GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]

[Tangrowth]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

[Tangrowth]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yep, I can confirm; votes are changeable.

Don't worry, Boomslang, wouldn't have done this without referring back to the rules first, but I was still not 100% sure. Usually I wait for MM to cast the first vote.

[Golden]

You are missing a post in the series - namely, the first one I aimed at Dom, where I couldn't even ascertain why he was finding you suspicious.

Who hasn't checked in yet? A Person, Lorab, Ninjuukyuwhatever, anybody else? (sorry if you did and I just missed your post)

I did so check in!! I was the first to post!!!!! I just haven't had anything to add since then.

That said...and this is probably a stupid question (and I'll probably get flack for it, but whatever). But, uh, are we supposed to be doing anything? There's no poll, but is there any sort of day 0 exercise that I missed? Do we know how we get to day 1 (or night 1, depending on which comes first)?

Hunting for mafia fellow townies. That's what we're supposed to be doing.

But seriously, no Day 0 poll or anything, just check in time... I believe.

How do other people feel about that line?
I don't feel great about it.

Why not? If anything, I'd call it one of the most town-leaning lines MP has written in this game, so I'm interested in your perspective.

The second one was my figuring out Dom's point and so reframing his point in a way that makes more sense to me, as a poke. Your response to my question reinforced the way I read it from you in the first place.

Ultimately, my own thoughts on Dom went from 'suspicious' to 'oh, I can actually understand Dom's mindset here'. So, I don't particular find Dom suspicious for it. I do, however, believe your own account of why you said 'fellow civvies'.

[Golden]

Votes being changeable and all, then I'm voting for Scotty.

[Tangrowth]

You are missing a post in the series - namely, the first one I aimed at Dom, where I couldn't even ascertain why he was finding you suspicious.

Who hasn't checked in yet? A Person, Lorab, Ninjuukyuwhatever, anybody else? (sorry if you did and I just missed your post)

I did so check in!! I was the first to post!!!!! I just haven't had anything to add since then.

That said...and this is probably a stupid question (and I'll probably get flack for it, but whatever). But, uh, are we supposed to be doing anything? There's no poll, but is there any sort of day 0 exercise that I missed? Do we know how we get to day 1 (or night 1, depending on which comes first)?

Hunting for mafia fellow townies. That's what we're supposed to be doing.

But seriously, no Day 0 poll or anything, just check in time... I believe.

How do other people feel about that line?
I don't feel great about it.

Why not? If anything, I'd call it one of the most town-leaning lines MP has written in this game, so I'm interested in your perspective.

The second one was my figuring out Dom's point and so reframing his point in a way that makes more sense to me, as a poke. Your response to my question reinforced the way I read it from you in the first place.

Ultimately, my own thoughts on Dom went from 'suspicious' to 'oh, I can actually understand Dom's mindset here'. So, I don't particular find Dom suspicious for it. I do, however, believe your own account of why you said 'fellow civvies'.

Oh, okay, thanks. I remember reading that previously, but it slipped my mind that you said that within recent conversation, my bad.

I wouldn't even say I find Dom suspicious for it either; I'm just confused and I'm not sure it's genuine.

[Tangrowth]

Votes being changeable and all, then I'm voting for Scotty.

I'll be joining you if he doesn't answer my concerns. I'd say he's GTH the most suspicious player in this game so far, but too many folks haven't said anything of content.

[Tangrowth]

Votes being changeable and all, then I'm voting for Scotty.

I'll be joining you if he doesn't answer my concerns. I'd say he's GTH the most suspicious player in this game so far, but too many folks haven't said anything of content.

To elaborate, I'm feeling tentatively better about Boomslang after his most recent posts, but I'm still trying to feel him out, hence my prodding. Scotty's wishy-washy thoughts on my use of POE that I highlighted are objectively more suspicious.

[Tangrowth]

Hey Golden, I haven't given you a town read yet. Do you feel like your behavior in this game warrants a town read? Why should I town read you? I just want to keep saying the phrase town read again, so that's why I'm writing this last sentence with the phrase town read in it twice.

[Golden]

Hey Golden, I haven't given you a town read yet. Do you feel like your behavior in this game warrants a town read? Why should I town read you? I just want to keep saying the phrase town read again, so that's why I'm writing this last sentence with the phrase town read in it twice.

I think probably the most town-aligned aspect of my play so far is that I am making no particular effort to conform to my town meta.

[Tangrowth]

Hey Golden, I haven't given you a town read yet. Do you feel like your behavior in this game warrants a town read? Why should I town read you? I just want to keep saying the phrase town read again, so that's why I'm writing this last sentence with the phrase town read in it twice.

I think probably the most town-aligned aspect of my play so far is that I am making no particular effort to conform to my town meta.

How so? What specifically would you say are characteristics of your town meta?

[Tangrowth]

Also, I'm leaving now. Be back at some point.

[Sloonei]

Voting for all three of the J's.

