GY!BE Mafia [E.N.D.]

[sig]

I have a few I'd look at but with less then 13 minutes until the poll closes there isn't a huge point in pursing them to much is there?

A quick skim, I find MM's votes to be eyebrow raising he goes from Timmer to Boom to Epi to Boom. This is odd, he also provides no reason for his Epi vote.

Also the Vomp kill was very odd? It makes very little sense why he was killed.

[Tangrowth]

Looking at Scotty's ISO again I am reminded why I felt moderately confident in suspecting him.

- His d1 vote was unsubstantiated nonsense and his d2 vote is unsubstantiated nonsense after throwing shade at Dom, BWT, etc. on d1.
- Despite his subsequent elaboration I do think he was making a federal case out of my POE and high posty behavior early in the game.
etc.

That's a quick and dirty why Scotty is worth looking at again. I'll try to produce some actual ISOs (and will certainly cover Scotty) when I get time, but it won't be quick enough for this EoD obviously.

[Tangrowth]

What if, e.g., Sunshine + Gasoline's secret is that night powers targeting one will affect both of them?

Or if something in Mladic role (I believe he is probably the mafia insanifier) says "if you target one of a btsc pair it affects both of them" or something along those lines?

Possible.

[triceratopzeuhl]

what does ISO stand for?

[Golden]

What if, e.g., Sunshine + Gasoline's secret is that night powers targeting one will affect both of them?

Or if something in Mladic role (I believe he is probably the mafia insanifier) says "if you target one of a btsc pair it affects both of them" or something along those lines?

Possible.

I will let you down

[Tangrowth]

I have a few I'd look at but with less then 13 minutes until the poll closes there isn't a huge point in pursing them to much is there?

A quick skim, I find MM's votes to be eyebrow raising he goes from Timmer to Boom to Epi to Boom. This is odd, he also provides no reason for his Epi vote.

Also the Vomp kill was very odd? It makes very little sense why he was killed.

What are you talking about? Regardless of how much time remains, surely you can take 1 minute to type the name of someone you suspect and why? Instead you evaded my request.

What do you mean it makes little sense? Vompatti was an untraceable, chaos kill. It's an uncommon NK strategy, but one that makes enough sense for a Night 1 kill. Why is this speculation more pertinent than who you suspect?

[triceratopzeuhl]

What if, e.g., Sunshine + Gasoline's secret is that night powers targeting one will affect both of them?

Or if something in Mladic role (I believe he is probably the mafia insanifier) says "if you target one of a btsc pair it affects both of them" or something along those lines?

Possible.

Here's why I bring it up, before anybody asks:

-JJJ and golden both seem good to me

-that means if there is a civ insanifier role they maybe used their power irresponsibly last night, BUT the alternate possibility exists that there is no civ who can insanify

-I believe if Mladic's role was simply "can insanify 1 player each night" then it would be listed visibly like Storm's silence, so it must be more complicated than that

[Tangrowth]

what does ISO stand for?

Sorry, I saw this when catching up but forgot about it.

ISO stands for isolation; it means to look at and analyze someone's posts out of thread context (by clicking "In Topic" under their username/avatar and viewing the posts in isolation). I'll try to retain my rediscovered motivation to solve this game and conduct some detailed ISO analyses later so you'll see what I mean.

[Marmot]

Wow, I missed a lot in a mere 1-2 hours.

What's the scoop?

[Tangrowth]

What if, e.g., Sunshine + Gasoline's secret is that night powers targeting one will affect both of them?

Or if something in Mladic role (I believe he is probably the mafia insanifier) says "if you target one of a btsc pair it affects both of them" or something along those lines?

Possible.

Here's why I bring it up, before anybody asks:

-JJJ and golden both seem good to me

-that means if there is a civ insanifier role they maybe used their power irresponsibly last night, BUT the alternate possibility exists that there is no civ who can insanify

-I believe if Mladic's role was simply "can insanify 1 player each night" then it would be listed visibly like Storm's silence, so it must be more complicated than that

I could see it being due to two distinct insanifiers or connected roles, but not BTSC roles. Golden said outright "I don't suspect Jay" in the early portion of the game; I cannot see a Golden having BTSC with Jay saying that.

[Tangrowth]

Wow, I missed a lot in a mere 1-2 hours.

