? As far as you saying I am hypersensitive about it. I would not characterize it that way. I am addressing it because twice now you have linked me with people erroneously based entirely upon my lack of interaction with them. I think that is a mistaken logic.

My ISO of myself is not a real ISO in the traditional sense. I know I am town, I don't need to analyze my own posts to figure that out. And I would not expect you or anyone else to simply take my word on it. I do however, think it is only fair if people are going to accuse me of doing nothing but roleplay that they justify it after looking at the reality. It is a baseless accusation. Well, that's not entirely true, it's based in Ron's imagination and his repetition of it. So if you or anyone is going to use that argument I think they should have to first face the reality, as highlighted in those posts.

Regarding Leslie, I don't think inaccurate = town. I do think her particular inaccuracies only seem to jive with a civilian mind set. I explained it pretty clearly I think. Letting her vote for me change your mind is silly, teammates bus all the time. We are not on a baddie team together though, she is not bussing me. I believe she is town, and misguided town at that. But it's ok, I still think she's literally the best person I know!

Ron... oh Ron. I voted based on my gut. I went with Jamm because his post seemed so much more blatantly bad. I am not going to explain it again. I didn't do an ISO on Jerry during Day 2 because I was swamped with work! Being a city manager is quite taxing. We can't all sit in our offices all day whittling recorders for the worshippers of Zorp. I don't know if it would have changed things for me yesterday if I had done one, it doesn't matter now. I voted my gut. Either get over it, or lynch me. I don't care. I'm too zen to care.

Linki: There he is again, just in time to toss in a vote with a lackluster reason. You can always count on Jerry!

I'm not ignoring your Ron question, I just haven't had a chunk of time to pull up his posts, but I will do it.

Also, I'm not linking you with anybody, I'm simply pointing out possibilities to encourage discussion on the ideas.

Leslie's vote did not change my mind, it has just stopped me and preventing me from rushing into any actions. I understand busing, and that is why I'm taking my time to reevaluate the situation.

Towny McTownface · #429

Hey gang, busy day today. Just skimmed all the recent posts since my last login. Jerry's definitely stuck out to me as suspicious. Nothing mentioned on his near-lynching? No comment on people's criticisms of him?

Anyway, I'll read more in depth while I'm eating my lunch. I usually get home a half hour before the vote is set to close, so probably no long posts for me because I won't have a computer to type on.

November · #430

leslie is always busy when she's not getting votes and free when she is.

1337 · #431

Back in the saddle, for most of the remaining hours.

The tally for Chris is a bit trigger happy at the moment to give me full comfort in there being no tension in this voting process. That being said, I have yet to be dissuaded from my Chris vote, as I find him putting the most elaborate show of posts bleeding out words and attempts to catch up on previous suspects. Which he didn't bother with, in the alledged spur of the moment of his late vote last phase, going instead for a "ping" on Jamm. Day 2 and voting on a ping, good Lord! I don't find anything in his explanations to make his vote any less sidelining and/or messing up with the overall tally. You know what going with the gut is, Chris? Seeing one of your three suspects to be leading (not by a wide margin at that) - which you yourself acknowledge to have seen - and placing the vote there to call it a day, in case you had any real convinction.

I find it clear that Newport was either wipped by his dad to start taking this seriously or switched with a new replica. For the moment, I am not sure how to validate his contribution. The "vote me" stuff could be mafia throwing it in our faces just as much as civilian saying stupid stuff.

Jerry's vote couldn't be more lackluster, Chris fits his "high posters" old agenda, so he's acting like he might as well take a phase off to work on his fart symphony.

I want to believe Leslie is town, even for a bit of sentimental value. The sheer thought of having worked with a traitor all these years... Going back to what made me second doubt the Leslie lynch, for a bit, there's her having kept her in the lead (although it wasn't that big and sacrificial of a lead) and, while I don't give any kind of serious value to these things, her plead that she's town does not reek of fakery and is instead couple with efforts to keep herself afloat. Unfortunately, however, that is it. She's in a position of gaining suspicion across the board. I disagree with Andrew and feel the Jamm phrasing angle on suspecting her is pure semantics. Self-preservation is self-preservations. Civilians would do it. Mafia would do it. The person who wouldn't do it is Ron Swanson. Because he laughs at death.

I will be far more pissed if Andy turns out mafia, because it's mostly (ok Andrew let's say 80%) roleplay and drumming to the extent of getting lucky that he never ends on the burner for it.