[Golden]

Hey Golden, I haven't given you a town read yet. Do you feel like your behavior in this game warrants a town read? Why should I town read you? I just want to keep saying the phrase town read again, so that's why I'm writing this last sentence with the phrase town read in it twice.

I think probably the most town-aligned aspect of my play so far is that I am making no particular effort to conform to my town meta.

How so? What specifically would you say are characteristics of your town meta?

Well, I wouldn't say it's so much about the characteristics of my actual town meta (because I think being relaxed and jokey actually is one) but more the characteristics of the perception of my town meta, to which I try to conform when bad.

Which is, in a manner of speaking, to start nailing people to the wall very early, day zero be damned.

Or, Canuck's quote in my sig below.

[Sloonei]

...That's how I talk. I'm not trying to be convincing. I'm just being goofy if anything. If you find that suspicious, then... OK. I find your observation a bit forced frankly.

ok

Who are you gonna vote for?

[nijuukyugou]

I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

[Boomslang]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yes, please hold me to a higher standard of proof than literally anyone else in the game, including people (cough, AP) with exactly one no-content post. Sigh. But I know you won't change the vote unless I respond, so here goes.

Current reads:
Golden - Town. Casual enough in the defense of my poke on him, good prodding of JJJ, sticking his neck out early with the hot takes.
Sloonei - Town. Strong reads, logic I agree with about JJJ, seems to be having fun.
Dom - Town. There are some inconsistencies in his post style, mostly capitalization, that suggest he's not overanalyzing his stuff, and I don't think he'd be so... short tempered, perhaps, if he were overly concerned about drawing votes.
BWT - Bad. Weird contradictions in multiple posts, including defending contradictions with more contradictions.
JJJ - Bad. I agree with Sloonei's case.
Vomps - Bad. I flipped a coin and it came up tails.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Sloonei's initial work in suggesting I have been a waffler of sorts was a nice workload for Day 0. I do think though that his choices for highlighting left room for contextual problems (highlighting a word or two that only loosely apply to the stated premise of tentativeness). I also think the core expectation of confidence from anyone, JJJ or not, in a Day 0 lean is rather bunk. So Sloonei should answer for that.

Your tentative language was the thing that stood out most to me when I was reading the thread and I wanted to make a note of that so everyone could look at it and share their thoughts.
It wasn't that you struck me as lacking confidence in any reads on Day 0. That's not a thing I'd fault anyone for. It was that you seemed to be lacking confidence when people questioned you about things you had previously said, and that's not a great look on Day 0, or Day 1, or Day 8.

I'm not sure this qualification of your suspicion matches the original suspicion you presented. You pointed to specific language I used which you said evidenced tentativeness, and you said that tentativeness was atypical of a town JJJ. This means the read you were making was based in meta and in language directly relevant to the confidence I exuded in the reads I stated. Moreover, a significant portion of the moments you cited were related to my perspective of INH -- an uncertain perspective stated in response to an MP request for feedback on his own read. Those weren't "responses to questions about things I had previously said", they were answers to a specific prompt about something MovingPicutres said (relating to his town read on INH).

The other post you highlighted twice (the "softball/poo-fling" at MP is one that I would assert doesn't clearly suit either of those accusations. I clearly stated the thought I had, why I had it, and then qualified it when MP poked me in response. This is one of those examples I referenced earlier when I said it seemed you were attributing terms to "tentativeness" that only loosely applied -- in this case the term "probably".

Please spell out clearly examples of the assertion you're making now (highlighted above), and then describe why in context a different expression of confidence would have been warranted.

[Dom]

...That's how I talk. I'm not trying to be convincing. I'm just being goofy if anything. If you find that suspicious, then... OK. I find your observation a bit forced frankly.

ok

Who are you gonna vote for?

*head EXPLODES*


i don't wanna vote rn
but i'd vote for jay rn

So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?

I wasn't talking about LoRab. There's no implication.

I'm saying the job at hand is to find mafia, then I scratched that out and said fellow townies, because that's what I'm doing, because POE. It was supposed to be a joke.

I concur.

What do you think of Dom raising it?

I'm not really sure, but it strikes me as potentially fabricated. Here's why: Of literally all of my 130+ posts that Dom could have responded to, he chose to zero in on the use of my word "fellow" in one post. Not my use of POE (which Scotty and Wilgy criticized as a potential tool for me to hide behind if I'm bad, for example, even though you all should know better that my baddie strategy is never to hide a damn thing). Not my treatment of any other players.

It also strikes me as potentially fabricated given Dom's lamentation earlier in the game regarding not being able to develop any reads with Day 0 content. Townie Dom picks at things and finds pings, even in the most unlikely places; that's what makes him an astute player. There has been plenty of relatively meaty content so far in this game for him to poke at, so for him to finally come out and again zero in on not liking my use of "fellow", among literally everything, just doesn't compute to me.

Lastly, I find his most recent response to me (of just "ok") confusing. I'm not sure how he is trying to get a read on me with this conversation.

