A Mafia of Unfortunate Events [END GAME]

[Elohcin]

And did we lynch sprit? And if so, was he bad? If not, who did we lynch? Were they bad? Who was killed Night 1? Was it more than one person? There are two baddie teams, I believe. And...it's now Day 2, right?

Yes. No. N/A. N/A. Scotty. No.

Thank you for being so kind to answer my questions.

I am now wondering why Sprit is still on the poll. Sub in?

[Epignosis]

I don't know what this means.

Yeah, I was hoping he'd clarify right away.

Gun to Head, I think he's saying you're too simple to come up with those ideas on your own, and implying that you have BTSC.

I'd really rather Epi explain further.

Quite the opposite.

I didn't do much anyway, but now I'll definitely be phone posting while we do Christmas things.

I voted for DDL. I think he's bad.

Spoiler: show

And with that, I'm gonna vote LC in order to attempt to put another option in the table.

Despite voting for you first time round I have good feelings about you. I won't be voting for you this time.

Spoiler: show

What's the advantage of random voting at all?

If you're not the determiner, you might as well not vote.

If you are the determiner....you want to determine who should die randomly?

Not voting as any kind of deliberate choice is very much frowned upon in our history.

Having said that, I generally agree that any slight read is better than randomising.

I'm not convinced it was entirely random, though. Perhaps random within a pool, or perhaps not random at all.

linki - what kind of cookie?

It wasn't entirely random i confess. It was a straight choice between DDL and Jack. The two guys who wanted me lynched. I chose DDL because I read somewhere that he was more likely bad.
I was tired, I needed to go to bed and I had to vote. Plus I wanted to give a nod to Vompatti's playstyle as I had done DrWilgy earlier.

And if he's bad, Snow Dog is his teammate.

This business is too obvious for Quin's sophistication.

I don't know what this means.

It means those two posts you pulled linking Snow Dog to DDL are what we might expect from two people who are brand new to mafia, tried to distance Day 1, and really suck at it (i.e., obvious). I would not call Snow Dog bad just because DDL is or vice versa.

I think a civilian Quin would be looking deeper than that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm behind. Whatever.

What's the advantage of random voting at all?

If you're not the determiner, you might as well not vote.

If you are the determiner....you want to determine who should die randomly?

Not voting as any kind of deliberate choice is very much frowned upon in our history.

Having said that, I generally agree that any slight read is better than randomising.

I'm not convinced it was entirely random, though. Perhaps random within a pool, or perhaps not random at all.

linki - what kind of cookie?

It wasn't entirely random i confess. It was a straight choice between DDL and Jack. The two guys who wanted me lynched. I chose DDL because I read somewhere that he was more likely bad.
I was tired, I needed to go to bed and I had to vote. Plus I wanted to give a nod to Vompatti's playstyle as I had done DrWilgy earlier.

Man, I hate this post. Like OMGUS at best. Something worse, more likely.

And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.

Feeling I should have been harsher on Snow.

Not sure why DDL saying that Golden is a civ sets off your buddying sense for him and not others, especially when others have managed to be more persistent, loud, colorful, or kissassy with their civ reads.

I like this post, even though I disagree. Liking Nacho in general. We can kill the whale and escape together.

To those who voted Sprityo last time around: Why did you vote for him instead of soup?

Time was running out. There were ~4 players lynchable strictly for low participation. Scotty and LC were on Spirityo. DDL had gathered some votes but I disagreed with his lynch. Sonji had one or two and I disagreed with his lynch but not strongly. So I had decided a low poster was best to go and Spirityo was about the only one available. I didn't like getting lead by Scotty and LC so I threw out a random nonparticipany as an alternative and was okay with how Scotty reacted, though I guess the bar was pretty low.

So at the end, I voted Spirityo.

I didn't do much anyway, but now I'll definitely be phone posting while we do Christmas things.

I voted for DDL. I think he's bad.

Spoiler: show

And with that, I'm gonna vote LC in order to attempt to put another option in the table.

Despite voting for you first time round I have good feelings about you. I won't be voting for you this time.

Spoiler: show

What's the advantage of random voting at all?

If you're not the determiner, you might as well not vote.

If you are the determiner....you want to determine who should die randomly?

Not voting as any kind of deliberate choice is very much frowned upon in our history.

Having said that, I generally agree that any slight read is better than randomising.

I'm not convinced it was entirely random, though. Perhaps random within a pool, or perhaps not random at all.

linki - what kind of cookie?

It wasn't entirely random i confess. It was a straight choice between DDL and Jack. The two guys who wanted me lynched. I chose DDL because I read somewhere that he was more likely bad.
I was tired, I needed to go to bed and I had to vote. Plus I wanted to give a nod to Vompatti's playstyle as I had done DrWilgy earlier.

And if he's bad, Snow Dog is his teammate.

