GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]

[Tangrowth]

If I had any other major thoughts, I'd share them.

3J's a mystery to me, I don't think I've actually played a game with him as a baddie, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. I don't really fall one way or the other as far as Sloonei. All I'm gonna say is that, barring a major slip, I'd never suspect 3J at Day 0.

Then again, that seems like the only possible time you can actually ISO the gregarious chucklehead.

Alrighty, I have to go to sleep, so any further interrogatives will have to be postponed.

Fair enough. Thanks for your time.

[Marmot]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

[Tangrowth]

184 posts. I think this is my most post-heavy maybe I've ever been at this stage of the game. I'm running on pure mafia adrenaline right now.

[Tangrowth]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

Well, at least you're honest, thanks.

[Dom]

I suspect neither MP for saying "fellow" nor Dom for bringing it up. It's poop worth tossing.

So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?

Adverb alert. I don't think that was implied in what MP said. This seems like a trivial thing for Golden to bother with -- I'd expect him to be the guy dismissing this notion first.

Golden, I'd just like to hear you respond to this line of thinking:

Why did you assume what my point was?

I was not aware I had assumed what your point was. Are you telling me I've misunderstood your point?

Have you read my posts?

Yes.

then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall

[Tangrowth]

then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall

That is me like every game though, isn't it?

[Dom]

184 posts. I think this is my most post-heavy maybe I've ever been at this stage of the game. I'm running on pure mafia adrenaline right now.

tbh
posts like this are why its so high tho

[Dom]

then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall

That is me like every game though, isn't it?

I wouldn't say so.

[Tangrowth]

Blooper, I still have my vote on you. How do you feel about that?

If you can tell me which player to move it to and why, I'll heavily consider your request.

[Tangrowth]

then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall

That is me like every game though, isn't it?

I wouldn't say so.

[Tangrowth]

184 posts. I think this is my most post-heavy maybe I've ever been at this stage of the game. I'm running on pure mafia adrenaline right now.

tbh
posts like this are why its so high tho

Well... yeah, but still.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wouldn't say so.

Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

[Tangrowth]

I wouldn't say so.

Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

GY!BEMP is an awesome abbreviation.

Godspeed You! Black Emperor (of) Monty Python?

[Tangrowth]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

I've tried it; I can't do it. My brain will not let me.

[Dom]

I wouldn't say so.

Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

It's not like it's a huge thing.

But I don't think MP is usually so overtly, and repeatedly saying that he is a civ to thread.

[Marmot]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

What does that even mean?

[Tangrowth]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

What does that even mean?

Playing fast and loose for the first half of the game, then becoming a vote analyzing machine for the second half.

[Tangrowth]

I wouldn't say so.

Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

It's not like it's a huge thing.

But I don't think MP is usually so overtly, and repeatedly saying that he is a civ to thread.

Repeatedly?

[Tangrowth]

Also, Dom, would you please not suspect me in a game for once? :P

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I wouldn't say so.

Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

It's not like it's a huge thing.

But I don't think MP is usually so overtly, and repeatedly saying that he is a civ to thread.

Could be. I see an energized and motivated MP that reminds me of myself at my most ridiculous (and I've been known at times to brazenly declare things like "I'm so f***ing town" when I'm feeling in the zone). I don't have a problem with it.

[Golden]

I suspect neither MP for saying "fellow" nor Dom for bringing it up. It's poop worth tossing.

So, you see MP engaging in a bit of moustache twirling?

I do actually see your point - MP, why assume LoRab is a civvie? Surely that's implied by saying 'fellow civvies'?

Adverb alert. I don't think that was implied in what MP said. This seems like a trivial thing for Golden to bother with -- I'd expect him to be the guy dismissing this notion first.

Golden, I'd just like to hear you respond to this line of thinking:

Why did you assume what my point was?

I was not aware I had assumed what your point was. Are you telling me I've misunderstood your point?

Have you read my posts?

Yes.

then i dont' see your confusion tbh

i thught mp was being way too LOOK AT ME I AM A CIVVIE

it had nothing to do with lorab zat zall

I didn't say that it did. I thought it was that you felt the word 'fellow' was specifically why he came across as civvie.

My questions about lorab were my own, not me trying to speak for you.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

What does that even mean?

I'll explain in baddie chat.

[Tangrowth]

I wouldn't say so.

Please summarize the difference you perceive between Standard Town MP and GY!BE MP.

It's not like it's a huge thing.

But I don't think MP is usually so overtly, and repeatedly saying that he is a civ to thread.

Could be. I see an energized and motivated MP that reminds me of myself at my most ridiculous (and I've been known at times to brazenly declare things like "I'm so f***ing town" when I'm feeling in the zone). I don't have a problem with it.