Dom and I are very different people though; if our thoughts were two sides of the same brain, I think that brain would overload due to cognitive dissonance. Consequently, I don't feel we are necessarily very effective at reading each other in these games. The only time I was even remotely accurate about him in recent memory was Mad Max.

So all of that to say the whole ordeal pings me a bit... but I'm far from wanting to stick a pitchfork into Dom at this time.

This wasn't the only post I responded to so....

You are missing a post in the series - namely, the first one I aimed at Dom, where I couldn't even ascertain why he was finding you suspicious.

Who hasn't checked in yet? A Person, Lorab, Ninjuukyuwhatever, anybody else? (sorry if you did and I just missed your post)

I did so check in!! I was the first to post!!!!! I just haven't had anything to add since then.

That said...and this is probably a stupid question (and I'll probably get flack for it, but whatever). But, uh, are we supposed to be doing anything? There's no poll, but is there any sort of day 0 exercise that I missed? Do we know how we get to day 1 (or night 1, depending on which comes first)?

Hunting for mafia fellow townies. That's what we're supposed to be doing.

But seriously, no Day 0 poll or anything, just check in time... I believe.

How do other people feel about that line?
I don't feel great about it.

Why not? If anything, I'd call it one of the most town-leaning lines MP has written in this game, so I'm interested in your perspective.

The second one was my figuring out Dom's point and so reframing his point in a way that makes more sense to me, as a poke. Your response to my question reinforced the way I read it from you in the first place.

Ultimately, my own thoughts on Dom went from 'suspicious' to 'oh, I can actually understand Dom's mindset here'. So, I don't particular find Dom suspicious for it. I do, however, believe your own account of why you said 'fellow civvies'.

Oh, okay, thanks. I remember reading that previously, but it slipped my mind that you said that within recent conversation, my bad.

I wouldn't even say I find Dom suspicious for it either; I'm just confused and I'm not sure it's genuine.

I fabricated a suspicion, I thought?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For what it's worth, I actually prefer to have more "blown up" threads on Day 0 since I think it gives a better future baseline down the road. I've had games where I've been on time crunches before and having to read huge chunks of Day 0 stuff is annoying. But I think starting discussions earlier is never a bad thing.

There was a time when I fully agreed. I have been told enough times though that my own silly intensity literally prevents people from keeping up that I feel I have to acknowledge it -- at least on Day 0.

What I like about BWT is that he has made a concerted effort to interact with a wide portion of the player roster. His reads may not be especially developed yet, but I there is a visible effort in his posts to change that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yes, please hold me to a higher standard of proof than literally anyone else in the game, including people (cough, AP) with exactly one no-content post. Sigh. But I know you won't change the vote unless I respond, so here goes.

This is rather ironically a blatant example of appeasement, something you accused me of earlier in this thread.

BWT - Bad. Weird contradictions in multiple posts, including defending contradictions with more contradictions.
JJJ - Bad. I agree with Sloonei's case.
Vomps - Bad. I flipped a coin and it came up tails.

What are the contradictions you're referring to regarding BWT? What about Sloonei's suspicion of me do you agree with? What is the point of including Vompatti in this post?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I suspect neither MP for saying "fellow" nor Dom for bringing it up. It's poop worth tossing.

So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?

Adverb alert. I don't think that was implied in what MP said. This seems like a trivial thing for Golden to bother with -- I'd expect him to be the guy dismissing this notion first.

[Tangrowth]

Hey Golden, I haven't given you a town read yet. Do you feel like your behavior in this game warrants a town read? Why should I town read you? I just want to keep saying the phrase town read again, so that's why I'm writing this last sentence with the phrase town read in it twice.

I think probably the most town-aligned aspect of my play so far is that I am making no particular effort to conform to my town meta.

How so? What specifically would you say are characteristics of your town meta?

Well, I wouldn't say it's so much about the characteristics of my actual town meta (because I think being relaxed and jokey actually is one) but more the characteristics of the perception of my town meta, to which I try to conform when bad.

Which is, in a manner of speaking, to start nailing people to the wall very early, day zero be damned.

Or, Canuck's quote in my sig below.

Cool, I can dig it.

[Tangrowth]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yes, please hold me to a higher standard of proof than literally anyone else in the game, including people (cough, AP) with exactly one no-content post. Sigh. But I know you won't change the vote unless I respond, so here goes.

Current reads:
Golden - Town. Casual enough in the defense of my poke on him, good prodding of JJJ, sticking his neck out early with the hot takes.
Sloonei - Town. Strong reads, logic I agree with about JJJ, seems to be having fun.
Dom - Town. There are some inconsistencies in his post style, mostly capitalization, that suggest he's not overanalyzing his stuff, and I don't think he'd be so... short tempered, perhaps, if he were overly concerned about drawing votes.
BWT - Bad. Weird contradictions in multiple posts, including defending contradictions with more contradictions.
JJJ - Bad. I agree with Sloonei's case.
Vomps - Bad. I flipped a coin and it came up tails.

I'm not declaring you as my highest priority to be lynched, by the way, just parking my vote as I lay some pressure down to feel you out.