I don't get it. And this is supposedly too obvious for a great player like Quin, yeah?

Feeling stupid/drunk.

Halp.

[sprityo]

Not to be a special snowflake, but to rehash some things for players who I haven't played with really, my name is spelled S P R I T Y O. But feel free to say Sprit for short (sorry I had just noticed an increased number of the instance of spirit which is NOT the correct root word

[Epignosis]

And did we lynch sprit? And if so, was he bad? If not, who did we lynch? Were they bad? Who was killed Night 1? Was it more than one person? There are two baddie teams, I believe. And...it's now Day 2, right?

Yes. No. N/A. N/A. Scotty. No.

Thank you for being so kind to answer my questions.

I am now wondering why Sprit is still on the poll. Sub in?

God help us.

[Epignosis]

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I definitely didn't take offence to it I figured it was some meta analysis of some kind. Although, I thought meta was bullshit, Epi?

That aside, I disagree with him. I don't think I should be described as some sophisticated person who ignores the obvious in favour of the subtleties. I just call them as I see them. I just so happen to think those posts are potential teammate interactions.

Calling someone a smart or good player isn't "meta." I'm saying I believe you are disingenuous in your findings.

[Quin]

I don't know what this means.

Yeah, I was hoping he'd clarify right away.

Gun to Head, I think he's saying you're too simple to come up with those ideas on your own, and implying that you have BTSC.

I'd really rather Epi explain further.

Quite the opposite.

I didn't do much anyway, but now I'll definitely be phone posting while we do Christmas things.

I voted for DDL. I think he's bad.

Spoiler: show

And with that, I'm gonna vote LC in order to attempt to put another option in the table.

Despite voting for you first time round I have good feelings about you. I won't be voting for you this time.

Spoiler: show

What's the advantage of random voting at all?

If you're not the determiner, you might as well not vote.

If you are the determiner....you want to determine who should die randomly?

Not voting as any kind of deliberate choice is very much frowned upon in our history.

Having said that, I generally agree that any slight read is better than randomising.

I'm not convinced it was entirely random, though. Perhaps random within a pool, or perhaps not random at all.

linki - what kind of cookie?

It wasn't entirely random i confess. It was a straight choice between DDL and Jack. The two guys who wanted me lynched. I chose DDL because I read somewhere that he was more likely bad.
I was tired, I needed to go to bed and I had to vote. Plus I wanted to give a nod to Vompatti's playstyle as I had done DrWilgy earlier.

And if he's bad, Snow Dog is his teammate.

This business is too obvious for Quin's sophistication.

I don't know what this means.

It means those two posts you pulled linking Snow Dog to DDL are what we might expect from two people who are brand new to mafia, tried to distance Day 1, and really suck at it (i.e., obvious). I would not call Snow Dog bad just because DDL is or vice versa.

I think a civilian Quin would be looking deeper than that.

A civilian Quin was being dragged off for Christmas celebrations and wanted to bring attention to something he picked up on before he did. I may have been too conclusive in my opinion for your liking, it was just a matter of not having the time to give the typical spiel. Not that it means much to you now, but I'd change my conclusion to 'I think Snow Dog is a potential candidate for being Luffy's teammate if he flips bad.

Whether someone is new to mafia or not doesn't really factor in for me. A bad Snow Dog could very well have made those posts without considering their later implications. It happens. I've done it.

[Epignosis]

It's just that, rather than make an allowance for Snow Dog being a civilian who, you know, changed his mind about someone, he became a lock for DDL's team. That's a bit much.

I understand the hastiness with which you may have made that post given the holiday season, but that's still a post I have to make a judgment call about, and bad guys celebrating Christmas may more easily make bad posts that expose them.

[Quin]

It's just that, rather than make an allowance for Snow Dog being a civilian who, you know, changed his mind about someone, he became a lock for DDL's team. That's a bit much.

I understand the hastiness with which you may have made that post given the holiday season, but that's still a post I have to make a judgment call about, and bad guys celebrating Christmas may more easily make bad posts that expose them.

Fair enough. Good thing I'm agnostic

[Long Con]

And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.

How does that work?

[Epignosis]

I like that it's Day 2 and I already have a decent number of people on the Nice list.

I need to work on my Naughty list.

Long Con, your name is on one of these lists.

[Long Con]

And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.

How does that work?

And I realize that you probably meant "love" and not "live", that's fine... I mean how does Snow Dog's vote reasoning justify your town read of DDL?

Do you mean that Snow Dog is so obviously wrong in his assessment that DDL must be the opposite of what he said?

[Long Con]

I like that it's Day 2 and I already have a decent number of people on the Nice list.

I need to work on my Naughty list.

Long Con, your name is on one of these lists.

It's nice to be remembered on the holidays.

[Epignosis]

The only person with more than one vote I'm even entertaining voting for right now is sprityo. I am considering a vote for Quin, or any of the four people voting sig or Long Con.