LOL, that's so hilarious!

I am totally in the fucking zone this game though; I haven't been this consumed by a game in... well, a long ass time.

[Tangrowth]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

What does that even mean?

I'll explain in baddie chat.

Jay using WIFOM? WTF is this?

[Marmot]

MPJay,

To answer you both at once, I haven't read much of the game before the last 20 posts or so. I just looked at the poll and followed Sloonei's vote.

Jay is confirmed scum.

One of these days I'm going to play a game Marmot style.

What does that even mean?

Playing fast and loose for the first half of the game, then becoming a vote analyzing machine for the second half.

Ture. I like to create the content now, then analyze it on Day 4 or so. :P And it's much easier to analyze things when a scum (or two or three) has flipped.

This game will be a bit different, because I doubt I'll catch up on all the Day 0 content.

Linki: That's the spirit JaggedJimmyJuniperJumper!

[Dom]

Also, Dom, would you please not suspect me in a game for once? :P

i mean no.

[Golden]

Ha, it is kind of funny, because after my recent posts about ninja and jay, I was going to tell mp that NOW I think he should be townreading me.

I am in the zone at the moment.

[Dom]

i'd still vote jay over u rn tbh

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay using WIFOM? WTF is this?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'd still vote jay over u rn tbh

Do you have concerns other than those we've already discussed?

[Marmot]

I'm concerned that Jay is bad. The possibility is very concerning.

Jay, what would you do with yourself if you were mafia?

[Tangrowth]

Argh, my posting is so low on content right now, and I'm getting too tired/slaphappy. Sorry for the low content posts you all have to wade through. I'll revisit and do some analytical stuff whenever I have time tomorrow.

I'll add Golden to the town reads here in my rainbow (spoilered so you all can expand it if you want since I just posted one earlier and INH doesn't want to see them :P):

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MP's Beginning of Day 1 POE Rainbow - GY!BE Rainbow #4

birdwithteeth11
Boomslang
Golden
JaggedJimmyJay

A Person
Dom
DrWilgy
Epignosis
insertnamehere
LoRab
Metalmarsh89
nijuukyugou
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
timmer
triceratopzeuhl
Vompatti

I've dropped DrWilgy, insertnamehere, timmer, and triceratopzeuhl because those gut-based reads aren't good enough anymore to justify eliminating those folks from consideration for my vote today. I need moar content from you folks whenever you can get to it.

I can still currently justify BWT and JJJ because I still feel strong enough in calling those two town... for now.

I echo JJJ's observation that I dug BWT trying to interact with other players, even in real time, and when I pressed BWT for thoughts, his post was disheveled, but he threw out some believably genuine content. I'm really digging his game so far.

JJJ is slowly turning into the town machine I know and love, and I'm increasingly liking posts he's making recently. I dig that he's throwing out questions that need to be asked (re: Sloonei, Golden, etc.), but I'm still watching him closely.

I've recently added Boomslang after prodding him subsequent to my gut throwing out his name as yucky when prompted by Golden. His responses to my poking have resulted in him elaborating upon and generating reads and content which appear to have a traceable train of though; and even if they are still earlyish reads and I don't agree with them, they have decent substance considering the current stage of the game. And his saltyness from Monkey Island has been not overt but detectable, and consequently I'm leaning towards not fabricated. His fire seems genuine to me.

And then I caught some linki with Golden and Sloonei I want to read after I post this.

And like I said to Golden, I feel like I need to ISO Jay to figure out what's going on with the dissonance between my brain and my gut.

I also would like to put Sloonei as a town read, but I need to see something more from him that's not JJJ-related too before I feel like I can do that. Everyone else I'm just not sure what to do with at the moment.

See you later, game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm concerned that Jay is bad. The possibility is very concerning.

Jay, what would you do with yourself if you were mafia?

Probably waste a bunch of time ISOing every player right now or something.

[Marmot]

I'm concerned that Jay is bad. The possibility is very concerning.

Jay, what would you do with yourself if you were mafia?

Probably waste a bunch of time ISOing every player right now or something.

I'm confused, isn't that what you do when you're town?

This man's unreadable!!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm confused, isn't that what you do when you're town?

This man's unreadable!!

Once in a while. Most of the time I don't get into hyper-analysis mode until a scum is dead. It's a great way to fit the profile people expect of a generic Town JJJ though when I have any reason to give a shit about that.

[Marmot]

Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.

Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Beefs with Scotty:

Spoiler: show

Hot takes

Bwt is town. Scotty is bad.

Can you elaborate?

No.

I mean, I could, but I'd rather not right now.