What strong reads would you say Sloonei has?

What makes BWT's contradictions nefarious? You can point to just one example if you'd like.

What about Sloonei's case specifically is compelling?

How do you feel about Scotty?

And I've posted more than anyone else in this entire game, yet you don't list me. Why?

I'll move my vote off you for now though. I'm voting Blooper because she seems eager to start the game and yet hasn't done anything yet.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?

I wasn't talking about LoRab. There's no implication.

I'm saying the job at hand is to find mafia, then I scratched that out and said fellow townies, because that's what I'm doing, because POE. It was supposed to be a joke.

I concur.

What do you think of Dom raising it?

I'm not really sure, but it strikes me as potentially fabricated. Here's why: Of literally all of my 130+ posts that Dom could have responded to, he chose to zero in on the use of my word "fellow" in one post. Not my use of POE (which Scotty and Wilgy criticized as a potential tool for me to hide behind if I'm bad, for example, even though you all should know better that my baddie strategy is never to hide a damn thing). Not my treatment of any other players.

It also strikes me as potentially fabricated given Dom's lamentation earlier in the game regarding not being able to develop any reads with Day 0 content. Townie Dom picks at things and finds pings, even in the most unlikely places; that's what makes him an astute player. There has been plenty of relatively meaty content so far in this game for him to poke at, so for him to finally come out and again zero in on not liking my use of "fellow", among literally everything, just doesn't compute to me.

Lastly, I find his most recent response to me (of just "ok") confusing. I'm not sure how he is trying to get a read on me with this conversation.

Dom and I are very different people though; if our thoughts were two sides of the same brain, I think that brain would overload due to cognitive dissonance. Consequently, I don't feel we are necessarily very effective at reading each other in these games. The only time I was even remotely accurate about him in recent memory was Mad Max.

So all of that to say the whole ordeal pings me a bit... but I'm far from wanting to stick a pitchfork into Dom at this time.

This wasn't the only post I responded to so....

You are missing a post in the series - namely, the first one I aimed at Dom, where I couldn't even ascertain why he was finding you suspicious.

Who hasn't checked in yet? A Person, Lorab, Ninjuukyuwhatever, anybody else? (sorry if you did and I just missed your post)

I did so check in!! I was the first to post!!!!! I just haven't had anything to add since then.

That said...and this is probably a stupid question (and I'll probably get flack for it, but whatever). But, uh, are we supposed to be doing anything? There's no poll, but is there any sort of day 0 exercise that I missed? Do we know how we get to day 1 (or night 1, depending on which comes first)?

Hunting for mafia fellow townies. That's what we're supposed to be doing.

But seriously, no Day 0 poll or anything, just check in time... I believe.

How do other people feel about that line?
I don't feel great about it.

Why not? If anything, I'd call it one of the most town-leaning lines MP has written in this game, so I'm interested in your perspective.

The second one was my figuring out Dom's point and so reframing his point in a way that makes more sense to me, as a poke. Your response to my question reinforced the way I read it from you in the first place.

Ultimately, my own thoughts on Dom went from 'suspicious' to 'oh, I can actually understand Dom's mindset here'. So, I don't particular find Dom suspicious for it. I do, however, believe your own account of why you said 'fellow civvies'.

Oh, okay, thanks. I remember reading that previously, but it slipped my mind that you said that within recent conversation, my bad.

I wouldn't even say I find Dom suspicious for it either; I'm just confused and I'm not sure it's genuine.

I fabricated a suspicion, I thought? [/quote]

No, potentially fabricated. Just because something you say seems forced to me doesn't mean it is -- at least if experience is telling.

You said you responded to other posts; that is true, but you haven't thrown any much in terms of reads yet from what I can see. What reads do you currently have besides Jay?

[nijuukyugou]

I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

I read the first five pages or so, got tired of seeing BOE, and then skimmed the rest. I think it's a combination of seeing the same stuff rehashed in those pages and being exceptionally tired this evening that makes me apathetic towards reading every post.

[Tangrowth]

I suspect neither MP for saying "fellow" nor Dom for bringing it up. It's poop worth tossing.

So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?

Adverb alert. I don't think that was implied in what MP said. This seems like a trivial thing for Golden to bother with -- I'd expect him to be the guy dismissing this notion first.

I was similarly confused, hence my prior question. I'd like to see Golden's response though nonetheless.

[Tangrowth]

I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

I read the first five pages or so, got tired of seeing BOE, and then skimmed the rest. I think it's a combination of seeing the same stuff rehashed in those pages and being exceptionally tired this evening that makes me apathetic towards reading every post.

I think there is plenty of worthwhile material by which to start making reads buried in there, but that's just me.

[Tangrowth]

I'm updating my rainbow and dropping a few town reads. It's Day 1 now. Everyone needs to step up their game.

[nijuukyugou]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yes, please hold me to a higher standard of proof than literally anyone else in the game, including people (cough, AP) with exactly one no-content post. Sigh. But I know you won't change the vote unless I respond, so here goes.