Ben had a lukewarm Day 2 and his Jerry case gave me just a tiny bit vibe of steering, especially since he got Leslie (suspicious) and April (not so much) on board for a while. Then again, I agree with everything he has written in this post. I can only mark him as a possible deepwolf, but that isn't saying much. Defeat will probably await us if what Ben is doing is sheeping.

Ann is dropping out of my radar as well. Her contribution to Day 2 turned out to be empty, since she never made it back to change anything. I'd inquire if she can sum up her suspects for right now, since I don't remember much of her stance upon perusing the posts. On the hand, I also felt that she had been bitting my ass because she's uncomfortable with the roleplay ratio. Nothing I can do about that, however, woman. I'm Ron ***ing Swanson. But at least it's good to get on the same page of all that messy exchange.

Everyone else should be ashamed, if civilian. If not, enjoy your free "I won as mafia without doing shit" tax deduction coupon, at the end of all this. If anyone has any pertinent ideas about Joke-Ringo, Tom or Donna, I'm all ears.

1337 · #432

Hmm, that should have said "there being any tension in this voting process".

1337 · #433

I'm not correcting any other mistakes or typos, because I don't give a damn.

nutellaphant · #434

The near unanimous (excepting Chris himself and Andy) in-thread condemnation of Chris is giving me pause. I also may have been the only person who actually appreciated his ISO's and thread analysis. It's enough for me to hesitate before adding my vote to the woodpile.

Leslie's still being, well, Leslie, and so is Andy for that matter. The suspect I feel the least conflicted about at this point is still one Mister Jerry Gergich, who has decided to completely ignore almost getting lynched and the numerous cases against him in order to comfortably join the "Lynch Chris" party.

He's where my vote is going, at least until he sees fit to actually respond to anything.

Towny McTownface · #435

[quote="Chris Traeger]Regarding Leslie, I don't think inaccurate = town. I do think her particular inaccuracies only seem to jive with a civilian mind set. I explained it pretty clearly I think. Letting her vote for me change your mind is silly, teammates bus all the time. We are not on a baddie team together though, she is not bussing me. I believe she is town, and misguided town at that. But it's ok, I still think she's literally the best person I know[/quote]
I'm on my phone here, so bare with me. Something stinks here and it's not just protein farts. From my perspective, being the only civ who knows for sure I'm civ, this looks like you're trying to make it look like we're working together so people will come after me when you turn out to be evil.

I firmly believe that you put your vote on Jamm to give Jerry a better shot at survival, thinking that nobody would suspect your involvement when Jerry or I got lynched.

I also think Jerry quietly cast his vote for you to further distance himself and your ISO of him was disingenuous at best.

Principal Skinner · #436

Ron Swanson wrote:Back in the saddle, for most of the remaining hours.

The tally for Chris is a bit trigger happy at the moment to give me full comfort in there being no tension in this voting process. That being said, I have yet to be dissuaded from my Chris vote, as I find him putting the most elaborate show of posts bleeding out words and attempts to catch up on previous suspects. Which he didn't bother with, in the alledged spur of the moment of his late vote last phase, going instead for a "ping" on Jamm. Day 2 and voting on a ping, good Lord! I don't find anything in his explanations to make his vote any less sidelining and/or messing up with the overall tally. You know what going with the gut is, Chris? Seeing one of your three suspects to be leading (not by a wide margin at that) - which you yourself acknowledge to have seen - and placing the vote there to call it a day, in case you had any real convinction.

I find it clear that Newport was either wipped by his dad to start taking this seriously or switched with a new replica. For the moment, I am not sure how to validate his contribution. The "vote me" stuff could be mafia throwing it in our faces just as much as civilian saying stupid stuff.

Jerry's vote couldn't be more lackluster, Chris fits his "high posters" old agenda, so he's acting like he might as well take a phase off to work on his fart symphony.

I want to believe Leslie is town, even for a bit of sentimental value. The sheer thought of having worked with a traitor all these years... Going back to what made me second doubt the Leslie lynch, for a bit, there's her having kept her in the lead (although it wasn't that big and sacrificial of a lead) and, while I don't give any kind of serious value to these things, her plead that she's town does not reek of fakery and is instead couple with efforts to keep herself afloat. Unfortunately, however, that is it. She's in a position of gaining suspicion across the board. I disagree with Andrew and feel the Jamm phrasing angle on suspecting her is pure semantics. Self-preservation is self-preservations. Civilians would do it. Mafia would do it. The person who wouldn't do it is Ron Swanson. Because he laughs at death.

I will be far more pissed if Andy turns out mafia, because it's mostly (ok Andrew let's say 80%) roleplay and drumming to the extent of getting lucky that he never ends on the burner for it.