What's the scoop?

I've killed Rainbow Raider MP.

[Tangrowth]

I guess I'll move my vote to Wilgy now because I think he's a potentially solid lead (I would call him a weak or moderate mafia read I suppose) and to avoid any vote shenanigans.

[sig]

What I'm talking about is simple? I can ISO people in this amount of time and do a quick skim sure, but it isn't like I'm going to have the time to build a proper case. Therefore at this stage it makes more sense for me to review the preexisting cases and if I feel one is very wrong vote against it. Besides I generally strongly dislike CFDs and I'd be trying to make one if I built a case at this point.

This is my fault I thought I had another 24 hours left in this phase, so I did goof here.

[triceratopzeuhl]

Wow, I missed a lot in a mere 1-2 hours.

What's the scoop?

Well there's 4 minutes and it seems drwilgy will be the lynch target, due to a few reasons that make sense to me (I haven't changed my vote (yet?) but I think wilgy might flip mafia)

linki alex - fair, I didn't remember that. I'm probably way off on the mechanics but am running with the idea that mladic is responsible for both insanifications today regardless

[sig]

Also moving over to boom I don't like the case on Wilgy or Mp's last minute switch

[Marmot]

Wow, I missed a lot in a mere 1-2 hours.

What's the scoop?

I've killed Rainbow Raider MP.

Fuckin' A man.

Wanna lynch Boomslang?

[triceratopzeuhl]

lol at that 2 line post taking 3 minutes to write because of all the linki

[Tangrowth]

What I'm talking about is simple? I can ISO people in this amount of time and do a quick skim sure, but it isn't like I'm going to have the time to build a proper case. Therefore at this stage it makes more sense for me to review the preexisting cases and if I feel one is very wrong vote against it. Besides I generally strongly dislike CFDs and I'd be trying to make one if I built a case at this point.

This is my fault I thought I had another 24 hours left in this phase, so I did goof here.

I'm not asking for a case.

I'm asking for one person you suspect. That's it.

You came in and said you don't jive with any of the three major cases. Then who do you suspect?

[Epignosis]

Also moving over to boom I don't like the case on Wilgy or Mp's last minute switch

But...You Don't See the Case on Boomslang............................Your Words

[Tangrowth]

Wow, I missed a lot in a mere 1-2 hours.

What's the scoop?

I've killed Rainbow Raider MP.

Fuckin' A man.

Wanna lynch Boomslang?

Not particularly.

[Tangrowth]

Also moving over to boom I don't like the case on Wilgy or Mp's last minute switch

But...You Don't See the Case on Boomslang............................Your Words

That's my point.

CFD sig

[Marmot]

Well that's that. We tried baby boomers!

I'll be back on later.

[Golden]

Also moving over to boom I don't like the case on Wilgy or Mp's last minute switch

Crown of shit

[Tangrowth]

sig cannot even name one person he finds suspicious despite me asking him twice now. I find that incredibly suspicious.

sig is bad.

[sig]

So quick thing before the phase ends, MP trying to turn it over to Scotty is odd, I don't know if this was an attempt at anything or not, but I disliked it.

linki: Ah okay so off the top of my head I suspect and plan to look into MM, Dom, and Scotty. I also kind off suspect you and Epi, but that is mainly tinfoiling I think.

I don't see the case on Boom, but I think the case on Boom is better then voting wilgy since Sloonie was silenced and since he voted for Epi?

[triceratopzeuhl]

Also moving over to boom I don't like the case on Wilgy or Mp's last minute switch

But...You Don't See the Case on Boomslang............................Your Words

what he actually said was that he didn't agree with the case on boomslang, OR the case on wilgy, OR the case on a person (if I read right)

anyway barring Piss Crowns or other poll meddling, looks like wilgy is the lynch target, have to cross our fingers and wait for host post now

[Tangrowth]

So quick thing before the phase ends, MP trying to turn it over to Scotty is odd, I don't know if this was an attempt at anything or not, but I disliked it.

linki: Ah okay so off the top of my head I suspect and plan to look into MM, Dom, and Scotty. I also kind off suspect you and Epi, but that is mainly tinfoiling I think.

I don't see the case on Boom, but I think the case on Boom is better then voting wilgy since Sloonie was silenced and since he voted for Epi?