Current reads:
Golden - Town. Casual enough in the defense of my poke on him, good prodding of JJJ, sticking his neck out early with the hot takes.
Sloonei - Town. Strong reads, logic I agree with about JJJ, seems to be having fun.
Dom - Town. There are some inconsistencies in his post style, mostly capitalization, that suggest he's not overanalyzing his stuff, and I don't think he'd be so... short tempered, perhaps, if he were overly concerned about drawing votes.
BWT - Bad. Weird contradictions in multiple posts, including defending contradictions with more contradictions.
JJJ - Bad. I agree with Sloonei's case.
Vomps - Bad. I flipped a coin and it came up tails.

I'm not declaring you as my highest priority to be lynched, by the way, just parking my vote as I lay some pressure down to feel you out.

What strong reads would you say Sloonei has?

What makes BWT's contradictions nefarious? You can point to just one example if you'd like.

What about Sloonei's case specifically is compelling?

How do you feel about Scotty?

And I've posted more than anyone else in this entire game, yet you don't list me. Why?

I'll move my vote off you for now though. I'm voting Blooper because she seems eager to start the game and yet hasn't done anything yet.

I'm eager to play. The game has started. And I have read pages. "Anything" is a strong word, sir.

[Tangrowth]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yes, please hold me to a higher standard of proof than literally anyone else in the game, including people (cough, AP) with exactly one no-content post. Sigh. But I know you won't change the vote unless I respond, so here goes.

Current reads:
Golden - Town. Casual enough in the defense of my poke on him, good prodding of JJJ, sticking his neck out early with the hot takes.
Sloonei - Town. Strong reads, logic I agree with about JJJ, seems to be having fun.
Dom - Town. There are some inconsistencies in his post style, mostly capitalization, that suggest he's not overanalyzing his stuff, and I don't think he'd be so... short tempered, perhaps, if he were overly concerned about drawing votes.
BWT - Bad. Weird contradictions in multiple posts, including defending contradictions with more contradictions.
JJJ - Bad. I agree with Sloonei's case.
Vomps - Bad. I flipped a coin and it came up tails.

I'm not declaring you as my highest priority to be lynched, by the way, just parking my vote as I lay some pressure down to feel you out.

What strong reads would you say Sloonei has?

What makes BWT's contradictions nefarious? You can point to just one example if you'd like.

What about Sloonei's case specifically is compelling?

How do you feel about Scotty?

And I've posted more than anyone else in this entire game, yet you don't list me. Why?

I'll move my vote off you for now though. I'm voting Blooper because she seems eager to start the game and yet hasn't done anything yet.

I'm eager to play. The game has started. And I have read pages. "Anything" is a strong word, sir.

Sorry, I mean no offense, I just mean you don't have any reads or game-related content by which to judge your alignment really. I got nothing. Give me something.

[Tangrowth]

Awesome use of picture though, adds a nice touch.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

I read the first five pages or so, got tired of seeing BOE, and then skimmed the rest. I think it's a combination of seeing the same stuff rehashed in those pages and being exceptionally tired this evening that makes me apathetic towards reading every post.

Baskets of Eggs

I can understand. That's the reaction I anticipated from at least some people. I would say the material in this thread became less about strategy and more about reads over the latter half of Day 0. In any event there's readable material happening right now so gimme da goods.

[Boomslang]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yes, please hold me to a higher standard of proof than literally anyone else in the game, including people (cough, AP) with exactly one no-content post. Sigh. But I know you won't change the vote unless I respond, so here goes.

This is rather ironically a blatant example of appeasement, something you accused me of earlier in this thread.

BWT - Bad. Weird contradictions in multiple posts, including defending contradictions with more contradictions.
JJJ - Bad. I agree with Sloonei's case.
Vomps - Bad. I flipped a coin and it came up tails.

What are the contradictions you're referring to regarding BWT? What about Sloonei's suspicion of me do you agree with? What is the point of including Vompatti in this post?

Point taken, but I didn't really have much of a choice. Either I respond to MP and get accused of appeasement, or I ignore him and keep the vote. You're being opportunistic with a situation I had no part in creating.

Regarding the second quote:
BWT's contradictions are the wording bits. See some of Scotty's posts where he highlights relevant content.
Sloonei's points on the way you qualified your earlier posts, doing a bit of backpeddling, are the foundation of the read.
Vomps is there for the lulz.

To MP: see above for several of your points. Leaning town on Scotty because he agrees with me on BWT. Didn't list you because you just have so friggin' much to evaluate, and I wanted to get some reads out quickly. Laying out a bajillion posts has a smokescreen effect, whether you want it to or not.

[Tangrowth]

Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

Yes, please hold me to a higher standard of proof than literally anyone else in the game, including people (cough, AP) with exactly one no-content post. Sigh. But I know you won't change the vote unless I respond, so here goes.

This is rather ironically a blatant example of appeasement, something you accused me of earlier in this thread.