Ben had a lukewarm Day 2 and his Jerry case gave me just a tiny bit vibe of steering, especially since he got Leslie (suspicious) and April (not so much) on board for a while. Then again, I agree with everything he has written in this post. I can only mark him as a possible deepwolf, but that isn't saying much. Defeat will probably await us if what Ben is doing is sheeping.

Ann is dropping out of my radar as well. Her contribution to Day 2 turned out to be empty, since she never made it back to change anything. I'd inquire if she can sum up her suspects for right now, since I don't remember much of her stance upon perusing the posts. On the hand, I also felt that she had been bitting my ass because she's uncomfortable with the roleplay ratio. Nothing I can do about that, however, woman. I'm Ron ***ing Swanson. But at least it's good to get on the same page of all that messy exchange.

Everyone else should be ashamed, if civilian. If not, enjoy your free "I won as mafia without doing shit" tax deduction coupon, at the end of all this. If anyone has any pertinent ideas about Joke-Ringo, Tom or Donna, I'm all ears.

I'll answer this at home, as I only have phone access atm. I'll be home in like 3.5 hr's tops

Principal Skinner · #437

Ron Swanson wrote:Back in the saddle, for most of the remaining hours.

The tally for Chris is a bit trigger happy at the moment to give me full comfort in there being no tension in this voting process. That being said, I have yet to be dissuaded from my Chris vote, as I find him putting the most elaborate show of posts bleeding out words and attempts to catch up on previous suspects. Which he didn't bother with, in the alledged spur of the moment of his late vote last phase, going instead for a "ping" on Jamm. Day 2 and voting on a ping, good Lord! I don't find anything in his explanations to make his vote any less sidelining and/or messing up with the overall tally. You know what going with the gut is, Chris? Seeing one of your three suspects to be leading (not by a wide margin at that) - which you yourself acknowledge to have seen - and placing the vote there to call it a day, in case you had any real convinction.

I find it clear that Newport was either wipped by his dad to start taking this seriously or switched with a new replica. For the moment, I am not sure how to validate his contribution. The "vote me" stuff could be mafia throwing it in our faces just as much as civilian saying stupid stuff.

Jerry's vote couldn't be more lackluster, Chris fits his "high posters" old agenda, so he's acting like he might as well take a phase off to work on his fart symphony.

I want to believe Leslie is town, even for a bit of sentimental value. The sheer thought of having worked with a traitor all these years... Going back to what made me second doubt the Leslie lynch, for a bit, there's her having kept her in the lead (although it wasn't that big and sacrificial of a lead) and, while I don't give any kind of serious value to these things, her plead that she's town does not reek of fakery and is instead couple with efforts to keep herself afloat. Unfortunately, however, that is it. She's in a position of gaining suspicion across the board. I disagree with Andrew and feel the Jamm phrasing angle on suspecting her is pure semantics. Self-preservation is self-preservations. Civilians would do it. Mafia would do it. The person who wouldn't do it is Ron Swanson. Because he laughs at death.

I will be far more pissed if Andy turns out mafia, because it's mostly (ok Andrew let's say 80%) roleplay and drumming to the extent of getting lucky that he never ends on the burner for it.

Ben had a lukewarm Day 2 and his Jerry case gave me just a tiny bit vibe of steering, especially since he got Leslie (suspicious) and April (not so much) on board for a while. Then again, I agree with everything he has written in this post. I can only mark him as a possible deepwolf, but that isn't saying much. Defeat will probably await us if what Ben is doing is sheeping.

Ann is dropping out of my radar as well. Her contribution to Day 2 turned out to be empty, since she never made it back to change anything. I'd inquire if she can sum up her suspects for right now, since I don't remember much of her stance upon perusing the posts. On the hand, I also felt that she had been bitting my ass because she's uncomfortable with the roleplay ratio. Nothing I can do about that, however, woman. I'm Ron ***ing Swanson. But at least it's good to get on the same page of all that messy exchange.

Everyone else should be ashamed, if civilian. If not, enjoy your free "I won as mafia without doing shit" tax deduction coupon, at the end of all this. If anyone has any pertinent ideas about Joke-Ringo, Tom or Donna, I'm all ears.

I'll answer this at home, as I only have phone access atm. I'll be home in like 3.5 hr's tops

Principal Skinner · #438

Sorry for the double post ;(

Towny McTownface · #439

Oh, Ann. You're so beautiful nobody would've noticed. Or least cared to criticize.