Why didn't you say this when I asked you then? And why didn't you try to join me on Scotty when I moved there? There were 2 votes on him and only 4 on Wilgy. We could have potentially lynched Scotty if you really lynch him.

So why the hell didn't you say anything?

[sig]

sig cannot even name one person he finds suspicious despite me asking him twice now. I find that incredibly suspicious.

sig is bad.

Are you going to give me time to post at all? I've been away since night 1 and missed the last phase, however I've named people I was suspicious of in the past and just did in my above post. The whole Wilgy lynch is based off of nothing at least there is kind off a case agaisnt Boom. Lynching someone since a person who expressed interest in them was silenced isn't a good reason.

linki: I don't like to do CDF and I don't trust you enough to follow a CDF you try to make.

[Tangrowth]

So quick thing before the phase ends, MP trying to turn it over to Scotty is odd, I don't know if this was an attempt at anything or not, but I disliked it.

linki: Ah okay so off the top of my head I suspect and plan to look into MM, Dom, and Scotty. I also kind off suspect you and Epi, but that is mainly tinfoiling I think.

I don't see the case on Boom, but I think the case on Boom is better then voting wilgy since Sloonie was silenced and since he voted for Epi?

Why didn't you say this when I asked you then? And why didn't you try to join me on Scotty when I moved there? There were 2 votes on him and only 4 on Wilgy. We could have potentially lynched Scotty if you really lynch him.

So why the hell didn't you say anything?

wait what was I trying to say here?

I guess I was trying to say if you declared an intent to lynch him.

[sig]

In fact I'd think my views on CDFs as a civ is commonly known seeing how I spent five or so phases in Turf War fighting off getting lynched since I was agaisnt a CDF which resulted in a mafia member being lynched.

[Tangrowth]

sig cannot even name one person he finds suspicious despite me asking him twice now. I find that incredibly suspicious.

sig is bad.

Are you going to give me time to post at all? I've been away since night 1 and missed the last phase, however I've named people I was suspicious of in the past and just did in my above post. The whole Wilgy lynch is based off of nothing at least there is kind off a case agaisnt Boom. Lynching someone since a person who expressed interest in them was silenced isn't a good reason.

linki: I don't like to do CDF and I don't trust you enough to follow a CDF you try to make.

I'm not the one putting time restrictions on you to post. You had 48 hours to post. You then waited until the very end of Day 2 to talk about how much you don't like the three main lynchwagons which didn't even have more than 4 votes on them, and it took you my excessive prodding of trying to get you to talk about suspects for you to name them.

[Ricochet]

Day 2: Like a Disease, He Comes to Me. Like a Disease, I Went to Him. (Antibacterial)

Spoiler: show

[Sloonei]

So quick thing before the phase ends, MP trying to turn it over to Scotty is odd, I don't know if this was an attempt at anything or not, but I disliked it.

linki: Ah okay so off the top of my head I suspect and plan to look into MM, Dom, and Scotty. I also kind off suspect you and Epi, but that is mainly tinfoiling I think.

I don't see the case on Boom, but I think the case on Boom is better then voting wilgy since Sloonie was silenced and since he voted for Epi?

You suspect Scotty, but also suspect MP for suspecting Scotty?

[Tangrowth]

Well, that sucks. RIP Wilgy.

It'll be nice to hear from Golden, Sloonei, and JJJ now that they can talk normally.

It'll also be nice to hear from the players that aren't saying enough. Looking at you, AP.

[triceratopzeuhl]

RIP, looks like I've got some re-evaluating to do

welcome back sloonei, anything you really wanted to say during that day phase?

[Sloonei]

I probably would have been on the Wilgy train, but I am also compelled by what I've seen said about Boomslang. I do not get his thought process RE: timmer, and I've still seen nothing from timmer that merits serious suspicion.

[triceratopzeuhl]

love the host recording though

[Marmot]

Checking in to see the result.

Ok, now bye.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Meh.

I have to run for a little while; I'm hanging out with local chums. I'll try to puke up the commentary I wasn't able to supply with clarity on Day 2 later tonight and go from there.

[Sloonei]

RIP, looks like I've got some re-evaluating to do

welcome back sloonei, anything you really wanted to say during that day phase?