[Long Con]

Roughly 5 hours left in the lynch.

[Long Con]

And with that in mind, I'm voting DDL. I don't see me changing my mind before the lynch is up.

[Epignosis]

Now there are two people with two votes I am considering.

[Long Con]

I should put my vote-style where my mouth is:

*votes Dragon D Luffy*

[Elohcin]

I like that it's Day 2 and I already have a decent number of people on the Nice list.

I need to work on my Naughty list.

Long Con, your name is on one of these lists.

Do you mind sharing your naughty and nice lists?

@LC, why do you think DDL is bad?

[Epignosis]

I like that it's Day 2 and I already have a decent number of people on the Nice list.

I need to work on my Naughty list.

Long Con, your name is on one of these lists.

Do you mind sharing your naughty and nice lists?

@LC, why do you think DDL is bad?

I'm not saying right now. The last time I told everybody who the civilians were, nobody listened and lynched or killed them all.

[Jackofhearts2005]

And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.

How does that work?

And I realize that you probably meant "love" and not "live", that's fine... I mean how does Snow Dog's vote reasoning justify your town read of DDL?

Do you mean that Snow Dog is so obviously wrong in his assessment that DDL must be the opposite of what he said?

More like Snow Dog's posts seem scummy. Willful OMGUS or uncooperativeness.

If Snow Dog is a wolf and is against DDL, my town read of DDL based on other things looks better.

But Quin says DDL and Snow Dog are mafia together?

Do you agree with that assessment, LC? Assume DDL flips town. What's your gut read of Snow. What if DDL flips mafia?

I get your argument against DDL and I also get the defense of "but DDL isn't in LC's head and wastnt trying to misrepresent." My general thought is not to vote for either of you because neither argument against the other is that convincing but I'm willing to listen to a restatement/rebuke of arguments if you want to be more convincing.

Thoughts on all open trains in a bit after I put the little one to bed.

I like that it's Day 2 and I already have a decent number of people on the Nice list.

I need to work on my Naughty list.

Long Con, your name is on one of these lists.

Presumably nice cause why else bring it up without voting for LC?

Why the nice list?




Having more trouble than I expected with meta. Sig/Spiritwo and LC/DDL and even Snow/Zebra/Son/DDL/Golden are all things I feel I could evaluate better knowing the meta better.

I think Sig is reaching with the replacement scum tell thing. Once does not a pattern make. That said, teaching isn't inherently wrong or scummy if you're not misreported.

Chaos Marmot is awfully passive for his nickname. Not more than everyone else. I just see more chaos out of Snow Dog.

[Jackofhearts2005]

*reaching not teaching

Eaap or whatever

[Jackofhearts2005]

*misrepresenting not misreported

Good God.

[sig]

Glorf has only been mafia three times, once he replaced out (Star Wars) once was Mad Max (refused to lie/claim alignment) third time is UEM, this one, (where he refused to claim alignment and subbed out)

I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

[sig]

Also this is to my knowledge he might have been mafia once or twice on another site that neither of us played on, but I never recall that happening or him mentioning it.

[Quin]

And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.

How does that work?

And I realize that you probably meant "love" and not "live", that's fine... I mean how does Snow Dog's vote reasoning justify your town read of DDL?

Do you mean that Snow Dog is so obviously wrong in his assessment that DDL must be the opposite of what he said?

More like Snow Dog's posts seem scummy. Willful OMGUS or uncooperativeness.

If Snow Dog is a wolf and is against DDL, my town read of DDL based on other things looks better.

But Quin says DDL and Snow Dog are mafia together?

In those two posts, I see a situation where Snow Dog intended to start a wagon on a teammate but didn't anticipate that they'd receive so many votes. The later post just felt like damage control.

[Snow Dog]

And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.

How does that work?

And I realize that you probably meant "love" and not "live", that's fine... I mean how does Snow Dog's vote reasoning justify your town read of DDL?

Do you mean that Snow Dog is so obviously wrong in his assessment that DDL must be the opposite of what he said?

More like Snow Dog's posts seem scummy. Willful OMGUS or uncooperativeness.

If Snow Dog is a wolf and is against DDL, my town read of DDL based on other things looks better.

But Quin says DDL and Snow Dog are mafia together?

This is all utter bollocks.

In those two posts, I see a situation where Snow Dog intended to start a wagon on a teammate but didn't anticipate that they'd receive so many votes. The later post just felt like damage control.

[Snow Dog]

damn that went wroing

[Snow Dog]

Quin your theory is bullshit,

[Quin]

And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.

How does that work?

And I realize that you probably meant "love" and not "live", that's fine... I mean how does Snow Dog's vote reasoning justify your town read of DDL?

Do you mean that Snow Dog is so obviously wrong in his assessment that DDL must be the opposite of what he said?