Thundercat · #440

Ann Perkins wrote:I find it interesting that 2 of the people I am suspecting, Donna & Craig, voted to tie up to the vote on Leslie. But... Mafia wouldn't all vote to save Leslie, right? Has Donna/Craig/Leslie even communicated with eachother in this game?? I mean, if Mafia has a day chat, they might forget to talk in THIS day chat.
In any case, I'm going to start the day with a vote on Leslie. I wouldn't mind a Chris lynch today either.

Sorry I wasn't able to check in at the end of the day, was out with the fam. There was no "unvote" option yesterday, so I couldn't unvote Ron; Ron definitely has stepped it up yesterday, in my eyes, in towniness. I know other players always thought he was town, but I'm just not used to players roleplaying x.x throws me off. Ron questioning me, and accepting some answers but not others to things I have said/done really helped me getting over my tunnelvision on the guy. Sorry Ron
ps. you DID claim Citizen twice :P

Chris, can you give us a read on Leslie & Donna?
Donna, can you give a read on Chris & Leslie?
Leslie...? Same thing.

I voted for Jamm because Ron had made a comment about "faxing the quiet ones to get them to play." Of the people who were quiet, Jamm was the most suspicious to me. I honestly had no idea what happened after I voted till I read back post lynch.

I think Leslie came off the last lynch looking town. She's always been second tier town, behind April and Ron in my list and that hasn't changed.

I had Chris placed middle of the road day 2, but day 3 is looking a little different. His posts read frantic and scattered. Like he knows he's caught. I think that's a good vote today.

I agree with Ron that Bobby Newport has the air of finding a "new life" so to speak. Tom is still far too quiet this late in the game. I know I'm a bit in the "pot/kettle" club, but I do try to put some quality into the posts even if I can't have the quantity.

J-R is so immersed into his role play that all I can think when I read his posts is "thinking requires having a brain. I doubt one exists here."

Jerry's quiet vote on Chris as well as not addressing how he was almost lynched is disturbing.

For me, today it's between Jerry and Chris. I'm leaning more toward Chris though, I think his posts feel more, as April would say, gross than Jerry's.

1337 · #441

I "faxed" you to get people talking about Chris, not vote a silent specimen.

Thundercat · #442

well.....he came out of hiding and started talking....

Thundercat · #443

I'm going to go ahead and vote Chris now. I really don't see a point in delaying this any further.

Principal Skinner · #444

Alright I"m here, if anyone has any questions for me.
I'll go pull up previous questions

MartinWP69 · #445

Well, it seems inevitable that all you lovely people are going to make the mistake of lynching me. I'll vote for Jerry Gergich. Oh! And I see that My good friend Ben Wyatt has voted there as well! Good choice old pal! Once I flip civ I recommend you all give some serious scrutiny to the people who keep repeating the lie that I was not doiung anything but roleplaying. I'm certain you'll find your baddies among them. I suppose this means I won't like to be 150 years old after all, that makes me sad. Maybe one last call to Dr. Richard Nygard so that I can go out smiling! Good luck civilians!

nutellaphant · #446

Chris Traeger wrote:Well, it seems inevitable that all you lovely people are going to make the mistake of lynching me. I'll vote for Jerry Gergich. Oh! And I see that My good friend Ben Wyatt has voted there as well! Good choice old pal! Once I flip civ I recommend you all give some serious scrutiny to the people who keep repeating the lie that I was not doiung anything but roleplaying. I'm certain you'll find your baddies among them. I suppose this means I won't like to be 150 years old after all, that makes me sad. Maybe one last call to Dr. Richard Nygard so that I can go out smiling! Good luck civilians!

Got any legacy reads, old sport?

Principal Skinner · #447

Ron Swanson wrote:Ann is dropping out of my radar as well. Her contribution to Day 2 turned out to be empty, since she never made it back to change anything. I'd inquire if she can sum up her suspects for right now, since I don't remember much of her stance upon perusing the posts. On the hand, I also felt that she had been bitting my ass because she's uncomfortable with the roleplay ratio. Nothing I can do about that, however, woman. I'm Ron ***ing Swanson. But at least it's good to get on the same page of all that messy exchange.

My scum suspects so far are:

Chris has been my top read so far (sorry I know this seems like the easy way out). But I did voice my opinion earlier today, before the votes:

Ann Perkins wrote:I find it interesting that 2 of the people I am suspecting, Donna & Craig, voted to tie up to the vote on Leslie. But... Mafia wouldn't all vote to save Leslie, right? Has Donna/Craig/Leslie even communicated with eachother in this game?? I mean, if Mafia has a day chat, they might forget to talk in THIS day chat.
In any case, I'm going to start the day with a vote on Leslie. I wouldn't mind a Chris lynch today either.