The pair of curses were alarming. That would imply there are three conversation-debilitating roles in the game, and all three were used against top posters from Day 1, with MP left as the lone Talky left to talk. I have a hard time believing all three scum roles can do that, and it doesn't seem like our indie has that ability either. I toyed with the idea that one of them was faking it, but I find it more likely that a townie has that ability and they either targeted Golden or Jay to slow the thread down, or it's a passive ability and they were targeted by Golden/Jay.

I'll rescind my previous stated reason for reading Epi as town since he's doing more to contribute now. This is not the same as saying I suspect him.

[Sloonei]

I'm going to Coney Island. Come at me, Sleep!

[Tangrowth]

It's clear that I need to keep my emotions out of this game as much as possible. I'll be ISOing folks late tonight.

[Golden]

Thank goodness I can talk normally again.

1) Epi just played PoE very well. I don't know why people (eg Dom) would say he is showing its flaws. It also paints his comment about MP from day one in another light. He is giving legitimate reasons for people to be town, and they are legitimately good reasons, they aren't just crap, and epi was suspicious of MP saying he was playing a PoE strategy but not taking his 'reason why inh is town' on board. I voted for epi briefly because I didn't like what felt like a complete lack of effort to try to engage with me or understand me (that continued throughout). But, epi is now probably my strongest town read when all is said and done. He warded me off voting AP and boomslang because, he was right, they didn't belong in a "PoE" because there were legitimately good reasons why their behaviour didn't mesh with what is bad.

2) I think Epi is wrong about MP, though. But also a little disappointed MP made no real effort to understand or engage me. The only person who did was scotty. He gave me an in to be a little understood, and yet still people essentially ignored and chose not to engage with me. I think that looks real good on scotty.

3) I also think that epi's reasoning for AP is ok, but not a slam dunk. Trice said it well. There are three baddies, and the idea that APs voice would decide who was killed doesn't mesh for me. In fact, killing vomps and then moaning about load players is a good way to 'clear yourself'.

4) I don't believe Jay was faking. But I don't know for sure. I would never 'fake a curse', and I don't believe Jay would either. FAR too restrictive for such high posters. MP isn't a good barometer for what high posters would bring on themselves, because he's a suicidal moron. I always screw up curses, and so have to suffer the consequences. If I was bad and had the ability to curse someone within the time, I might consider REALLY cursing myself or someone in my team though. And I think town cursers are entirely possible. I don't assume that Jay is good just because he was cursed. But I very much doubt the curse was fake.

5) @boom - I do not feel like I've taken any heat (the rants weren't people trying to vote for me, just bitching about me generally), but thanks for explaining what you meant - it checks out for me.

[Sloonei]

Thank goodness I can talk normally again.

1) Epi just played PoE very well. I don't know why people (eg Dom) would say he is showing its flaws. It also paints his comment about MP from day one in another light. He is giving legitimate reasons for people to be town, and they are legitimately good reasons, they aren't just crap, and epi was suspicious of MP saying he was playing a PoE strategy but not taking his 'reason why inh is town' on board. I voted for epi briefly because I didn't like what felt like a complete lack of effort to try to engage with me or understand me (that continued throughout). But, epi is now probably my strongest town read when all is said and done. He warded me off voting AP and boomslang because, he was right, they didn't belong in a "PoE" because there were legitimately good reasons why their behaviour didn't mesh with what is bad.

I admittedly did not keep up with everything on Day 2 (not being able to post caused my attention to slide around ), but this looks like an excellent couple of points, the highlighted portion in particular.

[sig]

So quick thing before the phase ends, MP trying to turn it over to Scotty is odd, I don't know if this was an attempt at anything or not, but I disliked it.

linki: Ah okay so off the top of my head I suspect and plan to look into MM, Dom, and Scotty. I also kind off suspect you and Epi, but that is mainly tinfoiling I think.

I don't see the case on Boom, but I think the case on Boom is better then voting wilgy since Sloonie was silenced and since he voted for Epi?

You suspect Scotty, but also suspect MP for suspecting Scotty?

Yes I don't think they're on the same team, but I do suspect them both. So I'd be looking at two worlds in this scenario one where Scotty is bad the other would be MP.

[Tangrowth]

Thank goodness I can talk normally again.