BWT - Bad. Weird contradictions in multiple posts, including defending contradictions with more contradictions.
JJJ - Bad. I agree with Sloonei's case.
Vomps - Bad. I flipped a coin and it came up tails.

What are the contradictions you're referring to regarding BWT? What about Sloonei's suspicion of me do you agree with? What is the point of including Vompatti in this post?

Point taken, but I didn't really have much of a choice. Either I respond to MP and get accused of appeasement, or I ignore him and keep the vote. You're being opportunistic with a situation I had no part in creating.

Regarding the second quote:
BWT's contradictions are the wording bits. See some of Scotty's posts where he highlights relevant content.
Sloonei's points on the way you qualified your earlier posts, doing a bit of backpeddling, are the foundation of the read.
Vomps is there for the lulz.

To MP: see above for several of your points. Leaning town on Scotty because he agrees with me on BWT. Didn't list you because you just have so friggin' much to evaluate, and I wanted to get some reads out quickly. Laying out a bajillion posts has a smokescreen effect, whether you want it to or not.

I like your fire.

[Golden]

I suspect neither MP for saying "fellow" nor Dom for bringing it up. It's poop worth tossing.

So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?

Adverb alert. I don't think that was implied in what MP said. This seems like a trivial thing for Golden to bother with -- I'd expect him to be the guy dismissing this notion first.

Nothing is a 'trivial thing for me to bother with'. Minutiae can be where you catch people sometimes. The first time around, I read it as simply a treatise on MPs use of PoE, and I believed him when he affirmed that later. But there is no guarantees he wouldn't flounder around in self-justification for a town LoRab read if I had understood his mindset wrong.

I'll also just note I DID dismiss the notion first. But then I revisited it with fresh eyes. And then I dismissed it again. And I'm totally ok with that

I'm going about this game the wrong way if I presume my perspective, and not Dom's, is the correct one without even thinking of testing it.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei's initial work in suggesting I have been a waffler of sorts was a nice workload for Day 0. I do think though that his choices for highlighting left room for contextual problems (highlighting a word or two that only loosely apply to the stated premise of tentativeness). I also think the core expectation of confidence from anyone, JJJ or not, in a Day 0 lean is rather bunk. So Sloonei should answer for that.

Your tentative language was the thing that stood out most to me when I was reading the thread and I wanted to make a note of that so everyone could look at it and share their thoughts.
It wasn't that you struck me as lacking confidence in any reads on Day 0. That's not a thing I'd fault anyone for. It was that you seemed to be lacking confidence when people questioned you about things you had previously said, and that's not a great look on Day 0, or Day 1, or Day 8.

I'm not sure this qualification of your suspicion matches the original suspicion you presented. You pointed to specific language I used which you said evidenced tentativeness, and you said that tentativeness was atypical of a town JJJ. This means the read you were making was based in meta and in language directly relevant to the confidence I exuded in the reads I stated. Moreover, a significant portion of the moments you cited were related to my perspective of INH -- an uncertain perspective stated in response to an MP request for feedback on his own read. Those weren't "responses to questions about things I had previously said", they were answers to a specific prompt about something MovingPicutres said (relating to his town read on INH).

The other post you highlighted twice (the "softball/poo-fling" at MP is one that I would assert doesn't clearly suit either of those accusations. I clearly stated the thought I had, why I had it, and then qualified it when MP poked me in response. This is one of those examples I referenced earlier when I said it seemed you were attributing terms to "tentativeness" that only loosely applied -- in this case the term "probably".

Please spell out clearly examples of the assertion you're making now (highlighted above), and then describe why in context a different expression of confidence would have been warranted.

My true beef was with those two posts I highlighted in my follow-up post. As it was Day 0, I was mostly just trying to fling poo and put content in the thread. I did not put a whole lot of thought into the way I presented my case, I was just concerned with calling attention to a pattern I thought I was picking up on in your posts. In a lot of your Day 0 posts it appeared to me like you were tiptoeing around and trying not to do anything that would get yourself caught in any traps. Maybe this is just a product of an unusually chatty Day 0, but I am accustomed to you being an aggressive poo-flinger out of the gate.
Instead, this time around I saw you giving lots of soft reads, ("I think..." "Maybe...") instead of stirring the pot, and I thought this attitude was best emphasized in those two posts I highlighted separately. Since you asked for descriptions:

Spoiler: show

Actually MP, your post count has already jumped to an obscene place. I'm not sure I've seen it quite like this since you started Transistor with 57 posts before the second-highest poster made it to #8.

You over-eager cuz you bad, m8?

Furthermore, I could say that this was a bit of a softball, Jay, fabricated to seem as though you care about uncovering my alignment, but with no actual value in determining that or in generating useful conversation.

What would you say in response to that?

I would say that it probably is a softball, or perhaps it's better described as a poo fling. That's the nature of Day 0. I'm more conscious of the specific point I made than the average player because I was on your baddie team in Transistor. It came to mind so I puked it into the thread. You had 30 posts and I was in second place with I think 8. That's a significant disparity that recalled the even more significant disparity in that other game.