You are just as bad as me if you think I am bad without elaboration.

Also I haven't looked at my role card yet. I'll do that when the game actually starts.

I'm interested in why MP is the self-proclaimed Mother Theresa this game, and is getting a pass for listing off civs.

Yellow: This is less believable to me in this game than it would be in most games because it has become trendy. The relevant reference is in an ongoing game so I am not obliged to expand, but I don't accept this at face value.

Orange: He threw shade at MP, but only indirectly via challenging positive reads of MP -- positive reads that I don't think actually existed in this thread. Those who've expressed any trust in MP haven't referenced his civilian reads as the reason.

Spoiler: show

Scotty, you've gotten some heat already. What do you have to say for yourself, good sir?

Pretty typical day 1 for me

O wait it's still day 0.

Get off my back, monkeys

Meh. Getting chummy with someone he halfway claimed to suspect in the prior post while being accused by the same player. Looks rather fake.

Spoiler: show

Why did Dom answer for me? I'm actually curious as well.

I think Dom is bad.

Scotty made an actual read based on an actual thing on Day 0. Meta departure. The reason provided isn't inspiring.

Spoiler: show

Hot takes

Bwt is town. Scotty is bad.

Can you elaborate?

No.

I mean, I could, but I'd rather not right now.

You are just as bad as me if you think I am bad without elaboration.

Also I haven't looked at my role card yet. I'll do that when the game actually starts.

I'm interested in why MP is the self-proclaimed Mother Theresa this game, and is getting a pass for listing off civs.

And where are you getting that impression about me? Do you think my behavior has been suspicious? If so, what's your beef with me, man?

You made a series of posts back in 1996 (aka the first few pages of this game) where you expressed your lack of confidence in calling out people for being bad so you instead would resort to calling people good.

Anyone can call anyone good. You may be an idiot savant with calling people good correctly more often, but this isn't alignment indicative and I feel like it's an easy cop out for scum hunting.

Not to say you aren't scumhunting, but that pinged me hard.

MP pointed this out earlier. Scotty's all over the place here. The yellow text represents a caveat which absolves MP of the criticism that follows in the orange text. The orange text is assertive though. There's a "hard ping" voiced but it is disqualified by the step-back accompanying yellow text.

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Yo Boomslang, my gut says you're yucky. What is your response to that?

Two words: Tofu Boy.

Is that supposed to be directed at me?

Not at all. It's a reference to the Super Meat Boy game in which I was a civ with the win condition of getting lynched. It was the perfect role for me, because I seem to be one of the biggest shade magnets on this site. It's easy for MP to throw a gut baddie read at me on Day 0 because baddie reads always seem to stick on me :/

Linki: same

Ah gotcha



Also I like how Boom and Mp posted something about JJJ not giving enough content and the the next thing is JJJ's retelling of Walden.
Whereas Batman is the hero this city deserves but doesn't need right now, JJJ is the philosopher this thread deserves but doesn't believe right now.

I disliked Boom's entrance but his last little post has me feeling better about him.

Scotty opened with an accusation of me, but it's not something he really pursued with much fervor. This above post represents the only example of follow-up, and it's a typical Scotty metaphor which doesn't say anything.

Spoiler: show

Hot takes

Bwt is town. Scotty is bad.

Golden, are you planning on elaborating on this anytime soon?

He's waiting for me to check my BTSC chat so he can yell at me for not opening my role card before posting

WIFOM

[Sloonei]

My true beef was with those two posts I highlighted in my follow-up post. As it was Day 0, I was mostly just trying to fling poo and put content in the thread. I did not put a whole lot of thought into the way I presented my case, I was just concerned with calling attention to a pattern I thought I was picking up on in your posts. In a lot of your Day 0 posts it appeared to me like you were tiptoeing around and trying not to do anything that would get yourself caught in any traps. Maybe this is just a product of an unusually chatty Day 0, but I am accustomed to you being an aggressive poo-flinger out of the gate.

I've said that I was restraining my tendency to fling copious amounts of poo because I didn't want to blow up the thread. That can be believed or not. It's a mindset I have adopted on a few Day 0s in recent memory.

My belief in this statement is complicated by the fact that my suspicion hinges on a post where you claim to be acting purely in the name of poo flinging on Day 0.

MP calls you out for what he perceives as a softball question and your response is "Yeah I guess. Or...". I concede that the explanation contained in that "or..." is a valid approach on Day 0/1, but I get the vibe that it came more from a defensive place than an honest one. On top of that, I think this post of yours lends some additional credibility to MP's accusation against you. There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of resistance here. You prodded him but then pulled back as soon as he responded. Day 0 or not, I like my JJJ's to be more aggressive than that.