1) Epi just played PoE very well. I don't know why people (eg Dom) would say he is showing its flaws. It also paints his comment about MP from day one in another light. He is giving legitimate reasons for people to be town, and they are legitimately good reasons, they aren't just crap, and epi was suspicious of MP saying he was playing a PoE strategy but not taking his 'reason why inh is town' on board. I voted for epi briefly because I didn't like what felt like a complete lack of effort to try to engage with me or understand me (that continued throughout). But, epi is now probably my strongest town read when all is said and done. He warded me off voting AP and boomslang because, he was right, they didn't belong in a "PoE" because there were legitimately good reasons why their behaviour didn't mesh with what is bad.

2) I think Epi is wrong about MP, though. But also a little disappointed MP made no real effort to understand or engage me. The only person who did was scotty. He gave me an in to be a little understood, and yet still people essentially ignored and chose not to engage with me. I think that looks real good on scotty.

3) I also think that epi's reasoning for AP is ok, but not a slam dunk. Trice said it well. There are three baddies, and the idea that APs voice would decide who was killed doesn't mesh for me. In fact, killing vomps and then moaning about load players is a good way to 'clear yourself'.

4) I don't believe Jay was faking. But I don't know for sure. I would never 'fake a curse', and I don't believe Jay would either. FAR too restrictive for such high posters. MP isn't a good barometer for what high posters would bring on themselves, because he's a suicidal moron. I always screw up curses, and so have to suffer the consequences. If I was bad and had the ability to curse someone within the time, I might consider REALLY cursing myself or someone in my team though. And I think town cursers are entirely possible. I don't assume that Jay is good just because he was cursed. But I very much doubt the curse was fake.

5) @boom - I do not feel like I've taken any heat (the rants weren't people trying to vote for me, just bitching about me generally), but thanks for explaining what you meant - it checks out for me.

I am a suicidal moron at heart, no matter how much I try to avoid it, apparently.

I'm sorry I didn't try to interact with you more, but I'm dense and I had a really hard time trying to figure out what you were saying, even if you were slightly easier to understand than JJJ.

[Sloonei]

So quick thing before the phase ends, MP trying to turn it over to Scotty is odd, I don't know if this was an attempt at anything or not, but I disliked it.

linki: Ah okay so off the top of my head I suspect and plan to look into MM, Dom, and Scotty. I also kind off suspect you and Epi, but that is mainly tinfoiling I think.

I don't see the case on Boom, but I think the case on Boom is better then voting wilgy since Sloonie was silenced and since he voted for Epi?

You suspect Scotty, but also suspect MP for suspecting Scotty?

Yes I don't think they're on the same team, but I do suspect them both. So I'd be looking at two worlds in this scenario one where Scotty is bad the other would be MP.

I am interested in hearing more specific thoughts on them when you have the time.

[Ricochet]

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Disclaimer: I thought I had saved the thread poll, but it seems it might have gone to poop. So this handmade poll is subject to errors, idk.

[Tangrowth]

I also agree with you Golden that Epi is townPOEing it up and that Jay didn't fake the curse. Jay has demonstrated to me before that he can impressively fake tons of townie-seeming content when bad, and as the Day progressed, it became evident that his curse was way too complicated and restrictive for some kind of baddie chaos plan.

Epi and I are probably the only players in this roster that would fake it.

[triceratopzeuhl]

or it's a passive ability and they were targeted by Golden/Jay.

I hadn't thought of that, could be.

Speaking of epignosis, he seemed strongly against lynching either A Person or boomslang, and then ended up voting for a civ. This means either his judgments haven't been as sound as some of us have assumed, or that it was actively malicious (I'm sure his response will be "why would a mafia member draw attention to themselves like that" since he's said it about 5 times this game)

epi also seems to assume everybody is playing this game "straight" (no risky bluffing) even though MP explicitly said he has done those kinds of bluffs before, and I'm certain he's not the only one. I'm not sure in a game with only 3 mafia members whether it would be more or less likely for that kind of bluffing. Depending on who the mafia is and if they think their odds aren't as good as the civs they could go for some high risk play. I don't think any of the 3 curses were fakes though, just bouncing ideas.

I still want to know why boomslang voted for timmer, as the theory I posted before is the only sound reasoning I've come up with.