MP calls you out for what he perceives as a softball question and your response is "Yeah I guess. Or...". I concede that the explanation contained in that "or..." is a valid approach on Day 0/1, but I get the vibe that it came more from a defensive place than an honest one. On top of that, I think this post of yours lends some additional credibility to MP's accusation against you. There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of resistance here. You prodded him but then pulled back as soon as he responded. Day 0 or not, I like my JJJ's to be more aggressive than that.

Exhibit B:

Spoiler: show

I didn't see disdain from inh. He seemed to be fine with others using it, pointed out that it had a particular weakness in this game, and made it clear he wouldn't be using it. That's all perfectly reasonable.

Yeah, this was part of my point; as a member of the mafia, if he in reality feels so strongly against POE, he could have easily derailed the entire thread by responding in a more emotionally manipulative manner. Instead, he popped in, noticed a potential hole in my strategy, expressed his beefs, and then was basically like 'OK, you do you, I'll do me'. I would expect that a mafia INH might have been more tempted to respond more outrageously, or at least draw out the conversation more. He seemed intent to express his piece and then end it.

I guess I don't agree with this assertion. I don't think "emotional manipulation" is a typical circumstance in strategic dialogue regardless of alignment. Sometimes it gets heated when people don't understand each other like it did in Red vs. Blue, but that's an exception and not the rule in my experience (and in that game everyone involved minus Epi was town).

You said earlier that your "I guess" might as well be replaced by the shrug emoji, but that's exactly my point. You seem to be completely conceding whatever you had said prior to this point in the argument. As far as my suspicion is concerned, the content that comes after your first sentence is totally irrelevant. My suspicion is purely in the language you use here. "I guess I don't agree" suggests less confidence than simply "I don't agree." Town Jay has no reason to lack confidence when making the simple statement of opinion like this.

[Golden]

I like Ninja. I called her out in the early game in Monkey Island and I think it got her to make a 'ninja-like' post over there to cover her trail, but she was bad (again, just going on what has been publicly seen).

I don't get the same sense from her here, of staying under the radar. I get more of a sense that she is genuinely reading the thread.

[Tangrowth]

MP's Beginning of Day 1 POE Rainbow - GY!BE Rainbow #3

birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
JaggedJimmyJay

A Person
Dom
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Golden
insertnamehere
LoRab
Metalmarsh89
nijuukyugou
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
timmer
triceratopzeuhl
Vompatti

I've dropped DrWilgy, insertnamehere, timmer, and triceratopzeuhl because those gut-based reads aren't good enough anymore to justify eliminating those folks from consideration for my vote today. I need moar content from you folks whenever you can get to it.

I can still currently justify BWT and JJJ because I still feel strong enough in calling those two town... for now.

I echo JJJ's observation that I dug BWT trying to interact with other players, even in real time, and when I pressed BWT for thoughts, his post was disheveled, but he threw out some believably genuine content. I'm really digging his game so far.

JJJ is slowly turning into the town machine I know and love, and I'm increasingly liking posts he's making recently. I dig that he's throwing out questions that need to be asked (re: Sloonei, Golden, etc.), but I'm still watching him closely.

I've recently added Boomslang after prodding him subsequent to my gut throwing out his name as yucky when prompted by Golden. His responses to my poking have resulted in him elaborating upon and generating reads and content which appear to have a traceable train of though; and even if they are still earlyish reads and I don't agree with them, they have decent substance considering the current stage of the game. And his saltyness from Monkey Island has been not overt but detectable, and consequently I'm leaning towards not fabricated. His fire seems genuine to me.

And then I caught some linki with Golden and Sloonei I want to read after I post this.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Point taken, but I didn't really have much of a choice. Either I respond to MP and get accused of appeasement, or I ignore him and keep the vote. You're being opportunistic with a situation I had no part in creating.

The thing is, I agree with the either/or premise and the rock/hard place nature of the scenario. It's similar to the point I made before: once someone casts suspicion based upon the provision of content, and provision of content which follows is open to that kind of assertion. So why did that assertion apply validly to me?

[Tangrowth]

Sloonei, I had my doubts that your observations against JJJ were genuine, but your most recent post at first glance seems genuine. I also think your response is well crafted and reasonable; I'm still mulling over whether I find any compelling alignment-indicative stuff in it. Let me revisit.

[Golden]

I agree with your boomslang read, MP.

I'm not understanding your read on Jay, though. I don't really see him throwing out 'questions that need to be asked'. I see him trying to undermine people who have expressed shady reads of him, and not much more.

The question Jay asked of me was in essence the same question MP asked of me, but with less neutrality and more of an angle about his perception of how I should act (and so, painting my behaviour in a negative light). MP, without agenda, just asked me to explain my mindset. Completely different.

I don't trust Jay at all.

[Tangrowth]

I like Ninja. I called her out in the early game in Monkey Island and I think it got her to make a 'ninja-like' post over there to cover her trail, but she was bad (again, just going on what has been publicly seen).