Sorry I wasn't able to check in at the end of the day, was out with the fam. There was no "unvote" option yesterday, so I couldn't unvote Ron; Ron definitely has stepped it up yesterday, in my eyes, in towniness. I know other players always thought he was town, but I'm just not used to players roleplaying x.x throws me off. Ron questioning me, and accepting some answers but not others to things I have said/done really helped me getting over my tunnelvision on the guy. Sorry Ron
ps. you DID claim Citizen twice :P

Chris, can you give us a read on Leslie & Donna?
Donna, can you give a read on Chris & Leslie?
Leslie...? Same thing.

(I said Craig, but meant Chris)

One reason I suspect Chris is one of the same reasons I suspected you, earlier, Ron: using roleplay as a crutch. Almost seems like it's occasionally used to brush off accusations or downplay the severity of the posts. In the posts there are isn't any roleplay, Chris seems really defensive, like when I questioned if him, Donna & Leslie even have communicated in the entire thread at all. He immediately shot down the thought, and accused it of being bad logic. I don't see how something like this is bad logic, as it is entirely possible. I'm not saying it guarantees those three being Mafia, was just trying to form some discussion around it.

I also don't really like how after I start a post stating I'm kind of on the fence w/ Chris, he does an ISO which miraculously changes his opinion on me. I see this as a mild form of buddying.

Also, for someone who posts massive walls of information, his reads on Leslie and Donna that he gave where lack luster.
"As far as Donna Meagle is concerned, she is an exemplary Parks Employee, but her performance this game has been lacking and I don't like that such a low poster came in and called me blendy. It seems too easy considering that Ron and April were very outspoken in their inaccurate accusations that I have only been role playing and not contributing anything to the game. More on that in a bit."
- This isn't really a read on Donna, it's just him stating some points about the slot. His read on Donna turns into a comment about Ron & April. Not cool

"Leslie's accusations have seemed to be too blatantly inaccurate for me to think she actually is mafia. With her activity in the thread, if she were bad I would expect her accusations to be something that could gain more traction. I mean clearly April was civ, her comments about it being a stretch to call her a confirmed civ were either an attempt to protect April from the inevitable night kill or just plain being obtuse. Either way, I don't see a case for her being a member of the mafia team."
- While this read is a little more than his read on Donna, is it still lacking. If anything, I would assume that playing in the "middle ground" of the game, attempting to look helpful, while not really bringing enough attention on herself as a Town Leader is more of a Mafia read than a Town read. But I guess we can have different opinions. Just personally find it odd that his read on someone who he saved with his vote is Town.

There are my opinions on the slots in this game:
Scummiest: Chris Traeger
Second: Donna Meagle
Third: Leslie Knope
Very close fourth: Andy Dwyer
Mid-ground, town lean: Ron Swanson
Reads like a Civ: Bobby Newport
Town read : Ben Wyatt

These three haven't really done much for me to really gather an opinion. I would say that these people are likely Civ, with max 1 being Mafia. If I had to choose the scummiest out of these three, it would be Jean-Ralphio.

Jean-Ralphio
Jerry Gergich
Tom Haverford

Paprika · #448

Ann Perkins wrote:Alright I"m here, if anyone has any questions for me.
I'll go pull up previous questions

If your boy-toy C-Traeg bites it tonight, yu wanna get wet with sound on the dance floor with me at the Snakehole Lounge tonight? #mourningglory

November · #449

Chris Traeger wrote:Well, it seems inevitable that all you lovely people are going to make the mistake of lynching me. I'll vote for Jerry Gergich. Oh! And I see that My good friend Ben Wyatt has voted there as well! Good choice old pal! Once I flip civ I recommend you all give some serious scrutiny to the people who keep repeating the lie that I was not doiung anything but roleplaying. I'm certain you'll find your baddies among them. I suppose this means I won't like to be 150 years old after all, that makes me sad. Maybe one last call to Dr. Richard Nygard so that I can go out smiling! Good luck civilians!

ok i get this but like people don't want to vote you for just role playing

Perd Hapley · #450

Day 3: Microchip

Welcome back to Ya Heard? With Perd. I'm Perd Hapley, and I am about to report the news.

Pawnee City Manager Chris Traeger has been found dead this evening. While going out on an evening jog, he was apparently stabbed to death, continuing a recent trend of murdered people dying. I am being informed that his last words were "my body is a microchip".

Spoiler: show

It is now Night 3.

The thread is now locked for the next 24 hours. If you have an active power, send in your PM.

Which game will be next in my Heist TV Sitcom series? You decide! Pick 1 or 2.