More like Snow Dog's posts seem scummy. Willful OMGUS or uncooperativeness.

If Snow Dog is a wolf and is against DDL, my town read of DDL based on other things looks better.

But Quin says DDL and Snow Dog are mafia together?

This is all utter bollocks.

In those two posts, I see a situation where Snow Dog intended to start a wagon on a teammate but didn't anticipate that they'd receive so many votes. The later post just felt like damage control.

Tell me why it is bullocks.

[Snow Dog]

anyway its klate im tirewd and a bir ddrunk who tovote for?

[Snow Dog]

And by "hate" I mean "live" cause it justifies my town read on DDL.

How does that work?

And I realize that you probably meant "love" and not "live", that's fine... I mean how does Snow Dog's vote reasoning justify your town read of DDL?

Do you mean that Snow Dog is so obviously wrong in his assessment that DDL must be the opposite of what he said?

More like Snow Dog's posts seem scummy. Willful OMGUS or uncooperativeness.

If Snow Dog is a wolf and is against DDL, my town read of DDL based on other things looks better.

But Quin says DDL and Snow Dog are mafia together?

This is all utter bollocks.

In those two posts, I see a situation where Snow Dog intended to start a wagon on a teammate but didn't anticipate that they'd receive so many votes. The later post just felt like damage control.

Tell me why it is bullocks.

Because I am not DDl's team mate

[Quin]

Glorf has only been mafia three times, once he replaced out (Star Wars) once was Mad Max (refused to lie/claim alignment) third time is UEM, this one, (where he refused to claim alignment and subbed out)

I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

Glorf made a point in Mad Max that he won't be claiming alignment in future games, so it's not a matter of meta anymore. There are a hundred reasons as to why Glorf might have subbed out, I don't think him being bad and unable to handle the pressure is one of them.

[Snow Dog]

Anyway trhat wont convince you and I will not defend myselffurther

[Snow Dog]

I will not claim alignment eirher

[Snow Dog]

Good old Glorfindel.

[Snow Dog]

can my claimk be checjked? Do so.

[Snow Dog]

ok i need to bed so i need to vote,

[Snow Dog]

fuck knows where

[sig]

Glorf has only been mafia three times, once he replaced out (Star Wars) once was Mad Max (refused to lie/claim alignment) third time is UEM, this one, (where he refused to claim alignment and subbed out)

I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

Glorf made a point in Mad Max that he won't be claiming alignment in future games, so it's not a matter of meta anymore. There are a hundred reasons as to why Glorf might have subbed out, I don't think him being bad and unable to handle the pressure is one of them.

No he wouldn't be pressured it is that he doesn't like to lie. But, fine my wagon isn't seeming to work. Lets lynch someone else like Dom.

[Snow Dog]

I do think LC might be bad.

[Quin]

Because I am not DDl's team mate

So it's not that my theory is 'bullshit'. It's that my theory is incorrect? There's a difference.

[Quin]

Glorf has only been mafia three times, once he replaced out (Star Wars) once was Mad Max (refused to lie/claim alignment) third time is UEM, this one, (where he refused to claim alignment and subbed out)

I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

Glorf made a point in Mad Max that he won't be claiming alignment in future games, so it's not a matter of meta anymore. There are a hundred reasons as to why Glorf might have subbed out, I don't think him being bad and unable to handle the pressure is one of them.

No he wouldn't be pressured it is that he doesn't like to lie. But, fine my wagon isn't seeming to work. Lets lynch someone else like Dom.

Why do you want to lynch Dom?

[Snow Dog]

Because I am not DDl's team mate

So it's not that my theory is 'bullshit'. It's that my theory is incorrect? There's a difference.

No there isnt

[Snow Dog]

Ok Im not voting

[Jackofhearts2005]

Suuuuuper unconvinced by Snow's defense.

"Your accusation is bullshit cause it's not true and btw, I'm not gonna defend myself."

Lol okay.

Are we even allowed to alignment claim?

[Epignosis]

I like that it's Day 2 and I already have a decent number of people on the Nice list.

I need to work on my Naughty list.

Long Con, your name is on one of these lists.

Presumably nice cause why else bring it up without voting for LC?

Why the nice list?

Long Con has never fooled anyone.

[Quin]

Because I am not DDl's team mate

So it's not that my theory is 'bullshit'. It's that my theory is incorrect? There's a difference.

No there isnt

Yes there is. One is saying that my thought process is invalid and should be discredited, while the other is saying that it is not applicable.

[Epignosis]

Yay! Drunk Snowy at Christmastime. Things keep getting better and better.

[Snow Dog]

Suuuuuper unconvinced by Snow's defense.

"Your accusation is bullshit cause it's not true and btw, I'm not gonna defend myself."

Lol okay.

Are we even allowed to alignment claim?

You aint getting one from me sucker