I don't get the same sense from her here, of staying under the radar. I get more of a sense that she is genuinely reading the thread.

Talk to me more about this. What's a ninja-like post?

[nijuukyugou]

I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

I read the first five pages or so, got tired of seeing BOE, and then skimmed the rest. I think it's a combination of seeing the same stuff rehashed in those pages and being exceptionally tired this evening that makes me apathetic towards reading every post.

Baskets of Eggs

I can understand. That's the reaction I anticipated from at least some people. I would say the material in this thread became less about strategy and more about reads over the latter half of Day 0. In any event there's readable material happening right now so gimme da goods.

I shall do this thing with more gusto, methinks, when I am more rested and my head doesn't hurt. I am glad to actually be going back and forth with y'all in real time, though.

I'm as caught up as I feel like. That was pages of friggin' POE and...well, I don't even know, and I just feel like playing. Or talking. Or something. I can always go back, I suppose. Or not. We'll see.

Changeable votes, eh? Haven't play with those in a while. May the chaos commence!

How caught up are you/how much have you read?

I read the first five pages or so, got tired of seeing BOE, and then skimmed the rest. I think it's a combination of seeing the same stuff rehashed in those pages and being exceptionally tired this evening that makes me apathetic towards reading every post.

I think there is plenty of worthwhile material by which to start making reads buried in there, but that's just me.

This is probably true. I also wanted to jump in and see what I'd get in the next day (actual day, not game Day - the days during the Day :P ) or so without having to read every post from Day 0. I'll do a combination of both.

As for at least something I notice, MP is more talkative than he has been in a while, and...the player list is awesome? Shit, yeah, need to read when less tired.

Linki - A POX UPON ALL YOUR LINKI

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I suspect neither MP for saying "fellow" nor Dom for bringing it up. It's poop worth tossing.

So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?

Adverb alert. I don't think that was implied in what MP said. This seems like a trivial thing for Golden to bother with -- I'd expect him to be the guy dismissing this notion first.

Nothing is a 'trivial thing for me to bother with'. Minutiae can be where you catch people sometimes. The first time around, I read it as simply a treatise on MPs use of PoE, and I believed him when he affirmed that later. But there is no guarantees he wouldn't flounder around in self-justification for a town LoRab read if I had understood his mindset wrong.

I'll also just note I DID dismiss the notion first. But then I revisited it with fresh eyes. And then I dismissed it again. And I'm totally ok with that

I'm going about this game the wrong way if I presume my perspective, and not Dom's, is the correct one without even thinking of testing it.

My expectation stems from what I perceive to be a history of you turning away "scumslip" type assertions, a mindset I think you and I often share. I don't fault you though for engaging in a test or feel that it wasn't a test, and you haven't pressed the issue so I'll move on.

[nijuukyugou]

I like Ninja. I called her out in the early game in Monkey Island and I think it got her to make a 'ninja-like' post over there to cover her trail, but she was bad (again, just going on what has been publicly seen).

I don't get the same sense from her here, of staying under the radar. I get more of a sense that she is genuinely reading the thread.

Talk to me more about this. What's a ninja-like post?

The best kind of post

[Tangrowth]

I agree with your boomslang read, MP.

I'm not understanding your read on Jay, though. I don't really see him throwing out 'questions that need to be asked'. I see him trying to undermine people who have expressed shady reads of him, and not much more.

The question Jay asked of me was in essence the same question MP asked of me, but with less neutrality and more of an angle about his perception of how I should act (and so, painting my behaviour in a negative light). MP, without agenda, just asked me to explain my mindset. Completely different.

I don't trust Jay at all.

Maybe I'm being blindsided here. I think I need to ISO Jay at some point to clarify my thoughts on him, because my gut was finding him increasingly yucky for most of the game until recently, and since then I've felt he seems reasonable and genuine.

[Tangrowth]

Also, Golden, I think I'm ready to move you up. Movin' on up.

[Tangrowth]

I like Ninja. I called her out in the early game in Monkey Island and I think it got her to make a 'ninja-like' post over there to cover her trail, but she was bad (again, just going on what has been publicly seen).

I don't get the same sense from her here, of staying under the radar. I get more of a sense that she is genuinely reading the thread.

Talk to me more about this. What's a ninja-like post?

The best kind of post

Well played.

[nijuukyugou]

I agree with your boomslang read, MP.

I'm not understanding your read on Jay, though. I don't really see him throwing out 'questions that need to be asked'. I see him trying to undermine people who have expressed shady reads of him, and not much more.

The question Jay asked of me was in essence the same question MP asked of me, but with less neutrality and more of an angle about his perception of how I should act (and so, painting my behaviour in a negative light). MP, without agenda, just asked me to explain my mindset. Completely different.

I don't trust Jay at all.

Maybe I'm being blindsided here. I think I need to ISO Jay at some point to clarify my thoughts on him, because my gut was finding him increasingly yucky for most of the game until recently, and since then I've felt he seems reasonable and genuine.

Never let him out of your sight #neverforgettransistor