It wasn't an assertion I had a great deal of investment in. I only threw it out there because it popped into my head. I had even asserted MP looked good in relation to his introductory PoE dialogue, my read still trended more positive than not. Aggressiveness has its purpose, but sometimes it's also pointless.

You said earlier that your "I guess" might as well be replaced by the shrug emoji, but that's exactly my point. You seem to be completely conceding whatever you had said prior to this point in the argument. As far as my suspicion is concerned, the content that comes after your first sentence is totally irrelevant. My suspicion is purely in the language you use here. "I guess I don't agree" suggests less confidence than simply "I don't agree." Town Jay has no reason to lack confidence when making the simple statement of opinion like this.

I don't understand what you're saying here. MP was basing his town read on INH on a premise that I didn't have as much faith in, and I said as much. It wasn't a qualification of something I had said before, but rather it was a response to MP's assertion. I really felt the entire conversation was eating up thread space and not making meaningful headway, at least not for me.

The rest of this response looks better and I can't pick at it without entering a tunnel, which is a bad place to be only a couple of hours into Day 1. I'm not ready to give you a town read, but I need to step back and cast a wider net now.

Others have expressed a liking to this case I've laid out (Dom, Boomslang, Golden, perhaps some others) and I'd like to hear which parts they like and what they think of this response.

[Sloonei]

Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.

Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.

What if I told you it's more of a pressure vote than anything?

[Dom]

i'd still vote jay over u rn tbh

Do you have concerns other than those we've already discussed?

no.
i'm not too pinged by anything rn which is why i haven't voted

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My true beef was with those two posts I highlighted in my follow-up post. As it was Day 0, I was mostly just trying to fling poo and put content in the thread. I did not put a whole lot of thought into the way I presented my case, I was just concerned with calling attention to a pattern I thought I was picking up on in your posts. In a lot of your Day 0 posts it appeared to me like you were tiptoeing around and trying not to do anything that would get yourself caught in any traps. Maybe this is just a product of an unusually chatty Day 0, but I am accustomed to you being an aggressive poo-flinger out of the gate.

I've said that I was restraining my tendency to fling copious amounts of poo because I didn't want to blow up the thread. That can be believed or not. It's a mindset I have adopted on a few Day 0s in recent memory.

My belief in this statement is complicated by the fact that my suspicion hinges on a post where you claim to be acting purely in the name of poo flinging on Day 0.

Yeah I flung a poo. MP was there posting a million times, I had a moment of memory, and put it in the thread. MP is scary and my momentary instinct was to say the thing -- he's very easy to trust for his involvement and it's an unwise mindset. I didn't pursue it much beyond the fling because it didn't make me feel much.

I probably could have flung more poos than just that one, but I restrained myself for the reasons I've stated. It was especially important to me to contain my Day 0 content after the POE conversation dragged on too long and filled the thread with thick posts about stuff that doesn't really matter.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

i'd still vote jay over u rn tbh

Do you have concerns other than those we've already discussed?

no.
i'm not too pinged by anything rn which is why i haven't voted

So your suspicion is primarily about the MP comment I made on Day 0? I just want to be clear.

[A Person]

ok so who is bad? raise your hand

[Sloonei]

This feels like had-too-much-sugar-and-caffeine MP, which I haven't seen, maybe ever.

Would you say, perhaps, that he is like a dog who is so excited he is just peeing all over everything?

[Marmot]

Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.

Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.

What if I told you it's more of a pressure vote than anything?

Actions speak louder than words, and all I can hear is tour vote.

[Marmot]

Ebwop: your

[Sloonei]

Jay, can you give me a rainbow? I'd like a rainbow.

How about gun to heads? That'd be more useful to me right now.

A Person -- bad
Boomslang -- bad
LoRab -- bad
Scotty -- bad
sig -- bad

I like these baddies and my own GTH scum team might look similar right now, so that's good. Boomslang has given me a couple of pings, and nothing about LoRab's small sample of posts has carried over those Super Strong Town vibes that just radiated from everything she did in Mad Max. Scotty has had a fair amount of suspicion brought against him which I am intrigued by. A Person hasn't said a whole lot and I can pick up some lurker scum vibes in there. sig's done nothing to catch my eye, though.

[Sloonei]

Marmot: right now I am arguably under the most pressure in the thread. I would assert that this alone is reason to doubt that your vote is truly just a random goofball "I'll follow Sloonei" maneuver.

Couple it with the fact that it was you he voted for, and you have my entire reason right there.

What if I told you it's more of a pressure vote than anything?

Actions speak louder than words, and all I can hear is tour vote.

So you don't care at all about my case against him?